Is it achievable? And that is what sets Fantasy and 40k aside. It is my fear that they'll bring Fantasy and 40k too close to each other. Fantasy really should be different, hell it could even exist without Chaos!
@@goransekulic3671 is ordinary life achievable in WH fantasy's world ? Hell maybe , but it will be extremely hard , unless the Empire invents modern firearms and tanks/jets , getting raided and invaded constantly is a big hurdle for a normal life , also fantasy's empire doesn't have the numerous manpower that 40k have.
@@podlodialgilap3490 Depends on how you define "normal life". Warhammer roughly follows our historic outline, so...contrary to what GW would want you to think, there are actually huge swathes of nothing happening. But that doesn't sell anything, so let's forget about that. Also, GW is constantly reworking their factions and the overall atmosphere(and even history / timeline!), so...this also depends on the codex version you are referencing. Part of the charm of 4th or 5th edition was that you had access to most things, things weren't as serious or grim as they are nowadays. And, as always, GW themselves used to tell that the way they see Warhammer world etc is only a suggestion. So, if you want to change something, feel free to do it. Me? I'd first change Norsca by splitting it into North and South. Basically Chaos Warriors and Norscan Kingdoms. And that'd be lore accurate, it's just that they forgot about one of those halves after 6th.
@@podlodialgilap3490 Humans are easily the most populous of the Order's species behind the orks (whom are behind the skaven) so theres still a shitload of reserve within the population to face off the forces of evil with.
@@ГлебЧерепанов-з3ч "And Remember, I AM YOUR GOD" "So If I stop believing in you you will stop forcing us to play baby games and go away." "Hah, you should know by now that's not how things work."
@@petercaballero4880 The Empire of Man is a civilization that is growing and advancing, while the Imperium of Man is a civilization that was once great, but has fallen so far from that greatness
I like how much of a contrast the WHF Empire is to its 40k counterpart. Sigmar's empire is a cosmopolitan, enlightened (by the standards of the age) and forward-looking nation, and its people live safer, healthier and happier lives in the late-medieval/early-modern setting than the people of the Imperium do in the far future.
Indedd. And both have merits in terms of storytelling. As I mentioned, I'd like to have first rate writer pen a trilogy of Great Crusade Era and 40M Space Marines detachment with Inquistior, decen Psycher dropped into WHF.
Yes and when facing the horrors of the orcs, chaos and skaven (tyranids in 40k i guess?) they dont have superhumans with 2 hearts and 3 lungs wrapped in powered armor and firing bolters to defeat the enemies of Man.... they have ordinary humans holding the line... and the routinely win!
@@corvus2512 Well for starters you can't really compare the Skaven to the Tyrandis. The later is a hive mind working in unison as one being. Where as the former is pretty much the opposite with all the betrayals, backstabbing and killing their own minions, not to mention the sheer incompetency of said minions they suffer from, at times.
My favorite voice line for the Empire in Total War Warhammer is “FIGHT MEN! FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE!” It had a lot of meaning for me when I resisted the chaos invasion. In my head canon, End Times ended in good guy victory.
Head canon? It already did! Read Storm of Chaos. "End Times" was a hissy fit retcon by GW, who wanted to throw out the setting and sell new models, so they rushed the setting into total defeat via bullshit and then declared it "canon". It isn't. It's pathetic.
@@reidparker1848 The way GW handled Storm of Chaos was a fiasco of the highest order, even worse than the End Times in my opinion, because back then, they conciously ignored the results and pretended chaos had won all along while the End Times was not a contest from the very beginning. And all that after all that hue and cry of how the players could finally affect the setting meaningfully etc. Imagine if they had indeed made a new setting like Age of Sigmar, but set in a Warhammer world where the good guys had WON? Not only they would keep their word but they also had a goldmine in their hands, a world of endless possibility. They could even insert a new "big bad" faction to replace same old- same old Chaos. Sometimes it is a wonder how they still can maintain their company with all these really dumb decisions they take...
@@TheTeKuZa pretty sure they are Toyota's. There were 12 originally made 200 years ago, each of them blew up at least once in that time and yet 2/3rds still work. That's a Toyota if I've ever seen one
Everything in the Warhammer Fantasy world is something in our real world on steroids (except the high elves, which is based on Atlantis, unless you believe Atlantis is real of course). Norsca is Norwegians. Lustria or the Lizardmen, are Meso-Americans. Kieslev is Russia. Tomb Kings are Egyptians. And so on and so on.
I'll be honest, The Empire might just be my favorite fictional nation. They have so much history, cultural and religious diversity, and, well, humanity. In a medium full of the Planet of Hats trope, the Empire is an actually diverse nation with loads of beliefs, lifestyles and economies. They have so much depth in history, tradition and culture, and while they're propped up as Mankind's greatest nation and hope, they are still torn apart by common human flaws like greed and ambition. It's just amazing, and I love playing as them wherever they appear. For Heldenhammer!
thats the biggest reason i prefer old fantasy over 40k, is that the world and particularly humanity felt like it was a real culture. 40k just feels like a hodgepodge of stereotypes and will never be allowed to actually receive damage or danger by the writers. the imperium, and especially space marines, have obvious plot armor and don't feel grounded. the empire of man however? on multiple occasions in its history its had huge threats, both external and within. the ancient wars against nagash, and the vampire wars especially actually threatened the empire's heart. it actually gets people involved with the stakes and people involved in the empire's history. this rule of being more grounded applies to a lot of things in old fantasy and i really miss it. AOS is cool but we already had 40k for the over the top magical stuff, we don't really have a more down to earth personal setting anymore. i miss my peasant stories of people just trying to do their best to survive both human and eldritch threats.
