I really love these videos, but I don't know where else to put this little observation. The audio cut short around 10:03-10:04. Hope you'll be able to fix that after upload.
They are one of those factions that have been in Warhammer Lore for decades, but never had any official models and were always just far off in the background. Honestly, I'm just happy to have a human nation in Warhammer that isn't disease-ridden, wallowing in poverty and drowning in filth
@@weldonwin I mean, Bretonnia was that before they got mega retconned lol. And Cathay still has plenty of Chaos corruption, Tzeentch cults, Beastmen, Skaven, Dark Elf raiders, etc. Not to mention everyone is expendable for their Dragon leaders.
To say that the name is unimaginative is to put it mildly. As another example, the inventor of the Empire's Steam Tanks is named "Leonardo of Miragliano". Still, could be worse - "Tiktaq'to" of the Lizardmen, anyone?
"Those in other nations may deny it, but all mortals desire control. To be controlled, that is. Why else would they conjure those Northern God's that obsess over dominating the very creatures that brought them into being?" -- PRINCE YUAN BO, THE JADE DRAGON, RULER OF THE CENTRAL PROVINCES.
Wait, so the Dragon Emperor also don't like being worshiped as a God, has children who has their own factions they lead. Dragon Emperor really is the Fantasy version of the Emperor of Mankind. We should now refer him as "Big D"
@@chimera9818 not really. He's legendarily stupid for how faith in Warhammer works. Hes throwing away a titanic wealth of power, ultimately kind of making Cathay Irrelevant on the stage of gods. Faith is the only thing that can power gods of order and those are the most powerful entities in the world besides the chaos gods and the Slann. It would literally be the greatest power he could obtain for Cathay and he's throwing it away. + The way Warhammer works faith is the only thing that protects human souls from the chaos gods, as they don't have a god of death either Morr stretches himself thin to protect their souls or they just go to the chaos gods giving them a massive feeding ground.
@@rexlumontad5644 Who is theorised to be one of the two lost Primarchs, but mostly it was a comment on The Emperor being a tyrannical sociopath who would burn the entire Warhammer world to ashes
@@weldonwin That one Sigmar being a Lost Primarch was popular use for crossover between 40k and Fantasy. Well, Emperor would definitely do that since it is a world saturated with Chaos energy that allowed Daemons to manifest post-Gateways of Old Ones collapse with the grounded version of Eldar siphoning most of it away through the Vortex.
More like Chinese Mythology than Ancient China. The Dragon Emperor is equivalent to the Jade Emperor, and the children of the Dragon Emperor are equivalent to Son of Heaven (i.e. Chinese Emperor)
Slight correction on the sky fleet: the "carefully controlled fire" in the balloon is a caged vermilion war bird, a blazing hot creature related to the pheonix.
Older Than The Old Ones, thats part is veryyy undestated, The Old Ones played with the Planet as if it were nothing, The Dragon Emperor must be obscenely powerfull
More accurately, he's not older than the Old Ones themselves, he just predates their coming by at least several centuries, but as the Old Ones were stated to have an interstellar empire by the time they came to the world, I'd say they're a lot older.
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I am happy with the inclusion of Cathay as a faction, it's mechanics seem right up my alley and the lore about it is very interesting. A tiny part of me wishes we got the Dragon Emperor and the Moon Empress as legendary lords but the more I learn about them I come to realize it would be like playing chaos with Khorne or Tzeench. Now I have to wonder if in the future we may see more factions like not Japan for example.
It would be more like playing with Sigmar pre-godhood or Nagash. The founding heroes of each faction are always OP, Aenearion with the Sword of Khaine would match him
@@pendragon0905 I suspect GW does have plans for the table top Cathay using the ivory road system which is why they are a faction in this game, fantasy Japanese and indi no plans at all.
@@pendragon0905 A serious shame for that to be the case, though not entirely unreasonable considering that this is a semi-collab with GW to effectively promote Warhammer: The Old World. That said, CA did add Norsca and the Vampire Coast despite not being fleshed-out, standalone factions in the tabletop. So who knows what they may add next. Even if not Ind or Nippon, there may still be room for one more surprise.
@@Alex-pj8nz I mean the leaked map does have space for the snakemen of khuresh at least. Nippon and Ind are unlikely. I guess Nippon will be a feudal eastern power with alot of spirits and mysticism? What about Ind? Just a caricature of ancient India with elephants being pandered like kislev bears?
As a Malaysian Chinese guy, I like Cathay very much. It is quite heartwarming to see another country stand up and fight against the Ruinous Powers! The creativity used by CA to improvise Cathay makes it even more splendid, if not inspirational.
Yeah, i like that about Warhammer Fantasy. The good guys are not just "Europeans" (like in LotR) but all kinds of humans (basically from the real world Germans, French, Russians and Chines). Great thing.
The people who bred the God Emperor into existence should've given His Holiness a wife. Things would've been VERY different for the Imperium of Man... maybe for the better.
Ancient China still relies on number when fighting a war, so the average solder of the Imperial Guard is fucked regardless. Also, average citizen of the -Imperium- Celestial Central State have to strictly follow Confucius teaching now.
