I FIXED Army Painter Speedpaints' Reactivation Issue!?! (One Simple Trick Pro Painters HATE)
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2022
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This video is about the Army Painter Speedpaints reactivation issue, and how to work around it/fix it so that you can use Speedpaints without any fear of reactivation, and how these paints from Army Painter are really just a new medium to be explored!
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We just gona ignore the fact that Dana just used a broom to "block in the eyes" and absolutely nailed it!? 😅 amazing work 👏
Well, she did say it took her a few tries. Just didn't show it.
Seriously! What was with that BRUSH!? I thought she was just gonna be funny or something. Then, “boop” just like that, eyes are in!
Also, I know she’s an artist and all, but if I had her skill, I wouldn’t need Speed Paint. Ha ha!
@@jameshoepfner3555 LITERALLY, i gasped
Every bottle of pale sand that is sold, Dana Howl becomes more powerful, more unstoppable
High priestess of the Pale Sands
He's VERY cute! Of course the secret was pale sand, I should have known :-)
I wonder why the speed paint reactivates with water and what the medium is made of.... If only we had a chemist....
@@Dreoni_ I think it's just some kind of acrylic medium, water and additives 😅
@@lukewombat5447 If that's the case then maybe you could use any other medium without reactivating the paint? 🤔
My speed paint work flow is as follows:
Base coat - all speed paints all the time. If I need to blend colors together at this stage I use the reactivation to my advantage.
Varnish with gloss or a 50:50 mix of gloss and matt.
Wash and panel line
Highlight with normal acrylics.
But honestly you can just base coat and detail with just speed paint for most of your minis that are just rank and file infantry. Not every model needs to have an insanely detailed paint job.
My condolences and hopes for speedy recovery for anyone playing a Pale Sand drinking game.
I'd just stick with condolences, they're already dead by the end of the video
Hehee i was thinking the exact same thing while watching this. But the hangover would make me... Pale as sand
Quick method I've used: Speed paints, then a thin spray of sealer, then highlights. This locks in the base coats, but still allows touch up (of course you can't blend between the layers...)
Yeah I was waiting for the "just seal it" as the obvious solution.
Well done Dana, I always get something good from your videos and I appreciate the thought and detail you put into your videos.
Lovely. And so good to see some experimenting and inspiration. Adding opaque bright colours (maybe like pale sand? 😄) to the contrast paint used first off is a great way to get a matching highlight paint.
the elf looks absolutely stunning. Top 3 Dana model... ♥
Thanks Annie!
And this is why we need Speedpaint Medium in 100ml bottles instead of just 18ml! Already almost emptied the one that came with my Mega Set and feeling a little grudging about buying one tiny medium.
I've been looking forward to this one. Great video, really makes me want to leave work early to paint!
I like how textured this looks. It's nice and different from the ultra smooth look most people go for and I think really works for such an organic figure. Nice job.
Well, most people you see are painting 28-32mm scale stuff. That elf is 75mm. Doubling (or more) the scale lets you do a *lot* more.
I love it! Great video, great tips! I’ve got my speed paints ready for their first project so I’ll definitely be trying out your method! Thank you Dana!
Amazing results! Will definitely try that technique out for one of the loads of boardgame minis I have on my backlog! Thanks a lot! The next step I'll probably try out is shading down with some complementary colours.
Very nicely done!! Best example of Speedpaint use I've seen yet!! Truly a great video of painting Aikido and using it's 'weaknesses' to your advantage!!
For me, the reactivation is rather an advantage, as I got pretty shaky hands and miss a lot of brushstrokes.
Now I just take a wet brush and wipe away the paint.
It makes my paintjobs look so much cleaner than before.
Yeah, but if you want to varnish the miniature you have to airbrush it because using a brush on varnish will just destroy the paint job.
@@sindrimyr2423 Who puts the varnish on with brush? Never even thought about it - it is so much easier from a can :)
@@lehcyfer people who aren’t lazy.
