The minion and Jr games I think are worth playing just for the story. I love this plucky little goomba who, with nothing but sheer loyalty and dedication, assembled an army and gained the respect of the koopalings and his King. And the Jr story is also a joy to see Jr grow as a leader for his troops.
the minions at the end accepting that mario and luigi are virtually invencible is really fun, it really gives a perspective on how broken they are inside their own world
2:03:59 The part of this video I have to keep constantly linking to stubborn people online lately, lol. I kid you not, the whole "The Koopalings and minions attempt to murder Mario with cold blood, they are completely pure evil cold blooded sociopaths with murderous intent" arguments have been stressing me out so bad lately, when this game proves that "Destroy Mario" is too hard-core for something Bowser would ask his minions to do, which makes "Murder Mario" even more too hard-core by default. I'm glad you uploaded the Minion Quest cutscenes onto RUclips since I couldn't find them for the longest time until I found your video on all the cutscenes. Minion Quest is so underrated, IMO it's a great and fun side story in a great remake of a great game.
@@boogaloobender3462 Pretty sure Cackletta did mean murder, which was why Captain Goomba and the others could see through her disguise. The point of saying Bowser and his minions don't attempt murder is that it was Cackletta in disguise, not Bowser who gave the order. As for why minions fought Mario briefly before the end, it was because all the other minions heard was Captain Goomba saying "Goomba Squad, Move out! Time to take down Mario!" so the others didn't get a chance to question it like Captain Goomba did when Captain Goomba brought it up with the other Captains. That's why the Lakitu didn't know it was Cackletta in disguise until seeing it for himself while overseeing her.
Y'know what would've been cool. If when the bros arrived at Bowser's Castle, the Elite Trio were fought by the bros too. Cuz they're in Minion Quest, but not Superstar Saga. Personally, I would've added Guy to the Iggy fight, Paraplonk to the Morton fight, and Goomp to the Lemmy fight. I say that since Ludwig just does a super attack and the other 3 have the bombs.
Keep in Mind this Goomba is literally the strongest Goomba ever to be conceived in a Mario Game, and he’s literally a 1-1 Goomba He Breaks a Rock with no Help or Weapon, He Beats every single Koopaling just with his Spirit, He holds so much spirit that not even Fawful’s spray can effect him, he even gained Ludwig’s respect for beating him in a rematch fight It’s like Captain ShyGuy Says 1:48:21 , He always had the strength in him no just believed a Goomba could be strong enough to try and save Lord Bowser against a full on army, But he created it from scratch to the ground and up, Even to get Captain ShyGuy to believe in him who at first just saw him as a weak link 1:50:46 Then Came his true Minion Spirit for Bowser, He had everything and never gave up ever This mode is amazing and I don’t see how anyone can hate it, and don’t get me started in the battles they’re great, getting a minion crew to work with the right ranks and starts is actually very good and is very fun, and gaining more minions with great high stats and very good combat abilities really really does work and change the game greatly
Iggy, Morton, Lemmy, Ludwig, Roy, Wendy, and Larry, the Koopalings - wait! They’re all siblings of each other, and Bowser Jr., aren’t they? It doesn’t matter, okay?! Iggy, Morton, Lemmy, Ludwig, Roy, Wendy, and Larry, the Koopalings WOULD have to be the seven siblings OF Bowser Jr!
You know despite what many people say about this part of the game, it’s not actually that bad. It’s always good to see the perspective of the other side and also learned that there are more to the minions than just being…well there for conflict. They are minions and they are proud of it! They have both fear and respect for Bowser in a way that I never seen many in recent years. So…this is actually nice. Sure the game mechanic is not amusing but the writing has something going for it.
2:00:31-2:00:36 I liked the spinning vortex maneuver that Lemmy Koopa (Hip Koopa) and Iggy Koopa (Hop Koopa) use to get rid of Fawful’s evil brainwashing spray
At least he still had a strong role in Bowser's army in Jr's journey. Training his son and his troops. I hope they at least reference him in brothership.
Bloopers and outtakes: Capt. Goomba: Private Goomp? Private Goomp: **inhales** I'M A SHOOTING STAR LEAPING THROUGH THE SKY LIKE A TIGER DEFYING THE LAWS OF GRAVITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY- Fawful: Screw this, Fawful's going home.