Not really, the Empire of Man is more technically innovative than the Imperium, but they are well behind the Dwarves and the Skaven in technology and much of the Empire, certainly the ordinary people are wretchedly poor, the Empire of Man has its own Inquisition and they are under attack from all sides, with large parts of the countryside left to the Beastmen and they have the Skaven literally in the sewers under most Imperial cities
@@TheRexnihil86 Skaven are a thing in 40k, just not on tabletop sadly. I'd love to see the WHFB races return at some point tho. Imagine Codex: Hrud, Codex: Squats or Codex: Slann, those would be lovely
In Total War Warhammer 2, each unit has voice lines if you click on them. By far my favorite are the Empire’s state troops, specifically the line, “The Empire Endures!” It shows that this empire has existed for hundreds of years, and that just taking a step away from the brink of ruin is a reason for cheering.
"The mountains that ring the three sides of the natural lands of the Empire are like the walls of a stout castle. These days, however, those walls are so thinly manned that the castle looks set to fall" -- Albert Kornhammer, Priest of Sigmar
"...a nation of men at its heart, a bastion of hope and courage: the Empire. Led by the craven, torn apart by the greedy, weakened and exposed, forever on the defence. But no longer. "
Honestly I think that the early modern/gunpowder era fantasy aesthetic is really interesting and Warhammer Fantasy does it pretty well. A lot of fantasy staples like plate armor and taverns were actually invented in the gunpowder era, and a lot of fantasy kingdoms seem much more centralized and bureaucratic than is appropriate for a "medieval" state.
Gunpowder wasn't nearly the revolution we are often told it was. There was an period of around 200 years between gunpowder being first used and it becoming the main tool of war. That's pretty much the same time as the beginning of the industrial revolution to today.
Though it's important to not generalize the 'medieval' state as there was a lot of differences. The Byzantine empire was fairly centralized and some of the kingdoms like Burgundy and Saxony were as well. However the idea of what a "state" is wasn't as defined back then. Today because of the British empire and it's off-spring the American empire the constitutional republican model of government has been spread around the world and has become the standard. But at this point in time this wasn't the case. You had centralized states, merchant republics, horde groups, decentralized feudal kingdoms, city alliances, large confederations and more. There wasn't any real consensus as to what a "state" is supposed to be organized and the only thing that defines it is borders and taxes and even then these could be in flux with many. Our idea of a decentralized medieval state is based mainly on France and England but while they were this way many other states in Europe were different.
@@MrMarinus18 Sort of, but once the matchlock arquebus is developed in the later 15th century, bows/crossbows go away pretty quickly, due to firearms having a ton of advantages. By 1550, bows/crossbows were mostly gone from European armies.
Warhammer 40K is brimming with misery, and while there's no shortage of it in the Fantasy world, there's still that little glimmer that things *will* get better in time. There's hope. We don't talk about End Times.
Always bugs me when people call WHFB grimdark, it only appears grimdark because WH40K is so successful. Otherwise WHFB is far more nobledark than anything.
@@spiffygonzales5899 I talk about the End times cause it brought about AOS, my favorite setting of the three. The End times were handled poorly but we've got to accept they happened and try and make something better out of the rubble, which GW did with AOS and I think the Fans should do with videos like this
Now is the time, men of the Empire, to unite for we face our ultimate foe! As Sigmar fought so shall we, but should we survive this day we shall become part of the Legend. For Sigmar! For the Empire! For the Warhammer!
"Summon the elector counts!" "Bro it's, like, 4 in the morning. What could you possibly need?" "I need help opening this jar of pickles." "... Every damn night. I can't believe I put up with this shit."
Normal People: Listen to music on their way to/from work! Me: "Now playing" Empire of Man | Warhammer Fantasy. The Templin Institute. goosebumps for days man!
PavarottiAardvark I'm not overly familiar with warhammer fantasy outside of some parodies and the iron ork, I'm more knowledgeable about 40k so I would be very grateful if you could explain what in sigmars balls kind of services a dwarf could provide an elf aside from demonstrating the use of a battle axe?
@@dionwoollaston5717 A WHFB unit not yet in Total War (alas alak!) Was "Long Drong's Slayer Prates", a bunch of slayers who were pirates (duh) who charged HUGE rate for the service of going to dangerous places and recovering items. Mercenaries work for anyone really. Finubar (the Pheonix King before Tyrion) was a skilled diplomat who treated with Dwarfs often. In the Gotrek and Felix novels, they occasionally work with elves. The Ubersreik Five contain both a dwarf and an Elf, presumably they don't murder each other a lot. Following the events of Storm of Chaos, Dwarf and Elf relations thawed a bit. Elf ambassadors were allowed inside dwarf halls before being told to gak off.
Ah, the ultimate "Humanity, fuck yeah!" faction. As crazy as the Warhammer world is, nothing feels as impressive as regular old humans who manage to survive in it. Btw the person who wrote the script should probably check what "regency" means.
I'd love to see a video on belief in Warhammer, especially the Imperial Pantheon and various Cults within the Empire. It's a very unique element of the setting and one that can actually be quite hard to understand when first approaching the setting
Fantasy settings are always so cool. You can play as these fantastical races in these unique settings. But videos like these are the ones that make me feel incredibly proud.
Feel free to use the present tense :) Kirbyhammer isn't legitimate lore anyway. Storm of Chaos will always be the true timeline, not that insulting, character-assassinating, bullshit-lore-inventing, retcon-filled, comically grimdark "End Times". Screw Games Workshop.
