Bunch of whiners. They changed 3 dungeons into raids all with new mechanics, added a new instance (DFC), hundreds of runes and their associated easter eggs, tons of new items as well as revamped old ones, new events, new world buffs... like wtf do you guys want lmao. Go play a different game
@NOHITJEROME Yes, I would agree it has slowed down. I would love to see a few more runes to get the last remaining slots filled! Its been alot of fun so far though, and hopefully lots to come 🤞🏻
@@Josh-qq4dj more runes would be great, just started working on the cloak runes on hunter and its actually more fun than i expected. cool to have small ways to increase power. some new additions to the same existing slots would be good even if they dont go for new slots
I can see both sides of this. But mainly people need to remember that the season of Discovery Dev team is really small and underappreciated. It's a handful of people bringing us amazing content. If they stop season of Discovery and don't do something new with classic plus I am not going to give blizzard money anymore. I'm a big D4 doomer that game is terrible
@@NOHITJEROME 100% the runes are a super fun twist. I play rogue and love Wpvp so you can see why I enjoy the cheese power levels. Hunter is cracked right now too
SOD was a success because of something new, we all saw the shadowy figure, were doing something different, had new reputation, new quests, the journey was different. Now all we get is a microwaved content. Shadowy Figure has so much potential to reshape the "classic", yet they abandoned so many good ideas.
ROFL you are not only lying to yourself but to everyone else SOD had a single phase that was "successful" then to find out over 60% of those numbers WERE BOTS it isnt even anything new, its a weak azz attempt to copy everquests timelock progression servers, they even hired some of EQ's old staff to try and copy it
7:22 LOL I was banned for A YEAR for calling SoD out for us being their beta testers.... 2 weeks after this ban they opened up the PTR for SoD so voicing your opinion IS THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO HEAR
@@NOHITJEROMEit’s for the nostalgia which I can’t blame him when I first started in vanilla naxx was the epitome of what you wanted to clear as a player and never got to.
I have thoroughly enjoyed SoD and have been having the most fun I've had with wow in such a long time. There definitely have been some dips, but overall I love it and am excited for the future.
not too late to start. guiilds are reforming, they are recruiting big time, the balance of classes has shifted massively. you can 100% come back right now
Punishing players for doing hardmode is bad. Theres a reason why they tested it out in TOGC back in the day and people didnt like it. and in WOTLK classic, no one liked it either. Just make the fights harder.... and give better loot for it. Dont punish the players for wiping on hardmode and taking the loot away. dumbest shit ive ever seen...
punishing for hardmodes is pretty toxic i agree..we had a lot of bad nights in togc losing the loot. also means u never can pug safely even in naxx phase. cuz u will have fresh characters filling a lot of slots and u will die too much and lose the loot
blizzard listens too much to bad players lately, phase 3 is a good example okay it was very hard at launch but people want to clear the content in the first week and because of noobs complaining ! how many times did they nerf ST for them 3-4 times ? and i know it`s seasonal but it doesn`t matter blizzard shouldn`t listen to every noob moaning on forums let it be hard that`s why we use the term progress in wow
They failed the endgame phases with warmed up stuff. Scarlet Monastery Raid where? Crypts raid where? Lots of people hoped for classic+, and its clear this isnt it. SoD just feels like an infant retail and they repeat the same mistakes of old times, mostly at least.
4:35 new runes??? or more spells from other expansions brought over LOL ya know... from retail the game everyone claimed they hated this is why there is no hope for SOD to continue
Gold is always key! Righteous Orbs in Strat/Real farming has easily been the fastest way for me to rake in the gold. If you have the time and energy, put some MC/ZG pugs together. Enchanters have a huge opportunity to make some big bucks with unwanted gear disenchants.
Definitely excited for Phase 6 and beyond. I've never done vanilla endgame before, so everything feels new and exciting to me. Currently having the most fun attempting to get the number one all-star parse. It's a little difficult because my guild isn't a parsing guild, but I got it done for heroic and hope to do it for mythic when Black Week rolls around.
hey that's an awesome goal. im dpsing tonight for the first time in a long time on hunter and that motivation to improve and do big dam is very motivating. moreso than healing lol
No we don't need more runes. Eventho ppl will always cry about certain classes sod has been in a decent spot for awhile, with every class having atleast 1 spec thats playable in pve and pvp. They need to focus their limited resources on making more fun events. Bloodmoon pvp even was a rly good idea it just wasn't done right. Stuff like that done right will make the game more fun
my guild has thrown around the idea of new runes but like +5% crit, +5% hit, +5% attack speed or stuff like that might be too close to what the ring runes are doing now but just a thought
Im having fun. I think its great and could have been even better if p3 hasnt taken that long. Also for the first time in wow im not doing pvp, as a mage main its just not an option
Here's an idea for folks who really enjoy the leveling experience: What if every SOD leveling raid was required to go beyond it's intended level via a reputation system that once you reach 3-5 raids finished, unlocks the ability to level up further. In addition, there could be a prestige system where you'd take a lvl 60 character back to level 1 and gain some benefit for doing so. This way, there would always be a good chunk of players leveling which would give a consistent "fresh" feel while also keeping the community together. Might be a good idea to put some gold-sinks in there somewhere as well. On a side note, I do have issues with how much classes have changed with all the runes. I do think some class changes are great, but there has been a bit too much emphasis on rune abilities in SOD. Runes should expand playstyles, not force them. I suppose SOD really is just a testing ground for Classic+ though so hopefully they can learn a lot from SOD before committing. Edit: Also whats up with them skipping a bunch of TBC abilities that really helped round classes out in PvP? I'd love if my druid had cyclone rather than fuckin starfall. There's also many QOL stuff missing that they could add that would be mostly welcomed. E.G. CC normalization w/o heartbeat, arenas, bg stats, flightpaths, mount areas, mailboxes, hearthstone 30m(maybe), etc. There were so many instances as I was just playing where I thought that there's such an obvious easy change that many players would appreciate. They should do more of those.