Something I wanna point out. They go to Gwarhar Lagoon before Teehee Valley. The minions encounter Hermie and he has the Beanstar piece already. But then they go to Teehee Valley and see Popple. After beating Popple, the cutscene of Cackletta possessing Bowser plays, meaning Mario and Luigi just left Oho Oasis, meaning the first Beanstar piece is on the S.S. Chuckola. But then HOW DOES HERMIE ALREADY HAVE THE BEANSTAR PIECE. WAS NINTENDO THAT LAZY THAT THEY COULDN'T THINK TO REMOVE THE BEANSTAR PIECE FROM HERMIE'S SPRITE WHEN THE MINIONS ENCOUNTERED HIM?! I went on this same rant using my Minion Quest playthrough. It bugs me SO MUCH.
There are lots of little sprite errors like that. For example, the Elite Trio have their Honor Guard Uniforms despite this being set long before their promotion around the time of Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.
@seandwalsh3 You need money to make the sprites? I never knew that. But couldn't they just take the Hermie sprite they had and just delete the Beanstar piece?
The reason that why so many peapole didn't buy the game is because in that year a lot of us we were buying the nintendo switch and the 3ds was almost at his end
while I think a lot of the cutscenes are fun and genuinely enjoy the Popple ones, I have mixed feelings on some of the new lore but mostly how it downplays Cackletta and retcons her into becoming a complete imbecile, to the point I just don't consider them canon. And this is coming from someone who's favorite villain ever is Fawful, so I'm not biased: 1) Having Cackletta's entire army consist of Fawful robots is dumb (even if they look cool). It undermines her presence, Fawful doesn't have his trademark ego at this point (in the OG SS he only made one machine with his likeness and that was at the end when he intended to betray her) and it makes no sense that they wouldn't have used these robots at any point in the main story like in the Hooniversity. 2) Having the endgame of tricking Bowser's army be Fawful's plan that Cackletta doesn't get until he explains it to her like she's a kid doesn't just make her look dumb, it doesn't make sense because that was HER plan in the original that Fawful didn't even understand at first. Hell she literally pulled this "disguise as someone else to get people to work for you scheme" earlier in the story, this is familiar ground for her. But here they retconned it so that her plan was to... steal an empty castle? Also later Fawful disobeys a direct order from her at their supposed finest hour, a pretty clear sign of betrayal, and she just takes it like a loser. 3) Only half related but worth mentioning, the whole idea of "'destroying' Mario" being too much for Bowser is wack. Hell, it isn't even too far for Popple. That said I do enjoy how they played up Fawful's intended betrayal, I feel like that's one of the ideas they could've done more with. Since in the OG he has this whole speech about just realizing that he was responsible for saving her, expressing frustration doing all this work just for others and fear over the "true meaning" of this fight. But then he just gets beat and punted away before he could do anything. It's one of the more interesting parts of SS's story, even moreso retroactively, and I wish they did more with it. I also enjoy the Mechawful prototypes and think they could've been cool if reserved until the end with him building them in secret to overthrow her, where it makes sense for him to have the resources and ego. But they didn't have to do Cackletta dirty like this. tl;dr I think minion's quest made Cackletta look like an imbecile and retconned some of her schemes to prop Fawful up, though I do like the idea of focusing more on his planned betrayal
Fawful was always characterised as the true brains of the operation in the original Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, hence his betrayal in the ending. Cackletta wouldn’t have gotten nearly as far along in her plan without his loyalty and his technology. Even his bio in the original game’s manual highlight his genius. The Vacuum Helm is used to nab Princess Peach’s voice, knock the Koopa Cruiser out of the sky, contain Cackletta’s soul. He blocked the Hoohoo Mountain path. He built the Peach-bots. He was also probably the one to build the Laser Snifit Ray and Cackletta’s flying chair. The only things Cackletta really did in the original were devising the plan to steal the Beanstar and transforming the Beanbean Kingdom’s royalty, along with the idea to steal an empty Bowser’s Castle. The remake retcons nothing, it just shows the true extent of her reliance on Fawful and explains some mysteries from the original. As for your other points: 1) Her entire army does not consist of Fawful Robots, there are just a handful of Fawful robots later on in the game’s story being mass-produced in Bowser’s Castle. This is why they aren’t used in Woohoo Hooniversity. The rest of her army can be seen in Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser and several parts of the main story, fighting against Mario. It’s also pretty clear to me that Fawful had an ego in the original game, but he was blinded by his loyalty and adoration of Cackletta, which is why he didn’t act out of line until the end. 2) It makes perfect sense. Bowser’s army wasn’t taken into consideration by Cackletta when she devised her plan. She clearly isn’t all that familiar with the Koopa Kingdom or their undying loyalty to Bowser. Perhaps she just thinks they’ll follow whoever the big bad is. It was never her plan in the original, as in the original we never had an explanation for why Bowser’s Minions were fighting on Cackletta’s side. There was no plan. It makes sense that she wouldn’t immediately consider disguising as Bowser to trick the minions as she did earlier with Lady Lima and the Mario Bros. The reason for stealing the empty castle is quite clearly to use its cannons to force the Beanbean Kingdom into subordination. Him disobeying her orders is happening immediately after his realisation from the battle with Mario and Luigi. I also wouldn’t say she’s taking it like a loser - she’s putting trust in her faithful minion, which she has done for the entirety of the rest of the game. 3) No this is in-character. Bowser doesn’t want to kill Mario unless he’s feeling particularly power-crazy or really pissed off. He would much rather defeat his nemesis and rub in the fact that he won, and he certainly wouldn’t casually command some random Goomba to destroy Mario for him. In any case, the scenes are canon and don’t seem to change anything about the original story, they just enhance it.
