Disconnected Kick? This is What Happens to Hip Rotation in Your Freestyle Technique!
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I’m learning so much that it’s all about details!!! Thanks for all this fine tuning. All I learned to do is kick kick kick.
that’s “state of the art” swimming. chapeau!
Luca Gian haha 🏊🏼♂️😄
Whole life I believed that it is the kick, kick and kick to propel!.... My swim life is upside down from now for the better ever.... Thanks coach 🙏
Thanks Coach.
Any time! 🏊♂️🙌
That was so helpful.. Just before going to swim..i came across your channel.. completely confident to execute whatever I learnt! Thanks Mandy!!🔥
You’re welcome Parikshth! Make it happen! 🔥🏊🏼♂️👏🏼💪🏽 -Coach M
Perfect...opposite hip drives rotation through the arm...very nice coach Mandy
Correct and you’re welcome! 🙏🏽🏊🏼♂️
After reading the comments below, I was not the only one that found this a bit confusing. With all of the 'linking the kick to the arms' videos I have watched, some focus on the recovering arm where you kick with the opposite leg, and others focus on the pull/catch arm where you kick with the same arm. That is how I do it, focus on the pull arm. I guess this is related to those who think the hips drive the shoulder rotation/opposite side, to those who feel the shoulders drive the hip rotation/same side, which is where I am.
Excellent content. I really needed this. Thank you Coach Mandy.
For me its easier to time the kick as I pull with the same side arm...instead of the entry of the opposite arm.
Just a curiosity!!!
Tomas Artinano yes that works too! 🙌🏽😄🏊🏼♂️
@@SWIMVICE that's what i feel too., especially if you are over kicking. slow it down with a 2 beat.
I think by opposite side she means once the arm enters the water the opposite leg should kick. By the time the arm is about to be vertical (90 degrees down in the water) the same side leg should kick. (And the other hand just entered the water)
The most pressure you're going to feel on your arm is at its vertical state, so naturally you're going to feel that the same side leg is kicking once this arm goes, but it's actually the opposite arm that just went inside the water (so she described it correctly in that way).
Thanks for clarifying
Arbel Barak correct! 👍🏼🏊🏼♂️
Hi Coach Mandy. Thanks again for that wonderful informative video. Just to clarify, you said the kick and arm movements must be "opposite" of each other. Yet on your correct demo video, your leg kick-down is the same side as the arm-pull/catch going down. Your beautiful kick timing demo is exactly the same as in another swim channel, but the coach there describes it as the same side (not opposite), yet both of you demonstrating the same correct kick timing. Thanks!
Hi Leah sorry for the confusion. I was directing this movement based on the arm entering the water, not on the catch. Both are correct. The other Coach is using the catch as a point of reference when I’m using the entry. Same solution just different way to look at it. Hope this helps! 😄🏊🏼♂️🙌🏽👏🏼-Coach M
the catch up stroke is well illustrated here also and i find that the catch up drill improves a couple of things..................proper timing of kick and pull and proper placement of the arm in the pull.
