UPDATE! For those of you interested, I've just tried out the paints with the new formula. Colours have been adjusted to be more different from one another like I asked for, and the reactivation has been GREATLY reduced, being almost non-existent with most colours. More updates, videos, and tests to follow!
Fantastic news! Thanks Dana for helping Army Painter make a better product. Myself I thought the original version was pretty good, so this new and improved one could be really great. Since AP is available in many local shops, I like to buy it when I can to support the local shops.
I love the single pigment colours. But like you, the blues all look too similar. They need lighter blues, and one between the darkest and the mid tones. Otherwise, I'm looking forward to seeing what comes in the next batch. I've held off buying any Contrast equivalents, as I don't want to pay out for GW prices. I've used a decent amount of the standard AP range, so I'm really excited for this 2nd batch.
If this is correct, and there’s all these distinct colors with little to no reactivation at this great price, then army painter will have converted at least one new customer to their brand.
This is not a suggestion for a particular color, but considering that contrast/speed paint can look very different out of the bottle from its label to due to how transparent it is, I’d love to see a label that shows a gradient of the color being used from light to dark to get a better idea of what the color looks like on a miniature!
Speed paints already do this on their bottle. It shows a triad from light, medium and dark. Unfortunately, it is often not very accurate at all. Some are good indicators, and others e.g. sand golem are not even close to how it looks.
Very cool of Army Painter to offer this chance! It's such a refreshing attitude to involve the community in this way without any cloak & dagger about it. Looking forward to seeing where the speedpaints go from here.
Army Painter has really impressed me so far with their communication, they are a much smaller company than I realized, and really do want to hear what the community has to say to improve the products. They've given me license to share pretty much all the info they have given me, and I'm excited to share more with all of you as I keep on testing!!!
It…wouldn’t be fun. Haha the master pigments are barely useable. They are made to develop colours and those colours go through a great deal of transformation before they become Speedpaint. But, if we can crack the code one day, maaaaybe?
@@TheArmyPainter Not arguing just honestly curious. How is this different than using artists gauche? Is it that you have to do processing in the factory to "tweak" the properties based upon the other pigments in the bottle? Though thinking about it, would the medium work with acrylic gouache? And if it does, would you guys consider selling the medium in the 100ml bottles you use for airbrush cleaner?
@@wookiee.gunner I didn’t think you were arguing. ;) I don’t believe the medium will work as you’d suspect with gouache. But we are all for experimenting.
@@TheArmyPainter Related idea, and not sure if the development of these products is too far along to make it possible, but I think include the pigment ratios on the bottles would be a really interesting idea. From a technical standpoint, it would allow for more accurate idea of what certain colours will look like on a model, or how they might blend together, Like going from a purple with 30% Red and 70% blue, to 100% blue, or going from Red to Cyan (for whatever reason) without ending up grey or brown.
Maybe sell a set as an "expert product" for experienced painters? Something deliberately for a small selection of hobbyists looking for great control over their paints.
One paint that I'm always using would be an ivory/off white. I use it a lot as a mixing color and by itself on minis and it would be lovely to have a speed paint version!
Golden's high-flow range has a Titan Buff (basically unbleached titanium) that you could mix with a bit of flow improver to get close, if AP don't go down that route.
i really like the greens, i see a lot of utility there. really enjoy the fact that AP is making an effort to make some colors that fit military miniatures and other more realistic minis.
Kind of Speedpaint related: I want them to release more brush-on primers. I love their gray, but with the popularity of slapchop and everything, I'd love to see more. A light gray, a midtone brown, a black, a pastel lime (for greenskins) and a fleshtone would be great, serving as good undercolors to drybrush up for slapchop and then put these transparent colors over.
A Wine-Red would be nice. Also I feel like a warm off white, that is more khaki than bone would be great and is also lacking in the contrast range (think rakarth flesh, for the really sick skin tones)
I’m gonna go for the obvious: the speedpaints medium bottle is way, way too small for how much I find myself using it to thin down some of the speedpaints (I’m looking at you, hive dweller purple). That being said, it looks like they filled some gaps with these new prototypes, although, I’d really like to see a fern green as an addition to the range. It’s a pretty flexible color that I think would have a lot of uses.
I have made a habit of buying a bottle of medium every time I buy paints in general, and then transfer it to a bigger bottle (I think the one I use is an old bottle for Vallejo Thinner). Then on the rare occasions when I buy paints from GW or P3, I can transfer the paints into the old medium bottles. Quality bottles, and less waste :)
I feel like having slightly darker speedpaints like hive dweller is great because you can dial in the intensity with the medium. I completely agree that more medium would be good as using it to dial them in is great and often necessary.
It's kind of like how professional artists can buy matte or glaze medium in large bottles. That's your workhorse chemical. You'll inevitably need a lot of it in the course of painting. So a larger bottle of speedpaint medium would be useful.
As a dirty slapchop gremlin I've never noticed the re-activation issue since I just do one pass with a colour and then move on to the next (or paint in batches as you said). but yeah I can imaging it being a bit annoying if you were painting one model and doing some of the more artsy fartsy "layer building" and "highlights" or whatever those fancy techniques are. I for one welcome our new Speed paint overlords and eagerly await this release, they're a core part of my collection and will continue to be in future so more colours sounds great to me! Also, in terms of colour suggestions I'd really like a vibrant orange yellow that darkens to a Saturated orange in the recesses, I feel like this is also missing from citadel and it would be a really welcome addition for things like squigs. (Like Zealot yellow but the highlights more towards fiery orange then yellow).
First time commenting on RUclips, inspired by my daughter. On asking her what colour to paint Seamus the Squig, her response was lavender. I'd never thought of that in my colour range, so thought I'd share it with you.
First we need an Army Painter "Howling Sands" but I'd also like to see a Drow (Dark Elf) Skin-tone. I've been mixing my own for years using 3/2/1 mixture of AP Necromancer Cloak/ GW Contrast Medium/ AP Alien Purple to make a Gray with a gentle Lilac hue.
my two cents, one good on army painter for doing this!! it shows they want to and are listening to the community. I honestly feel this is the best way for a company to improve, Get the actual people who use it to tell you how to make it better. two the youtubers they chose to test it are all that I have been watching since i got back into minis. All of them have earnt my respect and have taught me a great deal. Special shout out to Dana's hobby basics!!! it rocks and was so helpful.
For me the extra greens look good as does the grey colors. I always find that those are the colors I mix the most to get interesting coloration for camouflage, terrain, foliage, rocks, metals, and so on. For me the activation is part of the allure of speed paints so I hope it doesn't go away completely.
I really like the bright purple, when you show the five purple colors at 13:20 it is the one in the lower left. I could see that being a really handy color for Emperor’s Children.
I think Dana, covered my concerns within this video, that a number of the new paints look almost identical, especially in the Blues, I would personally prefer fewer colours if that meant they were clearly different from each other - I am excited about a few of the new colours though, the yellows, the mid grey colour and a wider variety of skin tones. All of these are pluses for me.