LOL
@@sindrimyr2423 You say lazy, we say efficient. ;)
Great update Dana and beautiful figure! I’ve yet to receive my mega set, but your take on it was exactly what I had in mind when seeing all the reactivation videos out there; there’s really only so much that is involved with acrylic paints, so it’s kinda only a matter of experimenting with mediums etc. It’s not like there is some revolutionary “new” medium out there, they’re all just tweaked a bit to behave differently. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
That is such a great paint job! I love the details of the stitching. It's subtle, but it adds so much detail.
Thanks for the update Dana! Good stuff!
One of the selling points of the Speedpaints is the price, but having to use the medium to prevent reactivation does lesten the "good value" argument a bit.
Guess what arrived today: my megaset. Awesome video Dana!
Dana, this is brilliant! I've shared it with several groups on FB. Thanks :) Awesome paint job btw!
Perfect timing!! Thank you so much Dana. You rock!
I keep gaping in wonder and amazement on how you started with a boney beige and build up such a vibrant, organic and varied skin color from that!
That takes so much understanding and mastery about color, I just... wow! Art goals!
Quick question from someone who is somewhat of a novice, couldn't you simply varnish over the speed paint first and then begin your glazes?
if you want, yes!!! That's the obvious way to do it, I just wanted a solution that would be quicker than varnishing after each coat
Ahhh.. but you have to pick a good varnish, or the varnish itself my reactivate! (rattlecan vs. brush on varnishes)
this break the purpose of the "speed" paints. Mixing the speedpaints with acrylics somehow works also against "speed". I think the main purpose of speedpaints is to paint it quick without considering to bring depth to the miniture - e.g. make armies of minis tabletop-ready to play, nothing more.
@@marianrys316 Speedpaints work great for making armies ready quickly. But they also work great for just cutting a few steps out of layering colors on a miniature. But then there might still be a bit of layering or highlighting you still want to do afterward and that's where this technique comes in handy. It's pretty much just whatever you want to use it for. Personally, I like the fact that it works great for getting a mini table ready in a fraction of the time, or for letting you rapidly get a miniature ready to be taken to the next level. Maybe I've watched too much Alton Brown, but I think products that multi-task are always better than ones that only do a single task :)
@@marianrys316 I think the point is that you can use them in multiple different ways; they obviously also seem to work well as richly coloured glazes in addition to quick one coat paint jobs
Wow! If I hadn't seen it, I would find it hard to believe speed paints did that! Thanks for showing what they are actually capable of!!
Looks really great! Amazing what you can achieve with just a bottle of pale sand. Either Rivenstone or Army Painter is going to have to hire you soon.
thank you so much for all the tips and tricks. i came to a similar conclusion for using the speed paint medium to dilute the base color paints into a highlight for some speed paints. of course, clumisly and not anywhere near as effective as i see you do! thank you so much for posting all these great videos!
Such a great painterly style, a totally different approach that I will definitely try to use
See, people have been talking about reactivation and I was wondering what they were on about as I have been using the speedpaint medium to thin the paints down and highlight with 🤦🏻♂️
Just came back to this video again after finally getting some speedpaints to try - so much great advice!
Great discovery & video! This reactivation workaround sold me on the range.
Thank you so much for this! I can’t wait to go try this out on my next models.
Thank you for making this. I find that much like Contrast paints, Speed Paints can be a wonderful tool with just a little work learning how best to handle them. Treating them like any other paint is going to lead to frustration
This is such a great video...... it's like a intro to advanced speedpaint techniques. Thank you so much for putting this out I've already referenced the great ideas in it many times.
My pleasure! I hope to do an updated version of this video soon as I feel I've learned even more since then!
@@DanaHowl Dana, may I know what model number this is!? I've been trying to find this version for the past week and I cannot find it.