The problem with SoD for me is the fact that it’s following the retail footprint of only focusing on max level content. It’s also very punishing for late starters (I didn’t start playing SoD until phase 5) because no one wants you in their group and every fresh 60 is an alt that wants to get carried. I actually enjoyed leveling thru the raids and with dailies (fire eruptions, solo/duo incursions instead of 5man).
Warlocks desperately need some QoL changes: pets die way to fast in pvp with all the passive cleaving abilities, health funnel heals pet for 1% life per tick...its a joke. give a way to passively heal pets or improve health funnel to actually do something. Also, everytime you die in bg and youre resurrected you have to resummon your pet which comes with half health and dies within the next gcd. Please at least try to do some pvp balancing, the game is actually unplayable for some classes...
In my opinionboth MC and ZG worth doing on fresh characters. It is not like you can get fully geared in one ZG or one MC. Run everything to have better odds getting more gear and catch up for BWL as most runs do require a little bit gear.
I really enjoyed playing 2v2 with a good friend. A Blood Elf Paladin paired with an Undead Rogue was super challenging but also incredibly rewarding. It's a great way to pass the time and enjoy 2-player content, especially while waiting for other activities. I also enjoy tackling dungeons with just a few friends, like defeating Onyxia with a group of five or clearing Naxx trash with just two players. One of my favorite dungeons is Dire Maul-it's always been special to me. Perhaps there could be a small new dungeon specifically designed for two players. I mean, it's SOD(sort of doable) -so why not?
Different difficulty levels is such a let down for classic man. Give us 1 difficulty, however hard, and go next. I am constantly forced to either quit my guild and find more hardcore players...or run the easy modes because they just don't want to progress harder stuff. If there was 1 difficulty, they wouldn't have this option. Such a damn let down...we're so far into classic...I'd rather quit the game than quit my group of friends. And with the different levels, it means I can't parse anymore. I was able to parse all of vanilla/tbc...even when we sucked on bosses as a raid. Now, I can't do that anymore. Very sad to see them cutting up the population to appease lazy "hardcore" players. Real hardcore players will speed run, speed kill, or parse. They don't need artificial increases in difficulty to maintain the fun.
So often the focus of these difficulty levels is "individual enjoyment". But in reality, we should always be looking for ways to make the generic raid experience easier to put together. Not necessarily making raids themselves easier, but remove the baggage associated with forming groups. Difficulty levels always present a weird barrier of entry for pugging. They create division in the community when people that are used to the harder modes try to force newer players into those modes. It's just a bad system that is unnecessary. I've been so annoyed with SoD progression because its too damn easy on normal...and then hard AF to convince anyone to try the hard modes. TBC had "hard" raids and only 1 difficulty level. That is overwhelmingly the best expansion to try and emulate.
@@alexd2249 exactly. we sh ould be looking for ways to get the playerbase all working on the same goal. best example? .5 questline on sod p4 launch. everyone was working on the same gear at the same time and it felt amazing
@@NOHITJEROME 100% agree. Love when everyone is working on similar stuff. It's funny how much of P4's success was predicated on the raid delay...because everyone was spamming dungeons, leveling, and grinding the preraid bis. Edit: I dont necessarily think you should delay raids...I just think the gear updates and raid difficulties made MC pretty meh as a community.
I wish its more alt friendly need glyph system for runes for example. Incr leveling speed also make it easier with comeback gear. Make rep account wide.
@@Tagerrunbruhhhh this isn’t about the old days 😂😂 literally people’s obsession with “the old days” is what’s ruining SoD and any other advancement of Classic.
they killed so many guilds when they did 20 man ST and not only that they killed the guilds players quit sod or wow entirely, 10 man raids are pure fun even if they are hard and you wipe and the new 20-40 man raids is disgusting it makes me sick when i hear it
I’ve played through Vanilla launches including private servers 7 times in total. I like Vanilla. I am fine with just Vanilla if they have to reach a new patch. If you want new things you have to ask: do you really want a new BRM daily event if it delays the patch by another 4 months?
I was a vanilla player in 04, only just heard of SoD. Worth leveling a character or is this going to die soon? I hate retail, the idea of OG WoW being permanently viable sounds like a dream. Sad I've missed the last year.
More runes? Maybe. But hell no, no more buttons. Adding anymore buttons gets into bloat territory that doesnt make any gameplay loop for a class "fun". Can someone who wants more rune please write me a few ideas that arent just more buttons to press hit in your dps rotation? What does your class need outside of just being another "do damage" button. I want something that doesnt feel like the equivalent of having a fire pokemon with ember, flamethrower, fire blast, and fire spin in their moveset like its 1999 again.
