I work at a similar UGC (user-generated content) company and can spill the beans: 1. The reason why they won't tell you what _specifically_ they are striking / demonitizing for is because they have not done a thorough review. They've likely found just one thing that got reported or flagged by automated tooling, but there could be other content they don't like in the video / channel. If they tell you that you will be fine after addressing XYZ, then the creator will address only that, and then there might still be bad content remaining on the video / channel (e.g. if someone uploads reused content, they might have a pattern of using it across many videos instead of just one). So they are intentionally vague to force the creator to self-police and audit everything that could _possibly_ be wrong. This can be useful for disingenuous actors that will deliberately do the bare minimum even though they know they still have a ton of bad content to make it difficult to moderate, but more often than not it's because the company can't be bothered to invest effort into moderation 2. The reason why "human" moderation is so fast / impossibly wrong is because every large tech company outsources moderation to sweatshop labor with no knowledge of the product / community and only template answers to compensate. If something does not fit into a template, they will try to force it into one (usually the easiest, like denying an appeal). On top of lack of domain knowledge, they are also held to unrealistically high SLAs for tickets (i.e. same as Amazon does with its delivery drivers / warehouse workers) which cannot be met without taking shortcuts. Most often these shortcuts manifest in deny deny deny since that is safest, but I regularly see sweatshop moderation let through object 18+/illegal content because they were clicking accept as fast as they could, across many companies that employ this sweatshot labor. These guys get paid next to nothing and don't care if they lose their job since there are plenty more where available. 3. Moderation on the scale of big tech is a legitimately hard problem. They can't admit that they don't have it under control though due to unreasonable parents (e.g. who accept that there are bad people in the world who will bully/abduct their kid at the public park unless they keep an eye on them, but that expect Sundar Pichai to babysit for them and prevent their 14-year-old kid from hearing even the slightest naughty word on the internet) who would freak out, advertisers freaking out over parents freaking out, or it reflecting poorly in performance review with execs. There is no reasonable solution to moderation at this scale, which is why you see all of this pie-in-the-sky AI cargo culting. It's just the latest silver bullet to distract people's attention from this being a problem without a solution. In reality, AI tooling is extremely ineffective. When compared with outsourced moderators, it's not _that_ bad, but it's a far cry from moderation that works 4. Proper moderation is expensive. Even when using outsourced moderators making pennies on the hour, I've seen companies where the sheer size of the legion of moderators needed to staff a big tech platform can be 10-20% of their overall spend, if not more (this is why companies like Crunchyroll remove the comments section or Roblox removed their user forums. Don't have to pay moderation if there isn't anything for them to moderate). Sweatshop moderators also require a lot of money spent babyproofing tooling, lest you get cases where they constantly erroneously take down public figures / key content that wasn't doing anything wrong, so you have to be meticulous in who has access to what / what requires escalation / etc in the tooling. Because there has not been a proper solution to moderation developed (#3), human moderators are a massive blunt object that gets swung at problems in naive, neanderthal brute force. 5. It is not in the best interest of investors to iterate on the quality of the platform's experience :) Do the minimum necessary to sustain the platform, and then put the actual effort into user acquisition, time spend, and money spend.
Hi, sweatshop laborer here. I'll say that this post is basically on the money. Minor quibble with the shortcuts though. It's true that some workers do let things go by clicking carelessly. The check there (with varying efficacy) is that mixed in with the content to be moderated are unidentified tests for the worker doing the moderation. Misidentifying the content too many times gets you dropped because even for the most carelessly outsourced jobs, the contract owner wants that contract to renew. As such, quality issues like false positives/negatives and careless rating are one of the metrics by which workers are judged. The availability of such jobs varies by market. That being said, unrealistic SLAs are absolutely true. Your content is getting skimmed at best, by people with guidelines that are vague, byzantine, or both. The same people moderating your content are also training the AI to moderate your content, with the same hit and miss quality. The answer to this (apart from actual moderation on a platform, heaven forbid) is basically to give a damn if you have third-party moderation. Yes, you can get it done for pennies in a nondescript international backwater. Or you can pay a bit more and aim for higher quality metrics, tools that aren't like a dull knife, and more reasonable SLAs. You get what you pay for.