Exceptional discovery Dana. I've been adding VJ Glaze medium to highlights on top of Speedpaint and I was able to blend down into the reactivated SP, but I'll definitely glaze with SP medium for more controlled highlights and washes. Thanks for your hard work and a beautiful looking display model 👏👏👌👌🖌️
Following up on this the method 6 months ;). It works...but not 100%. Stronger pigments still move/bleed and applying decals is still difficult over Speedpaint. :(
Gosh, that one turned out nice. Well done. Thanks also for the speed paint highlighting technique, it's obvious in retrospect, but I wouldn't have thought to do it.
This video just solved every issue I had...Cant thank you enough!
So so so talented. Amazing paint job.
My main issue is that there needs to be a “work around”. These are marketed as an alternative to contrast. They are supposed to make painting faster and easier. Having to make mixtures of your own speedpaints just to avoid the ain’t coming off the model isn’t very user friendly.
They will probably have a place in my pallet but still very disappointed by the product.
Actually, I thought the same. However, the first time you apply the Crusader Skin it’s like freaking magic. Same with Runic grey over metallics. I strongly recommend getting a color or two and checking them out. Yes, there are issues, but still - 30-40 minutes per tabletop standard mini, and without these awful pooling from contrast - in my book it’s “worth it”.
It's not difficult to keep the contrast paints from pooling, you can always draw some of the paint back out with your brush. This whole process seems like a lot of additional work for no reason.
The reactivation actually makes wet blending a dream
Contrast is designed to be a one and done deal really. GW didn't want you doing more than undercoating + one application, if their original marketing material is to be believed. Remember when they came out and were pretty much roasted across the board? Took a good 6-12 months for the community to discover what they were good for (hint: not what GW marketed them as really). This product, if it is intended to be a fill in for contrast as GW intended then doing more than a single coat isn't really what they want.
@@joel6376 contrast is a good base coat, that's about it. But. These are excellent base coats as well. And with the ability to wet blend built into them I've had much more success using them well than I have the contrasts. I much prefer these.
You are a paint-wizard and a color-scholar ☺️ thank you for this ❤️
Oh wow! I'd completely forgotten that I'd been through the reactivation issue previously when using chipping medium. I did the same thing, I used medium to replace water when brushing on the coat over the chipping medium. As you said, so obvious when you think about it.
Love your work, and the model turned out wonderful, BUT... I personally don't think any quick-paint (contrast, speed, other name) should require this much though and "workaround". While the GW Contrastp are more expensive, they do work "out of the pot". Speedpaints, unfortunately, don't do it for me..
Great job. Try turning the model upside down to paint the other eye. Works for me
I'll try that!
Awesome! I haven’t tried the speedpaint medium yet but I defo will now.
thank you so much for this! i lost confidence in my new speed paints because of this exact property.
This is a game changer. Go try this Dana is underselling how big this is. She has changed everything!
Yeah these are awesome solutions. Making the highlight color by mixing pale sand (pro acryl ivory in my case) and the speed paint used worked great and I am now really able to make my models just pop a bit more when using the under painting technique with some selective additional highlights. Worked wonders with the cloud burst blue which dried way darker than I thought.
Thank you so much for your really helpful video. Now I just need some time for painting again.
Haven’t painted minis in years. I saw AP speed paints at the store and was hesitant. Wanted to research before buying. Ended up hearing a lot about “reactivation”. Found this video, and I decided to give it a shot. Bought the paints and experimented with acrylics over speedpaint and it reactivated. I used the speedpaint medium with regular acrylics and was able to layer over it. Thanks for this video! Subscribed.
Would be very interested in seeing what other (if any) paint mediums also don't reactivate the speedpaints. Especially if some of the mediums in larger bottles work (e.g. vallejo glaze, AP airbrush, Instant Colors medium,...)
Good point!
@@DanaHowl This also just made me realize, can you use acrylic varnishes as mediums?