Been excitedly waiting for your take on these! Your earlier videos were a big reason I started using them. Agree with your take on reactivation. I actually just recognize it’s part of the package and get a lot more minis painted and love the blending results.
Dana, thank you for sharing. One way I like for comparing paints is Stahly Tale of Painter's method of using a plastic grid, it creates consistent surface to compare paints.
I like to use a hairdryer when I'm painting. Do you think using it may alleviate the reactivation problem, seeing as it will dry the current layer of paint?
I really like that they have two new colors adjacent to Runic Grey. I quite like that one but having a slightly darker and lighter version is perfect. I'd like to see a really bright purple and maybe a warmer purple than what they have on offer here. I have a lot of trouble telling some of the blues apart, but the greens have a great range that I'm happy with. I'd also like a less grey white. A kind of alabaster white for Dark Eldar would be nice as well.
The comparison/reference guide for all the speedpaints has helped me a lot, thank you. I am not 100% on the feasibility of this but I wouldn't mind seeing a metallic speedpaint or two.
I'd love to see a "how to cmyk" video on what pigments get closest to printer colors and how to use them as building blocks for mixing our own - and what challenges there are due to the reality of pigments and the speed paint medium itself.
@@MischiefAndMercuryWorkshop From Dana's website, the paints labelled Primary Magenta (quinacridone magenta), Yellow Two (cadmium medium), and Plasmatic Bolt or one of the Blue Greens (pthalo blue, green shade) are likely are your best bet. But if you want the full warm/cold version of each colour, I would also add Highlord Blue (ultramarine), Slaughter Red (alizarin crimson), and Yellow One (cadmium lemon) to that list, which should allow you to mix most colours. The pigments listed are just a similar tone and to compare them to a warm/cool palette you might have for oil paints, I have no idea what they're actually using - though Primary Magenta is definitely a quinacridone haha, it's a very obvious pigment.
Firstly thanks for a very balanced 'non-review' review. I think you covered the main points for me very well. The Greens, greys and some of the browns stand out for me as useful additions to the range (and of course true yellows). The blues disappoint a bit.
I want that big Speed Paint Medium bottle! Some of those colours look like they could be easily made by mixing two others. While others look like they are just more diluted versions of darker colours. Personally I would prefer more single pigment colours and colours with many pigments and shy away from the two pigment colours as they would be the easiest to mix up ourselves. Also I like the speedpaints that seem more concentrated. I can easily dilute Hive Dweller Purple, while Purple Alchemy needs multiple coats to be darker.
I feel much in agreement with you - the blue and red range still need greater variation, the green and flesh tone range is amazing and exciting. The bright yellow, purple and magenta are great and useful additions. The turquoise Prismatic Bolt is gorgeous and I like the 2 variations here.
I must have a good batch i didnt have any problems with the mega set, and yes avoid water. The set is missing a mid grey with runic grey filling that slot, which is not what you need most of the time. Also blood red looks very orange to me.
Love the new bright pink and any brightly colored pigments. I actually don't mind zealot yellow but I understand people looking for a true yellow color
Can't wait to see whay colors you come up with by mixing and matching. Personally I have color choice overload with all of the paint lines. Lots of nice colors, but as a newish person to mini painting I think I went too overboard buying too many colors. I like the idea of core sets , but it would be nice if they included some basic how to mix your own new colors with what you get. The "different" colors often just seem like ratios of level of pigment, but when they are costed so reasonably I should not complain. Love your informative and honest opinion videos.
I think the "triads" of Speed Paint colors have a lot of utility for wet blending. I agree with your "samey" comments on some of the colors. Hoping AP adjusts them and love that you and your colleagues are doing this...ty!
I’d like to chime in and say I really love the reactivation feature of AP Speedpaint. It really helps me get smooth blends and it makes cel shading/layering techniques really fun.
Excited to see what colors you all come up with! That magenta is fire. I would love to see some fun pinks in this range, too. Thaaaank you for the quality reviews
The one colour I see as missing is something between the 3rd turquise from the left and the 4th one. Something like a 50:50 mix of the blue that is under and between them and the 3rd turquise from the left.
I notice that the page on your site is gone, which is a shame because I really liked having that reference point for what the original speedpaints looked like on something like a flat base. Any chance of bringing it back?
I think the big difrence from contrast is. That contrast is exspensive for begainers. And it also requires a special primer/base coat. Where as Speed Paint just need any light or slightly dark primer.i have been lucky not to have reactivation. But others may have fifrent resaults
New to painting (just wanting figures to not be gray on the board) and I love these paints. I wish they had some metal colors - copper, silver, gold, etc. Will be looking for more tests and reviews as these new colors come out, as they rarely look like the color shown on the bottle. Thank you for showing them off. :)
The historical wargames community has embraced "speed paints" of this genre very well (They're great for smaller scale stuff or getting massive armies ready fast). But all of the paint brands seem to be doing their speed range in very fantastical, bright colours. I think it would be smart if someone did a "vallejo model color" version of a speed range, with reference colours for historical uniforms. Say a german feldgrau for WW2, olive greens, tans, etc. Maybe more muted, realistic blues and reds for napoleonics
I came here to say pretty much the same thing. These paints and contrast paints are so saturated and bright. I want some dull colors. I want to paint my Bloodborne board game miniatures, and I'd love to see some drab grey brownish variants matching the grim mood of the game.
Not to be that guy, but most of the original contrast paints and speedpaints have some desaturated, dull colors. Plus vibrant colors are always more versatile to use as they can be mixed with grays and complementary colors to get a more subdued result.
@@grimbostink7607 I think by your message you have probably never painted a big historical army. There's no need to be that guy, there could perfectly be different ranges for speed paints like there are for traditional paints, it's not like someone is putting a gun on your head to choose. And who goes into speed painting wanting to mix colours? That's opposite mindsets/goals
All I want is a medium purple that's between hivelord purple (which is almost black) and purple alchemy (which is a really bright magenta). A pale/desaturated pink would also be nice for fleshy bits like mouths, brains, etc.
I tend to paint realistic paint schemes. I’d like to see some military tones. I saw one of the greens fits the olive drab for standard military greens but I’d like drab green greys, some less yellow tan colours etc .
I agree with your notes. I have been happy with the AP speed paints, with my limited experience. Been mixing three colors to get close to CYMK palette.
I really like those colors, especially the light runic grey and the range of browns and greens. Very exciting development for sure! There's two things i'm missing right now. The first one is a wash range for AP Speedpaints - while I love the vibrancy, I'm not the best painter and washes help to bring all the colors back together. Yes, I can varnish the minis then apply citadel washes, or mix my own with the SP medium (though I' always mix too little or too much, so not the best solution for me either), but it would be super helpful if we just had something ready-made. What I'd love to see even more, though, is a simple clean-up white paint made to cover mistakes without having to worry about reactivation. Or even a full range made to work with speed paints without the reactivation issue. At that point I'd truly buy AP excusively.
I recently bought the speedpaints and have been enjoying using them in the slap chop method to quickly slay some grey. Very excited for some new colors for sure! I would love to see more muted tones, I tend to not paint with the bright colors on D&D monsters and models, so some good blue-greys , green-greys and brown-grey would be amazing!