@@JH-pt6ih True it's not fascism, it's blatant censorship. Fascism is for example modern day Russia. The problem is that it's not just a private company. It's a conglomerate who controls a large portion of the population it's data. By that logic you are also responsible for upholding it's security and individual rights. Google for example is a west/democratic/free sided company which became as big as it is exactly by those freedoms European and American socities offer. However these companies are using these same freedoms against whoever or whatever they think their policies violate. If you write in your policy that pink elephants are forbidden, than they have the right to act upon this if they observed such content in their systems. This logic is weak and self defending as 90% of the censored content wouldn't stand in court for violating any laws in any of the western countries... you know, things like negative comments/reviews...
@@MarkNOTW apparently you all have a very detailed imagination. They were on Google Podcast before for a year with no issue and then they shut that down and merged into YT ... NOPE!
How to make most people switch to the other "free" video presentation sites, are they really free of censorship? What conclusion can we bring out from the tik-tok satanic viral content?
I wonder if Kevin from Vsauce was even talking to a real person, or if his communication was entirely with an LLM/"AI" program. Google doesn't seem to like to bother having actual humans handle important things like this any more.
24:11 There you go. If a policy that gets adjusted for many years to this exact state - and it makes you do something - then it is not unreasonable to assume that was the goal.
Same reason why I stopped writing reviews on Google Maps and why I don't consider them as much in my decision-making as in the past. Google's (apparently general) policy on deciding and communicating what content is somehow offensive and why and not providing an ability to discuss the matter is really awful.
They're doing this with comments too. Apparently literally calling people a piece of shit is perfectly fine engagement, but using any kind of academic language or citing titles or DOIs or links to papers results in days of shadowbanning
When an entity makes a false statement to get out of paying you for your content that was published in good faith, under their terms - we have a word for it: fraud. When a lot of people are getting defrauded by an entity, we have legal recourse: class action.
Anytime I want to discuss something mildly "bad" on this platform I need to carefully reword myself such that my comment won't be memory holed. Usually this happens in more nonfiction "leadership" related discussions but it's happened to me when discussing leadership in fictional settings such as Star Wars or even clothing materials!
Just FYI, they are touchy about Lysenko because they begin with the assumption that you are conflating historical Lysenkoism with a modern protected group. A very modern and very protected group. It's a hot button issue
@@youdontneedmyrealname lol it's fucking rumble, there is no world where it even touches RUclips and that isn't just cause they are smaller. I'm not saying RUclips is doing the right thing, but look at what is happening to Kick with the whole "no regulation", I don't think that is the right direction either.
Kevin has always put out banger content, I've loved it for years. It's weird in all the best ways. I hate censorship, but I feel the need to also highlight how GOOD this channel is.
@19:00 I loathe so much about RUclips and Google but I'm inclined to think the human review is just reviewing the flagged section and not the entire video. While timestamps aren't availble to creators just yet, I would have to think they internally have/use them. But I'm just guessing. Either way, I love what FUTO is doing and can't wait to see what else you come up with.
@@josephbrandenburg4373 This new Zero zum zipper mobile game keeps being fed to me too. Remember you can block ads on youtube if they get too harassing
@@josephbrandenburg4373 you have them confused (be proud), this happens to me. I don't let them profile me as much (obviouslly they still do it a lot), so they resort to those trash games ads, those and crypto scams or random podcasts/masterclasses videos is what they throw by default to most people that they can't identify.
" “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped."
@@roflchopter11 Actually, the statues and buildings are being torn down, one by one. They are slowly but surely deleting the physical evidence of the past.
Testing the Gemini model has resulted in a lot of false positives for different tasks. For context the work I'm doing is about community organization dealing with resources, services and programs. RUclips relies too much on automation as Google does as well.
thank god he's not doing the vsauce(tm) voice while doing the interview. the way all their channels try to mimic Michael's mannerisms and intonations is just creepy
RUclips saves and continues to make money by not paying creators for strikes. What would be RUclipss incentive for helping a creator who leaves their content unpaid on RUclips?
history is political there's no running away from this fact, ever since the 19th century history is about people who own the means of production and the people who actually make the actual stuff happen RUclips is a means of production, creators are and were always the workers on this factory, and as working people they need rights and know what they did wrong if they did the site may be automated, but there are people with specific interests high up in there who decide the course of the ship, and usually this ship is going towards short-term profit
"Actually make stuff happen", because raising funds, creating and directing a company isn't making stuff happen right? Both the employees and the people who run companies make stuff happen, people think that because one can be replaced and the other can't that one is more vital then the other, but that isn't what determines how vital a role is. Anyone pretending that one is doing all the heavy lifting and the other is a parasite is delusional. Middle managers are often pretty useless, as are excess hires, but everyone else is important. Investors who put money into ventures, people running those ventures, people meaningfully contributing to the venture (janitors, accountants, lawyers etc) are all needed. Biggest issue I see with how companies are run is that their public, I don't think unaccountable minority shareholders are a good thing in general. It teaches frauds like Elon and Bezos that it's more important to look impressive and respectable then to be impressive and respectable.