Didn't expect them to see an unseen faction like Grand Cathay to be featured in Total War Warhammer, let alone be fully fleshed out. One can only imagine what other secrets in Grand Cathay might be revealed.
Oh this is a video worth watching man Thank You always liked the snippets of info of Grand Cathy back in fantasy and now they've been fleshed out as a faction proper. I use to watch way to much Chinese Cinema growing up though so.....
Ah, extremely glad to see a so good description of not China. This sequence of Fantasy videos is making my 2022 extremely entertaining. Keep it up By the way, are the Monkey King and the Fire dragon the same charachters or different creatures? Because I understood also the former controls the southern territory
The Monkey King and Fire Dragon are different. As for control, he's sort of like a bandit king. The Fire Dragon is the Imperial governor, but the Monkey King holds all the power in the region.
Basically warhammer version of Sun Wu Kong/Ho Chi Minn, doesn't like the dragon emperor and sets up his bases in the mountains with his monke warriors, while the fire dragon presumably controls the lowlands of the region and defends the south from Ind and Khuresh. Don't doubt that either have fought before, but it's more like the Kislev political crisis, except much, much more violent and have been going on for a lot longer.
@@yeeyee5057 There's also teh fact that the Monkey King is sometimes described as a beastman, yet has occasionally come to the Flame Dragon's aid against Chaos, so he's clearly more 'civilized' than the beastmen of the Old World. I think their relationship can be summed up as, "Best Frienemies."
As a child of Chinese descent, I cannot be happier to get (any) lore for Cathay! If I do break my long-standing policy on not spending money on video games and got TW: WHIII, this would easily be my main faction. I just wonder now if 40K has something similar. Something like Vostroya and the Vostroyan Firstborn (themed around Russian culture), except for Chinese culture, maybe? I'm more than satisfied with just Cathay, though.
I think White Scars are as close as you'll get for 40K, which is more "Yuan Dynasty" at best, but you can make your own chapter descended from the White Scars that is heavily Chinese themed, it would be awesome to see on the tabletop! Get creative!
The White Scars are awesome steppe nomad warriors which you can use but personally I think its a rather crude path to map onto China itself. Frankly, the excellent statesmen like qualities of the ultramarines or the defensive and implacable imperial fists would be far better chapters to make a successor descent from as their traits are more closely aligned with the majestry of previous chinese dynasties.
Same story here! It's nice to see some representation in games where I don't need to pretend or customize a character to look Chinese or remotely Asian lol. And yeah, 40k doesn't have much for China outside the White Scars and maybe the Eldar who both take notes. Although the White Scars are very much Mongolian and not even Yuan Dynasty so your mileage may vary. For the people saying that they are Chinese, I can assure you that titles like Khan and Keshig are not originally Chinese. It would be like saying you can just use the British to represent Americans because America was a British colony historically, replacing the Minutemen with Redcoats and calling it a day. Close enough in the loosest sense but also definitely not correct
Bro it is. I used to think that if I was in this world I would rather live in the Empire(Sigmar's Empire) than Bretonnia my favorite faction because they mistreat their people. I, at least would have a chance in the empire xD. But then again they do frequently deal with civil wars, undead, vampires, beastmen,etc and ofc chaos if they invade. Cathay seems to be the most secured nation out of all nations in warhammer. Second is probably the wood elves nation.
@@D-sQU1NTER nah, take the high elves they live forever and honestly have the most piece, since there many wars are over sutch a long time, there only problem is that there dying out
God bless CA for making Cathay into a playable faction rather than the offscreen Titan that they were before. It’s a real show of GW’s faith that they allowed this to happen, and clearly CA did not disappoint. Cathay’s lore is really fun!
@@notasmith8163 I think they did have lore a long time ago, back in the old days of warhammer fantasy when GW still cared about the tabletop game. I am a bit annoyed that they didn't try to make Tilea and Estalia playable factions, I could see potential there, or Araby for that matter
@@AeneasGemini Old Cathay lore was basically just a bunch of rumors and exotic tales in the p&p roleplaying game. Like, it was perhaps a page or two total.
This is amazing! I never knew anything of he or factions like this until now and wondered if one day Games Workshop will produce this army to fit in the age of Sigmar.
Age of Sigmar has cut anything that had personality of It's own from their universe after the End Times, all in fear of "stereotypes". Everything they do now is generic, but they will keep using old characters to sell the whole thing. Is really sad for me, that only came to know these characters years after the reboot, to see how things were better before.