@freddiet8639 cool. What sort of CD for rogue? Bladestorm on warrior may be nice but what slot would it be put in? Do you make it specificly for 2h or make it work for dual wield?
One of the few things I think could turn SoD around. Would be the surprise inclusion of player housing as an experiment. Was the promise of player housing in the classic60 or TBC? We see the test portal for housing everyday in SW. Give us a unique instance keyed to our toon with 4adds allowed via party. Garrisons were meant to be PH on steroids and also you could invite other toons to your instance
I do zg with 10 ppl and everybody wins all the time and we carry 1 player to gear up in my guild , most of us just go for idols/mounts and carry 1 fresh guildy/alt its so easy even HM
I'm seriously starting to wonder wtf is wrong with players these days, they couldn't tell you what they actually wanted even if a gun was pointed at their heads. What a generation of absolutely miserable losers...
imo they need to keep level cap at 60 n add new shit, not old and recycled bs. let ppl grind out pvp ranks no blocks or at least give people cleanse trinket at rank 1. they also need to add incentives to do higher difficulty content. i do not think blizzard listens.
I don’t expect any new content besides gear, mechanics, world dragons, balance changes and maybe some profession items. With the team working on Cata, SoD, and I guess MoP as well they’re stretched. Any new raids and dungeons are most likely being saved for classic+ imo. I’m ok with this but I’m just not a big fan of AQ.
Sod is the best game mode right now. Plain and simple. Tww and cata suck. Sod has the best raids and dungeons. If it wasnt for phase 3 it would have blown up. The player base slightly recovering in p4 and 5 is proof that its worth leveling up and raiding
P6 is gonna be great - I enjoy SoD a lot! Great class changes. Of course Id like more leveling content and more content in general and so on, but I love what they did. Only thing Id like to see go away are world buffs. SoM was better in that regard. If they add the wow token, I think I will quit and go to private servers. You often has cash shops there too, which I dislike, but at least not that obvious gold buying
I started off with a rogue for 4 phases and than power leveled a priest. I've been able to get into the raids 0 problem. Got almost all the runes most fun I've had in sod. I just wish they would fix the 1 rune stuck in strat for the cloak. I haven't been able to get it still.
players want the content that should be in classic + or whatever the name will be in SOD, and i think that`s dogshit, why would you want to play the content that should be in classic + in SOD ?? it`s like playing a game and clearing its content before the actual game launches and if you actually get that in SOD then everybody will be moaning and complaining that they are bored and they want something new in classic + because they are a bunch of sweaty orcs
SOD,Retail,Overwatch,Starcraft,Diablo..........Blizzard has proved with every single game that they do not have the skill set to make a good video game.
They simply gave up on sod. I will still play it cos AQ is fantastic raid and clasic overall but fact they didnt add any new content says a lot. They even made aq event worse cos now any gold buyer will be able to own scarab lord title, we have like 20 days for it with instanced world bosses on pvp servers lol, completly pointless, biggest event in wow history will became Soded.
yeap its dissaster sod anymore casual friendly lets take scarablord quest would have been nice to do in long time just to remember the quest and honor it ok rep grind is the test of dedication alone but to leave quest item after it only to limit 1 person/raid/1week lock out good going just stupid desing for SOD/seasonal server "no changes argument? yeah they allready changed it so much but not this?" would make much more fun for ppl right or whats bad to more ppl enjoy the game?
This minmaxing, consumer-whiny culture needs to stop. I swear, people don't know how to enjoy games anymore, because most of them are sweating out of every single pore whenever there is new content out there. Try enjoying the game without doing absolutely everything as fast as possible and then whine like little nerds when the content is all dried up.
I have 13k gold (and ive been spending a lot) mainly from ... quests. I leveled 4 chars with quests. Not the most efficient, but can do it mindlessly during work :)
@@NOHITJEROME It's a tough balance. I think personally they should ahve introduced way more new quests and content for the "60" period so questing and long chains become long again. I definitely miss discovering all the runes and stuff I did along the way. We've kind of entered the "completed" section of classic everyone already knows. Blizzard need to un-complete classic for sure. Likely that's classic plus.
SOD is a mess. The open world is a mess. PvP in open world is so bad. The new content in silithus with no guards or anything. You land and get camped by unkillable tank shaman and boomkins all day. Speed run side of pve shaman class call gives haste buff? Paladin class call you can't do damage to the boss? The game had so much potential and the devs ruined it.
I wish SoD was the foundation for c+. And every year, each season's toons get retired there. The effort put into SoD should have longevity. Or else I lose the chance to play melee hunter... until Sod Classic in 10 years And introducing a token would be great. It would allow blizz to make extra profit off SoD and encourgae them to keep us around. C+ need a cash shop if it wants to be blizz's new darlin, and stick around awhile like Classic Retail and Retail. CATA was classic's doorway to retail.
I alo heard CATA's numbers are now below SoD's raid numbers. Firelands should juice CATAs numbers in a bit. We'll find ou whether firelands is a great raid. Or was just the best part of a crap xpac.