AOS has its merits but honestly yeah. they removed the toned down grounded atmosphere of fantasy and turned the power levels up to 11 and gave everything a bit more high fantasy feel, which kinda sucks. i like the grounded peasant stories of fantasy. if i wanted over the top gods on the battlefield type vibe i'd go to 40k
When the sun rests, and the world is dark, and the great fires are lit, and the ale is poured into flagons, then it is time to sing sagas as the Dwarfs do. And the greatest saga is the saga of Sigmar, mightiest warrior. Harken now, hear these words, and live in hope.
@@DzinkyDzink Empire State troops would literally be 18th or 19th century infantry. I imagine that in this steampunk timeline, the elector counts are in Middenland and would be analogous to real life Prussia while Reikland would be Austria.
It would be a shame if Chaos ever succeeded in destroying the world, and then it was replaced with a new world that wasn't half as interesting, wouldn't it?
Yeah, it's a good thing that didn't happen. I love reading Storm of Chaos (without the dumb Grimgor bit at the end) and Nemesis Crown. I can only wonder how the world looks after that. WHFRP 2nd edition is nice, though.
@@reidparker1848 still glad grimgor got a proper send off in end times even if most end times lore is crap. giving the everchosen that is currently ending the world a run for his money to the point he panics and has to activate a greater demon in his sword to win is a pretty badass end to grimgor even if i wish he was still around. still the best ork around TBH grimgor would probably destroy ghazghkull in 40k if they ever met.
I am so glad creative assembly keeps this setting alive in their alternate timeline videogame. The end times never happened. Or they can if you lose the campaign lol
"Sticking with the 6th edition lore is an alternate timeline" Kirbyhammer isn't legitimate lore anyway. Storm of Chaos will always be the true timeline, not that insulting, character-assassinating, bullshit-lore-inventing, retcon-filled, comically grimdark "End Times". Screw Games Workshop and their new writers, they dropped Rick Priestly from his own setting and did everything they could to retcon the lore in preparation for torching it. Even 8th edition TT is a wreck.
And he failed. The God-King stands defiant. The Empire persists, if not by name then by spirit. None, not even our own kin, can snuff out the spirit of man
All things that humans need in WH universe to survive are Faith, Steel, Gunpowder and Steam. I love them for that. LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR (not meat puppet or corpse one) KARL FRANZ!!!!!!
While the Ending of the Old War was much reviled it did have one particularly good scene... During the fanatically losing battle against Chaos and Karl Franz missing, the decision was made to grant OG Vampire count Van Carstein legal authority to be the Elector Count of Slyvania to gain his aid. Later on during a big boss battle, a reenergized Karl Franz would come back and regard this Vampire Lord. These two titans probably sizing each other up and then making a mental note to deal with each other AFTER chaos is defeated. Because the Empire comes first.
The end times were the dream archaon had in his coma after karl franz whacked him in the head with gal muraz. The old world never fell and aos is it's own unrelated setting.
FOR SIGMAAAAAAAR!!!! At some point you do have to imagine a scene with some random Empire officer riding on a steam tank while shouting, "Drive me closer! I wish to strike them down with my sword!" Anyhow I've been expecting this video for a while. Will you do some entries on Age of Sigmar alongside more videos on the Empire of Man and the Old World?
@@MouldMadeMind No Ostermark. Under Hitler Austria was also called Ostmark. This means something like eastern Realm, because of that Austria and Australia are so similiar.
The Time of Three Emperors was closer to 800 years. Magnus the Pious essentially did a (much more successful) Charlemagne. If Charlemagne had also incorporated the Eastern Roman Empire into his refounded Empire.
No one is putting a gun to our heads and forcing us to acknowledge it. Storm of Chaos and Nemesis Crown will always be the true "ending". Drop the "bittersweet"; spit in GW's face. They're losers.
The fact that it all happens on one world breaks the immersion for me. I am more of a scifi fan than a fantasy fan so that might have something to do with it. Both are still awesome though
Yeah I got to say I’m a pretty big fan of all forms of Warhammer but 40 K is by far my favorite followed by fantasy the necromunda then age of Sigmor I guess
Which it kinda was in some of the old lore, where sigmar contained a shard of the emperor and the fantasy world was in a realtively safe bubble in the eye of terror
SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS TO OUR TWITCH CHANNEL. www.twitch.tv/templininstitute
Great video, and love the channel.
Would you consider doing a video about the world of Mortal Engines?
THIS ACTION DOES NOT HAVE MY CONSENT.
Baltazhar guilet : I am supreme
Please explain wolfenstein nazies
@@farbodlashkari1345 More evil and stupid than the regular ones.
-*Loads Bolt Pistol* FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
-Dude, wrong franchise
-Ah, my apologies
-*Loads crossbow* FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!
@@spiffygonzales5899 *loads laser crossbow* For the God King?
Loads lizard for Godzilla
-*Loads organ gun* FOR THE HIGH KING!
For Sigmar!!
(Levels halberd)
For the Emperor!
*For the Emperor*
[comment applicable across several realities].
Yes
Well 2. If you said God-King it would've been 3
And for the battlefleet Gothic! (less apllicable but still makes the stars tremble)
Which Emperor?
Aye it does
The great thing about the Empire is it's an nation of ordinary men built on the dream of an ordinary life in a world of gods of demons.
Is it achievable? And that is what sets Fantasy and 40k aside. It is my fear that they'll bring Fantasy and 40k too close to each other. Fantasy really should be different, hell it could even exist without Chaos!
@@goransekulic3671 is ordinary life achievable in WH fantasy's world ? Hell maybe , but it will be extremely hard , unless the Empire invents modern firearms and tanks/jets , getting raided and invaded constantly is a big hurdle for a normal life , also fantasy's empire doesn't have the numerous manpower that 40k have.