I bought the current speed paint set after all your videos and have been absolutely in love with them. Favorite tool in my toolkit now. My wallet is ready for there to be even more on the market lol
I've been using speed paints a lot. I generally agree with Dana's thoughts and notes. I'd add the following: 1. Sell a large version of the speed paint medium (at least the size that Dana received in this box) 2. Develop as many single pigment colours as possible. This way, we can mix our own new colours easily. 3. I love the look of the new greens, earth tones/skin tones/browns. I use these all the time. Even if these are not single pigment, I'd want them. 4. I would love to see all the new colours painted over silver metal base. I use speed paints a lot as a glaze over metal (usually in a 1:1 colour:medium mix) I am also curious when army painter is planning to release the new colour options. Will they all be released at once, or in batches?
In terms of color suggestions. A darker ochre A BRIGHT yellow green A blue/green jade-ish A burnt orange A lighter grey (one using blue as a pigment, and one using green as a pigment) I think think this would really help fill out their range
Absolutely love that army painter is doing this. I also am really excited for the new range of greens and browns here. Something I would like to see is a whiter white (really just one that the pigment flows better with so that it gets into the detail but leaves the surface the nice white, something with the consistency and flow of pallid bone, but very light grey) and a blacker black.
I agree some of the new colors look like reformulations of the originals. And some of the new colors are too similar. My guess is that they are looking to you to help them select which is the best amongst the choices. Myself, I think we can probably just have a medium shade of colors and then mix a lighter or darker shade by adding medium or the dark black tone or other darker tone. I know some people don't mix, but I find a little mixing here and there provides variety. And with dropper bottles it is possible to write down and re-create a mix (two drops + one drop) pretty easily.
New to the channel, but been slamming through you videos. They're really helpful! I'm also a big fan of Speedpaints, and am delighted their releasing so many new colours (hopefully soon). More Greens and Browns are very welcome, as half my palettes end up based around these. Glad they're addressing the "sameness" problems a bit. I'd love if they could sort especially out the blues. The two are virtually identical, and I'd love a more muted and/or light/darker blue tones
The big “3-4 Hours for reds” hit me in my soul and I thank you for adding that. The red SP has been my bane on recent projects. Going forward I will let it sit for a while.
Okay, let my start by saying Good Video, Dana! As a longtime painter whom although hasn't yet tried Speed Paints at all but as someone who uses inks, pure pigments, flow aid and resin to make my own contrasting paints, I would say that the most vibrant ones shown are the pure pigments. The problem with pure pigmentation is that they have a tendency to perform more like straight inks than like a base/shade when used alone. If I was creating a transparent base/shade/highlight hue, I would start with an almost pure mix of the lighter pigment, let's say Green. Because alone it provides almost no shading for the recesses, you would then pick a darker complimentary color in a minute amount to provide the shading property that will go into the recesses. In this case we will say a desaturated mixture of grey/blue at 25/75. The reason to slightly desaturate this mixture before adding to the pure pigment green is so the green will still show through as an ink in the highlights and will result in less staining on the flat areas. The only problem in using pure pigments in this way is that it will not work for every color as you need to go from light hue to dark, so doing it backwards (i.e. Pure Pigment Blue and desaturated Green) will not work as the shaded recesses cannot be lighter than the pigments base hue. Army Painter tackling their lighter hues in this manner with pure pigments and desaturated shade hues will allow them to make some very spectacular lighter hues and therefor improve the viability of the Speed Paint range overall while still creating the multiple pigment in-between colors that will give them an overall larger and more varied range. The added bonus of using the brighter primary colors in a purer pigment base will mean that a painter can also custom mix some of these bright primaries with confidence, knowing that the mix will be the correct hue due to less desaturation of the specific hues being mixed. One of my greatest banes is trying to mix up hue shades and ending up somewhere near the grey spectrum due to multiple pigment formulas! I look forward to seeing what you come up with for this project! Good luck and keep up the great content! -Stephen @thetabletopsupershow
The main thing I want is that big bottle of Speedpaint Medium that they gave you, Dana! Otherwise, my only real ask is that rather than concentrating on expanding the range so much (especially with so many colors being so similar to each other), is that you tell The Army Painter to work on making sure that all of their paints are very, very consistent. Getting used to the feel of one unified range will make painting much easier than trying to remember that "these two paints are a bit splotchy.. these 3 feel very thick... these 4 are grainy" etc. If they aren't able to get certain colors to behave exactly like the rest of the range, I would rather they don't release them.
Would love really vibrant versions of all the primary and secondary colors. Something similar to that incredible new magenta. Those would be great for magic/plasma effects.
I would love to see a rich darker red. I was recently looking at a nice gothic art piece with black, a rich aqua green, and blood red, and I couldn't currently replicate that color scheme for a spooky mini because all of these reds look too bright to evoke the 'fresh blood' feel. I am also a fan off purple, but I've bought basically every speed paint, alchemy paint and contrast paint that goes on purple trying to find a fitting royal purple shade, like the petals of the deadly nightshade flower, for a haunted garden themed ghost I was working on. I've found speedpaints make for awesome army painting and basing resources, specifically because reactivation means I can clean up mistakes quickly and get back to the focal points faster, so having good flower and groundcover colors is really important to me. Finally, I'd like to see some other white shades. A sepia shadowed white, a tannish white, etc.
I like the new blue top right, kind of royal blue! I like the lighter version of Runic Grey, and the "cooler white" as well. Hardened Leather is awesome!
I'd love to see which colours look good wet/reactivation blended and which just give you a muddy brown or black in the overlap. Not knowing how colours will react to each other is one of the main things that puts me off trying it
A color I had to blend a batch of was a halfway point between flesh tearers red and gore grunta fur. It is quite useful for leathers or furs. Not sure of the speed paint equivalent.
Dunno if it was just my batch or what, but reactivation was so bad that last summer I had paint reactivate a few days after application. The paint I was using atop it was very wet, yes, but if I can't guarantee that I can paint atop it after several days, it's not a product that will work for me. As such, not enthused about the upcoming batch, though the colors are nice enough. Sold my set off and went back to the Goobertown method of mixing your own. Here's to hoping that Vallejo's Xpress Color range will be the winner many of us have been waiting for. GSW's Dipping Inks are nice, but the range is very small. If they expand that, it might also end up being a one-range solution, as well as the value king. We'll see. My end takeaway is that I'm excited to see more competition in this space.
Worth noting that the dipping inks already have 12 new colors. Still only 36, so still a small range, but they hit some good spots with the new colors.
Really like that they are reaching out like this. Personally I would love whites and dark grey/black with v v subtle undertones. Whites with the slightest apple green/pink/ magenta/blue, and blacks with purple/red/brown/blue. Pretty sure it can be done with white paints, not sure about black/dark grey.
fantastic video, dana, this is addressing all of the questions I had about speedpaints and getting me excited for the new colors! I'll definitely be waiting for the new yellows before I order my bad moonz paints
Looking at the new colors we will get most of the colors I was missing, like a true yellow, turquoise, violet and purple. I only miss a better (not so grey) white closer to Citadel's. And a bigger size medium bottle with better cost/value, that would also be nice. Thanks for the overview! I really love this paints.