@@seandwalsh3 Dang I kinda just expected this comment to exist and maybe have like 3 people see it, didn't expect a reply. Alright so lemme preface this by saying, I don't HATE Minion's Quest, infact I feel kinda bad bashing on it this much since it's ML contetn and has heart, but these are my opinions. I did try to play it so I could watch it's cutscenes but the gameplay was so boring, believe me I tried. But I do think a lot of interactions are funny and adding another layer to the story with Bowser's minions looking for him is admittedly pretty clever given his situations in the original game. What I don't like is some of the stuff they did near the end. But first off, let me say that I do like Fawful, moreso than Cackletta. I completely understand that he did a lot of the work for her and it makes perfect sense for him to realize that at the end after their second big failure and plan to betray her and then later develop into a bigger threat than she ever was. But I don't like that they downplayed her at the end of her own game while doing so. I already take a slight (like very very minor) issue with the OG's game final area being in Bowser's Castle with a Koopaling boss rush, since it makes her feel like Bowser 2.0, although I still like it. But downplaying her further doesn't help when I feel like if this was her plan like it was in the original, the added depth of like actually having to fool them herself (like think the Koopaling scene from the OG but she disguises as Bowser first) while Fawful actually builds a robot army under her nose would be a cool development of that, but that's not exactly what happens. 1) Oh I love the Mechawful prototypes and the secret factory underneath Bowser's Castle as an endgame thing, I think it's a perfect way to play up Fawful's intended betrayal and having them be shoddy prototypes makes it cooler as it's like connective tissue to BIS. It's so good I wish it was in the original game. What I don't like as much though, is them appearing in the first attack on Castle Town. It doesn't make a lot of sense: Cackletta would know of them, Fawful is still deathly loyal to Cackletta (which is what I meant by lacking his ego, he absolutely was not making machines in his likeness at this point in the OG game), they don't have a factory to make these things in and they don't show up anywhere in the Hooniversity (which as far as they knew, was endgame for their plans). And it kinda takes away from their significance later in the game as she already knows of them and it seems to give a lot of people the impression Fawful always meant to betray her since the beginning when that makes no sense and makes him less interesting. 2) I don't really agree with this at all, I'm not trying to be rude, but they absolutely retconned it a bit. That's why they removed the scene of an undisguised Bowletta ordering the Koopalings and them listening to her without hesitation. She absolutely is pretending to be Bowser there and they're listening to her undisguised, which would make no sense if it was included alongside the remakes new lore. And she doesn't need to understand Bowser's army on a deeper level to understand that if she disguises as their leader, they'll listen to her and as she's possessing Bowser, that seems like it was enough of a disguise for the older less developed minions. I would also imagine the ones that noticed were too afraid to ask. Also it's exactly like her tricking the Bros. at Beanbean Castle: "disguise yourself as someone they'd listen to and use their talents/resources for your own ends". So it feels like a spit in the face to not only give Fawful her plan when originally he was just going along with her plan that he didn't originally get (Fawful: "We chase them now!" Cackletta: "...No! Instead we go to the Mushroom Kingdom!" Fawful: "M-Mushroom Kingdom?!?"), but to also remove an OG scene that clearly shows that's her plan AND to make her so stupid to not even understand it until it's explained for an implied second time to her. Fawful is cool, but he doesn't need credit for every single one of Cackletta's plans and accomplishments. Also a bit more nitpicky but some of the dialogue for both Cackletta and Fawful is weird, since they never engaged in the "Mario and other guy" bit once in the OG game but here do it pretty often. It just feels off. 3) Maybe or maybe not kill. But Bowser absolutely wants to and constantly says to 'destroy' Mario, so it feels like they're downplaying Bowser as a villain since you're playing on his side (man is still evil and proud of it) and it feels dumb that THATs what catches the Goomba MC off guard. And I mean, it's retroactive canon so I feel it's up to interpretation. If people want to view this as canon, I take no issue, but it bothers me a bit too much even if I like some of the ideas. I WANT to like MQ's lore completely, but these details just keep me from doing so.
