No, the Spec II Update Does Not Fix Gran Turismo 7 - Stop Acting Like It Does.
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
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GT Critique Bonus Episode! Obvious hyperbole in the title and thumbnail aside, Spec II does some good stuff. But if this is as good as it’ll ever get with GT7, then don’t expect me to be making more videos like this...
Gran Turismo - My Version: • Gran Turismo - My Version
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Music (in order):
The Tempest to Triumph - Lenny Ibizzare (Gran Turismo 7)
Journey to the One - Makoto (Gran Turismo 5)
Thru - Koji Nakagawa (Ridge Racer Type 4)
Nu York Dub - Lenny Ibizarre (Gran Turismo 7)
An Old Bassman - Isamu Ohira (Gran Turismo 4)
Smooth Talking - Satoshi Bando (Gran Turismo 5)
Channels credited:
/ @tpl-motorsport
/ @stevio2175
/ @hsgautomotive
/ @xtimelessgaming
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0:00 Introduction
1:57 New Cars
5:13 New Track
6:33 My Thoughts on Previous Updates
7:34 Master Licence
9:28 New Events and Races
15:44 Weekly Challenges
18:39 GT Sophy 2.0
19:47 Increased Quick Race and Custom Race Payouts
21:09 Other Alterations and Additions
22:13 What’s the Point? (Summary + My Thoughts) 
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The problem with the Spec 2 update is that people see it as a solution to the problems instead of an addition of features
Goes to show how washed up the racing fanbases is
@scuckplexity not washed up but rather complacent, Polyphony putting a band-aid on a gouging wound ended up satisfying a concerningly high amount of players which tells me they're almost being rewarded for not looking at and fixing the main issue causing the problem here
@@TheCarsfan4ever kind of the word that I'm looking for
That's why Forza Motorsport is way better than this! I hope Sony & PD go defuct & bankrupt because i already hate this game.
@@user-tg5wf2hq7r nope try again
dragging the game through a content drought for a while to raise the appetites of those suffering from buyer's remorse and then dropping an update to be heralded as "the patch that fixed the game" seems to be a more common strategy these days.
Create a problem, then sell or dripfeed the solution. Games as a service, or Stockholm syndrome as a service, in a nutshell.
Is anyone saying this fixed GT7?
@@wiegraf9009 yes, it's pretty common copium on GT Planet
@@sswishbone Maybe right after it dropped but I was just on GTP and the GT7 section is almost totally dead. More activity in the tuning section than the general forum, lol.
Not doubting you, I know how insane those people get about pointing out the glaring problems with PD's games, it just looks to me that people played it for a day or two, realized next to nothing was added and left.
That's what I did. Tuned the LFA, cursed PD for not getting a good cockpit sound (sounds like a vacuum cleaner unless you're in chase cam, lol) and left.
I logged back in and did the first of the master license, but as far as I can tell there still isn't any content the license unlocks (races or cars that can only be had by gold'ing all the events), so I got bored and haven't been back since. And this was after being away from the game for 3-4 months... I think it's dead aside from the few thousand people worldwide that are really into the online tournaments
@@mfallen6894 GTP has definitely fallen off, I left the game behind over a year ago, been getting way more entertainment from a new playthrough of GT4. It's really sad, GT7 has so much right about it. The terrible economy, solo campaign, broken online and constant features no one asked for keeps driving more nails into the coffin.
It's certainly a big step in the right direction, but it's still far from the game that was promised at launch, and still has a lot of areas it can improve upon. I'm hoping the positive feedback to this update encourages them to continue to take big strides and add new features instead of just new cars and menus.
“Big” doesn’t really suit. Theres hardly any substantial content added aside from sophy and some meaningless licence tests
increased rewards and weekly challenge is a pretty big change imo@@saabviggen4069
Substite 'cars' for your choice of word and some say you'd summarise a bunch of games
@@FarmYardGamingSometimes they intentionally choose not to add new features that they have in mind in order to add them in a new game to give players more reasons to buy that newer game. But that just begs the question, why not put both the new features and the new "items" (substitute it for your choice of word) into the new game to make it a more compelling purchase rather than add new "items" to the previous game and reuse them in the new game with the new features thus making the newer game less worthwhile to purchase?
No it's not. This is the backward step to me. Forza Motorsport is way better.
I talked to some friends about your content and they've said "he has come a long way from crying about gt7 and nitpicking" which just shows how much shit the racing community tolerates being thrown at them that any amount of solid criticism gets misunderstood as bitching and moaning. In society in general I notice a lot of distain towards talking in detail about anything, that's how low standards and attention spans are now.
Kind of explains a lot about this world we live in, I guess?
I feel like anti-intellectualism is more and more present these days. Don't question, don't analyze, just consume.
@@PositronCannon "Don't asks questions. Just consume product then get excited for next product"
That's society in a nutshell tho
I think the issue is that people assume that the ones who have detailed criticisms about anything are the kind of people that are too deeply interested in whatever it is that they are criticising so they just pass them off as "turbo nerds" or "people who need to take a break to go touch grass". In reality the ones who have those criticisms and take the time and effort to explain what they think is wrong and what should be done are the ones who can see the most potential in whatever it is they are criticising and are simply pointing them out in the hopes that the product can be improved not just for them but for everybody else. In fact the products get diluted because of the people who don't bother to see how the product could be improved and who keep telling those "turbo nerds" to "touch grass" as they just accept whatever they get given. I know people want their products to appeal to everybody in order to sell as many of them as possible but you simply cannot please everybody. That's why niches exist in the first place.
Yes, there are people who are too invested in things who definitely need to actually touch grass and there are times where it's better to have a casual interest in something rather than being deeply invested in it but there are nuances to all of those things. The gaming community in general suffers from criticism not being addressed properly as new people constantly join the gaming community with no standards (because they are just starting to play games for the first time and are still finding out about games without knowing what is good or bad about games), people who simply don't have a big enough interest in games so they can't offer meaningful criticisms while people with valid criticisms either don't get their criticisms addressed ("take a break and go do something else you nerd") or they get lumped in with the ones with terrible criticisms/toxic members of the community or both. And there are those who despite having played games for a long time still have terrible standards for games who will just accept whatever you give them (doesn't matter if it's a work of art or a pile of s***). Makes me wonder how developers decide who to listen to and whose feedback is more important (apart from the ones who spend the most money on microtransactions though that is moreso the fault of greedy publishers than developers).