I've tried a few different mediums in layers on top of Speedpaint and anything water based will move the SP. I tried Glaze medium, Flow Improver, Matt Varnish and even Decal fix solution. The Matt Varnish held better than most and the Decal solution glooped up pretty much everything. Dana's SP medium method makes so much obvious sense.
@@keithburden7191 Interesting, Army Painter says that speed paint is a "resin medium solution"
@@Dreoni_ varnishes take 12+ hours to cure, so generally no but as far as I understand, yes you could.
Been experimenting with them and the only things I DIDN'T try was mixing them together or using the medium (which I forgot I had). Thanks for doing the heavy lifting for me!
Good to know, thanks! I have this range, but haven't used them yet. I use Valejo brush-on varnishes with GW contrast paints with no issues, but I guess after watching this I'll have to do a test model and see if the Valejo brush-ons reactivate the AP speedpaint. I love brush-on varnishes since I can control the finish of different parts of the model with them.
Recently, I’ve been getting back into Raven Guard via the Horus Heresy and have been considering the switch from GW Contrast Paints to Army Painter Speed Paints. The way I paint black armour is more involved than just a Grey Seer and Black Templar affair, glazing on a bit of Ultramarines Blue for some richness and complexity and when considering the transition, the issue of rehydration always enters my mind so this vid was helpful.
As someone getting serious...about painting green dudes...and interested in speedpaints, this is so helpful. Thanks!
Honestly... I should not have to competely change my painting workflow, including using the pretty expensive Speedpaint Medium instead of water. I'm still sticking to Scale75's Instant Color when I want to use a Contrast-like paint.
agreed, i think the only use case is if someone really really wanted to save the money on paints
Awesome, this was exactly what I was looking for
I've been using a few of these techniques using AP speedpaint and pale sand and the whole time thinking, "Dana Howl would approve"
This title…perfection
thank u!
lovely paint job, thanks for the tips!
That end result though!
The leather look so good!
Great video, beautifully painted well presented.
Awesome mini! Love the tutorial!
Excited to try this technique on some skin!
This is really helpful - thanks for posting!
So your solution is APSP medium. That intriguing since Goobertown made a video where APSP medium is reactivating the paint and striping off the whole paint job with pure medium.
Cool video. I just brought the Speed Paints and this will help with using them.
love the tip for highlighting speedpaints!
Thanks for the video. Ssing your idea I mixed some Vallejo Deck Tan w speedpaints to drybrush over the initial speedpainted coat. Worked well.
the slightly mottled look of the speedpaints made the leather looks amazing!
Awesome ... but it takes the 'speed' out of speed paints LOL. Nevertheless, as I say, just an awesome piece of work. If you had to paint with cow manure I reckon you would make it look exquisite :)
that is a great job on Scott's mini
Thanks for the tips, these are fantastic!
So if this is the solution - just using the AP medium for thinning - then I am gonna try those paints. Thanks for pointing out!
subbed. you have fantastic skills. I got the beginning set of the speed paints but I haven't tried them yet. very thankful I waited for this video. slightly intimidated. I only really got into the miniatures building painting playing since the beginning of the year so I'm very new to all this. anytime I try something new that's another level of semi-anxiety until oh I can do this. I am learning to love Army Painters Shades paint. my painting skills are pretty horrendous. I have even dabbled in making terrain.
I have some female Orc figures to add to my Orc clan, and some Ral Partha metal (primed) female warrior figures that I'll be painting soon. I want them ready for my next human incursion into my Orcland. again great vid.
OMG thank you thank you thank you Dana!!!!! I was using the speedpaint and then varnishing before applying acrylic paint. You just solved my problem…. Can you work on world peace next, lol!!!!
That's a beautiful paint job!
Thank you, some handy tips for sure
This is so helpful! Thanks a lot!
Excellent paint job on an excellent model!
Thank you for this idea. I want to just use speed paints for knocking out large groups of troops this will help a bunch! Subbed for a lot of your ideas great channel.
Great painting. Can't see reason for using this paints, but breaking paradigm how miniatures are painted is awesome.