I don't like sometimes getting a notification from them when using the service that I made a bad comment they didn't like. They never show me which comment it was and when I send them a message asking them to tell me what was the bad comment they never do. Annoying!
@@XDRosenheim in a real legal system, you'd just have to get past motion to dismiss and to discovery. "Human review" of an hour of content in minutes is more than enough the show "Information and belief"
@@roflchopter11 Internally they could just have a timestamp on the video. They do not have to tell you everything. An AI could serve them the "evidence" to a human and ask them to confirm, that would not take more than a minute.
BTW - I had no idea who this guy was and while I have heard the word "vsauce" before, I had no idea of who or what it meant. Don't assume people know what you know - especially when it comes to FOSS and right to repair, etc. Most people have no idea what it's all about.
I think its worth nuancing whether a piece of content references unethical exploitative behavior. I mean you say prnograpy is not ok but in the vast majority of it nothing unethical is happening in prnoprapy. Vs these topics were unethical exploitative behavior IS being referenced. I think the argurment that content that references unethical exploitative behavior is potentially traumatizing is something that is worth argueing for and against. Especially if we want to consider prnograpy potentially traumatizing even though it isnt even depicting anything unethical or exploitative. I understand that it seems crazy that these things could cause trama, but you have to remember you are very familiar with these topics. Remember that all humans start unfamiliar with effectively everything, that is a vastly different mental state than the one you are are viewing the world through now.
i'm pretty sure the people who are behind the human review just have a yes and no button and are told to side with the previous decision. maybe they are paid per completed review, this would encourage them to not watch the videos and just hit deny as fast as possible. this also seems like a job that would be outsourced to 3rd world countries, to people who barely speak english.
Well these forms of censorship are at this time already traditional, they have been going on, in many forms, for centuries in the anglophone imperialist world. Keeping people ignorant is fundamental to keeping the oligarchy afloat. No you can't discuss Lysenko because we're currently pushing our own version of this down your throat😋
As far as I'm concerned, Vsauce2 lost all ethical credibility when they took a sponsorship from better help, after it was well known that the FTC fined them for illegally selling the personal data of their MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT CLIENTS 🤬
Are you on mobile, TV, speakers, headphones? I'm using a desktop browser with a headset and the audio for this video is on par with the other content I consume from RUclips, Twitch, VLC. I didn't have to make any adjustments to listen to this comfortably.
Too much of youtube and podcasts in general are faux-educational. People have come to think a 12 minute video with splashy graphics is a substitute for actually learning and that "all you really need to know about ..." is a few factoids.
Have a dedicated team for content uploaded by creators in the partnership program. Not all uploaded videos are equal. They have the money and resources to have a human approve/decline anything flagged by an automated system for creators in the partnership program (ie their videos can be monetized) No one cares if bob in his moms basement can't monetize his fortnite clips. Ppl do care about seeing comments from obvious corn bot accounts which can be found on nearly all videos from popular creators which still remain days or weeks later.
I remember watching the video. I think RUclips is telling us that they don't want to be an educational platform. @FUTOTECH you should talk to @HorsesonYT!