I need a Roflwaffle for like 5 other gaming franchises. Really appreciate the work you do for GT. Its truly one of the last IPs I really would go to bat for. Still cautiously optimistic; surely Kaz has an end vision in mind that truly values the playerbase, new and legacy. SURELY, he doesn't personally enjoy playing this himself.
Im not sure if it's correct, but i heard some somewhere, at some point (maybe even from this channel) that Kaz apparently doesn't go back to play older GT installments. Im really not sure if it's true, and i really hope it isn't.
If he plays its Sport mode. Nobody that has purchased the cars they want (thank god for the scripts and Tomahawk glitches in the few months after launch!) is playing the "career" regularly. I take 4-5mo breaks, come back to a few updates worth of content, and then go back to 4mo break after 3-4 days. It's pathetic
@@mfallen6894 yes, yes they are.
Funny you say that, there's MrRoflwaffles. He mostly does Call of duty zombies content lol.
you guys are just idiots nostalgic for your childhoods. If Gran Turismo wants to be taken seriously, it had to take steps into sim racing. Listening to these idiotic complaints about no fantastical cars just makes me cringe. Move forward guys. It makes no sense to upgrade a gt3 car.
You're completely right about the over-hyping of content that should've been there to begin with. However, I'm very satisfied with the positive changes in terms of "casual play" payouts, in particular. Now I don't feel like it's a waste of time working through my garage using custom/quick/Sophy races because I'll have a good time AND I don't feel as if I've been robbed of a just reward for doing so. I recently earned 150k for a 12 minute race around Alsace Village using the Copen (inspired by the original Licence tests). This is just one example of the game finally providing me with an outlet for the way I prefer to play the single player component of GT7.
It isn’t perfect or fixes the game of course, but it’s a much-needed step in the right direction. The real thing for me that they need to do is not take their foot of the gas (pun not intended), and keep dropping better updates like these. If not of more cars and tracks, then more compelling events and campaign overhauls.
Events... We have plenty of cars and tracks, just nothing to do with them. I'd like to see some newer cars, but I'll gladly take all the championships, endurance, etc that SHOULD be unlocked by completing each license tier (ie the meat and potatoes of every other GT game) over new cars if there isn't anything worth using them in/on.
I knew this was going to be the tone of the video. When people say this is a fantastic update, they're saying it's fantastic by GT7 standards. Said standard is still debatable I want to say but it's clearly low by a lot of people. I had lots of fun with this update but yeah, it doesn't fix GT7.
This update doesn’t even scratch the surface of what is so wrong about GT7. There is still no proper career mode, races are still chase the rabbit challenges instead of actual proper grid start races. Still no GT League and no added Championships. Still no b-spec mode. An unfinished music rally. Where is endurances races? High tier licenses are useless. This update is a step in the right direction but more big updates are needed
All true!
I agree it certainly isn't enough but it is a good step in the right direction. Quality of life updates are always welcome.
What is really like to see is them fill online lobbies with sophy racers when people back out.
Someone backs out, and a hell bent on winning sophy emerges from the pit exit
I'm not particularly convinced that the many people think GT7 is fixed now. I think it's more just that GT7 has taken a genuinely positive step and people are really happy to see that. Hopefully, if this positive step is celebrated and well-received, it would incentivise PD to carry on down that path. Alternatively, they could just throw all that good will in the bin to try and push for more microtransactions! You never know 😂
The first GT I actually played was Sport in 2021 after all the updates and I've never had so much fun with a racing game, I know it's not the campaign with freedom like the old ones, but the driver's school, missions and experience circuits were a lot of fun to complete, at least for me who comes from modern Forza Motorsport which lacks variety in the campaign. So despite your criticisms, I can't wait to buy a PS5 and play GT7 because it looks like an expanded GTSports to me
well you'll probably love GT7 honestly mate, the biggest critique of the game is that its really just GT Sport 2.0
Yeah the game really is more of a "Gran Turismo Sport: 2" than it is Gran Turismo 7. The online side of it works really well, despite the downfalls mentioned here and elsewhere.
It is actually almost hilarious that you released this video today. Earlier today, Forza dropped a seven gigabyte update to the game to fix a host of issues. About 200 if the talk about it is true. We did get a new track, Yas Marina, and added 2 more single player events (about 2 more hours of single player content depending how fast you are). The sad thing is, this update was mainly just to fix a game that was flawed in a huge way. Similar to what you said, this update really doen't fix the core issue of the game. Having never played GT7, I do get a few "the grass is greener" moments when listening about the stuff that was added. Right now in Forza, it feel's like you are shackled to what few cars you get and you just have to hope that whatever the new online hopper for the week is will let you use them or else it is another 2 hours mindlessly grinding out car levels. Great video as always.
The term "Band-aid over a gaping flesh wound" comes to mind.
Im suprised they thought weekly challenges, ONE track, 7 cars and a bit of miscellaneous crap was enough to call it Spec 2. Its a big update dont get me wrong, but it doesnt feel like it. Its just... more of the same (appart from the weekly stuff).
The master licences are nice but how long is that going to keep you occupied?
The new meet-up format is nice but people who are more interested in the singleplayer probably wont care much.
7 cars and a track are nice but there are more glaring issues, etc.
Not to call this a good update, but this is what Spec 2.0 updates have been since gt5, a bit more content than usual, some qol changes and improvements and some special events. GT5 Spec 2.0's biggest new features were an intro and interior cam for standard cars...
@@De_kaidThats true but I also think that was underwhelming as well.
The fact that the older Spec 2 updates didnt have that much content doesnt make my argument invalid. I think in both cases its a bit much to call it "Version 2" when its just a bigger normal update.
Gt7s Spec 2 update was pretty damn big dont get me wrong but appart from a couple things like the weekly challenges or the master licences not much has changed.
The races are still broken as ever (appart from the "peppers"), there are just more of them now.
The car list still feels a bit... hollow i guess and 7 cars wont do THAT much of a dent.
Some could even go as far as saying the master licence are just the same stuff again, although i whouldnt go quite as far.