I agree with you about the fact that some colors are too close to each other. What I think would be really usefull : add some paints to make like "fluorescent" effect, like plasmatic bolt but for green, blue and other colours. Also add specific paints to work like NMM for the gold, bronze, silver.
I would have 2-3 recomendations for new mixes. For warm light skin tones (on animals/beastman) i really like mix of yellow ochre light and quinacridone rose (PBr24+ PV19) and raw sienna and primary magenta (PY 42+ PV19) as a darker variant. And a colour i have trouble making work but really like the hue is Cerulean blue (PB35) so make this a consistent one layer usable colour please :D
I hope that ArmyPainter will soon have global shipments, it is very difficult to get the paints in Mexico, not all Army Painter products are offered on Amazon, you have to look for resellers all the time, and sometimes it is more profitable to buy the contrast paints on the official website , instead of looking for speed paints. The SpeedPaints are incredible, I hope they find a partner in Mexico for their sale, or they can ship worldwide soon. I love the video thanks for sharing!!! I bought my first mega box of speed paints for your videos!!
Following up your speedpaints with an oil wash also helps take care of reactivation. They aren't water based, and even after you wipe off the excess, you'll have a thin, protective layer of oil that helps you avoid reactivation.
I would love a "Metalizing" or "Pearlizing" SpeedPaint Medium - where you just mix in a little with the color of your choice to get the metallic or pearlescent effect on that color. This would also allow you to control the intensity of the effect.
I like how long it takes to dry. I use the reactivation to blend colors and create battle effects on models. My camo drones for kill team were all done with utilizing reactivation. It was my first time painting minis. I like all these paints types but I just make my own now. Its super cheap and I have more colors in 2 weeks than I do buying them pre-mixed from a company. So now we all chip in and I blend contrast type paints for games.
The photos of the pigments make me concerned about potential issues with a gritty or spottiness; some of that might be the bases themselves, but there's definitely colors like the primary orange where it looks speckled on the pipes, and that gives me pause. Little surprised there wasn't a warm white, kind of like Pallid Bone but a lot more, well, pallid. You know- something closer to Pale Sand. Having tried using P3's Armor Wash as a way to add a little more contrast to my slap chop methods, I could see Grey White serving a similar purpose: prime white, then hit with the Grey White all over as a way to nudge the crevices into deeper colors when the next layer of Speedpaint goes over them.
A few of the greens look very similar to each other, they could do with a nice emerald green. The browns have the same issue of several colours looking like duplicates. Three of the blues look almost identical, a light blue might be needed. The yellows look good to me. The oranges look very dark, and one of them is almost red, while the magentas look okay, one of them could do with a bit more blue added to it, so they're not all in the same colour range. The purples all look grainy, or dusty, to me. I like the greys, but the duplicate black could do with more pigment, as you suggested. I feel the lighter colours (white, light turquoise, lighter skin colours) that don't cover much, should be in their own range called 'tints' or something. It's really disappointing when you use these colours, and expect them to have some coverage. They should also include two bottles of the speed-paint medium because if you're not meant to use water, that's all you'll have. Looking forward to seeing what colours you come up with, I hope emerald green, and a nice deep burgundy are the first ones :)
One thing I wonder with the monopigments that are similar in look is if they mix differently with various other pigments, in terms of how the mix ends up looking. That is, how their reflective/absorptive spectra overlap in different combinations. Probably easier to predict if you have a spectrometer, or at least know what the underlying pigment chemicals are. Do they list what pigments each pigment bottle contains?
Thanks for the preview, looks promising. I like the variety of greens and browns, and agree where you've seen same-y-ness in some of the colours. Maybe more greys and flavours of off-whites like linen, parchment, ivory (as mentioned in another comment).
I agree that they need a blacker black in there. Otherwise, I really think that a strong, warm grey would be nice. I know that Prismacolor has a colored pencil called "French Grey", and I think that it's sandy, almost yellowish grey, would be a nice addition to this range, especially if it can have that muted, muddle tone that some of the pigments give off. Contrast went big and heavy on the bright colors, and I think AP Speed Paints could go ahead and grab from that idea as well, and give us NEON ORANGE to fill in that gap in the oranges. It'll be be bright, almost fluorescent, and really grab eyes.
I would with this information love to see what the new line would provide with blends and also if they apply better over also base paints because some times that helps the contrast pop more or look like a really great paint style
Your so honest :) You don’t even bash the contrast. In fact, you say to buy it. Thanks for being a super honest person. I’ll be trying some speed paints to go with my contrasts
I really would like to see more in the Ivory/bone range. I tend to use these a lot as mixers to warm up a lot of the colder ranges that speed/contrast paints seem to steer towards.
Also, how do some of the paints look through an airbrush? Thinking specifically of some of the really dark or maybe gloopy colors - like the purple, red, and dark dark blue.
I like the new colors, I went in to your site to look while watching. And I like a lot of the newer colors. I hope that they produce a lot of them. But yeah reactivation is tough, I have used it tho to blend some things and worked out pretty well.
UPDATE!
For those of you interested, I've just tried out the paints with the new formula. Colours have been adjusted to be more different from one another like I asked for, and the reactivation has been GREATLY reduced, being almost non-existent with most colours. More updates, videos, and tests to follow!
Fantastic news! Thanks Dana for helping Army Painter make a better product. Myself I thought the original version was pretty good, so this new and improved one could be really great. Since AP is available in many local shops, I like to buy it when I can to support the local shops.
Great news! I hope they start offering new starter sets based on these new colours and the new expanded selection.
I love the single pigment colours. But like you, the blues all look too similar. They need lighter blues, and one between the darkest and the mid tones.
Otherwise, I'm looking forward to seeing what comes in the next batch. I've held off buying any Contrast equivalents, as I don't want to pay out for GW prices. I've used a decent amount of the standard AP range, so I'm really excited for this 2nd batch.
Ooh exciting! When this is all done, do you know if they will re-release the old line with the new medium or mix to avoid "reactivation"?
If this is correct, and there’s all these distinct colors with little to no reactivation at this great price, then army painter will have converted at least one new customer to their brand.
This is not a suggestion for a particular color, but considering that contrast/speed paint can look very different out of the bottle from its label to due to how transparent it is, I’d love to see a label that shows a gradient of the color being used from light to dark to get a better idea of what the color looks like on a miniature!
This is a great idea
Agree, that would be really nice
Great suggestion
Speed paints already do this on their bottle. It shows a triad from light, medium and dark. Unfortunately, it is often not very accurate at all. Some are good indicators, and others e.g. sand golem are not even close to how it looks.
I saw a RUclipsr paint the caps to get an accurate estimate of the color
Very cool of Army Painter to offer this chance! It's such a refreshing attitude to involve the community in this way without any cloak & dagger about it. Looking forward to seeing where the speedpaints go from here.