I work at a similar UGC (user-generated content) company and can spill the beans:
1. The reason why they won't tell you what _specifically_ they are striking / demonitizing for is because they have not done a thorough review. They've likely found just one thing that got reported or flagged by automated tooling, but there could be other content they don't like in the video / channel. If they tell you that you will be fine after addressing XYZ, then the creator will address only that, and then there might still be bad content remaining on the video / channel (e.g. if someone uploads reused content, they might have a pattern of using it across many videos instead of just one). So they are intentionally vague to force the creator to self-police and audit everything that could _possibly_ be wrong. This can be useful for disingenuous actors that will deliberately do the bare minimum even though they know they still have a ton of bad content to make it difficult to moderate, but more often than not it's because the company can't be bothered to invest effort into moderation
2. The reason why "human" moderation is so fast / impossibly wrong is because every large tech company outsources moderation to sweatshop labor with no knowledge of the product / community and only template answers to compensate. If something does not fit into a template, they will try to force it into one (usually the easiest, like denying an appeal). On top of lack of domain knowledge, they are also held to unrealistically high SLAs for tickets (i.e. same as Amazon does with its delivery drivers / warehouse workers) which cannot be met without taking shortcuts. Most often these shortcuts manifest in deny deny deny since that is safest, but I regularly see sweatshop moderation let through object 18+/illegal content because they were clicking accept as fast as they could, across many companies that employ this sweatshot labor. These guys get paid next to nothing and don't care if they lose their job since there are plenty more where available.
3. Moderation on the scale of big tech is a legitimately hard problem. They can't admit that they don't have it under control though due to unreasonable parents (e.g. who accept that there are bad people in the world who will bully/abduct their kid at the public park unless they keep an eye on them, but that expect Sundar Pichai to babysit for them and prevent their 14-year-old kid from hearing even the slightest naughty word on the internet) who would freak out, advertisers freaking out over parents freaking out, or it reflecting poorly in performance review with execs. There is no reasonable solution to moderation at this scale, which is why you see all of this pie-in-the-sky AI cargo culting. It's just the latest silver bullet to distract people's attention from this being a problem without a solution. In reality, AI tooling is extremely ineffective. When compared with outsourced moderators, it's not _that_ bad, but it's a far cry from moderation that works
4. Proper moderation is expensive. Even when using outsourced moderators making pennies on the hour, I've seen companies where the sheer size of the legion of moderators needed to staff a big tech platform can be 10-20% of their overall spend, if not more (this is why companies like Crunchyroll remove the comments section or Roblox removed their user forums. Don't have to pay moderation if there isn't anything for them to moderate). Sweatshop moderators also require a lot of money spent babyproofing tooling, lest you get cases where they constantly erroneously take down public figures / key content that wasn't doing anything wrong, so you have to be meticulous in who has access to what / what requires escalation / etc in the tooling. Because there has not been a proper solution to moderation developed (#3), human moderators are a massive blunt object that gets swung at problems in naive, neanderthal brute force.
5. It is not in the best interest of investors to iterate on the quality of the platform's experience :) Do the minimum necessary to sustain the platform, and then put the actual effort into user acquisition, time spend, and money spend.
That was interesting and thoughtful. Thanks for taking the trouble to post it!
Hi, sweatshop laborer here. I'll say that this post is basically on the money. Minor quibble with the shortcuts though. It's true that some workers do let things go by clicking carelessly. The check there (with varying efficacy) is that mixed in with the content to be moderated are unidentified tests for the worker doing the moderation. Misidentifying the content too many times gets you dropped because even for the most carelessly outsourced jobs, the contract owner wants that contract to renew. As such, quality issues like false positives/negatives and careless rating are one of the metrics by which workers are judged. The availability of such jobs varies by market. That being said, unrealistic SLAs are absolutely true. Your content is getting skimmed at best, by people with guidelines that are vague, byzantine, or both.
The same people moderating your content are also training the AI to moderate your content, with the same hit and miss quality. The answer to this (apart from actual moderation on a platform, heaven forbid) is basically to give a damn if you have third-party moderation. Yes, you can get it done for pennies in a nondescript international backwater. Or you can pay a bit more and aim for higher quality metrics, tools that aren't like a dull knife, and more reasonable SLAs. You get what you pay for.
Thank you for the clear and easy to understand write-up. If only more RUclips comments were this good of a read.
"Pie-in-the-sky AI cargo culting" I'm going to start using that.
John Lescroart - 'The essence of fascism is to make laws forbidding everything and then enforce them selectively against your enemies.'
Isn't this inevitable in a society where the legal system is commercialised and wealth is unequal?
@@thesenamesaretaken when you give an elite class the rights to trample the rights of the others, yes that's what'll happen.
it's a private company. it isn't "fascism."