@@podlodialgilap3490 Depends on how you define "normal life". Warhammer roughly follows our historic outline, so...contrary to what GW would want you to think, there are actually huge swathes of nothing happening. But that doesn't sell anything, so let's forget about that.
Also, GW is constantly reworking their factions and the overall atmosphere(and even history / timeline!), so...this also depends on the codex version you are referencing. Part of the charm of 4th or 5th edition was that you had access to most things, things weren't as serious or grim as they are nowadays.
And, as always, GW themselves used to tell that the way they see Warhammer world etc is only a suggestion. So, if you want to change something, feel free to do it. Me? I'd first change Norsca by splitting it into North and South. Basically Chaos Warriors and Norscan Kingdoms. And that'd be lore accurate, it's just that they forgot about one of those halves after 6th.
@@podlodialgilap3490
Humans are easily the most populous of the Order's species behind the orks (whom are behind the skaven) so theres still a shitload of reserve within the population to face off the forces of evil with.
Poetically said
"Three things make The Empire great: Faith, Steel and Gunpowder"
- Magnus the Pious, the Emperor of Man
HELDENHAMMER!!!
WELCOME TO ESTALIA GENTLEMEN!!!
"You only have one of those things and not a whole lot of it"
- another Magnus, a bad GM
@@ГлебЧерепанов-з3ч SPITE THE GM!!!
@@ГлебЧерепанов-з3ч "And Remember, I AM YOUR GOD"
"So If I stop believing in you you will stop forcing us to play baby games and go away."
"Hah, you should know by now that's not how things work."
@@petercaballero4880 The Empire of Man is a civilization that is growing and advancing, while the Imperium of Man is a civilization that was once great, but has fallen so far from that greatness
THE DWARVES CALL FOR AID!
And the empire shall answer
SKAVENS CALL FOR AIDS!
@@TheTeKuZa Do not listen to the whispered lies of the Skaven. It's a trap. Kill them all! 😁
5 units of Reiklanders with a stray Mortar crew from Nuln arrive...
@@TheTeKuZa AND SLANEESH SHALL ANWER!
@@julonkrutor4649 they deserve it those disease ridden monsters
I like how much of a contrast the WHF Empire is to its 40k counterpart. Sigmar's empire is a cosmopolitan, enlightened (by the standards of the age) and forward-looking nation, and its people live safer, healthier and happier lives in the late-medieval/early-modern setting than the people of the Imperium do in the far future.
Indedd. And both have merits in terms of storytelling. As I mentioned, I'd like to have first rate writer pen a trilogy of Great Crusade Era and 40M Space Marines detachment with Inquistior, decen Psycher dropped into WHF.
Yes and when facing the horrors of the orcs, chaos and skaven (tyranids in 40k i guess?) they dont have superhumans with 2 hearts and 3 lungs wrapped in powered armor and firing bolters to defeat the enemies of Man.... they have ordinary humans holding the line... and the routinely win!
@@corvus2512 Well for starters you can't really compare the Skaven to the Tyrandis. The later is a hive mind working in unison as one being. Where as the former is pretty much the opposite with all the betrayals, backstabbing and killing their own minions, not to mention the sheer incompetency of said minions they suffer from, at times.
@@drafezard7315 that wasnt really the point of the comment but ok
@@corvus2512 You were praising the Empire for holding their own against the same threat as the Imperium of man. Even though that is not the case.
"BE AT PEACE, FOR THAT IS ALL I EVER WANTED!"
NO PEACE, JUST WAR.
@@thelordchancellor3454 you bloody Norscan
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 The Emperor Karl Franz literally says that line... he's no Norscan you filthy heretic!
@@drafezard7315 are we sure? Do we have any proof he was born in the empire?
Summon the elector counts!!
*T H I S A C T I O N D O E S N O T H A V E M Y C O N S E N T*
GLORY TO MAGNUS!
Summon the shit out of ‘em.
@@johndanes2294 This action does have my consent!
I have heard the summon!
My favorite voice line for the Empire in Total War Warhammer is “FIGHT MEN! FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE!” It had a lot of meaning for me when I resisted the chaos invasion. In my head canon, End Times ended in good guy victory.
Head canon? It already did! Read Storm of Chaos. "End Times" was a hissy fit retcon by GW, who wanted to throw out the setting and sell new models, so they rushed the setting into total defeat via bullshit and then declared it "canon". It isn't. It's pathetic.
@@reidparker1848 The way GW handled Storm of Chaos was a fiasco of the highest order, even worse than the End Times in my opinion, because back then, they conciously ignored the results and pretended chaos had won all along while the End Times was not a contest from the very beginning. And all that after all that hue and cry of how the players could finally affect the setting meaningfully etc. Imagine if they had indeed made a new setting like Age of Sigmar, but set in a Warhammer world where the good guys had WON? Not only they would keep their word but they also had a goldmine in their hands, a world of endless possibility. They could even insert a new "big bad" faction to replace same old- same old Chaos. Sometimes it is a wonder how they still can maintain their company with all these really dumb decisions they take...
"Only 8 Steam Tanks remain"
My 2 TWW doomstack armies: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that"
also the "unreliable" hellstormrockets batteries are very reliable imo.
@@wrathofkorven of course. as a Sun Tzu once said in his art of DA WAAAGH!: "If you hit everything, you cant miss."
Well 12. But 4 aren't currently working
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 should've bought Toyotas
@@TheTeKuZa pretty sure they are Toyota's. There were 12 originally made 200 years ago, each of them blew up at least once in that time and yet 2/3rds still work. That's a Toyota if I've ever seen one
THE NATION CALLS!!!