Army Painter has really impressed me so far with their communication, they are a much smaller company than I realized, and really do want to hear what the community has to say to improve the products. They've given me license to share pretty much all the info they have given me, and I'm excited to share more with all of you as I keep on testing!!!
Am I the only one who wishes they would sell that "secret alchemy set" of the pure pigments and the medium to mix your own paints at home? :D
It…wouldn’t be fun. Haha the master pigments are barely useable. They are made to develop colours and those colours go through a great deal of transformation before they become Speedpaint. But, if we can crack the code one day, maaaaybe?
@@TheArmyPainter Not arguing just honestly curious. How is this different than using artists gauche? Is it that you have to do processing in the factory to "tweak" the properties based upon the other pigments in the bottle?
Though thinking about it, would the medium work with acrylic gouache? And if it does, would you guys consider selling the medium in the 100ml bottles you use for airbrush cleaner?
@@wookiee.gunner I didn’t think you were arguing. ;) I don’t believe the medium will work as you’d suspect with gouache. But we are all for experimenting.
@@TheArmyPainter Related idea, and not sure if the development of these products is too far along to make it possible, but I think include the pigment ratios on the bottles would be a really interesting idea. From a technical standpoint, it would allow for more accurate idea of what certain colours will look like on a model, or how they might blend together, Like going from a purple with 30% Red and 70% blue, to 100% blue, or going from Red to Cyan (for whatever reason) without ending up grey or brown.
Maybe sell a set as an "expert product" for experienced painters? Something deliberately for a small selection of hobbyists looking for great control over their paints.
One paint that I'm always using would be an ivory/off white. I use it a lot as a mixing color and by itself on minis and it would be lovely to have a speed paint version!
Golden's high-flow range has a Titan Buff (basically unbleached titanium) that you could mix with a bit of flow improver to get close, if AP don't go down that route.
Do you mean like Pale Sand?
i really like the greens, i see a lot of utility there. really enjoy the fact that AP is making an effort to make some colors that fit military miniatures and other more realistic minis.
Kind of Speedpaint related: I want them to release more brush-on primers. I love their gray, but with the popularity of slapchop and everything, I'd love to see more. A light gray, a midtone brown, a black, a pastel lime (for greenskins) and a fleshtone would be great, serving as good undercolors to drybrush up for slapchop and then put these transparent colors over.
Monument Hobby primers brush on so incredibly well. I want them to release a lighter medium gray!
A Wine-Red would be nice.
Also I feel like a warm off white, that is more khaki than bone would be great and is also lacking in the contrast range (think rakarth flesh, for the really sick skin tones)
I’m gonna go for the obvious: the speedpaints medium bottle is way, way too small for how much I find myself using it to thin down some of the speedpaints (I’m looking at you, hive dweller purple).
That being said, it looks like they filled some gaps with these new prototypes, although, I’d really like to see a fern green as an addition to the range. It’s a pretty flexible color that I think would have a lot of uses.
I have made a habit of buying a bottle of medium every time I buy paints in general, and then transfer it to a bigger bottle (I think the one I use is an old bottle for Vallejo Thinner). Then on the rare occasions when I buy paints from GW or P3, I can transfer the paints into the old medium bottles. Quality bottles, and less waste :)
Ya I want a speedpaint Medium bottle like the one they gave Dana! I also like how Hive Dweller is dark and I can dilute it.
I feel like having slightly darker speedpaints like hive dweller is great because you can dial in the intensity with the medium. I completely agree that more medium would be good as using it to dial them in is great and often necessary.
It's kind of like how professional artists can buy matte or glaze medium in large bottles. That's your workhorse chemical. You'll inevitably need a lot of it in the course of painting. So a larger bottle of speedpaint medium would be useful.
Agreed, a bigger bottle of medium would be well received
As a dirty slapchop gremlin I've never noticed the re-activation issue since I just do one pass with a colour and then move on to the next (or paint in batches as you said).
but yeah I can imaging it being a bit annoying if you were painting one model and doing some of the more artsy fartsy "layer building" and "highlights" or whatever those fancy techniques are.
I for one welcome our new Speed paint overlords and eagerly await this release, they're a core part of my collection and will continue to be in future so more colours sounds great to me!
Also, in terms of colour suggestions I'd really like a vibrant orange yellow that darkens to a Saturated orange in the recesses, I feel like this is also missing from citadel and it would be a really welcome addition for things like squigs. (Like Zealot yellow but the highlights more towards fiery orange then yellow).
I feel that they should make a warmer grey
agreed! I'll get right on that
First time commenting on RUclips, inspired by my daughter. On asking her what colour to paint Seamus the Squig, her response was lavender. I'd never thought of that in my colour range, so thought I'd share it with you.
First we need an Army Painter "Howling Sands" but I'd also like to see a Drow (Dark Elf) Skin-tone. I've been mixing my own for years using 3/2/1 mixture of AP Necromancer Cloak/ GW Contrast Medium/ AP Alien Purple to make a Gray with a gentle Lilac hue.
Would really like a darker black.
my two cents, one good on army painter for doing this!! it shows they want to and are listening to the community. I honestly feel this is the best way for a company to improve, Get the actual people who use it to tell you how to make it better. two the youtubers they chose to test it are all that I have been watching since i got back into minis. All of them have earnt my respect and have taught me a great deal. Special shout out to Dana's hobby basics!!! it rocks and was so helpful.
I'd love to see a darker black, it's more of very dark grey as it stands. Also a cold/undead flesh colour for vampire miniatures would be interesting
For me the extra greens look good as does the grey colors. I always find that those are the colors I mix the most to get interesting coloration for camouflage, terrain, foliage, rocks, metals, and so on. For me the activation is part of the allure of speed paints so I hope it doesn't go away completely.
Orange, Turquoise. Also a neon color line perhaps?
I really like the bright purple, when you show the five purple colors at 13:20 it is the one in the lower left. I could see that being a really handy color for Emperor’s Children.
Agree this is a great purple
I havnt really had a problem with the reactivation can’t wait for the new colors to drop
I think Dana, covered my concerns within this video, that a number of the new paints look almost identical, especially in the Blues, I would personally prefer fewer colours if that meant they were clearly different from each other - I am excited about a few of the new colours though, the yellows, the mid grey colour and a wider variety of skin tones. All of these are pluses for me.
Can say for sure waiting over night does not always stop reactivation i've had it happen several days later
Been excitedly waiting for your take on these! Your earlier videos were a big reason I started using them. Agree with your take on reactivation. I actually just recognize it’s part of the package and get a lot more minis painted and love the blending results.
In my opinion, the new range needs a "very pale beige", lighter and softer than Pallid Bone (Core Set).
Dana, thank you for sharing. One way I like for comparing paints is Stahly Tale of Painter's method of using a plastic grid, it creates consistent surface to compare paints.
I'm quite happy with the existing megaset for my painting needs. I have learned how to address the reactivation issue from you and other RUclipsrs.
I like to use a hairdryer when I'm painting. Do you think using it may alleviate the reactivation problem, seeing as it will dry the current layer of paint?