@@josephdeguzman3829 In theory it's a nice idea, in practice, I'm not going to build up expectations. The best thing to do is wait and see how they try to play it
@@bigbangrafa8435 you clearly don’t play tabletop or know anything of the lore outside of what some little angry ‘lore’ (reading off of the Warhammer wiki) RUclipsr tells you. Like I played 40k since 2004 and played fantasy for a few years before AoS. Try actually looking into AoS and the armies nowadays before seething. it’s far from generic if anything it’s 100x less generic than fantasy was and I loved fantasy since I had Druchii, Asrai and empire armies to prove it. But hmm yes the Lumineth and Idoneth are so generic in comparison to the Azur or Empire. Like you say AoS is generic when most of the old lore was based on real world places just fantasies… which you know… is pretty generic. Like seriously the AoS haters really need to grow up like you can still buy most of the old fantasy models (as they are useable in AoS) and they’ll be releasing new lines soon and no it wasn’t ‘better’ back in the day. The end times were certainly terrible but since AoS found it’s footing it’s comparable to the height of fantasy, nostalgia for something you didn’t have really can cloud your opinion like old lore was only ‘better’ because people just pick and chose the bits they preferred and ignored all the cheesy bits they hated. Edit: not to mention pretty much 80% of the Cathay lore is new and is made to the fit with the new old world line of models they’ll be doing. It’s not AoS it’s still fantasy… because fantasy is still a thing… people seem to forget that. Edit Edit: it’s also well known amongst TT players that AoS wasn’t implemented because ‘stereotypes’ or whatever nonsense you’ve read it’s because they could trademark everything in AoS whilst fantasy it was a lot harder as it was all generic.
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I'm super into the Warhammer Fantasy setting. I really like all the armies-- it's full of crazy, insane fantasy whatevers everywhere, yet at the same time models and the vibe is so very grounded. I love this setting and I hope it gets some more GW love!
In a world conquered by undead soldiers commanded by vampires, Orks, Giant Bears, and literal real life Demons: "You saw a Dragon? PPPPFFFTTTT oKaY!!! lmao, I'll see you guys later, I gotta deal with a dwarves who are mining under gigantic mammoth carcasses."
I really hope AOS takes a read out of Old chinese civil war books and add them here, stuff like the An Lushan civil war fits right at home in this world
Speaking of AoS, one must wonder if the Celestial Dragons and/or their children had survived The End Times (much as we wish to never talk about that). If they did, would they someday find the Mortal Realms and play a part in the eternal struggle? Maybe even forged a Realm of their own - a new battlefield for the greater powers.
The coming quasi-WHFB reboot Warhammer: The Old World will include Grand Cathay as a playable faction with their own army book and minitiatures. GW actually took lead in designing them alongside CA during the development of Warhammer:Total War 3.
Cathayan dragons: ancient magical mysterious scale-y serpent-like divine creatures. Sotek: ancient magical mysterious scale-y serpent-like divine creature. Could the lizardmen’s gods, the old ones, actually be related to or even same species as the Cathayan dragons?
Both nations fought an interdimensional war over who is the better China, only for Zhong Xina to appear and annihilate them from orbit for failing social credit test.
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Really hope we get some books set in Grand Cathay, especially about the wars with the monkey king. With Warhammer the Old World coming out soon, it’s definitely a possibility
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"1 in 10 trade caravans make it back". Presumably 1 in 5 make it one way but not the other in the best case scenario. But even still, how would this ever be profitable or viable as a trading system?
Wait, they finally decided to write some proper lore for Cathay at GW?! Well, took them only 30 years and the End Times to do it..... Better late than never, I guess.
They actually did have proper lore, way back in the when times when they first came up with the idea for the faction (they even had models), but they were basically abandoned as a faction so the fell by the wayside (essentially forgotten)
All we need in India and Japan knockoffs and the east map will feel complete. Imagine warrior monks that fight with martial arts and 2 headed giant elephants and multi arm warriors.
Well, there is, to the east of Grand Cathay, the island nation of Nippon ( the name for Japan in the past and used by the modern day Japenese themselves) and the Kingdom(s) of Ind in the roughly southwest to south of Grand Cathay. All we know of Nippon is there are there are Samurai and the Skaven Clan Eshin learned the how to be Ninjas from them. As for Ind, it is called the, "Land of 1,000 gods." And is filled with so many Indian flavored themes of Beastmen.
I'd honestly prefer that they do proper factions for Tilea and/or Estalia, proper mercenary factions would be great. I'd also love some stuff for Araby, that place has deep lore and some interesting magic, would be good to see it in play
@@AeneasGemini well my buddy is stepping out of his comfort zone with the total war series because I hope they add Nippon for him because he a big fan of Shogunate 2
@@AeneasGemini I’m sick and tired of Euro factions they better focus on eastern factions if I want to play a euro faction I’ll play my beloved brettonia, and if I’m feeling silly I’ll play as uncouth empire, barbaric Kislev or the infidel norsca.
...sorry, but those maps are BEAUTIFUL! I don't know how they will play, but I half don't care. This is EVERYTHING I ever wanted from Warhammer, how can I object? Like: (History + Fantasy) * 10 or something. And tone down the amount of skulls, come on, it is edgy 13y old stuff. I am alright with them being ample in, idk, Chaos Wastes or something, but not EVERYWHERE! Regardless, the art team really outdid themselves here!
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I really love these videos, but I don't know where else to put this little observation.
The audio cut short around 10:03-10:04. Hope you'll be able to fix that after upload.
Are there standard dragons 🐉 in grand Cathay??
@@gunxsword5732 oh damn, looks like an error in RUclips processing? Not sure if we'll have any way to fix that.