this might be dead but i am gonna throw my hat in the ring and say something too. There is something rulers of nations do is employing a fake leader. Essentially on paper their are in charge and make the decisions of the land and are the face while you are something like the advisor. However the ruler is practically dependent on you since they have no idea what they are doing, so in practicallity you rule, but with no consequences since when you goof up its the rulers head not the advisors. I can kinda see the same relationship with fawful and cackletta. Fawful being the true, master of everything but since he was only an "underling" and not the main bad guy he avoided his demise and lived to tell the tale. But since he didn't have a scape goat in Mario and luige 3 he had to be ruler himself.
The 7 Almighty Notorious Koopalings all in one place. 28:04 Larry Koopa (Cheatsy Koopa) Roy Koopa (Bully Koopa) Lemmy Koopa (Hip Koopa) Wendy O. Koopa (Kootie Pie Koopa) Iggy Koopa (Hop Koopa) Morton Koopa Jr. (Bigmouth Koopa Jr.) Ludwig von Koopa (Kooky von Koopa)
@@MightyMaster1964 Then I will surprise you if I tell you that the birth order of Koopalings is different in each game, each of them acting independently. They even cast Roy and even Larry as the oldest instead of Ludwig. Can you imagine? 🤔
Honestly, I don't even consider this game nor Bowser Jr's Journey canon. Especially since there are quite a few scenes in both games that don't make sense.
@@seandwalsh3 The appearances of characters like Starlow and the elite trio who aren't even in the GBA version of the game and Mario and Luigi coming across Bowser Jr. which never happened in the original Bowser's Inside Story.
@@htimbers7407 they never appeared in the original game, that doesn’t mean they can’t exist elsewhere? That’s ridiculous. Yes Mario & Luigi never come across Bowser Jr. in the original, but that’s obviously just something that happens off-screen. It sounds like you’re just making excuses.
The minion and Jr games I think are worth playing just for the story. I love this plucky little goomba who, with nothing but sheer loyalty and dedication, assembled an army and gained the respect of the koopalings and his King. And the Jr story is also a joy to see Jr grow as a leader for his troops.
Yeah but it's just sooooo boring
@@ProGamez262Archiveddisagreed batting and getting the team group is very fun
Last year I watched this entire "movie" non-stop. I got _really_ into it. I miss the Mario & Luigi series.
We got a new Mario and Luigi game coming out broship
the minions at the end accepting that mario and luigi are virtually invencible is really fun, it really gives a perspective on how broken they are inside their own world
man, i love the minions in this. nice to see them shine!
Me Too
2:03:59 The part of this video I have to keep constantly linking to stubborn people online lately, lol. I kid you not, the whole "The Koopalings and minions attempt to murder Mario with cold blood, they are completely pure evil cold blooded sociopaths with murderous intent" arguments have been stressing me out so bad lately, when this game proves that "Destroy Mario" is too hard-core for something Bowser would ask his minions to do, which makes "Murder Mario" even more too hard-core by default.
I'm glad you uploaded the Minion Quest cutscenes onto RUclips since I couldn't find them for the longest time until I found your video on all the cutscenes. Minion Quest is so underrated, IMO it's a great and fun side story in a great remake of a great game.
I thought by "destroy" cackletta meant "murder"
@@boogaloobender3462 Pretty sure Cackletta did mean murder, which was why Captain Goomba and the others could see through her disguise. The point of saying Bowser and his minions don't attempt murder is that it was Cackletta in disguise, not Bowser who gave the order. As for why minions fought Mario briefly before the end, it was because all the other minions heard was Captain Goomba saying "Goomba Squad, Move out! Time to take down Mario!" so the others didn't get a chance to question it like Captain Goomba did when Captain Goomba brought it up with the other Captains. That's why the Lakitu didn't know it was Cackletta in disguise until seeing it for himself while overseeing her.