HUZZAH
THE EMPIRE
WHO CALLS?!?
@@Tech-Kaplan-Kali The emperor, Karl Franz!
@Chris George you are truly a elector count. Burning cities i sleep. Bandits killing farmer i sleep. Farmer not paying taxes i rise.
So basicaly, it is the HRE on steroids.
Sigmar is just Charles the Great, but again, on steroids.
Everything in the Warhammer Fantasy world is something in our real world on steroids (except the high elves, which is based on Atlantis, unless you believe Atlantis is real of course).
Norsca is Norwegians.
Lustria or the Lizardmen, are Meso-Americans.
Kieslev is Russia.
Tomb Kings are Egyptians.
And so on and so on.
@@Tommy9834 kislev is poland wich coqered bohemia.
@@Tommy9834 Bretonnia is Medieval France and England combined. Powerful longbows and devastating cavalry.
Stalia is Spain with their inquisitions
Well that is what happens when history nerds create a dark fantasy world
I'll be honest, The Empire might just be my favorite fictional nation. They have so much history, cultural and religious diversity, and, well, humanity. In a medium full of the Planet of Hats trope, the Empire is an actually diverse nation with loads of beliefs, lifestyles and economies. They have so much depth in history, tradition and culture, and while they're propped up as Mankind's greatest nation and hope, they are still torn apart by common human flaws like greed and ambition. It's just amazing, and I love playing as them wherever they appear.
For Heldenhammer!
thats the biggest reason i prefer old fantasy over 40k, is that the world and particularly humanity felt like it was a real culture. 40k just feels like a hodgepodge of stereotypes and will never be allowed to actually receive damage or danger by the writers. the imperium, and especially space marines, have obvious plot armor and don't feel grounded.
the empire of man however? on multiple occasions in its history its had huge threats, both external and within. the ancient wars against nagash, and the vampire wars especially actually threatened the empire's heart. it actually gets people involved with the stakes and people involved in the empire's history.
this rule of being more grounded applies to a lot of things in old fantasy and i really miss it. AOS is cool but we already had 40k for the over the top magical stuff, we don't really have a more down to earth personal setting anymore. i miss my peasant stories of people just trying to do their best to survive both human and eldritch threats.
For Sigmar! For the Empire! For the Warhammer!
For the Heldenhammer!
For Karl Franz!
WAAAAAAAGH YES-YES!
For the Emperor!!!!!!!!!!
Es lebe der König der Götter und es lebe der Kaiser !
Our cousins to the south!
By Faith and Steel, our dear cousins have always rallied to our side.
For the Warhammer!
From Kislev. With Love.
Ive dwelled into 40k lore for a while so wasnt expecting such positive contrast from Fantasy in terms of wealth and innovation
Not really, the Empire of Man is more technically innovative than the Imperium, but they are well behind the Dwarves and the Skaven in technology and much of the Empire, certainly the ordinary people are wretchedly poor, the Empire of Man has its own Inquisition and they are under attack from all sides, with large parts of the countryside left to the Beastmen and they have the Skaven literally in the sewers under most Imperial cities
@@weldonwin well... At least there's no Servitors
Not really... the empire is way better then 40k, do you know the aldoft clean act?
I always wished skaven were in 40k but their ridiculousness is somewhat relavent in the orks
@@TheRexnihil86 Skaven are a thing in 40k, just not on tabletop sadly. I'd love to see the WHFB races return at some point tho. Imagine Codex: Hrud, Codex: Squats or Codex: Slann, those would be lovely
Last time I was this early the Wessari were still fragmented nation states
Ah a fellow man of culture
In Total War Warhammer 2, each unit has voice lines if you click on them. By far my favorite are the Empire’s state troops, specifically the line, “The Empire Endures!” It shows that this empire has existed for hundreds of years, and that just taking a step away from the brink of ruin is a reason for cheering.
"Hundreds of years"
Try 2000 years and more.
Fight men ! Fight for our right to live !
Ulric’s teeth! Retreat!!
"We are Sigmar's heirs!"
Currently playing an Empire campaign and their voice lines are so badass.
SIGMAR BLESS THIS RAVAGED VIDEO
Holy Sigmar, ravage this blessed body!
These lads seem a lot less depressing than 40ks empire of man.
"The mountains that ring the three sides of the natural lands of the Empire are like the walls of a stout castle. These days, however, those walls are so thinly manned that the castle looks set to fall" -- Albert Kornhammer, Priest of Sigmar
"They can be found at the highest peaks and the deepest mines."
You better believe that's going into the book, manling.
Man you dwarves have a short temper
"...a nation of men at its heart, a bastion of hope and courage: the Empire. Led by the craven, torn apart by the greedy, weakened and exposed, forever on the defence. But no longer.
"
Boris "Fucking Toddy" Toddbringer is one of my favorite characters. Primarily because he is completely insane in his quest to kill Khazrak One-eye.
I think you mean his secret love affair with khazrak one eye🤣
Someone bring the artillery.
The HEAVY artillery.
Imperial Hellhammer cannon rolls up.
"The terrible Champions of the Chaos Gods"
Be fair; Sigvald's a lot better after the last patch.
I am Karl Franz.
Many call me Emperor.
As I hold Ghal-Maraz, you may kneel.
I am a sucker for warhammer lore, both fantasy and 40k, and i must say this video is probably the highest quality video i've watched on the Empire.
"This Action has my consent"
-Karl Franz, upon seeing this video
Honestly I think that the early modern/gunpowder era fantasy aesthetic is really interesting and Warhammer Fantasy does it pretty well.