@@JH-pt6ih fascism is the government exercising authoritarian power using "private" companies
@@JH-pt6ih True it's not fascism, it's blatant censorship. Fascism is for example modern day Russia. The problem is that it's not just a private company. It's a conglomerate who controls a large portion of the population it's data. By that logic you are also responsible for upholding it's security and individual rights. Google for example is a west/democratic/free sided company which became as big as it is exactly by those freedoms European and American socities offer. However these companies are using these same freedoms against whoever or whatever they think their policies violate. If you write in your policy that pink elephants are forbidden, than they have the right to act upon this if they observed such content in their systems. This logic is weak and self defending as 90% of the censored content wouldn't stand in court for violating any laws in any of the western countries... you know, things like negative comments/reviews...
RUclips and other social media have too much control over information.
indeed.. zuck and susan before i warned her and she left a month later 😅 wonderrr whyy
Oh and eli pariser proved it, long long ago here... his speech has 7 figures views
Exactly the problem!
They dont have enough liability*
And the platforms are beholden to the advertisers and the governments which their users attempt to discuss. Emphasis on "attempt"
Even more fun. My wife had her channel deleted because of "visible nudity" ... In her audio only podcast. And they upheld the decision.
we heard the nudity bro...
@@MarkNOTW apparently you all have a very detailed imagination. They were on Google Podcast before for a year with no issue and then they shut that down and merged into YT ... NOPE!
YT Censorship on many fronts is totally off the charts.
meanwhile bots with the same girls photo is on every video all 2024 since q1 2024
@@dertythegrower 100% positive those bots belong to YT.
How to make most people switch to the other "free" video presentation sites, are they really free of censorship? What conclusion can we bring out from the tik-tok satanic viral content?
Unless it's scam content - then they'll happily promote it
I wonder if Kevin from Vsauce was even talking to a real person, or if his communication was entirely with an LLM/"AI" program. Google doesn't seem to like to bother having actual humans handle important things like this any more.
24:11 There you go. If a policy that gets adjusted for many years to this exact state - and it makes you do something - then it is not unreasonable to assume that was the goal.
This is a real issue. Thank you for this interview
welcome to the ad friendly world. Only happy topics allowed.
Yeah advertisers should never influence a platform of what content shouldn't be available.
Yet some of the darkest ads I've ever seen in my life.
Same reason why I stopped writing reviews on Google Maps and why I don't consider them as much in my decision-making as in the past.
Google's (apparently general) policy on deciding and communicating what content is somehow offensive and why and not providing an ability to discuss the matter is really awful.
same here. used to post a lot on maps, G. behaviour made me not continue this
If you didn't do it for money, you can still make reviews on OpenStreetMap
They're doing this with comments too. Apparently literally calling people a piece of shit is perfectly fine engagement, but using any kind of academic language or citing titles or DOIs or links to papers results in days of shadowbanning
When an entity makes a false statement to get out of paying you for your content that was published in good faith, under their terms - we have a word for it: fraud. When a lot of people are getting defrauded by an entity, we have legal recourse: class action.
Anytime I want to discuss something mildly "bad" on this platform I need to carefully reword myself such that my comment won't be memory holed. Usually this happens in more nonfiction "leadership" related discussions but it's happened to me when discussing leadership in fictional settings such as Star Wars or even clothing materials!
Vsauce2 didn't upset the algorithm; he upset big corps
Just FYI, they are touchy about Lysenko because they begin with the assumption that you are conflating historical Lysenkoism with a modern protected group. A very modern and very protected group. It's a hot button issue
A huge part of this feels related to systems (and sometimes people) having trouble differentiating mentioning/depicting something and endorsing it.
RUclips the video dictators
RUclips needs some competition.
Rumble is trying but it's a David vs. Goliath problem.
@@youdontneedmyrealname lol it's fucking rumble, there is no world where it even touches RUclips and that isn't just cause they are smaller. I'm not saying RUclips is doing the right thing, but look at what is happening to Kick with the whole "no regulation", I don't think that is the right direction either.
I thought RUclips was the place where no one told you what to do and everyone found their place. And that is where we as users fucked up.
Kids app is useless: you cannot whitelist a channel even if you deem it appropriate for your children.
Kevin has always put out banger content, I've loved it for years. It's weird in all the best ways. I hate censorship, but I feel the need to also highlight how GOOD this channel is.
@19:00 I loathe so much about RUclips and Google but I'm inclined to think the human review is just reviewing the flagged section and not the entire video. While timestamps aren't availble to creators just yet, I would have to think they internally have/use them. But I'm just guessing. Either way, I love what FUTO is doing and can't wait to see what else you come up with.