I can see that being used for art on a MTG card! Well done!!
Thank you for this!
I have been adoring my speed paints. I never thought of using the medium with normal acrylics.
Great tip! Like with like sounds obvious once it's pointed out, but it needs to be pointed out to make it obvious :)
Nailed it again Dana.
Brilliant. Thank you.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thanks for the information! Have you tried using gel-based acrylics (like Scale75) over speed paints to see if they still have the reactivation issue? And same question but with tube based artistic acrylics.
Really useful tips, thank you
This is great. Now I'd like to hear your take on fixing mistakes with speedpaints. And also if you would use a sky blue for working in blue tones so they don't turn green.
Sorry, but this made me belly laugh so much. If you have to do this much work and experimenting to “fix” these issues, it sounds like it’s just a cheap poor quality product.
@@73cwalton Are you a painter? If so, can you honestly say you've never made an errant brush stroke? And have you not ever experimented with a new paint additive, to see if it would work for you or not?
Maybe you misunderstood because you don't practice the craft.
Oh, I practice the craft. What made me laugh is the that a product that never fully cures and can still bleed though other layers of paint is just not a great product. You can wrestle with it all you like or you could just find a product that works without the hassle.
Enjoy your painting.
@@73cwalton I have an airbrush, so can do the varnish step to seal them in. So that's not that big of an issue for me. I'd just rather not take that step if I can avoid it, and I think Dana is exploring ways of avoiding that step. That's why I'm interested in what else she is discovering.
Ahh why didn’t I think of that thanks subbed !
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Great video. I'd love to see more dnd minis.
That was a great spit take.
Freckles on an elf is such a cool idea for grounding them in a more low fantasy setting visually. Like it gives them an “imperfection” and makes them more mundane, totally stealing this.
I do think they are a cool idea too, it somewhat humanizes these fantasy figures!
Calling freckles an "imperfection" is going a bit far. They usually occur for people that have a thinner protective melanin layer in their skin, usually around the face.
GENIUS!
The main thing I've learned and used heavily since getting speed paints, is *underpainting* the speed paints. It works incredibly well on metallics as it tamps down some of the excess/grainy look metallics can have and provides a shimmery range of hues. A second technique I would recommend only on smaller (space marine or battle mech sized) models, is once you have your primary paint and speed paint on the model, coat the entire thing like you're doing a wash except using speed paint, with the color you'd like it to be washed in, to get a 'mother color' effect - THEN (and this part felt crazy the first few times I did it *but it works*) - dunk it in water. Just a second. Pull it out and use a big brush with lots of absorbency, and gently sweep all over the model to get the now runny outside layer of speed paint off. No pressure needed - the layer you just applied will absorb right into the brush, but it will leave the layers underneath still intact, and leave a trace of tint on the flat panels and large surfaces while still running into the cracks to create a VERY clean wash. Watch for pooling of course, but I have painted a number of battle mechs and found this way more reliable at preventing coffee staining compared to a traditional wash, especially since applying a water based wash over speed paint would reactivate. You will want a paper towel and a clean cup of water to clean the brush frequently, and you will probably get some on your hands (dunking in water will, of course, cause it to run), but speed paint cleans off easy, due to water solubility.
Stunning, so many great details I would not bother with when painting ... but how do you keep your brush so pointy ... my ones quickly get messed up, and before I know instead of a single point it's more likely for my brush to draw two lines instead of a single one ... the hair of the brushes seem to separate in more strands and won't go back into a single point ... any suggestions ... by the way a great video thanks
Hi i just stumbled upon your channel as i was speed painting red assault intercessors and i have used blood red speed paint as the main base over corax white spray. as soon as i started tidying up my over spill and discovered the 'reactivation, it seems that the medium works well but can i not matt varnish then go back to work on my squad and happily paint ober the varnish with no problems ? thanks so much great video and i love love love your colour work its beautiful