The problem is not that this less content relative to other Spec 2 updates.
Its that its only a couple hours extra content in a flawed game that, like Roflwaffle said, should have had a lot of this crap at launch.
Im not saying that i didnt enjoy the LFA or the new circuit (for like 5 hours) its just...
Over a year after launch, with the technology available in 2023 I expected more.
Economy fixes regarding car cost and prize money, the AI, maybe even going back some other cars and adding upgrades to certain underpowered Vgt or some sh!t like that. ANYTHING that isnt just adding more icing on this cake that got nuked with a pipe bomb.
Aside from the updates, I think Gran Turismo got rid of the Cafe menu's and gave us the old retro menu back from GT4 I would been happy with the game in general, loving the updates so far and I'm glad to see your take on it as you've covered quite a bit
@@o_pedro_oficial I agree, gran turismo 5-6 brought like story mode missions from famous drivers, I think they should make a racing storyline for single player or try something around different racing categories, I don't if you ever played driveclub multiplayer but it had tons of choices of multiplayer categories and I remember early on gran turismo 7 they did a rallycross race, I think they should do that again
i feel like the big gt influencers just keep pandering to polyphony and get their checks instead of addressing this stuff like you do.
the spec II shows that polyphony at least is listening to some extent and videos like yours could in fact be very constructive, which makes me wonder why don't more people do it instead of acting like a PR Joe who works for polyphony.
Think it's a step going in the correct direction, like Spec 2 in GT5 was.
Do hope they keep it up and add more of the stuff they cut from it into the game.
What saddens me is that I've seen probably over a dozen comments/posts now about how the Event Directory "makes this play Just like GT4/old GT"
How can a significant chunk of the fanbase be that easily fooled by a menu change? It's actually scary
It definitely doesn’t fix it but it breathed a ton of fresh air back into the game that was desperately needed.
I think what would be AMAZING would be if they did a campaign focused update, where they add a new game+ campaign. It would be like other new game+ modes where you effectively start from the beginning but with the cars you already have. My vision for it however would be that you finish the menu books in the base game, then the game unlocks a new game+ campaign that utilizes the same events from the base campaign but they’re all chili pepper races. The ai cars would be upgraded because your cars you own that are eligible in the events are probably upgraded anyway. Instead of being structured as menu books, they’re structured as championships like in the old gran turismos. They pay out much more money making the end game income much more suitable and tolerable for saving up for the super expensive cars. And this new game+ campaign would not only include all the events from base game restructured as chili pepper races, but would also include plenty of completely new events that utilize cars that were not utilized much in the base campaign.
In my opinion it should be that to unlock this new game+ mode, you must beat every single world circuit event and complete all the master licenses. This solves the problems of not enough events, events being disorganized once you’re done with the menu books, not enough interesting events, end game payouts being poor, and plenty of cars lacking purpose for events. To me one of the biggest culprits that has crippled gran turismo for a while is a lack of endgame for the single player experience which is what I had in mind with this sort of idea.
A bonus idea for event types would be events that are restricted to engine swapped cars, and even narrow it down to specific engine swaps
My biggest gripe is the terrible AI. Sophy is really fantastic, if they can implement it in all of career it would be great.
We need more missions, more endurance races with REPEATABLE rewards. And more hot chili pepper races and I’m good. More GT3/4 cars would be nice too
IMO, Missions and Hot Chili pepper races are my least favorite races as an assist (auto-drive) racer since you got slow cars faster than you and racers pit maneuvering you when switching lanes (ie Daytona GT3 Cup). I suggest WTC 800 pr simple races with higher payouts by maybe 800,000cr or 1,000,000cr
It would be better if chili 🌶️ races are the gold standard and a better career mode, and amplify it with Sophy. Not to return to the old GT career style, but do something more rewarding than GT7
@@angeltheedmfan6369 you’re a minority though man. And I don’t mean that to be rude, but let’s be real, it’s a tiny % of people running on auto drive
There's this super cool thing called custom races where you can configure all the endurance races you want and now the payoffs are somewhat more commensurate so idk what you're whining about
@@FrankenslideI second this
The way I see it as someone who played this game pretty regularly for a few months after release, but eventually dropped off hard in no small part because of the progression and game economy situation, I think that the Spec II update isn`t the cure that instantly fixes the game, but rather a pretty big hop in the rigyt direction. The race directory alone is a massive QOL improvement, and instantly makes the update worth it, atleast for me.
I also think that expecting an update as big as this one every month is pretty unrealistic, in no small part because an update of this scale would probably more people to be actually supporting the game than they probably have (I`d imagine the next GT is in the works), and I`d be willing to bet that alot of the stuff they added has been cooking for a looong time, with them deciding to hold stuff back in order to drop it all in a "big" update. Heck, I`d wager they were holding this one in the chamber for a while, in order to drop it when they did, and try to pull people`s attention from their rival Forza (or atleast the timing was kind of sus, IMO)
With all that said, while I don`t expect them to release such big updates every month, it`s perfectly reasonable to expect them to release at least 2-3 big updates a year. Same goes for Forza for that matter, especially after that terrible launch
The chili pepper races ARE Gran Tusimo for me, the perfect representation of what the game's soul is
About chilli pepper races, I think they very much know that, for the game to have a wide reaching audience, it needs a wide spectrum of difficulty levels in races, particularly the early ones. It's business, if you want your game to sell well (regardless of quality) it needs to be approachable.
The pepper races may have been an experiment from the devs to appeal to hardcore players without alienating the more casual ones (like how challenge modes in Kirby games are handled, down to the peppers hehe). The other option would be to make every race's difficulty customizable like Forza does, but then one could complain devs are asking players to design the diff curve themselves.
While I do like the pepper races, I understand why the game is not majorly focused on them (sadly the real driving simulator is not necessary a real racing simulator), seeing a large portion of the update races being those challenge races means the devs may be looking to expand the game's appeal for that more hardcore audience in the single player aspect.
in sum, now that the game is out, casuals bought in, and the game has 5M global copies sold, only now they can start doing more risky stuff like "super difficult" content like master licenses and peppers.
Man, modern gaming is a mess...