Grand Cathay is also the single source of pandas in the Warhammer world, making this realm of critical geostrategic importance.
PANDA CAVALRY
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Grand China
@@dashiellgillingham4579 I now want Panda Cavalry in Warhammer.
@@jangabrielreyes4754 peoples republic of cathay
I knew nothing of Grand Cathay before this video, now I'm looking forward to playing them.
They are one of those factions that have been in Warhammer Lore for decades, but never had any official models and were always just far off in the background. Honestly, I'm just happy to have a human nation in Warhammer that isn't disease-ridden, wallowing in poverty and drowning in filth
@@weldonwin I mean, Bretonnia was that before they got mega retconned lol.
And Cathay still has plenty of Chaos corruption, Tzeentch cults, Beastmen, Skaven, Dark Elf raiders, etc. Not to mention everyone is expendable for their Dragon leaders.
@@LordVader1094 still a good place to live when compare to everywhere else in their universe
im looking forward to slaghtering them with chaos
@@LordVader1094 let's be real no matter who you work for in warhammer your probably expendable unless your with the dwarves or maybe high elves
“Marco Polair.”
You’ve got to be kidding me.
Can I copy your homework?
Yeah just change a little bit so it’s not too obvious
Wait till you hear about Sly Marbo
To say that the name is unimaginative is to put it mildly.
As another example, the inventor of the Empire's Steam Tanks is named "Leonardo of Miragliano". Still, could be worse - "Tiktaq'to" of the Lizardmen, anyone?
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@@anonymousmind8402I’ve done some world building myself and I gotta say, cut them some slack, naming things is VERY hard
"Those in other nations may deny it, but all mortals desire control. To be controlled, that is. Why else would they conjure those Northern God's that obsess over dominating the very creatures that brought them into being?" -- PRINCE YUAN BO, THE JADE DRAGON, RULER OF THE CENTRAL PROVINCES.
Chaos God Loki: “Precisely!”
The Analyst: The sheeple aren't going anywhere.
Guy has it completely opposite
Wait, so the Dragon Emperor also don't like being worshiped as a God, has children who has their own factions they lead.
Dragon Emperor really is the Fantasy version of the Emperor of Mankind. We should now refer him as "Big D"
The dragon emperor is just smarter and created belief system to replace believing in gods
@@chimera9818 not really. He's legendarily stupid for how faith in Warhammer works. Hes throwing away a titanic wealth of power, ultimately kind of making Cathay Irrelevant on the stage of gods. Faith is the only thing that can power gods of order and those are the most powerful entities in the world besides the chaos gods and the Slann. It would literally be the greatest power he could obtain for Cathay and he's throwing it away. + The way Warhammer works faith is the only thing that protects human souls from the chaos gods, as they don't have a god of death either Morr stretches himself thin to protect their souls or they just go to the chaos gods giving them a massive feeding ground.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 He doesn't exist in the Aethyr so he wouldn't get power from believers
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 but it would also enslave him to what the people believe about him.
@@derbonuspool1274 neither did sigmar.
The Empire of Man's reaction: " Well this is awkward"
That, or just a barrage of Cyclonic Torpedoes, for there is only one Lord of Mankind and he does not share power...
@@weldonwin The Empire of Man was created by Sigmar, not the Man-Emperor of Mankind
@@rexlumontad5644 Who is theorised to be one of the two lost Primarchs, but mostly it was a comment on The Emperor being a tyrannical sociopath who would burn the entire Warhammer world to ashes
@@weldonwin That one Sigmar being a Lost Primarch was popular use for crossover between 40k and Fantasy.
Well, Emperor would definitely do that since it is a world saturated with Chaos energy that allowed Daemons to manifest post-Gateways of Old Ones collapse with the grounded version of Eldar siphoning most of it away through the Vortex.
@@rexlumontad5644 I see you are a follower of Bruva Alfabusa as well ^^
Warhammer 40k: This nation is meant to be a specific human psychi and also as a criticism of-
Warhammer Fantasy: *ANCIENT* *FUCKING* *CHINA!*
More like Chinese Mythology than Ancient China. The Dragon Emperor is equivalent to the Jade Emperor, and the children of the Dragon Emperor are equivalent to Son of Heaven (i.e. Chinese Emperor)
Cathay is literally the old medieval european word for China
@@januskaisar4972 maybe a little bit later, cuz otherwise there would be only Rome and not Rome in the europe.
Slight correction on the sky fleet: the "carefully controlled fire" in the balloon is a caged vermilion war bird, a blazing hot creature related to the pheonix.
Yeah but why put a firebird in a flamebil balon in the sky, when a normal fire wuld do???
@@theonesithtorulethemall Because it's *cool* . Welcome to Warhammer, my friend
@@theonesithtorulethemall Probably because the bird doesn't require taking as much fuel with 'em.
You can train a fire bird to angle itself certain ways to gently “steer” the balloon. Not so for an open flame.