A lot of fantasy staples like plate armor and taverns were actually invented in the gunpowder era, and a lot of fantasy kingdoms seem much more centralized and bureaucratic than is appropriate for a "medieval" state.
I know, right? The Renaissance/Early Modern period is a *very* underused setting for fantasy.
Gunpowder wasn't nearly the revolution we are often told it was. There was an period of around 200 years between gunpowder being first used and it becoming the main tool of war. That's pretty much the same time as the beginning of the industrial revolution to today.
Though it's important to not generalize the 'medieval' state as there was a lot of differences. The Byzantine empire was fairly centralized and some of the kingdoms like Burgundy and Saxony were as well.
However the idea of what a "state" is wasn't as defined back then. Today because of the British empire and it's off-spring the American empire the constitutional republican model of government has been spread around the world and has become the standard. But at this point in time this wasn't the case. You had centralized states, merchant republics, horde groups, decentralized feudal kingdoms, city alliances, large confederations and more. There wasn't any real consensus as to what a "state" is supposed to be organized and the only thing that defines it is borders and taxes and even then these could be in flux with many.
Our idea of a decentralized medieval state is based mainly on France and England but while they were this way many other states in Europe were different.
@@MrMarinus18 Sort of, but once the matchlock arquebus is developed in the later 15th century, bows/crossbows go away pretty quickly, due to firearms having a ton of advantages. By 1550, bows/crossbows were mostly gone from European armies.
@@MrMarinus18 *agrees vociferously in Renaissance Italy*
pre-endtimes Warhammer Fantasy has/had a much better balance of tone then 40k, which has a habit of overdoing the grimdark.
Warhammer 40K is brimming with misery, and while there's no shortage of it in the Fantasy world, there's still that little glimmer that things *will* get better in time. There's hope.
We don't talk about End Times.
It gets exhausting when everything is misery all the time. Misery is more interesting when it has something to be contrasted against.
Always bugs me when people call WHFB grimdark, it only appears grimdark because WH40K is so successful. Otherwise WHFB is far more nobledark than anything.
@@spiffygonzales5899 I talk about the End times cause it brought about AOS, my favorite setting of the three. The End times were handled poorly but we've got to accept they happened and try and make something better out of the rubble, which GW did with AOS and I think the Fans should do with videos like this
@@spiffygonzales5899 that's kinda what they are doing but people complain about it
"This action has my consent."-Karl Franz, probably.
Battle of Nolm?
Giant Ratmen?
Sounds like heresy!
*Nuln
We all know the ratmen are just a myth to scare children
Probably just some wired beastmen
Not like there’s some massive underground rat empire or anything
That would be crazy
Now is the time, men of the Empire, to unite for we face our ultimate foe! As Sigmar fought so shall we, but should we survive this day we shall become part of the Legend. For Sigmar! For the Empire! For the Warhammer!
This video is dedicated...
*TO THE EMPEROR*
To the Empire!
@@mr.jayjay2401 Yes brother! The emperor protects!
@@themasterchiefproductions Nay, Sigmar Protects!
@@the_corvid97 Agreed Brother!
"Summon the elector counts!"
"Bro it's, like, 4 in the morning. What could you possibly need?"
"I need help opening this jar of pickles."
"... Every damn night. I can't believe I put up with this shit."
Makes me happy that when people think Warhammer, this is what people think of, not Age of Sigmar.
Fuck AoS, but really!
Yep
Well this AND 40k
Don't get me wrong, I love aos but I am hyped to see the old world return
I bear Age of Sigmar no I’ll will, but I’ll never forgive GW for axing Warhammer Fantasy. Total War showed ‘em they shoulda kept it going, though.
HE TOOK MY F*CKING EYE!!!
CARDIO BEATS CHAOS
WERE IS HE!?
Normal People: Listen to music on their way to/from work!
Me: "Now playing" Empire of Man | Warhammer Fantasy. The Templin Institute.
goosebumps for days man!
I do enjoy the tiny references to the great hero Toddy!
If Franz could bring the Border Princes into line and use their cities as a production base... Oh boy!
Oh no. Na. The Border Princes are a way cooler faction on their own and they open a lot of options for players.
Having your production base bordering the badlands is just asking for trouble
Finally. This video about the glorious empire does have my consent!
THERE IT IS
Elves: "Urgh, belligerent, overpopulated, uncultured..."
Dwarf: "Yeah these Orcs are terrible"
Elves: "I was talking about humans...."
the first sentence might as well be the lizardmens view on everyone else
PavarottiAardvark utter ridiculousness, no way would a dwarf be chatting with an elf
@@dionwoollaston5717 Could be a Slayer Pirate charging an Elf exorbitant rates for his services....
PavarottiAardvark I'm not overly familiar with warhammer fantasy outside of some parodies and the iron ork, I'm more knowledgeable about 40k so I would be very grateful if you could explain what in sigmars balls kind of services a dwarf could provide an elf aside from demonstrating the use of a battle axe?
@@dionwoollaston5717 A WHFB unit not yet in Total War (alas alak!) Was "Long Drong's Slayer Prates", a bunch of slayers who were pirates (duh) who charged HUGE rate for the service of going to dangerous places and recovering items. Mercenaries work for anyone really.
Finubar (the Pheonix King before Tyrion) was a skilled diplomat who treated with Dwarfs often.
In the Gotrek and Felix novels, they occasionally work with elves.
The Ubersreik Five contain both a dwarf and an Elf, presumably they don't murder each other a lot.