For me, what I don't understand is why does it take a "Spec II" update to bring the game closer to what it should have been from launch? Why settle for the bare minimum, then "drip-feed" content until it's actually finished? That would be like if you're assigned a task to complete on a due date, but you submit it half-finished on the day itself and then "drip-feed" revisions/additions over time until it's complete. If it was an academic setting, you get little to no marks, and if it was your job, you'll be fired. How do big corporations get away with this?
Imo the mark of a good content creator is being able to make a topic that someone has no ties to interesting. I've never played GT7 but I do love the series and it brings me joy to watch someone speak so passionately about something while still being concise and fair with criticism.
Damn, I was waiting for this hot take.
But PD are on the right direction, sort of
That’s debatable. Fix in what sense? The game isn’t a Pokémon with cars anymore, Sport was the first and 7 made it clear.
To me, the game is pretty good and the online races are awesome.
Needs a better campaign, yes, but what is there is better than GT6 for example.
He has a 2 hour video about GT7 of his problems with the game (and also mine). Yes it's mainly about the fundamentals of single player and why it's boring and linear.
No. Forza Motorsport is way better than this s*it.
As usual, i pretty much agree with everything in this video. Like the other videos, I'd be making them myself but Mr Waffle here has once again said what needs to be said for me.
I was driving grand valley today and I still say that they've butchered a classic track just to have an environment change. I still hate the basic races that start from the back.
What was nice to do was a quick race in a Subaru Impreza on Tokyo Expressway East counter clockwise at dusk. Oh man it almost felt like I was back on Special Stage Route 5 and I think they should add come clubman cup plus races here, or even include it in a championship that has the old tracks in (deep forest could be dawn/evening for example).
I also see people still bash the game for 'always online' and end up coming on to platforms that are (funnily enough) always online. When asked why they hate it its because they live in an extremely rural area and their internet drops out ever 40 minutes or so. Yea that could be annoying and maybe a simple solution is for those that want to go into Sport mode could have their saves as 'always online' as it currently is and have the option to have an 'offline save' where you'll never be allowed to go online but can enjoy the single player stuff without having to be disconnected back to music rally.
Another bash is MTX, seriously, if you paid to get enough credits for a 20mill car outright it is indeed expensive, and an incredibly dumb way to look at it. As Roflwaffle has said previously its not a pay to win game and I've never felt the need to buy any credits to afford a car I really want. Its simply some random option that I never go onto in the game. Maybe the way people look at it is wrong, so imagine supporting the developers (if the money goes to them) financially and in return you get some credits for it, rather than just have a PayPal donation page with nothing in return then at least its an optional thing that's still down to whether people want to do it or not. Look at GTA online and the profits for people buying it's in game cash, same with ultimate team for FIFA and say the golden eagles (gold coins) in War Thunder. Hey, at least in GT you can earn credits to get ALL update cars for free whereas Forza which gets high ratings makes you PAY for new cars.
We live in a time now where game bashing is almost a given for all new games (sometimes deservedly so) but most of the time it's a bandwagon that people just jump onto for the sake of it without giving a decent reason why or its just hating for the sake of hating it. Basically all ratings are now pointless to look at for an idea whether a game is any good and its more of a case where if i want to play a game for what it has, then I will get it regardless.
Meh, 'mini' rant over and it's just my take on two points that piss me off. As said, Roflwaffle has pretty much covered the proper critiques of this game and I agree with 99% of what he says.
I like what Spec two has added in some areas like the races library and more chilli races, but it's by no means fixed the game. I also know that some parts of the game I'd Critique wont have a hope to be fixed till at least the next game.
It's packaged and dressed up as Specs II because 1) it may or may not be the last content update this year so they can f-k off for holiday vacation 2) look good for newcomers when they pick up GT7 on sale during Black Friday and the holiday 3) look good for the launch of the PS5 Slim. I'm pretty sure they intentionally held back all this "content" and quality of life improvements and waited for Sony to give them the go-ahead. I mean we've seen the Tesla 3 before the game even launched I think?
I have a feeling (albeit a very unqualified one) that Polyphony might be ramping up with the extra monthly content. The Spec II update feels like it was the originally intended base for the game to expand from. Not to mention GT Sport being shut down, having to compete with the newly released Forza, over 18 months later it’s still a full priced game, and Polyphony still haven’t added promised things such as longer endurance races. The next one or two GT7 updates will be critical for its future success.
Oops about that...
A step in the right direction, but only one track feels kinda underwhelming.
The cars are a great choice.
The weekly challenges are not the most mindblowing thing but has some usefull rewards.
The new licences may be useless but they do give tickets and awesome cars.
Ive been playing GT since i was 5 and it was always because i liked the licences (This was what seperate GT from other racing games to me) so the licences are my favorite add on this update.
I just love how your critiques are so fair! You give the positives and the negatives, plus room for improvement. And I LOVE how you don’t say “this will never happen, so don’t bother asking for it.” Yeah you may sometimes say “it probably won’t” but there’s never a defeatist attitude. Unlike some other content creator I’ve watched who basically seems to want the game to fail, and once said he’d like Polyphony to add in the option to customise the cars interior…I’m not kidding.
So thank you Rofl for being the voice of the part of the GT community that actually wants GT7 to be built upon and improved! :)
I'm curious, who's that other content creator you mentioned before?
@@Zhawn7 The creator I was talking about is called naffantait. His videos aren't bad but his delivery is insanely lifeless, so it's hard to listen to.
He makes community wishlists where he puts in comments that people have commented on his videos, and lots of those comments are people asking for new cars. So I suppose that's why he gets frustrated by it, because he wants other comments other than just new cars...but at the same time, it's GT is a RACING game, cars are what the game needs, and if that's what the community wants, then he's not facilitating their wishes.
Anyways, I watch his content on max speed anyways since he also rambles, repeats himself and drags the material out to get a longer watch time.
@@joeyg.p9621 I took a first glance at his channel and his content (while inoffensive) doesn't interest me since it's just glitches and updates of recent racing games.
@@joeyg.p9621I watched his channel, He never wants the game to fail? i have no idea where you got that from? And people want things, Interior customizations like just changing interior colors from actual manufactures trims is not far off from Polyphonys style. He is pretty new so give him some time to improve and maybe give this info to him since he does read his comments and im sure would like some feedback. He has recently just started spreading his expertise on to other games and not sticking to one game. This is not an attack or anything just a sincere comment.