@@theonesithtorulethemallbecause normal fire would be harder to mantain
Honestly this was a nice break from the more intense videos, music was very peaceful and I felt at ease and enjoyed the fantasy china setting
Older Than The Old Ones, thats part is veryyy undestated, The Old Ones played with the Planet as if it were nothing, The Dragon Emperor must be obscenely powerfull
More accurately, he's not older than the Old Ones themselves, he just predates their coming by at least several centuries, but as the Old Ones were stated to have an interstellar empire by the time they came to the world, I'd say they're a lot older.
Not to say he isn't obscenely powerful though, in fact, the only non-god I can see surpassing him would be a 1st generation Slann.
@@yehiahuzayyin7972 Yeah, but he didnt got killed by the Lizardmen,The Slann or The Old Ones themselves, that in itself its fascinating
@@yehiahuzayyin7972 If you can call Lord Kroak a young amateur and back it up, you are good
@@josea.moreno5125 Lord Kroak is a 1st gen Slann, the oldest, in fact.
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The SCP is so full of excellent storytelling!
I think they already did the Ogre Kingdoms
I'd love them to cover the Metro factions
I'd love to see The Crimson Empire too- but The Templin Institute has been lost to The Mouse like so many others...
I am happy with the inclusion of Cathay as a faction, it's mechanics seem right up my alley and the lore about it is very interesting.
A tiny part of me wishes we got the Dragon Emperor and the Moon Empress as legendary lords but the more I learn about them I come to realize it would be like playing chaos with Khorne or Tzeench.
Now I have to wonder if in the future we may see more factions like not Japan for example.
It would be more like playing with Sigmar pre-godhood or Nagash. The founding heroes of each faction are always OP, Aenearion with the Sword of Khaine would match him
The makers say that Cathay and Kislev will be all we get for empires in the Far East; Warhammer III won't be featuring Nippon or Ind.
@@pendragon0905 I suspect GW does have plans for the table top Cathay using the ivory road system which is why they are a faction in this game, fantasy Japanese and indi no plans at all.
@@pendragon0905 A serious shame for that to be the case, though not entirely unreasonable considering that this is a semi-collab with GW to effectively promote Warhammer: The Old World.
That said, CA did add Norsca and the Vampire Coast despite not being fleshed-out, standalone factions in the tabletop. So who knows what they may add next. Even if not Ind or Nippon, there may still be room for one more surprise.
@@Alex-pj8nz I mean the leaked map does have space for the snakemen of khuresh at least.
Nippon and Ind are unlikely.
I guess Nippon will be a feudal eastern power with alot of spirits and mysticism?
What about Ind? Just a caricature of ancient India with elephants being pandered like kislev bears?
As a Malaysian Chinese guy, I like Cathay very much. It is quite heartwarming to see another country stand up and fight against the Ruinous Powers!
The creativity used by CA to improvise Cathay makes it even more splendid, if not inspirational.
It’ll be so cool to see more and more creatures from Chinese mythology added as time goes on with that nice Warhammer flair
Imagine grand cathay in warhammer 40k
Yeah, i like that about Warhammer Fantasy. The good guys are not just "Europeans" (like in LotR) but all kinds of humans (basically from the real world Germans, French, Russians and Chines). Great thing.
Grand Cathay: The Imperium of Man if Jimmy Space had decided to get married.
And wasn't a power mad, narcissistic sociopath
The people who bred the God Emperor into existence should've given His Holiness a wife.
Things would've been VERY different for the Imperium of Man... maybe for the better.
@@pendragon0905 Well he kind of did, at the very least the Primarchs have a mother who is a Perpetual, it didn't go well.
Ancient China still relies on number when fighting a war, so the average solder of the Imperial Guard is fucked regardless. Also, average citizen of the -Imperium- Celestial Central State have to strictly follow Confucius teaching now.
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Never heard of her 🤔
Didn't expect them to see an unseen faction like Grand Cathay to be featured in Total War Warhammer, let alone be fully fleshed out. One can only imagine what other secrets in Grand Cathay might be revealed.
Oh this is a video worth watching man Thank You always liked the snippets of info of Grand Cathy back in fantasy and now they've been fleshed out as a faction proper.
I use to watch way to much Chinese Cinema growing up though so.....
Ah, extremely glad to see a so good description of not China. This sequence of Fantasy videos is making my 2022 extremely entertaining. Keep it up
By the way, are the Monkey King and the Fire dragon the same charachters or different creatures? Because I understood also the former controls the southern territory
The Monkey King and Fire Dragon are different. As for control, he's sort of like a bandit king. The Fire Dragon is the Imperial governor, but the Monkey King holds all the power in the region.
Basically warhammer version of Sun Wu Kong/Ho Chi Minn, doesn't like the dragon emperor and sets up his bases in the mountains with his monke warriors, while the fire dragon presumably controls the lowlands of the region and defends the south from Ind and Khuresh. Don't doubt that either have fought before, but it's more like the Kislev political crisis, except much, much more violent and have been going on for a lot longer.
@@yeeyee5057 There's also teh fact that the Monkey King is sometimes described as a beastman, yet has occasionally come to the Flame Dragon's aid against Chaos, so he's clearly more 'civilized' than the beastmen of the Old World. I think their relationship can be summed up as, "Best Frienemies."