Following the events of Storm of Chaos, Dwarf and Elf relations thawed a bit. Elf ambassadors were allowed inside dwarf halls before being told to gak off.
Sons of SIGMAR! FOR THE EMPIRE!!!!!!
Free people's! För the God-King!
Everyone can agree that all the empires provinces are equally important and great. Except stirland. I mean, its stirland for Emperor's sake
Nobody like Stirland
Let me correct that for you... *except the moot* there much better.
Averland is my favorite besides Reikland. I also quite like Ostermark.
@@corvus2512 personally I like Ostland because of its warlike nature and it's land is land is full of chaos warriors and brastmen
Ah, the ultimate "Humanity, fuck yeah!" faction. As crazy as the Warhammer world is, nothing feels as impressive as regular old humans who manage to survive in it.
Btw the person who wrote the script should probably check what "regency" means.
Friendship is more valuable than gold...
*O R S O T H E Y T E L L M E*
I am supreme!
WELCOME TO ESTALIA GENTLEMEN.
This video truly has the Emperor's consent.
"I am Karl Franz. Many call me emperor. When I hold the Ghal Maraz, you may bow"
"With fire and blade we will banish the darkness!"
I'd love to see a video on belief in Warhammer, especially the Imperial Pantheon and various Cults within the Empire. It's a very unique element of the setting and one that can actually be quite hard to understand when first approaching the setting
Whether it be against the nightmarish demons or the otherworldly aliens, by faith, steel, and sheer goddamn stubbornness, humanity will prevail!
"...and it's gone."
Games Workshop
Too soon
Forever too soon
got triggered when the video displayed AOS art
No it isn’t. Warhammer fantasy is coming back!
Fuck GW. Storm of Chaos will always be the canon.
Imagine a RPG game in this Warhammer universe, with a map of the size of the Empire would he awesome!
There's allready WFRP, but it has not been translated into a video game version as of yet...
@@arcotroll8530 actually there's a Warhammer game called Warhammer online
All the roads lead to Templin
Ogre: "Mmmmm. This is a tasty burgermeister. Vincent, you ever had a big kahuna burgermeister?""
Welcome to Estalia gentlemen!!
I will not lie the chances of your survival are small!
Some may even turn against your friends as living corpses!
But you have my word that I will use my arcane gifts to ensure your bodies are given unto Morr's garden.
This is the greatest reward, more than even GOLD, for the fate of your soul is an eternal concern!
Now, come. Follow me, strike down the Undead that rise against us, allow me to find this eldritch amulet.
Fantasy settings are always so cool. You can play as these fantastical races in these unique settings. But videos like these are the ones that make me feel incredibly proud.
We love all races, as long as they don't have HORNS or GREEN SKIN.
Or are bdsm perverts or bugs or communists.
@@demono6708 I feel attacked, I love the dark elves
and rats
should they exist
@@Minority119 They do not exist.
sad lizzardmen noises
7:28 He said it! He said the words!
I loved this setting so much that I can't bring myself to read anything on Age of Sigmar
Feel free to use the present tense :)
Kirbyhammer isn't legitimate lore anyway. Storm of Chaos will always be the true timeline, not that insulting, character-assassinating, bullshit-lore-inventing, retcon-filled, comically grimdark "End Times".
Screw Games Workshop.
AOS has its merits but honestly yeah. they removed the toned down grounded atmosphere of fantasy and turned the power levels up to 11 and gave everything a bit more high fantasy feel, which kinda sucks. i like the grounded peasant stories of fantasy. if i wanted over the top gods on the battlefield type vibe i'd go to 40k
I will never get over that Toddbringer is an actual name in this franchise.
TOOOOODDDDDD!
Have you ever looked at old german names?
Welcome to the Templin Institute, gentlemen.
I will not lie, the chances to gain knowledge are high!
When the sun rests, and the world is dark, and the great fires are lit, and the ale is poured into flagons, then it is time to sing sagas as the Dwarfs do. And the greatest saga is the saga of Sigmar, mightiest warrior. Harken now, hear these words, and live in hope.
props to the fantasy guardsmen in 40k we give them a flashlight in fantasy they get a stick
FOR THE TWIN-TAILED COMET !
Imagine all those 19th century inventor reincarnated into WF Empire?. Bessemer, Maxim, Nobel, Tesla etc.
That comment hurts.
Here's hoping that the Old World system will turn End Times into Vermintide and the lore for the classic FB continues up to the Steam Punk Age.
@@DzinkyDzink Empire State troops would literally be 18th or 19th century infantry.
I imagine that in this steampunk timeline, the elector counts are in Middenland and would be analogous to real life Prussia while Reikland would be Austria.
Tesla would be at home once they realize what's capable of doing.
The celestial college implores that I hear you. *I REMAIN UNCONVINCED*
I don't play aos or 40k but I'm addicted to the lore!!!
This isn't AoS, this is Warhammer Fantasy.
ET/AoS doesn't exist. You're in the wrong neighborhood.
Warhammer Fantasy. Probably my favourite fictional universe of all time.
It would be a shame if Chaos ever succeeded in destroying the world, and then it was replaced with a new world that wasn't half as interesting, wouldn't it?
Yeah, it's a good thing that didn't happen. I love reading Storm of Chaos (without the dumb Grimgor bit at the end) and Nemesis Crown. I can only wonder how the world looks after that. WHFRP 2nd edition is nice, though.
@@reidparker1848 still glad grimgor got a proper send off in end times even if most end times lore is crap. giving the everchosen that is currently ending the world a run for his money to the point he panics and has to activate a greater demon in his sword to win is a pretty badass end to grimgor even if i wish he was still around. still the best ork around
TBH grimgor would probably destroy ghazghkull in 40k if they ever met.