For Classic Retail to have any sustainability. It has to weather 2 notoriously bad xpacs, CATA and WoD. As well as competing with retail now every step of the way. There's nohing left of classic in classic prog anymore.
i think sod will be the basis for c+ but the fresh launch aspect is unfortunately part of wows dna. we don't get to have runescape type servers that last forever (well retail i guess)
@@NOHITJEROME There is no way blizz would drop WoD classic with the og garrisons. And the og garrisons were one of the saving graces to that dismal xpac. Having fully loaded garrisons in retail, even nerfed as they are, means I don't have to spend a nickel on mounts with transmoggers or AH+bank. One hearth and I can do anything any mount has to offer as addon service. They should of built the bronto as a alliance or horde themed 5 man mount. To carry an entire dungeon team or half a raid. Social value without breaking te game with a cash shop item. Even I would be challenged to say no to a alliance blue and gold 5 seater. For both my accs. Canadian that would of been $270 yikkes
Yeah SoD sucks. Completely went off the rails. All they had to do was make the underperforming specs viable (enh/ele shammy, ret pally, spriest, ect) and add new content and it would have been a hit.... instead they juiced every class and in turn, ruined pvp and made it retail.
Bunch of whiners. They changed 3 dungeons into raids all with new mechanics, added a new instance (DFC), hundreds of runes and their associated easter eggs, tons of new items as well as revamped old ones, new events, new world buffs... like wtf do you guys want lmao. Go play a different game
ya but p1/2 was new stuff constantly, it has definitely slowed down no question ya?
@NOHITJEROME Yes, I would agree it has slowed down. I would love to see a few more runes to get the last remaining slots filled! Its been alot of fun so far though, and hopefully lots to come 🤞🏻
@@Josh-qq4dj more runes would be great, just started working on the cloak runes on hunter and its actually more fun than i expected. cool to have small ways to increase power. some new additions to the same existing slots would be good even if they dont go for new slots
I can see both sides of this. But mainly people need to remember that the season of Discovery Dev team is really small and underappreciated. It's a handful of people bringing us amazing content. If they stop season of Discovery and don't do something new with classic plus I am not going to give blizzard money anymore. I'm a big D4 doomer that game is terrible
@@NOHITJEROME 100% the runes are a super fun twist. I play rogue and love Wpvp so you can see why I enjoy the cheese power levels. Hunter is cracked right now too
My question as someone who hasn't played sod since phase 2 is should I get back into sod or just regular wow classic
SOD was a success because of something new, we all saw the shadowy figure, were doing something different, had new reputation, new quests, the journey was different. Now all we get is a microwaved content. Shadowy Figure has so much potential to reshape the "classic", yet they abandoned so many good ideas.
Amen .
There so much potential
Game is awesome but its run by clowns who a really out of touch what their fans want.😢
ROFL you are not only lying to yourself but to everyone else
SOD had a single phase that was "successful" then to find out over 60% of those numbers WERE BOTS
it isnt even anything new, its a weak azz attempt to copy everquests timelock progression servers, they even hired some of EQ's old staff to try and copy it
was succes in my eyes because was more casual friendly but now not really anymore no wonder ppl quit the game i also canceled my sub
7:22 LOL I was banned for A YEAR for calling SoD out for us being their beta testers.... 2 weeks after this ban they opened up the PTR for SoD
so voicing your opinion IS THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO HEAR
Blizzard has not what is takes to make Classic +
Stop the copium
Forcing myself to play till naxx
you like naxx the most vail? its a fun raid with world buffs
@ love naxx. Gonna keep playing for sure. I want kingfall 🫡
@@NOHITJEROMEit’s for the nostalgia which I can’t blame him when I first started in vanilla naxx was the epitome of what you wanted to clear as a player and never got to.
they have destroyed this game
theres nothing to discover aside from the fact that you are wasting your life
I have thoroughly enjoyed SoD and have been having the most fun I've had with wow in such a long time. There definitely have been some dips, but overall I love it and am excited for the future.
Do you think it’s too late to start? I stopped at level 23 and haven’t played sod since
not too late to start. guiilds are reforming, they are recruiting big time, the balance of classes has shifted massively. you can 100% come back right now
Punishing players for doing hardmode is bad.
Theres a reason why they tested it out in TOGC back in the day and people didnt like it.
and in WOTLK classic, no one liked it either.
Just make the fights harder.... and give better loot for it. Dont punish the players for wiping on hardmode and taking the loot away. dumbest shit ive ever seen...
punishing for hardmodes is pretty toxic i agree..we had a lot of bad nights in togc losing the loot. also means u never can pug safely even in naxx phase. cuz u will have fresh characters filling a lot of slots and u will die too much and lose the loot
blizzard listens too much to bad players lately, phase 3 is a good example okay it was very hard at launch but people want to clear the content in the first week and because of noobs complaining ! how many times did they nerf ST for them 3-4 times ? and i know it`s seasonal but it doesn`t matter blizzard shouldn`t listen to every noob moaning on forums let it be hard that`s why we use the term progress in wow
@@captainrwcg3558this, is because it is woke people who runs blizzard
They failed the endgame phases with warmed up stuff. Scarlet Monastery Raid where? Crypts raid where?