@@yeeyee5057 yeah, we dont know enough yet but I'd describe him as WHF's Tibet
They're boyfriends! :V
Those Cathay maps are eye candy, looking forward to Warhammer 3s release
No ratmen in sewers! Nono manthing! Just squeak-lie drug hallucinations.
As a child of Chinese descent, I cannot be happier to get (any) lore for Cathay! If I do break my long-standing policy on not spending money on video games and got TW: WHIII, this would easily be my main faction. I just wonder now if 40K has something similar. Something like Vostroya and the Vostroyan Firstborn (themed around Russian culture), except for Chinese culture, maybe? I'm more than satisfied with just Cathay, though.
This game has the Kislevites.
How about them for fantasy Russians?
I think White Scars are as close as you'll get for 40K, which is more "Yuan Dynasty" at best, but you can make your own chapter descended from the White Scars that is heavily Chinese themed, it would be awesome to see on the tabletop! Get creative!
@@JCDenton3 This right here. The galaxy is a big place, and many Chapters of Astartes and legions of the Guard go unsung. Make your own if you want!
The White Scars are awesome steppe nomad warriors which you can use but personally I think its a rather crude path to map onto China itself. Frankly, the excellent statesmen like qualities of the ultramarines or the defensive and implacable imperial fists would be far better chapters to make a successor descent from as their traits are more closely aligned with the majestry of previous chinese dynasties.
Same story here! It's nice to see some representation in games where I don't need to pretend or customize a character to look Chinese or remotely Asian lol.
And yeah, 40k doesn't have much for China outside the White Scars and maybe the Eldar who both take notes. Although the White Scars are very much Mongolian and not even Yuan Dynasty so your mileage may vary.
For the people saying that they are Chinese, I can assure you that titles like Khan and Keshig are not originally Chinese. It would be like saying you can just use the British to represent Americans because America was a British colony historically, replacing the Minutemen with Redcoats and calling it a day. Close enough in the loosest sense but also definitely not correct
it's just me or Cathay look like a truly stable nation in the Warhammer Fantasy world
Bro it is. I used to think that if I was in this world I would rather live in the Empire(Sigmar's Empire) than Bretonnia my favorite faction because they mistreat their people. I, at least would have a chance in the empire xD. But then again they do frequently deal with civil wars, undead, vampires, beastmen,etc and ofc chaos if they invade. Cathay seems to be the most secured nation out of all nations in warhammer. Second is probably the wood elves nation.
@@D-sQU1NTER nah, take the high elves they live forever and honestly have the most piece, since there many wars are over sutch a long time, there only problem is that there dying out
@@D-sQU1NTER Hear hear
@@D-sQU1NTER Aside from the skaven vermintide,the orge kingdoms and the forces of chaos all around them
Cathay and Japan are the 2 nations that use the actual real world name in this fantasy world :p
God bless CA for making Cathay into a playable faction rather than the offscreen Titan that they were before. It’s a real show of GW’s faith that they allowed this to happen, and clearly CA did not disappoint. Cathay’s lore is really fun!
CA didn't make that lore, it's based on the unreleased core book Cathay is gonna get in Warhammer the old world.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 then GW did something positive for the first time in a long time :P
@@notasmith8163 I think they did have lore a long time ago, back in the old days of warhammer fantasy when GW still cared about the tabletop game.
I am a bit annoyed that they didn't try to make Tilea and Estalia playable factions, I could see potential there, or Araby for that matter
@@AeneasGemini Old Cathay lore was basically just a bunch of rumors and exotic tales in the p&p roleplaying game. Like, it was perhaps a page or two total.
Screw GW.
The Grand Cathay have to be my top favorite Warhammer Fantasy faction. I just love everything about them.
This is amazing! I never knew anything of he or factions like this until now and wondered if one day Games Workshop will produce this army to fit in the age of Sigmar.
Age of Sigmar has cut anything that had personality of It's own from their universe after the End Times, all in fear of "stereotypes". Everything they do now is generic, but they will keep using old characters to sell the whole thing. Is really sad for me, that only came to know these characters years after the reboot, to see how things were better before.
They're actually rebooting the Old World fantasy setting, abd Cathay is gonna be one of the factions
@@josephdeguzman3829 In theory it's a nice idea, in practice, I'm not going to build up expectations. The best thing to do is wait and see how they try to play it
God I hope not.
@@bigbangrafa8435 you clearly don’t play tabletop or know anything of the lore outside of what some little angry ‘lore’ (reading off of the Warhammer wiki) RUclipsr tells you. Like I played 40k since 2004 and played fantasy for a few years before AoS. Try actually looking into AoS and the armies nowadays before seething. it’s far from generic if anything it’s 100x less generic than fantasy was and I loved fantasy since I had Druchii, Asrai and empire armies to prove it.
But hmm yes the Lumineth and Idoneth are so generic in comparison to the Azur or Empire. Like you say AoS is generic when most of the old lore was based on real world places just fantasies… which you know… is pretty generic.