Yes and yes 🙌😆👏🏊🏼♂️ -CM
Doing it wrong for so long that my stoke is built around it! But I am far slower than I should be, given my condition and a lifetime of dedication. Before when I tried your suggestion it both destroyed my rhythm (which I developed years ago after I developed proper arm rotation (took months). So what I experienced with this kick alternative (your 2 beat alternation of arm with other leg style) was the sense of timing being totally off and a lot of difficulty avoiding regressing back into same side arm and leg, which feels natural now and for which I have rhythm. But I stuck with the opposing arm and for the two beat you show here. And after about a week, though it feels awkward, there is about 20-40 seconds off each hundred in a 3 k swim and I do not have a pace that drops throughout. I know the improvement sounds insane, but a person doing something terribly wrong can see giant improvements if they correct that flaw. Here there was one other factor: I have used short fins this week, which tends to knock off about 15 seconds per hundred for me in the past. But that still leaves an unexpected 5-20 second improvement. All the same, can't sense the 'feeling' that I am propelling with the kick. I don't feel hip engagement -- some when I downkick my left leg and I am beginning to sense it with the upkick of the right leg at the same time. But I don't feel the body rotation at all -- if anything I feel as if my upper body is disengaged by my lower body in this way. It kind of feels like I am doing the old 'scissor kick: in what was called the side stroke/ But I am faster and more efficient so something must be corrected. I'll keep with it and keep trying to explore the feeling and geT accustomed to the habitual rhythm. But I don't grasp the sense of disconnection -- where is that fELT? iS IT IN THE PELVIS LOCATED WHERE ThE SCREW IS IN A pair of scissors that you open and close from side to side. Because I do feel THAT on the left down kick but it seems muted on the right down kick on the other side, as if I don't have the same range to activate it on the right side of the body at the hip. I'm not explaining this well, but if you have any idea of what might be happening I would be grateful to hear. So you don't imagine I'm doing something really bizarre, a swim coach looked at my stroke in a video and said it look's like a swim team member. But I am way slower than I should be. Ashamed to suggest a time. There are countless people twice as fast. And I do think the error is in this kick. AT the very least, though, thank you for this video as results seem to show it has helped and might even help more. :)
Coach Mandy = great always..
i think that the moving sequence is an importsnt point .. thanks💐
Muhammad Abraham yes always and you’re welcome! 🏊🏼♂️🙏🏽
SWIMVICE .. hope one day I have your swiming tecknic 🙏
Thank you so much for the periodical tips/guidance in bettering the techniques....really helpful. Cheers 🖒
You’re welcome Avijit 🙏🏽 thank you for your continued support! Enjoy your swim! 🏊🏼♂️😄🙌🏽 -Coach M
Excellent demos
Thank you for your swimming advice, I really need it so keep doing what you do ❤️😊
Awesome Blazej Keep it up! 🙌😀🏊 -Coach Mandy
Thank You for sharing love the demo
You’re welcome Kim! Enjoy your practice 🙌😄 -Coach Mandy
i really love your videos...i got so many tips about our own training..i am training my daughter to be a triathlete...i only based on videos since i am not a good swimmer...i use your videos..so many thanks to you
Hope all is well and thank you for watching! Hope you two are continuing to train and compete! -CM 🏊♂️🙌
@@SWIMVICE we cannot train for now because of the pandemic...missing much the water
Yes, same here as well. The water will be back, it’s just a matter of time. Hope you all are able to get the vaccine! 🙌🙏🏊♂️
@@SWIMVICE we are also hopeful that time comes will be normal again...competitions are limited only to virtual...
Hi Mandy, just want to say a big thank you as I have been watching the freestyle kick videos you have on your channel and discovered I am kicking disconnected, which I am hoping is the cause of my slow speed in freestyle 😁.
Hi dakzer five you’re welcome and thank you for the support! Yes if the kick timing is off, it will definitely cause you to swim slower. Good news is it is possible to fix so definitely keep tuning in as I will have more coming out soon! Also, keep me posted on your training. 👍🏼🏊🏼♂️🔥😄 -Coach Mandy
SWIMVICE That is fantastic news Mandy. Cannot wait to see more kick timing videos 😀. After watching this video 100 times 😂, I was able to spend 30 minutes in the pool today trying to focus on synchronising my down kick with the opposite arm. You make it look so easy Mandy. I 1st tried to do a 2 beat kick, but that was too hard. But on the random lengths where I managed to synchronise the kick correctly, i noticed my speed was quicker without any extra effort. Actually felt easier wow. I will keep practicing.
dakzer five haha no worries! That’s awesome though thank you for sharing. You will start to learn a natural 4 or 6 beat kick first then the 2 beat will follow once you are more comfortable with it. It will happen it’s just a matter of time you’re on the right track! 👏🏼🙌🏽 #consistencyiskey
Brilliant!