Y'know what would've been cool. If when the bros arrived at Bowser's Castle, the Elite Trio were fought by the bros too. Cuz they're in Minion Quest, but not Superstar Saga. Personally, I would've added Guy to the Iggy fight, Paraplonk to the Morton fight, and Goomp to the Lemmy fight. I say that since Ludwig just does a super attack and the other 3 have the bombs.
Keep in Mind this Goomba is literally the strongest Goomba ever to be conceived in a Mario Game, and he’s literally a 1-1 Goomba
He Breaks a Rock with no Help or Weapon, He Beats every single Koopaling just with his Spirit, He holds so much spirit that not even Fawful’s spray can effect him, he even gained Ludwig’s respect for beating him in a rematch fight
It’s like Captain ShyGuy Says 1:48:21 , He always had the strength in him no just believed a Goomba could be strong enough to try and save Lord Bowser against a full on army, But he created it from scratch to the ground and up, Even to get Captain ShyGuy to believe in him who at first just saw him as a weak link
1:50:46 Then Came his true Minion Spirit for Bowser, He had everything and never gave up ever
This mode is amazing and I don’t see how anyone can hate it, and don’t get me started in the battles they’re great, getting a minion crew to work with the right ranks and starts is actually very good and is very fun, and gaining more minions with great high stats and very good combat abilities really really does work and change the game greatly
1:37:15 best line in the entire game
Literally my favourite line
Oh no is Captain Koopa gonna lose subscriber
Thats how Fawful became my fav in a sudden
My respect for Fawful just grew tenfold
Iggy, Morton, Lemmy, Ludwig, Roy, Wendy, and Larry, the Koopalings - wait! They’re all siblings of each other, and Bowser Jr., aren’t they? It doesn’t matter, okay?!
Iggy, Morton, Lemmy, Ludwig, Roy, Wendy, and Larry, the Koopalings WOULD have to be the seven siblings OF Bowser Jr!
Fawful is truly great to have a role in this story!
1:38:57 they had no chill when writing this
You know despite what many people say about this part of the game, it’s not actually that bad. It’s always good to see the perspective of the other side and also learned that there are more to the minions than just being…well there for conflict. They are minions and they are proud of it! They have both fear and respect for Bowser in a way that I never seen many in recent years. So…this is actually nice. Sure the game mechanic is not amusing but the writing has something going for it.
People find the mechanic not amusing? I really enjoy it ngl
@@gboogie3257 It is something that I hear folks say.
@@SonicGurl82 well I’ve heard it definitely but it’s definitely like “it’s not that bad”
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2:00:31-2:00:36 I liked the spinning vortex maneuver that Lemmy Koopa (Hip Koopa) and Iggy Koopa (Hop Koopa) use to get rid of Fawful’s evil brainwashing spray
1:02:00 I did not know Starlow was in Superstar Saga
After all that just for Bowser to blame that Goomba for making him loose his memory, by accident, all of that for nothing
At least he still had a strong role in Bowser's army in Jr's journey. Training his son and his troops. I hope they at least reference him in brothership.
I can’t believe he mistook rookie for bowser what a silly mistake
0:55 Is it me or did Roy break the 4th wall?
Bloopers and outtakes:
Capt. Goomba: Private Goomp?
Private Goomp: **inhales** I'M A SHOOTING STAR LEAPING THROUGH THE SKY LIKE A TIGER DEFYING THE LAWS OF GRAVITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY-
Fawful: Screw this, Fawful's going home.
57:56 heh, hope no alien invasion happens during the time travel.
1:51:32 Why is that so funny
I'm more in love with the ''woah there cowboy'' XD
thank you so much for making this ive been wanting this video for so so long :]
since the new Mario and Luigi game will come out this year (2024), I hope
We still will get these kind of extra adventures.
the only reason i'm here is because of the starlow cameo
The minions mode is amazing nevertheless
47:49 Shy guys have noses confirmed.
Something I wanna point out. They go to Gwarhar Lagoon before Teehee Valley. The minions encounter Hermie and he has the Beanstar piece already. But then they go to Teehee Valley and see Popple. After beating Popple, the cutscene of Cackletta possessing Bowser plays, meaning Mario and Luigi just left Oho Oasis, meaning the first Beanstar piece is on the S.S. Chuckola. But then HOW DOES HERMIE ALREADY HAVE THE BEANSTAR PIECE. WAS NINTENDO THAT LAZY THAT THEY COULDN'T THINK TO REMOVE THE BEANSTAR PIECE FROM HERMIE'S SPRITE WHEN THE MINIONS ENCOUNTERED HIM?! I went on this same rant using my Minion Quest playthrough. It bugs me SO MUCH.