💯 agree with car selection. I think the issue with adding rarer cars is, who do you get the licenses from and do they have a clean model to render.
I don't even care about ultrarare cars. They're nice to collect and occasionally use but just as much as they're not daily drivers nor a common sight on trackdays, you don't use them that much in Gran Turismo either. I'd be happy with a bigger selection of shitboxes, coz my garage collection went from cheap euro hatchbacks to supercars and racing prototypes, without much of a middle ground to speak of.
Sony has 0 issues licensing any manufacturer when they can spend $500 Million per new game...
@@Vealtaz2001 Absolutely agree. My garage is "JDM stututu", kei cars, GT3 and UFOs. Nothing I can see on the road today (GT2 had most of the cars I was seeing in real life and that was amazing), no actual cars a sane person would try to track (S4, 335i, Golf R, RS3, Stinger GT...), no wagons...
Finally! Someone said it.
why you so negative?
@@TOOAWESOME95He is not negative but it's not that big of a deal as it is presented.
@@TOOAWESOME95agree. GT 7 is big negative to me. That's why Forza Motorsport is the best!
@user-tg5wf2hq7r LMAO what. Forza 8 is also a steaming pile of dogshit 😂
@@user-tg5wf2hq7r explain to me how Forza is better, I'll admit it's more fun to play rather than a more simulator game like gran turismo 7 but the lack of quality of the cars and tracks are very poor compared to gt7
I have observed a significant amount of gamers in a love/hate trap with titles such as GT7
... updates like these only serve to trick and placate frustrated gamers to protect the reputation and public consensus of an abusive entertainment vendor, who's prorities have shifted from game & content creation towards multi-industry franchising some years ago ...
Boycott GT7 and re-invest your time on other interesting pursuits, life is too short waiting around for corrupted entities blinded by their own ambition to do the right thing ...
LMAO i knew you’d make a video with this exact point. and i agree to be honest. but i’ll give credit where it’s due, PD definitely are heading towards the right direction with spec II. weekly challenges give you more incentive to play the world circuit events even though they’re pretty much existing races you can just do. so many more things i’d like to see though. actual multiclass, more than 20 cars on track (the ps4 could do it so why not gt7 on ps5?) and just more variety in events focused towards legendary cars.
I disagree. To me there's no credit for them, they ruined this game. That's why Forza Motorsport is thousand times better than this crap game. Hope Sony & PD go defuct & bankrupt that's all.
@@user-tg5wf2hq7rcalling Forza Motorsport better than GT7 is insanity.
lmao Cry harder Xbox bitchboy. Forza sucks.
@LyamBenacon Insanity? GT 7 itself is a big fiasco in single player experience. That's where Forza Motorsport wins. Graphics detail/quality is doesn't matter to me.
@@user-tg5wf2hq7r yeah, I'm sure that CarXP experience was so great on Forza that they had to fix it in less than a week after launch. And if you don't care about quality or detail, that explains a lot about the type of gamer you are.
Sadly, I don't think the true essence of the GT series will ever return. These games are supposed to be a single player world tour, with the best tracks and cars from all around the world...with tons of events and replay value...but the developers only seem to care about the online multiplayer. Just give us back that 'feeling' we had from the previous games (especially GT1-GT4), and keep your online mode for the people that actually want to be competitive, or like to suffer in crash test driving (which is most of the online experience)
Best update by far. Yes, I used the Daytona wall ride to up my collection, but the real winner is the increased payouts for custom races for me.
Now I'm driving a much wider array of cars and making decent money doing it.
Honestly how hard would it be for them to make a separate single player mode based on the old GT career mode and separate the Cafe mode from the GT mode like old GTs did it with Arcade mode? I'd say probably not too hard to implement and would literally give the players exactly what they wanted from GT7, it makes me think the Cafe thing was planned for GT Sport but giving tons of free updates the money was running low so they had to release basically GT Sport Spec 2.0 aka GT7. All they had to do was give a good and solid single player experience for it to be loved by fans, it's too focused on giving free cars like Forza Horizon 5 which makes it not too replayable, and the Cafe mode is literally boring as hell, I miss having the option to pick which car I want to race nexy based on the free selection of events presented to me, rather than going a linear path and forced to do what the game wants me to do, that's not what Gran Turismo is, Gran Turismo is literally about buying a shtbox, upgrading it to compete with faster cars in the Amateur leagues. Then getting your racing license to become a professional. Basically a Zero to Hero kinda gameplay mode. All they need to do is make a GT Mode update, and separate it from the Online Cafe mode and everyone will be happy.
Well, I still think that the credits payout is still utterly broken. Yes, we're getting a lot more from quick and custom races. But there should never be cars at 10+ mill credits, when there is literally only 1 race that pays out 1+ million. I hate to say that my enthusiasm and excitement has gotten to almost zero in just two months. I actually bought a PS5, my very first console ever, only to play GT7, because I was so intrigued by the graphics and cars. It's all as said in this video: All the parts of the game are totally disconnected, navigating the game is a user experience insult, single player career mode becomes rather dull after just a few days of playing the game, and everything ends up being about making virtual money to get those stupid cars...
You hit the nail mate. Even with all the contents from the latest update, I personally still feel very ‘lost in the middle of nowhere’ when playing GT7 as the game lacks clear single player career path innit.
Nah, the payouts are awesome
I wanna go as fast as possible because they literally nerfed the speed so hard (Bugatti Veyron in gran turismo 6 can go 574km/h standalone, but the Bugatti Chiron in this game can only go 486km/h standalone)
The biggest issues I have with GT seven are the absurd vehicle and engine mod prices and even more absurd credits rewarded for driving my ass off in the single player races, but the biggest sin of all is the online only nonsense. This game should’ve been playable completely and totally off-line with only multiplayer races being unavailable, and everything else being completely accessible.
I think it should be about a 3-4 month schedule on these things.
Because expecting MASSIVE updates Every month especially in the case of GT is just a fools errand.
What should be done is with the added races is to do more difficult ones, add in more of those races to challenge and entice SP fans. Maybe throw in a Sophy race or two as major events (JGTC styled event with Sophy AI would be nucking futs)
Then use the 3 or 4 month major updates for huge changes and additions
So basically once a month we get smaller updates with cars and Maybe a Difficult + Event thrown in here and there.