I have no doubt that properly coordinating the kick with the rest of the body is important. But, many years ago, I "discovered" that people have varying degrees of "kinesthetic sense." Athletes tend to have lots; some of us have very little. Thus, for those of us low on the k.s. scale, can you suggest some drills or such to help us get the timing right since we have little idea of what our legs are really doing?
See www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20499558
Hi Tim yes I definitely agree with you. I will be coming out with these soon but for now this is just quick tips showing the differences of a common habit in freestyle. It’s really good to observe this now to really understand it in full form before breaking it down. Other than this point, how’s your training going? -Coach M
Also relevant: archive.sciendo.com/SSR/ssr.2010.xix.issue-5-6/v10237-011-0037-4/v10237-011-0037-4.pdf
@@SWIMVICE One problem we loners face is that, without a knowledgeable coach or videos, it is extremely difficult to know one's form, errors, etc.
I am swimming 3 or 4 days each week, ~2400 yards in 45 min, all freestyle. My yardage varies a bit from day to day, which may be the result of more or less rest, or maybe some days my "form" is better. But, at 75 y .o., I'll take what I can get swim-wise. I am convinced the "Total Immersion" approach is right for me, but except for times, it is hard to know when I'm improving or regressing :-).
Very good tip.♥️
Theres just too much to think about while swimming...especially for the non-competitive swimmers like myself. 😀 Paralysis by analysis. I do enjoy the tips. 👍
David Wilson this is just showing the difference. Usually the kick is timed right when the legs just relax. When there’s too much thinking is when it happens on the same side. Enjoy your practice! -Coach M
The biomechanics of swimming is so complex. I see how you performed the 2 beat kick and stroke (timing?),but there is also a 4and6 beat kick. Wow. I was taught to kick and stroke and that was it as a kid.
great video how to connect leg and hand and sync together
Will you please direct me to a drill that help me sync my catch with contralateral kick ? Thank you for the video. Very nice tip
nada sulaiman coming out soon! This is just showing you the difference between the two 🙌🏽-Coach M
I too would like to learn this kick.
Perfect!
awesome as always, thanks coach!! 😋😋
alberto maximiliano you’re welcome! 🏊🏼♂️👏🏼
Hi Mandy, thanks for the video. Up to now, I've just been kicking with no thought to timing and actually no idea whether I've a 6 beat kick or 5 or 5.5! :) Ive decided to spend some if my practice doing a 2 beat kick as you've shown here, focusing on kicking just as I start to transition from the catch to the pull on that side. I decided that way as I'm not certain of my consistency of timing of my other arm (front quadrant swimming?). It felt very odd trying a 2 beat kick and can only do a few strokes before it goes wrong but I'll persevere with it.
Endo that’s great. Actually if you feel the timing is there for a few strokes then the timing is there it’s just a matter of relaxing and consistently focusing on swimming from the hips. The timing will come through and will feel more natural overtime. You will get it just keep practicing through it. 👍🏼🏊🏼♂️ -CM
@@SWIMVICE Hi Coach Mandy, I thought you might like an update on progress! Before lock down I was doing a few minutes of 2 beat kick practice at the end of my pool swim sessions if there was time left. I got to the point where I was probably swimming about 20 metres before it broke down. I've been back in Open Water for a month now after a 5.5 month layoff. Last week I thought I'd pick this up again, practicing on a 250M circuit. I found that after 2 sessions I was able to swim a 75 metre leg, keeping the 2 beat going. However, old bad habits returned: not swimming straight and especially holding my breath through concentration. I'll keep going and hope when I have to think less my breathing will get back to normal again!
Amazing info, it will help my FR to be more efficient with less kicking. Do I still follow 2 beat if I want to swim faster / timed swimming?
Hi - yes, it depends on what speed you are trying to go for. Are you swimming distance or sprints?
so mandy.............do we kick with the leg/arm on the same side or right arm,left leg? i'm a retired coach out of the 60's, 70's 80's and have been swimming usms since 1985. kicking was always my weakness.