There are lots of little sprite errors like that. For example, the Elite Trio have their Honor Guard Uniforms despite this being set long before their promotion around the time of Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.
@seandwalsh3 True. That's fair. Nintendo and/or Alphadream really should be more noticing about these things.
@@CreativeStoryteller35 It’s not that they didn’t notice, they just didn’t have the time or money to change it.
@seandwalsh3 You need money to make the sprites? I never knew that. But couldn't they just take the Hermie sprite they had and just delete the Beanstar piece?
@@CreativeStoryteller35 depends how the sprite was made
But I guess bad things also happen to evil minions right
Thanks couldn’t find this anywhere
Me neither. That’s why I made it, lol
@@seandwalsh3 please
Bowser's Minions All Bosses
@@minecraftjesse5976 ruclips.net/video/ROT7Qrv6UPA/видео.html
Who else just came for the Fawful moments
I came for both Fawful and the Captains. This game really had them shine
Not me lol
I did
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Well said
The reason that why so many peapole didn't buy the game is because in that year a lot of us we were buying the nintendo switch and the 3ds was almost at his end
How many times did the Bowser's minions broke the fourth wall
while I think a lot of the cutscenes are fun and genuinely enjoy the Popple ones, I have mixed feelings on some of the new lore but mostly how it downplays Cackletta and retcons her into becoming a complete imbecile, to the point I just don't consider them canon. And this is coming from someone who's favorite villain ever is Fawful, so I'm not biased:
1) Having Cackletta's entire army consist of Fawful robots is dumb (even if they look cool). It undermines her presence, Fawful doesn't have his trademark ego at this point (in the OG SS he only made one machine with his likeness and that was at the end when he intended to betray her) and it makes no sense that they wouldn't have used these robots at any point in the main story like in the Hooniversity.
2) Having the endgame of tricking Bowser's army be Fawful's plan that Cackletta doesn't get until he explains it to her like she's a kid doesn't just make her look dumb, it doesn't make sense because that was HER plan in the original that Fawful didn't even understand at first. Hell she literally pulled this "disguise as someone else to get people to work for you scheme" earlier in the story, this is familiar ground for her. But here they retconned it so that her plan was to... steal an empty castle? Also later Fawful disobeys a direct order from her at their supposed finest hour, a pretty clear sign of betrayal, and she just takes it like a loser.
3) Only half related but worth mentioning, the whole idea of "'destroying' Mario" being too much for Bowser is wack. Hell, it isn't even too far for Popple.
That said I do enjoy how they played up Fawful's intended betrayal, I feel like that's one of the ideas they could've done more with. Since in the OG he has this whole speech about just realizing that he was responsible for saving her, expressing frustration doing all this work just for others and fear over the "true meaning" of this fight. But then he just gets beat and punted away before he could do anything. It's one of the more interesting parts of SS's story, even moreso retroactively, and I wish they did more with it. I also enjoy the Mechawful prototypes and think they could've been cool if reserved until the end with him building them in secret to overthrow her, where it makes sense for him to have the resources and ego. But they didn't have to do Cackletta dirty like this.
tl;dr I think minion's quest made Cackletta look like an imbecile and retconned some of her schemes to prop Fawful up, though I do like the idea of focusing more on his planned betrayal
Fawful was always characterised as the true brains of the operation in the original Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, hence his betrayal in the ending. Cackletta wouldn’t have gotten nearly as far along in her plan without his loyalty and his technology. Even his bio in the original game’s manual highlight his genius.
The Vacuum Helm is used to nab Princess Peach’s voice, knock the Koopa Cruiser out of the sky, contain Cackletta’s soul. He blocked the Hoohoo Mountain path. He built the Peach-bots. He was also probably the one to build the Laser Snifit Ray and Cackletta’s flying chair.
The only things Cackletta really did in the original were devising the plan to steal the Beanstar and transforming the Beanbean Kingdom’s royalty, along with the idea to steal an empty Bowser’s Castle. The remake retcons nothing, it just shows the true extent of her reliance on Fawful and explains some mysteries from the original.