Then the 3 month Update for Massive stuff like New Courses (Which will also give them time to suggest theming...I want my Stars and Stripes back, damnit.), New features, and balancing changes.
They seem to be really getting used to how their AI Works and how it can be used to create fun events.
They just need to fix that.
However...in terms of The Roulette Tickets...
Yeah...they ain't getting rid of that.
Your critique of GT7 is pretty on point but your fantasy game doesn’t sound like anything I’d be interested in. Not just the car selection but the stylized presentation. I’d much rather have GT7 graphics with AC/C physics and setup minutia with a compelling single player formatted somewhat similar to WRC9 and maybe some car-PG element that’s not exactly as linear as FM8.
I absolutely agree with your first point. The magic in GT, and most racing games for me, was finding new, unique, or interesting cars that I hadn't fallen in love with before, and being fascinated by them.
Sure, the Porche 911 is really cool, but you can see that anywhere, and you know how it's good, and it has a good reputation. The most memorable cars in many racing games, especially GT (I mean look at the meme cars videos) are ones that you wouldn't expect.
A car that everyone knows and loves and is in every form of car media is just a car where you go "huh. neat" and move on after trying it out. A new, interesting, or just strange car is one that you actually look into.
All they need to do is add an option to share a custom race, or even better a cup of custom races. I believe that players would easily recreate some fan-favourite cups from old games. Well, Im even want to finally buy this game just to do some custom races.
For anyone attempting to make AI for a racing game, you need to study the AI in NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. The AI has a preferred line it sticks to and two "lines" that dictate the farthest to the inside and outside of the track it can go. Following it's preferred line, it has "look ahead" values dictated by one of the game's files that tells the AI the angle they're going to be taking and the individual AI calculates how much speed it can carry based on multiple attributes it has, such as the car's characteristics and the individual AI's skill ratings. On top of that, one of the AI's skill ratings is "Consistency", meaning if that value is too low sometimes the AI will underdrive a corner or overdrive a corner and drift off it's preferred line a little. Sometimes, depending on how you have the track and AI setup, it can cause the AI to make genuine mistakes on it's own where either it wrecks or it wrecks someone else.
The AI is also programmed to be aware of other cars, and if you know how, you can pull up the line that the AI is looking at and you can see it constantly adjusting so that it doesn't hit other cars.
With some tweaks, it could be perfect. How to make good AI is already out there and it's been known how to do it for close to 2.5 decades now. In the PS1 days Polyphony had an excuse, but by the PS3 there was no excuse. PCs had done it since 1994. It's an AI system that many MANY more racing games should've adapted and the genre should have never moved away from.
I actually love the update, weekly challenges and the full list of race progress in particular.
Literally all we need is a proper career mode similar to past games (gt3/4) and to have dealership cars as well as legend cars become prize cars for winning the events. Also the quality and grid stats need to be added and rolling starts need to be toned down and only used on longer circuits
100% on the Chilli Pepper races, give me more!
I bet 10 bucks, this is going to stay an exception. Soon they are going back to the usual worthless updates. 3 new cars that have little to no use.
Video after video you continue to deliver. Spec II brought me back to the game for about 3 days, it's a start, for sure. But there's a long way to go
Personally I really like the so called "glorified time attack races".
One of my favorite games of all times is Trackmania after all.
Gt7 races are an interesting in-between. They aren't full-on time attack, as you have to deviate from using the ideal line over and over.
But they also are excellent learning tools.
One cool thing is how consistent the AI is. If you retry the race and have the same pace, you will overtake AIs in the same corners.
Why this matters is, you visually get to see if you are driving slower/faster between retries. After a few attempts, you may find a way to take a corner way better, but then you have to find new lines for the rest of the track as the AI will now be in different places.
It's a constant learning experience which pushes you to drive better.
One thing that I made me discover some aspects of this game is the weekly races. Playing these old races made me use cares that I never used, and it was fun taking a car from my garage, customizing and tuning it. I don’t think this was intended by polyphony, but it works for me
The Clubman+ style races are literally what old GT games (even GT6) were all about. A huge diversity of cars and tuning with close packed racing that takes skill. That's the type of racing I expect in all racing games that feature a diverse car roster. And seasonal events in GT6 were amazing and sometimes absolutely brutal. You often got to use cars you usually don't use, plus the AI was generally much tougher and drove a diverse lineup of cars. Not to mention those seasonal events gave you loads of money and prizes.
The Australian Ford Capri is basically the other sister of the MX-5, And a Mazda that's exclusive to the Aussies, it's engine based on the 323, i always wanted this car deep inside to make it into either to GT or Forza, but no one ever was paying attention to it, glad to know i'm not the only one who likes this car, i think people who love the MX-5 will like it, rest of these obscure and forgotten cars list are also so interesting, they deserve more chance to make their debut in today games
It's literally the worst gen of Capri. It's a gutless FF
Spec 2 seems like it's Polyphony catching up to where they intended to launch. Which... sure, but as everyone has made clear, the biggest issue with GT7 isn't the amount of content itself. The issue is the lack of a proper central campaign. No, the Café blatantly isn't a campaign.
(Also, remove the Online Only requirement already. If you're that worried about cheaters, just lock offline play to an offline save, rather than locking the entire game down to a glorified demo.)
Well yeah, it's a start. It's something. I personally never pretended it was more than that. I hope this means we get more changes in the future.
I've agreed with alot of your criticisms of GT 7 in the past, but this is too much on the hyperbolic train. Part of the reason that PD was so lazy with earlier updates is because they didn't have any competition; the last main Forza game before FM8 was 2017 and PD released two games in the time since. That year and a half in between GT7 and FM8, PD grew complacent. Now, with FM8 in full swing, PD will pull the bootstraps back up after being reminded what being in competition is like.
I agree with you 100% again. If it wasn’t for the hidden content you mention, I think this is the 1 of 2 big updates. Feels like they haven’t really made new content but just given us what they already had under their sleeves. Content they were keeping from us because they were waiting for Forza to came out. It was all planned out. All the blanks from launch are finally filled. The GT standards are so high that even with all this problems, still the best racing game on console hands down. I just wish Polyphony would come out with GT1/2/3/4 with today’s graphics. Don’t change anything but the car physics and car’s graphics. Make it like alternative worlds like Mario Bros worlds.