If, I understand when we draw water with the right hand, we make a beat with the right leg
Hi Coach. Thank you for the video tips. I am Working hard to improve my technique, aiming to swim like you do in the 3rd demo. Your legs are soooo much quieter than mine in that 3rd demo. I wish that view was about 1 minute longer so I could memorize your technique. Very graceful. Question: with such quiet legs are 2 min per 100 meter times possible over 1500 meters? I would like to be in that 215 tom200 range. Great videos -thanks again. :)
Hi Peter! Yes you can absolutely swim a 2min per 100 and even significantly faster than that. Also, I have an older video where I demo all 3 kick patterns here ▶️ ruclips.net/video/qPQcHBHVYWo/видео.html
Stayed tuned as I will have more content on this subject. In the meantime start to swim from your hips and it will begin to happen naturally. Enjoy your practice and keep me posted! 🙌🏽👏🏼🏊🏼♂️ -Coach M
Reading through the comments, it seems like some people are confusing hand entry with catch. They are two completely different things. Hand entry should happen as the opposite leg kicks down. The hand will push a little further forward as you rotate onto that side, then catch the begins. Right as the catch transitions into the pull, the leg on the same side should be kicking down, and the opposite hand should be entering.
dg5301 correct 👍🏼
Is their any videos that talk about what swimming form or technique, can help or cause pain in your hip, neck or back.
Yes, I do actually. ✅ ruclips.net/video/jDmASOi3LM8/видео.html
This video goes through what happens when you are out of alignment in the water. This can cause pain in your lower back or your neck. 🙌🏊♀️ Best, Coach Mandy
** Correction here is the video: ruclips.net/video/jDmASOi3LM8/видео.html
I got pull-buoy dependent over the last few months after some ankle & knee issues, and it's been a struggle to get my 2 beat kick right. I've been getting by with 4 beat for most of my workout, but I can tell that the timing is still hit & miss a lot of the time. I think I'm going to have to suck it up and force myself to do 2 beat until I get it back.
dg5301 well you were using the pull buoy for your injury and that is definitely for a different reason which I can understand. If you use it for specific reason such as that then of course it is helpful but if it’s used for buoyancy and not moving forward without it, then it can cause the connection to be lost. Try small distances with a two beat but a 4 beat is perfectly fine and works very well. It will come an go it’s a part of the process. Keep me posted on how it goes! -Coach M
Thanks! I'll give that a try. I've definitely learned how people can get addicted to the buoyancy & free glide.
dg5301 oh yeah definitely. That’s why it’s always a good thing to constantly evaluate whether you are using a swim tool for something specific versus a using it as a dependency . 👍🏼🏊🏼♂️ If your in the US I hope you are enjoying the holiday time off! 🦃
Thanks! Hope you do the same! I really enjoy your fresh perspective & teaching style. Looking forward to what's next :)
I've had 6 or 7 sessions and have done the last 3 buoy-free except for a few hundreds when using paddles. My 2-beat feels like it's getting better and I've had a few extended periods when I really feel locked in. It still comes & goes like you said it would, but I can tell it's improving. Thanks so much!
Hi Mandy, I’m a bit confused that at 1:02 you said “should be connected, NOT kicking on same side”. , but toward end of blog so about 3:00 the vid shows kicking same side?
Can you clarify? Ty
Great question - the kick is disconnected if you are kicking down on the same side your body rotates down. (i.e. kick right leg with right hand entry).
Here is a more recent video demonstrating all three kick patterns here: ruclips.net/video/og7GZ59T76g/видео.html
👉🏼 If you are looking to learn how to time your kick properly, I have a complete step by step course on how to practice and execute a connected two beat kick. It is inside the SWIMVICE Kickstart Program 1-2.