Lots of people hoped for classic+, and its clear this isnt it.
SoD just feels like an infant retail and they repeat the same mistakes of old times, mostly at least.
4:35 new runes??? or more spells from other expansions brought over LOL
ya know... from retail the game everyone claimed they hated
this is why there is no hope for SOD to continue
They need to put in the test arenas from the original vanilla pre-tbc talents patch
love that idea whats stopping them honestly
Imagine if people who did the hard work in real life made the most instead of the people who do the least.
agreed..that would be nice. a level of strategy/planning has to combine with work. wow shows that too
The success of the next phase is based on your raid teams brain cell count.
oh god we are SCREWED
How many head of the broodlord lashlayer will drop? only 1 per week?
1 per week..trying to plan to sneak into a raid and get it myself
@@NOHITJEROME so essentially if you want the battle tank you have to host your own bwl raid and HR the head?
Gold is always key! Righteous Orbs in Strat/Real farming has easily been the fastest way for me to rake in the gold. If you have the time and energy, put some MC/ZG pugs together. Enchanters have a huge opportunity to make some big bucks with unwanted gear disenchants.
i don't love making MC pugs but the righteous orb angle is huge. gonna try to do it this week
literally forgot sod even existed. whens fresh era
Wow isn't for you bro, best to move on.
@@freddiet8639 they have destroyed this game
theres nothing to discover aside from the fact that you are wasting your life
Definitely excited for Phase 6 and beyond. I've never done vanilla endgame before, so everything feels new and exciting to me. Currently having the most fun attempting to get the number one all-star parse. It's a little difficult because my guild isn't a parsing guild, but I got it done for heroic and hope to do it for mythic when Black Week rolls around.
hey that's an awesome goal. im dpsing tonight for the first time in a long time on hunter and that motivation to improve and do big dam is very motivating. moreso than healing lol
Is High warlord coming with p6?
No we don't need more runes. Eventho ppl will always cry about certain classes sod has been in a decent spot for awhile, with every class having atleast 1 spec thats playable in pve and pvp. They need to focus their limited resources on making more fun events. Bloodmoon pvp even was a rly good idea it just wasn't done right. Stuff like that done right will make the game more fun
my guild has thrown around the idea of new runes but like +5% crit, +5% hit, +5% attack speed or stuff like that might be too close to what the ring runes are doing now but just a thought
i like the idea, more passives and options for players makes sense
Arcane healing was an INCREDIBLE evolution for that tree. I REALLY REALLY hope they keep it.
i still want to try it. it's feeling good right now?
Im having fun. I think its great and could have been even better if p3 hasnt taken that long. Also for the first time in wow im not doing pvp, as a mage main its just not an option
Here's an idea for folks who really enjoy the leveling experience: What if every SOD leveling raid was required to go beyond it's intended level via a reputation system that once you reach 3-5 raids finished, unlocks the ability to level up further. In addition, there could be a prestige system where you'd take a lvl 60 character back to level 1 and gain some benefit for doing so. This way, there would always be a good chunk of players leveling which would give a consistent "fresh" feel while also keeping the community together. Might be a good idea to put some gold-sinks in there somewhere as well.
On a side note, I do have issues with how much classes have changed with all the runes. I do think some class changes are great, but there has been a bit too much emphasis on rune abilities in SOD. Runes should expand playstyles, not force them. I suppose SOD really is just a testing ground for Classic+ though so hopefully they can learn a lot from SOD before committing.
Edit: Also whats up with them skipping a bunch of TBC abilities that really helped round classes out in PvP? I'd love if my druid had cyclone rather than fuckin starfall. There's also many QOL stuff missing that they could add that would be mostly welcomed. E.G. CC normalization w/o heartbeat, arenas, bg stats, flightpaths, mount areas, mailboxes, hearthstone 30m(maybe), etc. There were so many instances as I was just playing where I thought that there's such an obvious easy change that many players would appreciate. They should do more of those.
The problem with SoD for me is the fact that it’s following the retail footprint of only focusing on max level content.
It’s also very punishing for late starters (I didn’t start playing SoD until phase 5) because no one wants you in their group and every fresh 60 is an alt that wants to get carried.
I actually enjoyed leveling thru the raids and with dailies (fire eruptions, solo/duo incursions instead of 5man).
Will they remove incursions and put back the Emeraldon Dragonkin.
I miss kiting that bad boi into Orgrimmar.
best times in p1 were peopel doing that LMAO
I bring at least 5 undergeared alts to MC every lockout. Ive seen at least 3 people come in, in blues and leave with 6 set.
yeah that happened on my hunter. it feels very good..hope you got your gear though lol
Warlocks desperately need some QoL changes: pets die way to fast in pvp with all the passive cleaving abilities, health funnel heals pet for 1% life per tick...its a joke. give a way to passively heal pets or improve health funnel to actually do something. Also, everytime you die in bg and youre resurrected you have to resummon your pet which comes with half health and dies within the next gcd. Please at least try to do some pvp balancing, the game is actually unplayable for some classes...