The lack of timestamps for creators is NOT evidence that timestamps exist for Google. You're giving Google too much credit.
Congrats on 10k!
RUclips is so worried about not upsetting their advertiser, but it seems all I get are ads for male vitality products.
That's your algo lol. I get industrial machines and FUCKING RED HAT LINUX, LEAVE ME ALONE RUclips.
For me it's those Chinese mobile games or temu... None of which I have ever interacted with
I just use Revanced because I'm not watching ads on a Platform that shadowbans my comments
@@josephbrandenburg4373 This new Zero zum zipper mobile game keeps being fed to me too. Remember you can block ads on youtube if they get too harassing
@@josephbrandenburg4373 you have them confused (be proud), this happens to me. I don't let them profile me as much (obviouslly they still do it a lot), so they resort to those trash games ads, those and crypto scams or random podcasts/masterclasses videos is what they throw by default to most people that they can't identify.
I guess history isn't "brand friendly" enough.
" “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped."
@@roflchopter11 Actually, the statues and buildings are being torn down, one by one. They are slowly but surely deleting the physical evidence of the past.
Testing the Gemini model has resulted in a lot of false positives for different tasks. For context the work I'm doing is about community organization dealing with resources, services and programs. RUclips relies too much on automation as Google does as well.
Awesome Interview Partner
could it perhaps be that to "insert your any social media company here" you are not the customer but the product?
thank god he's not doing the vsauce(tm) voice while doing the interview. the way all their channels try to mimic Michael's mannerisms and intonations is just creepy
What you're experiencing is malicious reporting. It's time to get a lawyer & start sending Certified Letters.
It's getting where the only thing you can do on computers is learn computers....
RUclips saves and continues to make money by not paying creators for strikes. What would be RUclipss incentive for helping a creator who leaves their content unpaid on RUclips?
I curiously searched "triggering censorship" and found this video.
history is political there's no running away from this fact, ever since the 19th century history is about people who own the means of production and the people who actually make the actual stuff happen
RUclips is a means of production, creators are and were always the workers on this factory, and as working people they need rights and know what they did wrong if they did
the site may be automated, but there are people with specific interests high up in there who decide the course of the ship, and usually this ship is going towards short-term profit
"Actually make stuff happen", because raising funds, creating and directing a company isn't making stuff happen right? Both the employees and the people who run companies make stuff happen, people think that because one can be replaced and the other can't that one is more vital then the other, but that isn't what determines how vital a role is. Anyone pretending that one is doing all the heavy lifting and the other is a parasite is delusional. Middle managers are often pretty useless, as are excess hires, but everyone else is important. Investors who put money into ventures, people running those ventures, people meaningfully contributing to the venture (janitors, accountants, lawyers etc) are all needed. Biggest issue I see with how companies are run is that their public, I don't think unaccountable minority shareholders are a good thing in general. It teaches frauds like Elon and Bezos that it's more important to look impressive and respectable then to be impressive and respectable.
I don't like sometimes getting a notification from them when using the service that I made a bad comment they didn't like. They never show me which comment it was and when I send them a message asking them to tell me what was the bad comment they never do. Annoying!
Please adjust the volume levels so one person isn’t way quieter or louder than the other.
Wish you all the best, and many more views on this video
But... age restriction technically is a "minor deal" 😏
is Nebula the solution?
btw when is grayjay coming to pc
here before yt pulls this out of the recommendation feed
Can't have smart users. Dumb users yield more better moneys. Got to pump up the earnings calls. *We've got a, "Rally" to maintain!*
it's ridiculous to discuss a system that relies on "sleep viewership" in an intelligent conversation.
thats the whole point they are making people fearfull of talking about things thats the whole reason they are like this
What is this, a crossover episode?
18:14 I wonder if one could sue RUclips for fraud for claiming to have human review when they clearly don't.
But can you *prove* that? Nope. Case dismissed.
@@XDRosenheim in a real legal system, you'd just have to get past motion to dismiss and to discovery. "Human review" of an hour of content in minutes is more than enough the show "Information and belief"
@@roflchopter11 Internally they could just have a timestamp on the video. They do not have to tell you everything. An AI could serve them the "evidence" to a human and ask them to confirm, that would not take more than a minute.