Check it out for 7 days free inside the platform here: community.swimvice.com
Let me know if you have any questions! Best, Coach Mandy
What should be same side or opposite ???
Platonic Lover opposite based on the entry. When your right leg kicks down it will naturally rotate you to the opposite side. 👍🏼🏊🏼♂️ -Coach M
@@SWIMVICE thanks
Hi Mandy, so do we kick with our 'right leg' as our 'right arm' moves under us?
Correct ✅ I teach and demonstrate by focusing on the entering arm instead of the arm moving back. (I.e right leg kick - left arm entry) However, both are correct. Just a different way of looking at it. Hope this helps clarify and if you are interested in learning how to execute a 2BK, join the SWIMVICE Kickstart Program for 7 days free. 🏊🏻♂️ Go to: linktr.ee/swimvice to learn more!
Best, Coach Mandy
so basically demo 3 kick when you pull?
Coach Mandy it seems your hands goes a little deeper as you freestyle, is it require to have your hand at the top, as you switch sides
Hello Hattie,
Thank you for your comment. Every swimmer's stroke is unique and it's important to find what works best for your body. While some swimmers may prefer to have their hands at the surface as they switch sides, it's not necessarily required. In fact, slightly lowering the arms can help with body alignment. It's all about finding a comfortable and efficient technique that allows you to move through the water effectively.
If you're looking for more personalized advice, I recommend checking out the SWIMVICE Freestyle Program: swimvice.com/
Best regards,
Coach Mandy
Its like graceful freestyle right coach M?
Can you explain the timing of the catch with the down kick in 2BK freestyle, please? I guess they happen at the same time, and when your body (torso) is flat the pull (power phase) actually happens then you gain the max propulsion. Thank you.
Xuan Loc yes the catch happens at the same time. The hip connects the catch as it is a whole body movement. 👍🏼🏊🏼♂️ -Coach M
So you should kick down to raise opposite hip as the opposite arm pulls, correct?
Hi Margie when you kick down with the right leg, your left hip rotates down. Or think of it as the left side of your body rotates down. When you kick down with the right leg, it rotates you to the opposite side of your body. For example, when you run, you swing your right arm forward as your left leg swings forward like this emoji 😄👉🏼 🏃🏼♀️🏃🏻♀️. It’s the same mechanics in the water as well. Watch the demo based on the arm entering the water. Left arm enters the water while my right leg kicks down. 👍🏼 -Coach M
I usedvto be able to kick well as a younger squad swimmer and was around 27 secs for 50 freestyle
Im now in my 50's and back swimming masters
Ive been mixing up my training with sprint and slower distance work and drills
I am back down to 30,5 for my 50 free but my kicking is really out of time and lacking in power
Could you please direct me to some drills to improve this
Cheers👍😁
Hi Chris! Thank you for sharing your current results. I will have more on this subject in the future. In the meantime, focus on swimming from your hips and the kick will start to naturally connect properly. Avoid a pull buoy for now and prioritize the feeling of the rotation and power start from the hips! Stay connected and keep me posted on your progress! 🙌🏽👍🏼🏊🏼♂️ -Coach Mandy
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Thanks for that
Sounds good
Ive been using the pull bouy too much trying to get my arm technique better
Time to ditch the pull bouy and start kicking again 😁👍
Hello Mandy . I am french so maybe I didn’t understand what you explained . Is the demo 2 correct with the opposite side kicking ? Or the best is the 2 b same side kicking and stroke to feel better the connection ?
Thanks for your answer and videos . 😊
jean luc graves ah my apologies. Demo 2 is 50/50. First half is not connected the second half I corrected it. Demo 3 is correct the entire way. 😄🙌🏽🏊🏼♂️ -Coach M
This time I understand . Thank you . But I’ve got an other question . Is it so important in free style to kick and stroke at the same side ? 🤔
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So I have been doing a two beat kick on the same side as my arm entry. You’re saying do the opposite to achieve better rotation? How do I undo this muscle memory I’ve been doing for years?