In my opinionboth MC and ZG worth doing on fresh characters. It is not like you can get fully geared in one ZG or one MC. Run everything to have better odds getting more gear and catch up for BWL as most runs do require a little bit gear.
mc is worth it but if you can somehow just go straight into zg -> bwl it's going to be more efficient (if you have a lot of alts)
very good solutions like Marelli here lol. Herbs costs more cuz you can proc crafts on flasks?
true but overall the profit margin is very low overall for crafting
I want more runes, but I agree I don't need more buttons. I just want more cool passives and additional synergy to my current playstyle.
more passives or more runes in the existing slots that give us more options
PHASE 8 WAITING ROOM!
lets GO vigor karazhan crypts hype
Imo once they killed 10 man raids they killed our intimate friendships. Not there are too many players in raids to talk and have cheeky banter
I really enjoyed playing 2v2 with a good friend. A Blood Elf Paladin paired with an Undead Rogue was super challenging but also incredibly rewarding. It's a great way to pass the time and enjoy 2-player content, especially while waiting for other activities. I also enjoy tackling dungeons with just a few friends, like defeating Onyxia with a group of five or clearing Naxx trash with just two players. One of my favorite dungeons is Dire Maul-it's always been special to me. Perhaps there could be a small new dungeon specifically designed for two players. I mean, it's SOD(sort of doable) -so why not?
Different difficulty levels is such a let down for classic man. Give us 1 difficulty, however hard, and go next. I am constantly forced to either quit my guild and find more hardcore players...or run the easy modes because they just don't want to progress harder stuff. If there was 1 difficulty, they wouldn't have this option. Such a damn let down...we're so far into classic...I'd rather quit the game than quit my group of friends.
And with the different levels, it means I can't parse anymore. I was able to parse all of vanilla/tbc...even when we sucked on bosses as a raid. Now, I can't do that anymore. Very sad to see them cutting up the population to appease lazy "hardcore" players. Real hardcore players will speed run, speed kill, or parse. They don't need artificial increases in difficulty to maintain the fun.
So often the focus of these difficulty levels is "individual enjoyment". But in reality, we should always be looking for ways to make the generic raid experience easier to put together. Not necessarily making raids themselves easier, but remove the baggage associated with forming groups. Difficulty levels always present a weird barrier of entry for pugging. They create division in the community when people that are used to the harder modes try to force newer players into those modes. It's just a bad system that is unnecessary. I've been so annoyed with SoD progression because its too damn easy on normal...and then hard AF to convince anyone to try the hard modes.
TBC had "hard" raids and only 1 difficulty level. That is overwhelmingly the best expansion to try and emulate.
yeah the multiple difficulty modes kills parsing and segments the playerbase..wish there was another way
@@alexd2249 exactly. we sh ould be looking for ways to get the playerbase all working on the same goal. best example? .5 questline on sod p4 launch. everyone was working on the same gear at the same time and it felt amazing
Sorry for the difficulty levels trauma dump. Great video as always @jerome.
@@NOHITJEROME 100% agree. Love when everyone is working on similar stuff. It's funny how much of P4's success was predicated on the raid delay...because everyone was spamming dungeons, leveling, and grinding the preraid bis. Edit: I dont necessarily think you should delay raids...I just think the gear updates and raid difficulties made MC pretty meh as a community.
still no info about Rank14 items:.. like wtf
and no r15 either..my dreams ruined
i stopped ranking at 10 because they havent updated the r12/r13 gear, so seems like timewaste for a seasonal server with no relevent reward
Catch up mechanic, all previous phase runes for sale for Alts.
yeah why wouldnt they do that? love it
A resounding yes.
why do you think it's doa?
Do you have Tipps how to prep for Szepter Quest?
make sure u have a raid ready to go for BWL, make sure u have people ready to farm with u, u dont have to do the war effort/prep yourself
@ yeah first head is mine and have enough people for elite quests, and Mc quests.
But anything I can do now?
we need new spec runes eg: healing warlock
i miss P1
will we ever get that feeling again
I just came back from p3 hiatus and been having a blast
Breaks are good!
Joined since p4. Having fun.
glad u are having fun thats great to hear. playing fresh too or just sod?
I came back, and I love it again.
i'm really glda enganx, going for scarab lord?
I'm sitting on 25k gold right now, I don't farm anything anymore and just craft 4 different items and keep them on the ah
I wish its more alt friendly need glyph system for runes for example. Incr leveling speed also make it easier with comeback gear. Make rep account wide.
Everything should have stayed 10 man. 15/20 man was a mistake.
you are not wrong 10man was the most fun and hype. playing with 20 people doesnt hit the same
I like 20 man content seems like a good inbetween of the old days. Honestly wish they had a 40 man option you can do if you wanted to.
@@Tagerrunbruhhhh this isn’t about the old days 😂😂 literally people’s obsession with “the old days” is what’s ruining SoD and any other advancement of Classic.
@@JusticeNwokedidepends on what you mean by advancement
they killed so many guilds when they did 20 man ST and not only that they killed the guilds players quit sod or wow entirely, 10 man raids are pure fun even if they are hard and you wipe and the new 20-40 man raids is disgusting it makes me sick when i hear it
I need PvP content blizzard please. Healers get nothing from the game stats it is only kills. Warsong gulch needs a timer.
its time to have healer stats i agree..
I’ve played through Vanilla launches including private servers 7 times in total.
I like Vanilla. I am fine with just Vanilla if they have to reach a new patch.