As a father I don’t care about your kids.
maybe a campaign to get as many popular creators to make their videos age restricted to force youtube to do something?
BTW - I had no idea who this guy was and while I have heard the word "vsauce" before, I had no idea of who or what it meant. Don't assume people know what you know - especially when it comes to FOSS and right to repair, etc. Most people have no idea what it's all about.
Interesting topic
"RUclips is my business" - no it's not it is Googles business.
I think its worth nuancing whether a piece of content references unethical exploitative behavior. I mean you say prnograpy is not ok but in the vast majority of it nothing unethical is happening in prnoprapy.
Vs these topics were unethical exploitative behavior IS being referenced.
I think the argurment that content that references unethical exploitative behavior is potentially traumatizing is something that is worth argueing for and against.
Especially if we want to consider prnograpy potentially traumatizing even though it isnt even depicting anything unethical or exploitative.
I understand that it seems crazy that these things could cause trama, but you have to remember you are very familiar with these topics. Remember that all humans start unfamiliar with effectively everything, that is a vastly different mental state than the one you are are viewing the world through now.
"Censorship isn't a minor issue"
Well... In a way it is
i'm pretty sure the people who are behind the human review just have a yes and no button and are told to side with the previous decision. maybe they are paid per completed review, this would encourage them to not watch the videos and just hit deny as fast as possible. this also seems like a job that would be outsourced to 3rd world countries, to people who barely speak english.
no they arent trying to stop people from talking about history in a inteligent matter they are stopping people from doing it
Well these forms of censorship are at this time already traditional, they have been going on, in many forms, for centuries in the anglophone imperialist world. Keeping people ignorant is fundamental to keeping the oligarchy afloat.
No you can't discuss Lysenko because we're currently pushing our own version of this down your throat😋
Just saying - isn't VSAUCE on NEBULA? I think it's time to sub to nebula to give youtube SOME competition.
It isn’t on Nebula as far asI can see?
I wish more creators would be, like vtube, vtube2 and folding ideas
@@hugbuggie5966 ohhh.. that's a real shame. Thank you for the heads up
Just proves these platforms want the world to be dumber, not smarter, through hosting their content 😂
And that, kids, is called fascism. That's why we need Trump in office.
is trump really gonna fix youtube though 😂😂😂😂😂
You forgot the /s. I suspect a lot of people won't recognize your sarcasm.
I bet there are kids pronoun videos that are possibly far more questionable based on who you ask....that are untouched.
As far as I'm concerned, Vsauce2 lost all ethical credibility when they took a sponsorship from better help, after it was well known that the FTC fined them for illegally selling the personal data of their MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT CLIENTS 🤬
Please tune up your mic. My volume is at max and I can barely year you.
Are you on mobile, TV, speakers, headphones? I'm using a desktop browser with a headset and the audio for this video is on par with the other content I consume from RUclips, Twitch, VLC. I didn't have to make any adjustments to listen to this comfortably.
@@marty-h8r mobile, max volume, I can hear Vsauce just fine but you are incredibly quiet
DONG
Erm actually its D!NG, the name which it always has been.
To be fair vsauce has been faux-educational for years, but I'm not sure it's that extreme it's just mild grift
Too much of youtube and podcasts in general are faux-educational. People have come to think a 12 minute video with splashy graphics is a substitute for actually learning and that "all you really need to know about ..." is a few factoids.
This is scary, like someone wants to rewrite history(worst case)....but idiocracy is a very real thing.
Vsauce is propaganda anywsys
RUclips gets more uploaded in an hour than a human could watch in an entire lifetime. How would you handle this if it was your website?
Have a dedicated team for content uploaded by creators in the partnership program.
Not all uploaded videos are equal.
They have the money and resources to have a human approve/decline anything flagged by an automated system for creators in the partnership program (ie their videos can be monetized)
No one cares if bob in his moms basement can't monetize his fortnite clips.
Ppl do care about seeing comments from obvious corn bot accounts which can be found on nearly all videos from popular creators which still remain days or weeks later.
I proved this since 2011.. you are late
You're insignificant though.
Late.. eli pariser proved this on his speech here.. that was 2010-2011
If they restrict videos like this then why can't they restrict this video
I remember watching the video. I think RUclips is telling us that they don't want to be an educational platform. @FUTOTECH you should talk to @HorsesonYT!