Hi Ben yes the kick down happens when your opposite hand enters the water. It’s like walking or running the connection happens across the body and you feel a significant glide moving forward. Here’s an older video where I demonstrated all three variations of the kick (2,4, and 6 beat kick) : ruclips.net/video/qPQcHBHVYWo/видео.html
Typically swimming with a pull buoy for too long can cause this or it can just happen. The best thing to do for now is relax your legs as much as possible and focus on the hip rotation not your feet you will start to correct it from there. I will be coming out with a series soon to help with this but in the meantime relaxing the legs is the first step to get out of that pattern. 🏊🏼♂️👍🏼 -Coach M
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A little confused by this clip. In another one of your video's (Practice Freestyle Kick Timing) you say to time your reach and kick as if you'd be walking. Step forward equals to a kick means your opposite hand reaches. I don't see that happening here. I see more of a delayed kick as you reach. It looks more like a kick when you pull.
Am I missing something here about timing?
Hi Kico, thank you for your question. I understand your confusion. Where the timing occurs is connected from the hips. So when my right hand enters, my left hip drives up at the same time. What you may be seeing as a delay is the finish of the kick from my foot. It’s a snap from the foot to finish and complete the kick so by perception, it looks “delayed”. You can either look at the connection happening from the right hand entering with a left hip rotation OR a left hip rotation connected with the left catch (aka pull).
They are one in the same it’s just a different way to look at it. The focus on land is so you feel the connection from the hip to the forward extension (this is how I prefer to Coach this part). It’s difficult on land to finish the full end of the kick from the foot. It ends up following through correctly when focusing on the hips anyways. So the main priority is feeling the connect from the center of your body. 🙌👍🏊♂️-Coach Mandy
@@SWIMVICE Thank you for your reply. I understand what you say about the initiation coming from the hip. Like cracking a whip, the end of the tip moves "long" after swinging the arm.
Yes, exactly 🙌👍
The funny thing is you still look good even when you tried to do it wrong in the first part.
I don't understand. You are clearly kicking down on the same side your arm is pulling. Could you clarify?
Yes, both are correct. It’s how you look at it. However, in this video and on my channel I refer to the entering arm not the pulling arm for multiple reasons.
Entering arm = opposite side leg
Pulling arm = same side leg
They are both equally correct. Hope this helps clarify! Best, Coach Mandy
@@SWIMVICE thanks a lot for the clarification.
I need that demo three on a loop. I wish there’s videos were a teeny bit longer so I could just stare at it. I know. I must be really stupid but just as I think I get it the video stops.
I have a complete step by step course on how to practice and execute a two beat kick. It is inside my SWIMVICE Kickstart program 1-2. Check it out for 7 days free inside the platform here: Go to: linktr.ee/swimvice to learn more.
Let me know if you have any questions! Best, Coach Mandy
@@SWIMVICE thanks so much. I’ll check that out. I really struggle with coordination! Thanks. :-)
This is my biggest nightmare. I just cannot cannot cannot get it right. Arghhhh.
There is a systematic approach to being able to execute this skill. Check out the SWIMVICE Kickstart program mentioned in your earlier comment! 😎👏 -CM
OMG.... I've been doing wrong for so LONG....
Lol, it's okay! That's what I am here for. Check out the SWIMVICE | Kickstart Program 1-2. This course shows you how to rebuild your foundation and kick timing to be able to execute a 2,4, or a 6BK. Click here : linktr.ee/swimvice
Best,
Coach Mandy
Then why on a 50 meter sprint you definitely don’t do a two kick count, instead you have to kick as hard as you can, cause your kick is what propels you forward for speed. That’s why you see professionals making huge splashes on there 50 free.
Yes - for sprint events, a six beat kick is used. However, the two beat kick pattern is the foundation of a sprint kick. It is connected the same and is all explained inside the SWIMVICE freestyle program. Learn more at: swimvice.com 🙌🏼😎
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