As for your other points:
1) Her entire army does not consist of Fawful Robots, there are just a handful of Fawful robots later on in the game’s story being mass-produced in Bowser’s Castle. This is why they aren’t used in Woohoo Hooniversity. The rest of her army can be seen in Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser and several parts of the main story, fighting against Mario. It’s also pretty clear to me that Fawful had an ego in the original game, but he was blinded by his loyalty and adoration of Cackletta, which is why he didn’t act out of line until the end.
2) It makes perfect sense. Bowser’s army wasn’t taken into consideration by Cackletta when she devised her plan. She clearly isn’t all that familiar with the Koopa Kingdom or their undying loyalty to Bowser. Perhaps she just thinks they’ll follow whoever the big bad is. It was never her plan in the original, as in the original we never had an explanation for why Bowser’s Minions were fighting on Cackletta’s side. There was no plan. It makes sense that she wouldn’t immediately consider disguising as Bowser to trick the minions as she did earlier with Lady Lima and the Mario Bros. The reason for stealing the empty castle is quite clearly to use its cannons to force the Beanbean Kingdom into subordination. Him disobeying her orders is happening immediately after his realisation from the battle with Mario and Luigi. I also wouldn’t say she’s taking it like a loser - she’s putting trust in her faithful minion, which she has done for the entirety of the rest of the game.
3) No this is in-character. Bowser doesn’t want to kill Mario unless he’s feeling particularly power-crazy or really pissed off. He would much rather defeat his nemesis and rub in the fact that he won, and he certainly wouldn’t casually command some random Goomba to destroy Mario for him.
In any case, the scenes are canon and don’t seem to change anything about the original story, they just enhance it.
@@seandwalsh3 Dang I kinda just expected this comment to exist and maybe have like 3 people see it, didn't expect a reply.
Alright so lemme preface this by saying, I don't HATE Minion's Quest, infact I feel kinda bad bashing on it this much since it's ML contetn and has heart, but these are my opinions. I did try to play it so I could watch it's cutscenes but the gameplay was so boring, believe me I tried. But I do think a lot of interactions are funny and adding another layer to the story with Bowser's minions looking for him is admittedly pretty clever given his situations in the original game. What I don't like is some of the stuff they did near the end.
But first off, let me say that I do like Fawful, moreso than Cackletta. I completely understand that he did a lot of the work for her and it makes perfect sense for him to realize that at the end after their second big failure and plan to betray her and then later develop into a bigger threat than she ever was. But I don't like that they downplayed her at the end of her own game while doing so. I already take a slight (like very very minor) issue with the OG's game final area being in Bowser's Castle with a Koopaling boss rush, since it makes her feel like Bowser 2.0, although I still like it. But downplaying her further doesn't help when I feel like if this was her plan like it was in the original, the added depth of like actually having to fool them herself (like think the Koopaling scene from the OG but she disguises as Bowser first) while Fawful actually builds a robot army under her nose would be a cool development of that, but that's not exactly what happens.
1) Oh I love the Mechawful prototypes and the secret factory underneath Bowser's Castle as an endgame thing, I think it's a perfect way to play up Fawful's intended betrayal and having them be shoddy prototypes makes it cooler as it's like connective tissue to BIS. It's so good I wish it was in the original game. What I don't like as much though, is them appearing in the first attack on Castle Town. It doesn't make a lot of sense: Cackletta would know of them, Fawful is still deathly loyal to Cackletta (which is what I meant by lacking his ego, he absolutely was not making machines in his likeness at this point in the OG game), they don't have a factory to make these things in and they don't show up anywhere in the Hooniversity (which as far as they knew, was endgame for their plans). And it kinda takes away from their significance later in the game as she already knows of them and it seems to give a lot of people the impression Fawful always meant to betray her since the beginning when that makes no sense and makes him less interesting.
2) I don't really agree with this at all, I'm not trying to be rude, but they absolutely retconned it a bit. That's why they removed the scene of an undisguised Bowletta ordering the Koopalings and them listening to her without hesitation. She absolutely is pretending to be Bowser there and they're listening to her undisguised, which would make no sense if it was included alongside the remakes new lore. And she doesn't need to understand Bowser's army on a deeper level to understand that if she disguises as their leader, they'll listen to her and as she's possessing Bowser, that seems like it was enough of a disguise for the older less developed minions. I would also imagine the ones that noticed were too afraid to ask. Also it's exactly like her tricking the Bros. at Beanbean Castle: "disguise yourself as someone they'd listen to and use their talents/resources for your own ends". So it feels like a spit in the face to not only give Fawful her plan when originally he was just going along with her plan that he didn't originally get (Fawful: "We chase them now!" Cackletta: "...No! Instead we go to the Mushroom Kingdom!" Fawful: "M-Mushroom Kingdom?!?"), but to also remove an OG scene that clearly shows that's her plan AND to make her so stupid to not even understand it until it's explained for an implied second time to her. Fawful is cool, but he doesn't need credit for every single one of Cackletta's plans and accomplishments.