Even if it dries it, it won’t cure it. So no
I really like that they have two new colors adjacent to Runic Grey. I quite like that one but having a slightly darker and lighter version is perfect. I'd like to see a really bright purple and maybe a warmer purple than what they have on offer here. I have a lot of trouble telling some of the blues apart, but the greens have a great range that I'm happy with. I'd also like a less grey white. A kind of alabaster white for Dark Eldar would be nice as well.
The comparison/reference guide for all the speedpaints has helped me a lot, thank you. I am not 100% on the feasibility of this but I wouldn't mind seeing a metallic speedpaint or two.
I'd love to see a "how to cmyk" video on what pigments get closest to printer colors and how to use them as building blocks for mixing our own - and what challenges there are due to the reality of pigments and the speed paint medium itself.
I would LOVE "true" CMY speed paints. Those would be 3 instant buys for me.
I am betting Dana's personal paint mix will be along the lines of CMY
@@MischiefAndMercuryWorkshop From Dana's website, the paints labelled Primary Magenta (quinacridone magenta), Yellow Two (cadmium medium), and Plasmatic Bolt or one of the Blue Greens (pthalo blue, green shade) are likely are your best bet. But if you want the full warm/cold version of each colour, I would also add Highlord Blue (ultramarine), Slaughter Red (alizarin crimson), and Yellow One (cadmium lemon) to that list, which should allow you to mix most colours.
The pigments listed are just a similar tone and to compare them to a warm/cool palette you might have for oil paints, I have no idea what they're actually using - though Primary Magenta is definitely a quinacridone haha, it's a very obvious pigment.
Working on it ;)
Firstly thanks for a very balanced 'non-review' review. I think you covered the main points for me very well. The Greens, greys and some of the browns stand out for me as useful additions to the range (and of course true yellows). The blues disappoint a bit.
Dana, all I care about is that you get your Magenta and some version of Pale Sand...
We're getting those for sure!
I want that big Speed Paint Medium bottle!
Some of those colours look like they could be easily made by mixing two others. While others look like they are just more diluted versions of darker colours.
Personally I would prefer more single pigment colours and colours with many pigments and shy away from the two pigment colours as they would be the easiest to mix up ourselves.
Also I like the speedpaints that seem more concentrated. I can easily dilute Hive Dweller Purple, while Purple Alchemy needs multiple coats to be darker.
I feel much in agreement with you - the blue and red range still need greater variation, the green and flesh tone range is amazing and exciting. The bright yellow, purple and magenta are great and useful additions. The turquoise Prismatic Bolt is gorgeous and I like the 2 variations here.
I must have a good batch i didnt have any problems with the mega set, and yes avoid water. The set is missing a mid grey with runic grey filling that slot, which is not what you need most of the time. Also blood red looks very orange to me.
Love the new bright pink and any brightly colored pigments. I actually don't mind zealot yellow but I understand people looking for a true yellow color
Can't wait to see whay colors you come up with by mixing and matching. Personally I have color choice overload with all of the paint lines. Lots of nice colors, but as a newish person to mini painting I think I went too overboard buying too many colors. I like the idea of core sets , but it would be nice if they included some basic how to mix your own new colors with what you get. The "different" colors often just seem like ratios of level of pigment, but when they are costed so reasonably I should not complain. Love your informative and honest opinion videos.
Lighter flesh tone and more grey are what I was looking for. The proposed above are spot on...I think. Thanks!
I think the "triads" of Speed Paint colors have a lot of utility for wet blending. I agree with your "samey" comments on some of the colors. Hoping AP adjusts them and love that you and your colleagues are doing this...ty!
I’d like to chime in and say I really love the reactivation feature of AP Speedpaint. It really helps me get smooth blends and it makes cel shading/layering techniques really fun.
Excited to see what colors you all come up with! That magenta is fire. I would love to see some fun pinks in this range, too. Thaaaank you for the quality reviews
The one colour I see as missing is something between the 3rd turquise from the left and the 4th one. Something like a 50:50 mix of the blue that is under and between them and the 3rd turquise from the left.
I notice that the page on your site is gone, which is a shame because I really liked having that reference point for what the original speedpaints looked like on something like a flat base. Any chance of bringing it back?
Hi Gabriel!!! Yes it will be back soon, sorry I accidentally deleted it!
I use the site as a reference when buying paints, so I really appreciate it being posted!
I found that 2 layers of speedpaints leaves nice coats. I wonder if the similar ones become more different on two coats, or mix different
I think the big difrence from contrast is. That contrast is exspensive for begainers. And it also requires a special primer/base coat. Where as Speed Paint just need any light or slightly dark primer.i have been lucky not to have reactivation. But others may have fifrent resaults
In my experience contrast doesn't require a special primer to use, I think that's a myth?
A brighter, international/hazard orange.
That Pink "magenta" is so cool. I want that, so glad they smooth out the purples.
New to painting (just wanting figures to not be gray on the board) and I love these paints. I wish they had some metal colors - copper, silver, gold, etc. Will be looking for more tests and reviews as these new colors come out, as they rarely look like the color shown on the bottle. Thank you for showing them off. :)
The historical wargames community has embraced "speed paints" of this genre very well (They're great for smaller scale stuff or getting massive armies ready fast). But all of the paint brands seem to be doing their speed range in very fantastical, bright colours. I think it would be smart if someone did a "vallejo model color" version of a speed range, with reference colours for historical uniforms. Say a german feldgrau for WW2, olive greens, tans, etc. Maybe more muted, realistic blues and reds for napoleonics
Isn't Vallejo themselves coming out with a line?
I came here to say pretty much the same thing. These paints and contrast paints are so saturated and bright. I want some dull colors. I want to paint my Bloodborne board game miniatures, and I'd love to see some drab grey brownish variants matching the grim mood of the game.
Not to be that guy, but most of the original contrast paints and speedpaints have some desaturated, dull colors. Plus vibrant colors are always more versatile to use as they can be mixed with grays and complementary colors to get a more subdued result.
@@grimbostink7607 I think by your message you have probably never painted a big historical army. There's no need to be that guy, there could perfectly be different ranges for speed paints like there are for traditional paints, it's not like someone is putting a gun on your head to choose. And who goes into speed painting wanting to mix colours? That's opposite mindsets/goals
@@crazygermn It's also bright colours as far as we know
Aren't you worried Spikey Bitz will write a hit piece that delves into your personal life?
Really like some of the new colors, super excited that they are expanding and improving this line as I LOVE using speed paints.
All I want is a medium purple that's between hivelord purple (which is almost black) and purple alchemy (which is a really bright magenta). A pale/desaturated pink would also be nice for fleshy bits like mouths, brains, etc.
Nice job! Thanks for doing this, Dana! I really like this setup, and these look great already. I’m really excited!
I tend to paint realistic paint schemes. I’d like to see some military tones. I saw one of the greens fits the olive drab for standard military greens but I’d like drab green greys, some less yellow tan colours etc .