The main thing GT7 single player needed was more championships, using different tracks and cars, like a 10 lap, 10 race option. And you could do save progress so you don't have to sacrifice 4 hours in one day. Especially no Sophy is in permanently. Also nothing added for sport mode. 😢
I've finally got this game, and I am SO FUCKING DISAPPOINTED. I have played so many games with bad design decisions, but fuck me, this game just throws stupid shit at you. It makes no sense, the entire single player is so unsatisfying. I was so hopeful that your criticism was maybe overly harsh, but you're completely right. The races are boring, economy completely broken and I just won an upgrade part worth 30k from a fucking 6 star roulette ticket, and before you say anything all the other options were also upgrade parts, no engine swaps and no cars. Then I had to go pay to change the oil in my car. In a game. I just don't get it, it's like the devs don't actually play games....
Actually, GT7 is my favourite GT game because it has custom grid with garage cars, that’s everything I need in a GT game.
Same here~ Love the custom cars I can pit, and in a measurements of like 550,600,700,750,800, and further beyond of settings of pp. Plus now with more bonus cash is even better~ Well maybe until the stupid Abarth, and low geared red bull cars you can do.. hnngh ruiners.. Haven't tried that, and not succumbing to that dumb exploit. Rather have fun, and see the treasures of made.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Most of the races in this game either use rubber banding to make the race too easy or use it to make the race too hard. The AI opponents should be programmed to stay approximately at a skill level that can achieve a respectable or impressive lap time depending on the difficulty the race is meant to present and adjustments to compensate for the player getting ahead or behind should be minimal enough that it can be passed off as either an increase in the AI's focus in response to falling behind or a relaxing of the AI's aggression in response to getting far ahead. That's the only approach that would make me feel like this is an advancement over GT2 which, as I understand it, didn't use AI as the PS1 wasn't capable of AI. Instead, GT2 used overpowered cars to compensate for the computerized drivers' inability to compete with skilled drivers in identical cars, thus presenting the same challenge to all players. Some players found the challenge easier than others but if you were a player who could win a challenging race without much trouble, either because you drove so well or because you tuned your car so well (a legitimate skill) or both, that was something that felt like an accomplishment and, if you really had to work at a race to beat it, that felt like a HUGE accomplishment. So far in GT7, even when I feel a sense of accomplishment for beating a race that took me a while to beat, I feel more frustration than accomplishment because every time I tried the race again and drove better, the AI drove better too so when I eventually did well enough that I'd have won my first attempt at the pace I'd developed over several tries, I was still losing. When I feel the greatest sense of accomplishment the game can give me, I shouldn't feel more frustrated than accomplished.
Response to "What's the Point (Summary + My Thoughts)": Why is the balance skewed so far toward the more casual players who are less likely to invest as much time into the game? Because Polyphony did a capitalism. The only gameplay which contributes any money to any affiliate of Polyphony is online gameplay. Other than that, all they care about is sales so appealing to as many people as possible is more important than appealing at all to the few true fans of the game series. Appealing to the few true fans of anything over appealing at least a little to everyone is not the most profitable thing to do so, when you only care about making money and don't care at all about actually creating something anyone truly loves, you create what we got from GT7 instead of something that truly deserves to bare the same name as Gran Turismo, Gran Turismo 2 and Gran Turismo 3... even Gran Turismo 4 deserved the name in some degree.
Glad someone else thinks the same. My major gripe is that they still didn't make getting money any easier, because the events are too boring without it
Nothing matters until they RELEASE GT7 ON PC!!!
If they fixed the VR UI *so it's not identical to GT Sport's offline-only custom UI* & missing absolutely crucial data so we can FAIRLY race in VR online instead of proclaiming how "everything" in GT 7 is in VR, it would be a bigger update than this...
Sorry, I love Gran Turismo, sincerely, I'm just frustrated with Gran Turismo 7, or as I like to call it on our weekly racing series, "GT Sport 2.0"
i doubt that, as many updates as they release, in order to deliver what was promised they'd have to rework the game from scratch, especially the career mode
one big thing that I think wouldn't be that hard to implement is playing the weekly or campaign events with real life friends, possibly even the races against other human players
All the bitching and moaning needs a serious comparison to the crap Turn 10 is pulling with FM8 and a illustration of what real disappointment actually is.
in the context of GT7, its a pretty great update, but the failures of GT7 as a GT game run a bit deeper than some new cars and weekly events - the matter of fact is this wont change.
HOWEVER, if PD can followup to SpecII and keep this momentum, the game will still be far improved from where it was at launch. honestly the doomer GT shit is getting kinda old.
Ive been saying this is what the game should’ve been from the start, NOW we can start getting real content updates hopefully
Boo hoo hoo! Poor little baby boy isn't getting his way.
The entirety of this guys channel is just shitting on GT7 lmao over half of his channel is just that
Ya know what, I really like GT7, despite all the faults. It's still a great place to collect cars and enjoy them. It's a shame it's more e-sport focused online without much chance to race the things you collect, but lobbies are always great fun for that so I can survive. I really enjoyed the single player stuff, though it is indeed limited.
A kind of Mixed feelings
I enjoy the GT-Sport online features, online racing available to any people, but also dislike the idea of this being the WHOLE game
I grow up playing older GT games, personally i love the Hard Grinding style of GT3, i mean, instead of the lack of cars and tracks, it was the pinnacle of the original series, Special Stages 5/11 events, Like the Wind, Formula Polyphony Championship, a Simple but fuctional menu for leagues, Beginner, Amateur, Profesional, Endurance and Rally events, the Car Dealership style; all cars before being selected they were shown like they were seen in pamphlet, the way to get win cars, forcing you to replay some events to win Race cars, Road version cars and finally the Identity and style of the game, a propper Original Sound track
Not enough real off line content. I'm sure that's intentional. Still, who wouldn't enjoy more circuits, and more events to enjoy the vast car collection that is of no use! I find myself doing time trials, just to drive some of my collection. Yayyy.
Been playing this game since its inception. Like most new video games, the improved graphics seem to be a distraction from the realization that I'm not having much fun, at all.