Also a bit more nitpicky but some of the dialogue for both Cackletta and Fawful is weird, since they never engaged in the "Mario and other guy" bit once in the OG game but here do it pretty often. It just feels off.
3) Maybe or maybe not kill. But Bowser absolutely wants to and constantly says to 'destroy' Mario, so it feels like they're downplaying Bowser as a villain since you're playing on his side (man is still evil and proud of it) and it feels dumb that THATs what catches the Goomba MC off guard.
And I mean, it's retroactive canon so I feel it's up to interpretation. If people want to view this as canon, I take no issue, but it bothers me a bit too much even if I like some of the ideas. I WANT to like MQ's lore completely, but these details just keep me from doing so.
this might be dead but i am gonna throw my hat in the ring and say something too. There is something rulers of nations do is employing a fake leader. Essentially on paper their are in charge and make the decisions of the land and are the face while you are something like the advisor. However the ruler is practically dependent on you since they have no idea what they are doing, so in practicallity you rule, but with no consequences since when you goof up its the rulers head not the advisors. I can kinda see the same relationship with fawful and cackletta. Fawful being the true, master of everything but since he was only an "underling" and not the main bad guy he avoided his demise and lived to tell the tale. But since he didn't have a scape goat in Mario and luige 3 he had to be ruler himself.
The 7 Almighty Notorious Koopalings all in one place.
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Larry Koopa (Cheatsy Koopa)
Roy Koopa (Bully Koopa)
Lemmy Koopa (Hip Koopa)
Wendy O. Koopa (Kootie Pie Koopa)
Iggy Koopa (Hop Koopa)
Morton Koopa Jr. (Bigmouth Koopa Jr.)
Ludwig von Koopa (Kooky von Koopa)
You put it them like NSMBros Wii. Why?
@@georgebrankov2143 because that’s the order I remembered until I figured out the traditional order
@@MightyMaster1964 Then I will surprise you if I tell you that the birth order of Koopalings is different in each game, each of them acting independently. They even cast Roy and even Larry as the oldest instead of Ludwig. Can you imagine? 🤔
@@georgebrankov2143 wow
@@MightyMaster1964
Iggy Koopa
Morton Koopa
Lemmy Koopa
Ludwig von Koopa
Roy Koopa
Wendy O. Koopa
Larry Koopa
Honestly, I don't even consider this game nor Bowser Jr's Journey canon. Especially since there are quite a few scenes in both games that don't make sense.
They are clearly canon. What part of then do you think doesn’t make sense, because I can assure you they make perfect sense?
@@seandwalsh3 The appearances of characters like Starlow and the elite trio who aren't even in the GBA version of the game and Mario and Luigi coming across Bowser Jr. which never happened in the original Bowser's Inside Story.
@@htimbers7407 they never appeared in the original game, that doesn’t mean they can’t exist elsewhere? That’s ridiculous.
Yes Mario & Luigi never come across Bowser Jr. in the original, but that’s obviously just something that happens off-screen.
It sounds like you’re just making excuses.
@@seandwalsh3 How am I making excuses when it's the truth. You're just not understanding what I'm saying.
@@htimbers7407 Captain Goomba literally appears in the main story of Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. You’re wrong.
1:03:39 wtf?! did bowser’s minions just predict poppy playtime?!
1:44:37 Roger? Does it mean that the Koopalings "names" are nicknames?
wich would be they real names them? 🤔
“Roger” is what people say to indicate that they’ve understood a message in the Army. It represents “R” for “Received”.
@@seandwalsh3 My head was spinning with theories, thanks! I had no idea about this term, how funny 🤭
Man i really couldnt continue to play this game because it was just so boring but the lore was really great
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@SuperSonicPlushes5413 Lol
any tips to beat Fawful?
I just don't get it all of those balls or cuts
40:40 Sonic Rivals be like
The only good part of this mode is the story
Mmmmmmmmm, Nah
I mean browser
I know you on discord
WW4 be like