I agree with your notes. I have been happy with the AP speed paints, with my limited experience. Been mixing three colors to get close to CYMK palette.
I really like those colors, especially the light runic grey and the range of browns and greens. Very exciting development for sure!
There's two things i'm missing right now. The first one is a wash range for AP Speedpaints - while I love the vibrancy, I'm not the best painter and washes help to bring all the colors back together. Yes, I can varnish the minis then apply citadel washes, or mix my own with the SP medium (though I' always mix too little or too much, so not the best solution for me either), but it would be super helpful if we just had something ready-made.
What I'd love to see even more, though, is a simple clean-up white paint made to cover mistakes without having to worry about reactivation. Or even a full range made to work with speed paints without the reactivation issue. At that point I'd truly buy AP excusively.
I recently bought the speedpaints and have been enjoying using them in the slap chop method to quickly slay some grey. Very excited for some new colors for sure! I would love to see more muted tones, I tend to not paint with the bright colors on D&D monsters and models, so some good blue-greys , green-greys and brown-grey would be amazing!
I bought the current speed paint set after all your videos and have been absolutely in love with them. Favorite tool in my toolkit now. My wallet is ready for there to be even more on the market lol
Same.
I've been using speed paints a lot. I generally agree with Dana's thoughts and notes. I'd add the following:
1. Sell a large version of the speed paint medium (at least the size that Dana received in this box)
2. Develop as many single pigment colours as possible. This way, we can mix our own new colours easily.
3. I love the look of the new greens, earth tones/skin tones/browns. I use these all the time. Even if these are not single pigment, I'd want them.
4. I would love to see all the new colours painted over silver metal base. I use speed paints a lot as a glaze over metal (usually in a 1:1 colour:medium mix)
I am also curious when army painter is planning to release the new colour options. Will they all be released at once, or in batches?
In terms of color suggestions.
A darker ochre
A BRIGHT yellow green
A blue/green jade-ish
A burnt orange
A lighter grey (one using blue as a pigment, and one using green as a pigment)
I think think this would really help fill out their range
Absolutely love that army painter is doing this. I also am really excited for the new range of greens and browns here. Something I would like to see is a whiter white (really just one that the pigment flows better with so that it gets into the detail but leaves the surface the nice white, something with the consistency and flow of pallid bone, but very light grey) and a blacker black.
I agree some of the new colors look like reformulations of the originals. And some of the new colors are too similar. My guess is that they are looking to you to help them select which is the best amongst the choices. Myself, I think we can probably just have a medium shade of colors and then mix a lighter or darker shade by adding medium or the dark black tone or other darker tone. I know some people don't mix, but I find a little mixing here and there provides variety. And with dropper bottles it is possible to write down and re-create a mix (two drops + one drop) pretty easily.
New to the channel, but been slamming through you videos. They're really helpful!
I'm also a big fan of Speedpaints, and am delighted their releasing so many new colours (hopefully soon). More Greens and Browns are very welcome, as half my palettes end up based around these.
Glad they're addressing the "sameness" problems a bit. I'd love if they could sort especially out the blues. The two are virtually identical, and I'd love a more muted and/or light/darker blue tones
The big “3-4 Hours for reds” hit me in my soul and I thank you for adding that. The red SP has been my bane on recent projects. Going forward I will let it sit for a while.
The bright magenta is lovely
I would like to see some additional vibrant purples and indigos.
I love the vibrant SP colors shown here. Especially the blue greens, the bright green, the yellow, and the magenta.
Lots of great options looks like.
Okay, let my start by saying Good Video, Dana! As a longtime painter whom although hasn't yet tried Speed Paints at all but as someone who uses inks, pure pigments, flow aid and resin to make my own contrasting paints, I would say that the most vibrant ones shown are the pure pigments. The problem with pure pigmentation is that they have a tendency to perform more like straight inks than like a base/shade when used alone.
If I was creating a transparent base/shade/highlight hue, I would start with an almost pure mix of the lighter pigment, let's say Green. Because alone it provides almost no shading for the recesses, you would then pick a darker complimentary color in a minute amount to provide the shading property that will go into the recesses. In this case we will say a desaturated mixture of grey/blue at 25/75. The reason to slightly desaturate this mixture before adding to the pure pigment green is so the green will still show through as an ink in the highlights and will result in less staining on the flat areas.
The only problem in using pure pigments in this way is that it will not work for every color as you need to go from light hue to dark, so doing it backwards (i.e. Pure Pigment Blue and desaturated Green) will not work as the shaded recesses cannot be lighter than the pigments base hue. Army Painter tackling their lighter hues in this manner with pure pigments and desaturated shade hues will allow them to make some very spectacular lighter hues and therefor improve the viability of the Speed Paint range overall while still creating the multiple pigment in-between colors that will give them an overall larger and more varied range. The added bonus of using the brighter primary colors in a purer pigment base will mean that a painter can also custom mix some of these bright primaries with confidence, knowing that the mix will be the correct hue due to less desaturation of the specific hues being mixed. One of my greatest banes is trying to mix up hue shades and ending up somewhere near the grey spectrum due to multiple pigment formulas! I look forward to seeing what you come up with for this project! Good luck and keep up the great content! -Stephen @thetabletopsupershow
The main thing I want is that big bottle of Speedpaint Medium that they gave you, Dana! Otherwise, my only real ask is that rather than concentrating on expanding the range so much (especially with so many colors being so similar to each other), is that you tell The Army Painter to work on making sure that all of their paints are very, very consistent. Getting used to the feel of one unified range will make painting much easier than trying to remember that "these two paints are a bit splotchy.. these 3 feel very thick... these 4 are grainy" etc. If they aren't able to get certain colors to behave exactly like the rest of the range, I would rather they don't release them.
Would love really vibrant versions of all the primary and secondary colors. Something similar to that incredible new magenta. Those would be great for magic/plasma effects.
I would love to see a rich darker red. I was recently looking at a nice gothic art piece with black, a rich aqua green, and blood red, and I couldn't currently replicate that color scheme for a spooky mini because all of these reds look too bright to evoke the 'fresh blood' feel.
I am also a fan off purple, but I've bought basically every speed paint, alchemy paint and contrast paint that goes on purple trying to find a fitting royal purple shade, like the petals of the deadly nightshade flower, for a haunted garden themed ghost I was working on. I've found speedpaints make for awesome army painting and basing resources, specifically because reactivation means I can clean up mistakes quickly and get back to the focal points faster, so having good flower and groundcover colors is really important to me.
Finally, I'd like to see some other white shades. A sepia shadowed white, a tannish white, etc.
I like the new blue top right, kind of royal blue!
I like the lighter version of Runic Grey, and the "cooler white" as well.
Hardened Leather is awesome!
Great video, Dana! I really dig the top left (new) red at 11:56 time.
I'd love to see which colours look good wet/reactivation blended and which just give you a muddy brown or black in the overlap. Not knowing how colours will react to each other is one of the main things that puts me off trying it
A color I had to blend a batch of was a halfway point between flesh tearers red and gore grunta fur. It is quite useful for leathers or furs. Not sure of the speed paint equivalent.