I am so glad creative assembly keeps this setting alive in their alternate timeline videogame. The end times never happened. Or they can if you lose the campaign lol
"Sticking with the 6th edition lore is an alternate timeline"
Kirbyhammer isn't legitimate lore anyway. Storm of Chaos will always be the true timeline, not that insulting, character-assassinating, bullshit-lore-inventing, retcon-filled, comically grimdark "End Times".
Screw Games Workshop and their new writers, they dropped Rick Priestly from his own setting and did everything they could to retcon the lore in preparation for torching it. Even 8th edition TT is a wreck.
Aaaaannnnd then Archeon "Gary Stu" Everchosen came along...
And he failed. The God-King stands defiant. The Empire persists, if not by name then by spirit. None, not even our own kin, can snuff out the spirit of man
Yes a shame the old world is no more. Roll on the new realms/dimentions.
GRIMGORE IZ DA BEST! *headbutts Archeon unconscious then runs away* GRIMGORE IZ DA BEST!
If it makes you feel any better it looks like GW is going to make the Old World new again
@@justinbarnes8834
Nope. Storm of Chaos will always be the canon. Screw GW and their character-raping and retconning.
All things that humans need in WH universe to survive are Faith, Steel, Gunpowder and Steam. I love them for that. LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR (not meat puppet or corpse one) KARL FRANZ!!!!!!
Faith, Steel & Gunpowder! For Sigmar!
Dont tell anyone but miranburg is trying to be independent again
And so it shall be.
for the empire of man! no superhuman badassry needed just halberds and fancy mustaches! and magic banners!
Except literal magic... and steam tanks... and demigryths.
While the Ending of the Old War was much reviled it did have one particularly good scene... During the fanatically losing battle against Chaos and Karl Franz missing, the decision was made to grant OG Vampire count Van Carstein legal authority to be the Elector Count of Slyvania to gain his aid. Later on during a big boss battle, a reenergized Karl Franz would come back and regard this Vampire Lord. These two titans probably sizing each other up and then making a mental note to deal with each other AFTER chaos is defeated. Because the Empire comes first.
Doesn't exist. Why people keep bringing up GW's End Times horseshit is beyond me.
The end times were the dream archaon had in his coma after karl franz whacked him in the head with gal muraz. The old world never fell and aos is it's own unrelated setting.
Do Chaos Gods next. Other races and factions can go eat Nurgel's plagues.
Yes-yes, but the Great Horned Rat FIRST!!!
Hashut be praised
Alright I'm going to go start an Empire campaign now
FOR SIGMAAAAAAAR!!!!
At some point you do have to imagine a scene with some random Empire officer riding on a steam tank while shouting, "Drive me closer! I wish to strike them down with my sword!"
Anyhow I've been expecting this video for a while. Will you do some entries on Age of Sigmar alongside more videos on the Empire of Man and the Old World?
Truly the best way to introduce a Faction. And there play style
"I AM A STEAMTANK" Inquisitor Saltzpire. Allegedly.
That was.... comprehensive, excellent video guys.
Wow. The Holy roman Empire. And even Ausrtria (Ostermark).
Is Austria not the Reikland?
@@MouldMadeMind No Ostermark. Under Hitler Austria was also called Ostmark. This means something like eastern Realm, because of that Austria and Australia are so similiar.
@@kieferkarpfen6897 rare footage of a german declaring german to another german
@@MouldMadeMind Ohh scheiße
@@MouldMadeMind Habe deinen namen nie gelesen
"Any who question the strength of humanity shall find their answer in the Empire of Man" UGH SUCH A BADASS LINE
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!
I love these WH Fantasy lore videos. I'd like to see one about the Dwarves and the Karaz Ankor.
You will live forevor in the realm of Morr! As we always remember for you!
"... to the Battle of Nuln, where hideous Ratmen devastated-..." Allegedly. ALLEGEDLY hideous Ratmen. *Applies Imperial Editorial Seal of Approval*
The Time of Three Emperors was closer to 800 years.
Magnus the Pious essentially did a (much more successful) Charlemagne. If Charlemagne had also incorporated the Eastern Roman Empire into his refounded Empire.
A very extremely awesome video as Templin Institute.
I wish I got into Warhammer before the end times so that I could enjoy this lore without this bittersweet feeling
No one is putting a gun to our heads and forcing us to acknowledge it. Storm of Chaos and Nemesis Crown will always be the true "ending". Drop the "bittersweet"; spit in GW's face. They're losers.
Hell yeah man, Lemmino and The institute are uploading content on the same day!
Eyyy! Some recognition for the Sisters of Sigmar!
"FOR SIGMAR! FOR THE HELDENHAMMER AND FOR THE EMPEROR! FOR VICTORY AND GLORY!"
Does anyone else find Warhammer Fantasy more interesting than 40K?
It feels more grounded
Same!
They're basically the same.
The fact that it all happens on one world breaks the immersion for me. I am more of a scifi fan than a fantasy fan so that might have something to do with it. Both are still awesome though
Yeah I got to say I’m a pretty big fan of all forms of Warhammer but 40 K is by far my favorite followed by fantasy the necromunda then age of Sigmor I guess
I always imagined warhammer fantasy as just another feudal world of the larger warhammer 40k universe.
Which it kinda was in some of the old lore, where sigmar contained a shard of the emperor and the fantasy world was in a realtively safe bubble in the eye of terror
@@Denterify2 which is now basically impossible to be true
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 well it got changed years ago
@@Denterify2 true
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 the warp can make everything true ... do, have hope 😁