If you want new things you have to ask: do you really want a new BRM daily event if it delays the patch by another 4 months?
my take on MC: worth if youre in a good geared guild and have their support. If not, nope
New pvp content (new bgs, new gear, new events...) & classes balance in pvp. that's all i wanted....
we deserve it..let's get rank 15
I wouldnt mind something to fill the gaps between honor and raid cap.
Something that isn’t mandatory but is there if you have spare time and are capped.
yes bro, it's over
i am NOT giving up
Looking good brotha
I got to 60 on my paladin got 7/8 tier 1 neck cape healing ring and duplicates in my first run
congratulations javier, you going hpal next phase? shockadin looks good too
@NOHITJEROME yea im going to try it out
I was a vanilla player in 04, only just heard of SoD. Worth leveling a character or is this going to die soon? I hate retail, the idea of OG WoW being permanently viable sounds like a dream. Sad I've missed the last year.
More runes? Maybe. But hell no, no more buttons. Adding anymore buttons gets into bloat territory that doesnt make any gameplay loop for a class "fun". Can someone who wants more rune please write me a few ideas that arent just more buttons to press hit in your dps rotation? What does your class need outside of just being another "do damage" button. I want something that doesnt feel like the equivalent of having a fire pokemon with ember, flamethrower, fire blast, and fire spin in their moveset like its 1999 again.
Wtf do you mean, rogue is liturly mutilate/envenom spam 😂 a big offensive cd would be nice for all classes, would love to see bladestorm on warrior
@freddiet8639 cool. What sort of CD for rogue? Bladestorm on warrior may be nice but what slot would it be put in? Do you make it specificly for 2h or make it work for dual wield?
One of the few things I think could turn SoD around. Would be the surprise inclusion of player housing as an experiment.
Was the promise of player housing in the classic60 or TBC? We see the test portal for housing everyday in SW. Give us a unique instance keyed to our toon with 4adds allowed via party.
Garrisons were meant to be PH on steroids and also you could invite other toons to your instance
A rune of player housing would be a draw. As well as an updated baby retail version of DMF.
I would come back for that
could be a good idea, you could buy furniture or something, like a bed you can use for the sleeping bag xp buff or something.
I do zg with 10 ppl and everybody wins all the time and we carry 1 player to gear up in my guild , most of us just go for idols/mounts and carry 1 fresh guildy/alt its so easy even HM
thats an awesome way of doing it..get me in as the tenth next time lol
Nah Fack this…playing leagues 5
runescape? i want to paly this year
I'm just raid logging now on 3 charectors. Don't need gold lol. Already made 85k gold in phase 3
85k? HOW AND how lol
Easiest way to make gold in phase6 is to get a job in real life and then use the money you get from that job to buy gold of a Chinese gold seller.
u cant buy on hardcore servers though can you ally cat
@ I don’t know? I’ve never played on a hardcore server but I know you can buy good on normal classic SoD realms.
I’ve been doing just fine in SOD been pretty lit
rememberberries keeping the nostalgia alive i trust? :D
I'm seriously starting to wonder wtf is wrong with players these days, they couldn't tell you what they actually wanted even if a gun was pointed at their heads.
What a generation of absolutely miserable losers...
imo they need to keep level cap at 60 n add new shit, not old and recycled bs. let ppl grind out pvp ranks no blocks or at least give people cleanse trinket at rank 1. they also need to add incentives to do higher difficulty content. i do not think blizzard listens.
turtle wow just got some beautiful talent changes!
i saw it has amazing changes, anything else stand out?
@ it’s way better then sod
@ kara 40 man
Passive trinket runes would be great
I don’t expect any new content besides gear, mechanics, world dragons, balance changes and maybe some profession items. With the team working on Cata, SoD, and I guess MoP as well they’re stretched. Any new raids and dungeons are most likely being saved for classic+ imo. I’m ok with this but I’m just not a big fan of AQ.
SoD was fun. The community was entitled and ruined it.
how was that phase 6 launch they are not making a brand new raid they hoping sod dies so they can stop lol
Sod is the best game mode right now. Plain and simple. Tww and cata suck. Sod has the best raids and dungeons. If it wasnt for phase 3 it would have blown up. The player base slightly recovering in p4 and 5 is proof that its worth leveling up and raiding
P6 is gonna be great - I enjoy SoD a lot! Great class changes. Of course Id like more leveling content and more content in general and so on, but I love what they did. Only thing Id like to see go away are world buffs. SoM was better in that regard. If they add the wow token, I think I will quit and go to private servers. You often has cash shops there too, which I dislike, but at least not that obvious gold buying
I hope phase 6 is short..
I Dont Need catchup i Need a rune seller for Gold have u Seen the shit i Need to do warrior Tank runes ….? 😢
Jared Goff!?
same name but not the quarterback lmao
I started off with a rogue for 4 phases and than power leveled a priest. I've been able to get into the raids 0 problem. Got almost all the runes most fun I've had in sod.