Dunno if it was just my batch or what, but reactivation was so bad that last summer I had paint reactivate a few days after application. The paint I was using atop it was very wet, yes, but if I can't guarantee that I can paint atop it after several days, it's not a product that will work for me. As such, not enthused about the upcoming batch, though the colors are nice enough. Sold my set off and went back to the Goobertown method of mixing your own.
Here's to hoping that Vallejo's Xpress Color range will be the winner many of us have been waiting for. GSW's Dipping Inks are nice, but the range is very small. If they expand that, it might also end up being a one-range solution, as well as the value king. We'll see. My end takeaway is that I'm excited to see more competition in this space.
Worth noting that the dipping inks already have 12 new colors. Still only 36, so still a small range, but they hit some good spots with the new colors.
Really like that they are reaching out like this. Personally I would love whites and dark grey/black with v v subtle undertones. Whites with the slightest apple green/pink/ magenta/blue, and blacks with purple/red/brown/blue. Pretty sure it can be done with white paints, not sure about black/dark grey.
fantastic video, dana, this is addressing all of the questions I had about speedpaints and getting me excited for the new colors! I'll definitely be waiting for the new yellows before I order my bad moonz paints
Looking at the new colors we will get most of the colors I was missing, like a true yellow, turquoise, violet and purple. I only miss a better (not so grey) white closer to Citadel's. And a bigger size medium bottle with better cost/value, that would also be nice. Thanks for the overview! I really love this paints.
I agree with you about the fact that some colors are too close to each other. What I think would be really usefull : add some paints to make like "fluorescent" effect, like plasmatic bolt but for green, blue and other colours. Also add specific paints to work like NMM for the gold, bronze, silver.
I really don't like the black, find it has a green tinge to it and doesn't go dark enough. Just end up using acrylic for my blacks.
I would have 2-3 recomendations for new mixes. For warm light skin tones (on animals/beastman) i really like mix of yellow ochre light and quinacridone rose (PBr24+ PV19) and raw sienna and primary magenta (PY 42+ PV19) as a darker variant. And a colour i have trouble making work but really like the hue is Cerulean blue (PB35) so make this a consistent one layer usable colour please :D
I hope that ArmyPainter will soon have global shipments, it is very difficult to get the paints in Mexico, not all Army Painter products are offered on Amazon, you have to look for resellers all the time, and sometimes it is more profitable to buy the contrast paints on the official website , instead of looking for speed paints.
The SpeedPaints are incredible, I hope they find a partner in Mexico for their sale, or they can ship worldwide soon.
I love the video thanks for sharing!!!
I bought my first mega box of speed paints for your videos!!
Following up your speedpaints with an oil wash also helps take care of reactivation. They aren't water based, and even after you wipe off the excess, you'll have a thin, protective layer of oil that helps you avoid reactivation.
I would love a "Metalizing" or "Pearlizing" SpeedPaint Medium - where you just mix in a little with the color of your choice to get the metallic or pearlescent effect on that color. This would also allow you to control the intensity of the effect.
I like how long it takes to dry. I use the reactivation to blend colors and create battle effects on models. My camo drones for kill team were all done with utilizing reactivation. It was my first time painting minis. I like all these paints types but I just make my own now. Its super cheap and I have more colors in 2 weeks than I do buying them pre-mixed from a company. So now we all chip in and I blend contrast type paints for games.
The photos of the pigments make me concerned about potential issues with a gritty or spottiness; some of that might be the bases themselves, but there's definitely colors like the primary orange where it looks speckled on the pipes, and that gives me pause. Little surprised there wasn't a warm white, kind of like Pallid Bone but a lot more, well, pallid. You know- something closer to Pale Sand.
Having tried using P3's Armor Wash as a way to add a little more contrast to my slap chop methods, I could see Grey White serving a similar purpose: prime white, then hit with the Grey White all over as a way to nudge the crevices into deeper colors when the next layer of Speedpaint goes over them.
A few of the greens look very similar to each other, they could do with a nice emerald green. The browns have the same issue of several colours looking like duplicates. Three of the blues look almost identical, a light blue might be needed. The yellows look good to me. The oranges look very dark, and one of them is almost red, while the magentas look okay, one of them could do with a bit more blue added to it, so they're not all in the same colour range. The purples all look grainy, or dusty, to me. I like the greys, but the duplicate black could do with more pigment, as you suggested.
I feel the lighter colours (white, light turquoise, lighter skin colours) that don't cover much, should be in their own range called 'tints' or something. It's really disappointing when you use these colours, and expect them to have some coverage. They should also include two bottles of the speed-paint medium because if you're not meant to use water, that's all you'll have.
Looking forward to seeing what colours you come up with, I hope emerald green, and a nice deep burgundy are the first ones :)
One thing I wonder with the monopigments that are similar in look is if they mix differently with various other pigments, in terms of how the mix ends up looking. That is, how their reflective/absorptive spectra overlap in different combinations. Probably easier to predict if you have a spectrometer, or at least know what the underlying pigment chemicals are. Do they list what pigments each pigment bottle contains?
Thanks for the preview, looks promising. I like the variety of greens and browns, and agree where you've seen same-y-ness in some of the colours. Maybe more greys and flavours of off-whites like linen, parchment, ivory (as mentioned in another comment).
I've been on a desaturated indigo kick lately. An indigo, in general, would be nice.
And I agree, a nice darker black ya needed.
I need that big bottle of medium in my life, please tell them to sell that! Also don't change grim black and gravlord grey, I love these two so much.
I agree that they need a blacker black in there. Otherwise, I really think that a strong, warm grey would be nice. I know that Prismacolor has a colored pencil called "French Grey", and I think that it's sandy, almost yellowish grey, would be a nice addition to this range, especially if it can have that muted, muddle tone that some of the pigments give off.
Contrast went big and heavy on the bright colors, and I think AP Speed Paints could go ahead and grab from that idea as well, and give us NEON ORANGE to fill in that gap in the oranges. It'll be be bright, almost fluorescent, and really grab eyes.
7:57 Bottles! Ugh, that's what I've been doing wrong! I've been trying to mix my own speed-paint and I was just holding it cupped in my hand! ;)
I'm excited about the new prototypes i can't wait to see them when they put them out for sale
I would with this information love to see what the new line would provide with blends and also if they apply better over also base paints because some times that helps the contrast pop more or look like a really great paint style
Your so honest :) You don’t even bash the contrast. In fact, you say to buy it. Thanks for being a super honest person. I’ll be trying some speed paints to go with my contrasts
I really would like to see more in the Ivory/bone range. I tend to use these a lot as mixers to warm up a lot of the colder ranges that speed/contrast paints seem to steer towards.
Also, how do some of the paints look through an airbrush? Thinking specifically of some of the really dark or maybe gloopy colors - like the purple, red, and dark dark blue.
I like the new colors, I went in to your site to look while watching. And I like a lot of the newer colors. I hope that they produce a lot of them. But yeah reactivation is tough, I have used it tho to blend some things and worked out pretty well.