Whatever. Apathetic game manufacturers, create apathetic game players.
Haven't watched all of the video yet, i will edit the comment once im done, however i do agree that Spec II does not fix the game. It is a huge step in the right direction, however its clear that more work needs to be done. I am very happy with the update and everything it changed, however it isn't yet the game we were promised it to be.
I love how they added license tests *& making them inherently meaningless* rather than absolutely required education like in, say, GT through GT6. 🤔
Until GT adds in a full, offline singleplayer mode i will never purchase it. Sport was a joke of a game and 7 despite the constant updates is wholly geared towards online play. At least we have the pre sport games and fantasic emulators to bring the older games up to "Spec" ;)
What bothers me is we cant tune i mean buying parts for our cars before racing idk how to explain i want to buy parts in racing menu like i want racing exhaust and brakes i need to leave the race menu go all the way to GT AUTO and i need to do it over and over again sometimes i compare cars for example c63 amg vs bmw m4 i need to upgrade them for that i need to leave race go back to gt auto come back again. My wish is that we can use gt auto for upgrades in racing menu like before race starts where it says car options i hope i can explain myself thanks :)
Im wondering who the hell said it was "fixed" to begin with ?? 😂😂😂 the extra content is nice and at least its free . But nobody i spoke to actually said this
Calling this Spec II is an insult compared to GT5 Spec II. Is it a good update? Yes, absolutely. Is it enough to fix the game? No, not at all
if they put something like a replay editor and enabling us to do cinematic shots that they made for the car reveals
i would be happy enough
I normally really like hes videos
But this one didnt work
I'm really hoping for a spec III. As less people are playing the game then launch, i hope the good criticisms reach the devs.
And, I really hope by then, Sophie becomes more developed that they include it in their cups and if they actually update the career mode (or overhaul it completely), have it included for all the races, with different settings.
Like the race where you start in 1st and have to defend, the settings are made so the ai are more aggressive, while the one where you have to reach 1st place are slightly less aggressive, but more based on defense.
Polyphony Digital: Introducing Spec II Part 2: Battle Tendency (First Half)
Or
2 Spec 2 II
I play the game on PS4pro and the gameplay is so much better now. The handling has improved overall and it is more fun to play. So im happy with update 1.40. im not happy about the lack of real tracks like Silverstone, Monaco and Road America. Plus the lack of sporty road cars we own ourselves like a Volvo type R or a Ford Mondeo STi. I currently have a Honda prelude 2.2 Vti and those cars are realy fun to drive irl, but they are not in the game. 😢
Maybe a subject for your new video.
This is just a beginning as far we can see, as for the event you mention back then the thumbnail of nation 2019X are the exact same and it is quite possible they can add more for each month for bigger variety of events and more chili pepper challenge, heck maybe we can get that snow track from GT5 and 6 after all since we now have snow tires, now if only they can add more electric tune parts for EV/Hybrid type. December has to big holiday update, I wanted to reach at least 500 cars and 30-40 events and maybe more cars ticket from weekly challenge since is more 100% chance and sellable for profit. As for the finals are coming too we might get special event for limit time, who knows perhaps GT7 can be saved after all.
I was kinda hoping this was an overview of gt7 not a comparison to a fake game that will never exist
people saw the LFA and thought the game was automatically good now
Hey, at least we don’t get to see the “WhErE iS ThE LfA” type of comments again in the future 😜😜😜
@@PURRARIIIIIIIII im seeing em now people moved on from LFA no theyre begging for the 911 Dakar
They just need to add a "randomizer" at this point...
Just choose say a championship of 5 tracks, with your own parameters, difficulties and the game AI will put your grid and payout there.
People want to play this game, and I don't see why not a single game has this, my idea comes from the GT2+ mod, where it's there. It's pretty simple yet great.
I honestly regret buying the game. I was expecting a less grindy game which I could enjoy after a regular work day. Not some sweaty version of collecting cars(as beautifully modelled as they are). Shame that PD doesn't care.
My honest advice as a true GT fan since 1998: Go play the older games! The GT franchise has turned itself into a Titanic, it hit the ice berg, sunk and now lays on the bottom of the ocean floor. Shame that Kaz isn't the captain that stayed on the ship.
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when do I unlock the weekly challenges.
im still on PS4 and I haven't finished all the menus yet.
The payouts are still rather terrible, given how expensive the cars in the game are, and the tuning as well. It's even worse when the amount of "decent paying races" is very low, which makes grinding very repetitive.
In past games, money wasn't that much of a problem, because we had a ton of events (plus some high paying seasonal events in GT5), and the cars were a lot less expensive. Back in GT6, we had like four or five 20 million Cr. cars, now we have a lot more, plus all the other cars that cost millions each, and even lower tier cars like the R34 Skyline which now goes for 500k Cr. Add to that the cost of engine swaps for some cars.
are you playing with a wheel? and what are you assist settings being TC; ABS etc? just wondering as your driving looks very nice and clean.
i agree, but its really gotten me to play it nearly daily again. after playing a few hours of the new forza motorsport i started appreciating this game a LOT more...
i will also say that the "bronze" in the community time trials only being 250K is such a slap to the face
This content was like its first real update It doesn’t fix gt7 but it definitely helps
Hay dude, I recently discovered your channel and have been watching some of your previous videos, just wanted to say that I really like your essay style videos and agree with everything you say and I think you put the thoughts of most long time gt fans in a very well thought out and constructive way, personally your opinion also has more weight as you definitely have some skill evidenced by qualifying for a top 24 super star race, in terms of spec 2.0 it only ties good gt players over for about 8-10 hours instead of the usual 3-4 for the previous monthly updates
A lot of the races are replay able, though with different experiences. Custom races, sophy races, and clubman cup races are never exactly the same. Well, the custom race is entirely up to you.
This Video just got you a new subscriber :) I literally agree with everything you are saying. My driving skills are quite ok, but nowhere near yours and I still think those chili pepper races are the by far most enjoyable thing in the game. To be honest I dont really care a lot about new cars in the game. There are close to 500 in the game. What we need is the possibiltity to race them…
Hold on. Quick stop. Lemme create a GT critique on Sport Mode and go full Rolfwaffle.