Like seriously the AoS haters really need to grow up like you can still buy most of the old fantasy models (as they are useable in AoS) and they’ll be releasing new lines soon and no it wasn’t ‘better’ back in the day. The end times were certainly terrible but since AoS found it’s footing it’s comparable to the height of fantasy, nostalgia for something you didn’t have really can cloud your opinion like old lore was only ‘better’ because people just pick and chose the bits they preferred and ignored all the cheesy bits they hated.
Edit: not to mention pretty much 80% of the Cathay lore is new and is made to the fit with the new old world line of models they’ll be doing. It’s not AoS it’s still fantasy… because fantasy is still a thing… people seem to forget that.
Edit Edit: it’s also well known amongst TT players that AoS wasn’t implemented because ‘stereotypes’ or whatever nonsense you’ve read it’s because they could trademark everything in AoS whilst fantasy it was a lot harder as it was all generic.
These are absolutely some of the best warhammer lore videos I've ever seen! Fantastic work, I hope you'll continue making these
All Hail the -Man- Dragon Emperor of Mankind!!!
Another Video to ease my Stress on my Homeworks! Thank you so much Templin, you truly are a Stress Giver and a Lifesaver! 💓 I love you and I thank you for Everything that you and your Organisation are Doing, Dedicating your Duties for the Other Alternate Timelines of Humanity! 💓
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I'm super into the Warhammer Fantasy setting. I really like all the armies-- it's full of crazy, insane fantasy whatevers everywhere, yet at the same time models and the vibe is so very grounded. I love this setting and I hope it gets some more GW love!
It seem this is the best kingdom to live Warhammer fantasy
Never knew about this faction. Very interesting lore. Keep up the good work.
Marco Polare.... Sometimes warhammer lore isn't even trying XD
bro, the god the warhammer version of japan prays to is named after a japanese car
@@nathanielclaw2841no. It's literally named after the Japanese word for Japan
the fireworks shows Cathay has almost makes the trip worth it. Almost.
So basically they are the fantasy version of China. Mythology and fantasy about that real nation mixed together and cranked up to 11
Yes.
Every Warhammer fantasy nation is "Fantasy Version of X"
@@AeneasGemini very true. Good point.
fun fact, you can find real world Chinese company using the name of Cathay :p.
You forgot to mention one thing: what's with all the floating rocks?
a wizard did it
Fantastic video as always.
Y'all are killing me that you still haven't made on of these for the kingdoms of Ulthuan.
This video was an AMAZING video, especially love all the shots you guys took
Goddamn Mongorians - the Celestial Dragon Emperor
No it's "Goddamn Hobgoblins - the Celestial Emperor"
They did such a good job with this faction.
It's probably 25% of their customer base. They better did
Glory to Grand Cathay, glory to the Dragon Emperor!
In a world conquered by undead soldiers commanded by vampires, Orks, Giant Bears, and literal real life Demons:
"You saw a Dragon? PPPPFFFTTTT oKaY!!! lmao, I'll see you guys later, I gotta deal with a dwarves who are mining under gigantic mammoth carcasses."
Catay has an amazing lore and this vídeo has been one of the best you guys ever made.
Fuck… this hyped me up to play grand Cathay
Bout to say "No gunpowder? Srsly?", and then there they are, the explosive beauties.
8:11 it's sun wukong the king of hyperactivity
I really hope AOS takes a read out of Old chinese civil war books and add them here, stuff like the An Lushan civil war fits right at home in this world
Speaking of AoS, one must wonder if the Celestial Dragons and/or their children had survived The End Times (much as we wish to never talk about that).
If they did, would they someday find the Mortal Realms and play a part in the eternal struggle? Maybe even forged a Realm of their own - a new battlefield for the greater powers.
The coming quasi-WHFB reboot Warhammer: The Old World will include Grand Cathay as a playable faction with their own army book and minitiatures. GW actually took lead in designing them alongside CA during the development of Warhammer:Total War 3.
They only predate the Old Ones arrival, they *do not* predate the existence of the Old Ones.
Hope to see a video on the Norsca. Thank you. 👍
This is just great! Can't get enough of these videos. Keep em coming, please:)
Super excited for this
Cathayan dragons: ancient magical mysterious scale-y serpent-like divine creatures.
Sotek: ancient magical mysterious scale-y serpent-like divine creature.
Could the lizardmen’s gods, the old ones, actually be related to or even same species as the Cathayan dragons?
Imagine if they did Liyue Harbour--
Gah! Sorry, I was daydreaming again
Both nations fought an interdimensional war over who is the better China, only for Zhong Xina to appear and annihilate them from orbit for failing social credit test.
I will not lie, I would like to see Templin cover Liyue or Mondstadt. However, if the above reply comment is anything to go by, any video on Genshin Impact (or any gacha game for that matter, especially Chinese-made ones) will be swarmed by hostility for several reasons. So this may well remain a daydream.
you can make this mod yourself, since somebody already made waifu mod for Miaoying :p
Really hope we get some books set in Grand Cathay, especially about the wars with the monkey king. With Warhammer the Old World coming out soon, it’s definitely a possibility
Should have table top.
I would love to see contact between grand cathay and the empire
Do one of the Changeling for either Warhammer Fantasy or 40k.