I just wish they would fix the 1 rune stuck in strat for the cloak. I haven't been able to get it still.
yeah the best healing priest rune being a waking nightmare to get was an interesting choice lol
players want the content that should be in classic + or whatever the name will be in SOD, and i think that`s dogshit, why would you want to play the content that should be in classic + in SOD ?? it`s like playing a game and clearing its content before the actual game launches and if you actually get that in SOD then everybody will be moaning and complaining that they are bored and they want something new in classic + because they are a bunch of sweaty orcs
SOD,Retail,Overwatch,Starcraft,Diablo..........Blizzard has proved with every single game that they do not have the skill set to make a good video game.
imagine listing StarCraft as if it's some kind of failure by any phenomenally large stretch of the imagination. Where you born yesterday?
...yes.
classic+ is completely bricked if "stuff from sod" is going to be in it sorry
its just the reality they arent gonna scrap any of that work tbh
@@NOHITJEROME yep my point exactly. over before it started
@@kellypease-j2y well..thats probably the reality. but ill be optimistic
They simply gave up on sod. I will still play it cos AQ is fantastic raid and clasic overall but fact they didnt add any new content says a lot. They even made aq event worse cos now any gold buyer will be able to own scarab lord title, we have like 20 days for it with instanced world bosses on pvp servers lol, completly pointless, biggest event in wow history will became Soded.
yeap its dissaster sod anymore casual friendly lets take scarablord quest would have been nice to do in long time just to remember the quest and honor it ok rep grind is the test of dedication alone but to leave quest item after it only to limit 1 person/raid/1week lock out good going just stupid desing for SOD/seasonal server "no changes argument? yeah they allready changed it so much but not this?" would make much more fun for ppl right or whats bad to more ppl enjoy the game?
if server is dead how can you finish it? thanks for blizzard also releasing 20th fresh servers "kick to balls"
i played p1 and quit in p2, came back in p5 and quit after 2 weeks. sod is boring.
coming back for p6 or na?
🤡
Why haven’t they added arenas yet?
game is not balanced ppl would complain way too much
Sod is already a disaster 😂
This minmaxing, consumer-whiny culture needs to stop. I swear, people don't know how to enjoy games anymore, because most of them are sweating out of every single pore whenever there is new content out there. Try enjoying the game without doing absolutely everything as fast as possible and then whine like little nerds when the content is all dried up.
I have 13k gold (and ive been spending a lot) mainly from ... quests. I leveled 4 chars with quests. Not the most efficient, but can do it mindlessly during work :)
thats amazing, but how are you making that much from quests? they aren't giving nearly that much
Wow that's like $30 well done you
in classic, players one here for one thing... raids.
some ppl are here for leveling and that time is over in sod unfortunately
@@NOHITJEROME It's a tough balance. I think personally they should ahve introduced way more new quests and content for the "60" period so questing and long chains become long again. I definitely miss discovering all the runes and stuff I did along the way. We've kind of entered the "completed" section of classic everyone already knows. Blizzard need to un-complete classic for sure. Likely that's classic plus.
how can anyone still play this
they have destroyed this game
theres nothing to discover aside from the fact that you are wasting your life
sod is dead, time to pivot to new games
pivot to hardcore?
@NOHITJEROME yes
SOD is a mess. The open world is a mess. PvP in open world is so bad. The new content in silithus with no guards or anything. You land and get camped by unkillable tank shaman and boomkins all day. Speed run side of pve shaman class call gives haste buff? Paladin class call you can't do damage to the boss? The game had so much potential and the devs ruined it.
I wish SoD was the foundation for c+.
And every year, each season's toons get retired there. The effort put into SoD should have longevity.
Or else I lose the chance to play melee hunter... until Sod Classic in 10 years
And introducing a token would be great. It would allow blizz to make extra profit off SoD and encourgae them to keep us around.
C+ need a cash shop if it wants to be blizz's new darlin, and stick around awhile like Classic Retail and Retail. CATA was classic's doorway to retail.
I alo heard CATA's numbers are now below SoD's raid numbers.
Firelands should juice CATAs numbers in a bit.
We'll find ou whether firelands is a great raid. Or was just the best part of a crap xpac.
For Classic Retail to have any sustainability. It has to weather 2 notoriously bad xpacs, CATA and WoD. As well as competing with retail now every step of the way.
There's nohing left of classic in classic prog anymore.
i think sod will be the basis for c+ but the fresh launch aspect is unfortunately part of wows dna. we don't get to have runescape type servers that last forever (well retail i guess)
i think they cut it at mop no way anyone wants wod
@@NOHITJEROME There is no way blizz would drop WoD classic with the og garrisons.
And the og garrisons were one of the saving graces to that dismal xpac.
Having fully loaded garrisons in retail, even nerfed as they are, means I don't have to spend a nickel on mounts with transmoggers or AH+bank. One hearth and I can do anything any mount has to offer as addon service.
They should of built the bronto as a alliance or horde themed 5 man mount. To carry an entire dungeon team or half a raid.
Social value without breaking te game with a cash shop item.
Even I would be challenged to say no to a alliance blue and gold 5 seater. For both my accs. Canadian that would of been $270 yikkes
Yeah SoD sucks. Completely went off the rails. All they had to do was make the underperforming specs viable (enh/ele shammy, ret pally, spriest, ect) and add new content and it would have been a hit.... instead they juiced every class and in turn, ruined pvp and made it retail.
U are alive blizz no life slave xaxa
must game until death :D