20:48 No wonder Cathay endures invasion after invasion... There. Are. So. Many. Stairs.
Kung Fu Panda.
Could you do the Hive from Destiny, since the Witch Queen comes out in a week?
Nah destiny is shit
Minor correction at 7:34, Yin-Yin is a woman
Basically what Cathay Pacifics aspires to become :xD.
I really enjoy your videos, especially those about Star Trek and Star Wars. Can you please make some videos about the Robotech franchise such as the Robotech Defense Force, the Zentradi, United Earth Government, the Southern Cross and the Invid?
TI never fails to amaze me
Can you please look at the Hobgoblin Khanate? They sound super interesting
All we need now is the ogre kingdoms and slannesh
Why did no one tell me that Sun Wukong is in Warhammer?
hey sun wukong is in warhammer!
This is kinda a weird one but can you look into the peacekeepers from dying light 2.
That warp stone desert is basically the Skaven holy land
Grand Cathay vs the Humongous Karen?
"1 in 10 trade caravans make it back". Presumably 1 in 5 make it one way but not the other in the best case scenario. But even still, how would this ever be profitable or viable as a trading system?
Crazy high prices.
cause to the dragons humans are worthless tools
Wait, they finally decided to write some proper lore for Cathay at GW?!
Well, took them only 30 years and the End Times to do it.....
Better late than never, I guess.
They actually did have proper lore, way back in the when times when they first came up with the idea for the faction (they even had models), but they were basically abandoned as a faction so the fell by the wayside (essentially forgotten)
I want more about the Monkey King! 🐒 👑
So useful thanx, can't wait for the Monkey King DLC.
All we need in India and Japan knockoffs and the east map will feel complete. Imagine warrior monks that fight with martial arts and 2 headed giant elephants and multi arm warriors.
Well, there is, to the east of Grand Cathay, the island nation of Nippon ( the name for Japan in the past and used by the modern day Japenese themselves) and the Kingdom(s) of Ind in the roughly southwest to south of Grand Cathay.
All we know of Nippon is there are there are Samurai and the Skaven Clan Eshin learned the how to be Ninjas from them.
As for Ind, it is called the, "Land of 1,000 gods." And is filled with so many Indian flavored themes of Beastmen.
Ind and Nippon are both countries in Warhammer... so, they've already got that covered
RESPECT THE EMPRAH!
Yo can you do adeptus mechanicus ?
tell me you're playing ancient China without telling me you're playing ancient China
Can't wait for Nippon and their jacked up Yari Ashigaru
LOVE IT!
So anyone want to bet they are going to bring in the Nippon Factions in the first DLC and learn the way of the warriors
They probaly bring chaos dwarves first.
they already said they don't have any plans with nippon
I'd honestly prefer that they do proper factions for Tilea and/or Estalia, proper mercenary factions would be great. I'd also love some stuff for Araby, that place has deep lore and some interesting magic, would be good to see it in play
@@AeneasGemini well my buddy is stepping out of his comfort zone with the total war series because I hope they add Nippon for him because he a big fan of Shogunate 2
@@AeneasGemini I’m sick and tired of Euro factions they better focus on eastern factions if I want to play a euro faction I’ll play my beloved brettonia, and if I’m feeling silly I’ll play as uncouth empire, barbaric Kislev or the infidel norsca.
Here be dragons
...sorry, but those maps are BEAUTIFUL! I don't know how they will play, but I half don't care. This is EVERYTHING I ever wanted from Warhammer, how can I object? Like: (History + Fantasy) * 10 or something. And tone down the amount of skulls, come on, it is edgy 13y old stuff. I am alright with them being ample in, idk, Chaos Wastes or something, but not EVERYWHERE!
Regardless, the art team really outdid themselves here!
6:01 What? A city whose name includes the particle "nan" (meaning South) capital of the NORTHERN provinces?
I think its tied to the fact its South of the wall.
Idea:
Golden Empire of Yi Ti | A Song of Ice and Fire
Is this the fantasy version of the Tau?
No
Mushu (character) lives in a world where the Emperor is a "supercomputer robot" who does all the work.
(We've come a long way!)
can you guys do TEC from sins of a solar empire?
Excellent video although I think the Sea Dragon is a woman? Although she is also known as the Lord of the Eastern Provinces which is interesting!
Fire,Jade,Sea,Storm and Iron Dragons wow 😲😳 I wonder 🤔 what else they have
Thank you the English subtitle.
Awesome video!
Sooo.... China, if magic were real?
I know I'm late, but does anyone know the soundtrack used in the background?
Mmm glorious content
how do i find more lore on this??? there has to be games or books?
Love the Warhammer content
“Elves can suck it, Cathay number 1!” - Cathay nationalist
I truly believe the Monkey King was an effective leader, and his downfall if just Dragon propaganda.
Wait on one in ten go there and return but less ever get there what does that mean?
Never make a deal with a dragon, chummer.
...Sorry, wrong universe.
Null sheen, omae.
i like to think this is a old one data base
Temple Institute please do the Kingdom Of Araby my favorite nation