I’ll never understand why so many people complain about the slide-mounted decocker. I’ve carried and shot a variety of handguns over the past 30 years. With practice, practice, and practice…I’m convinced any pistol can be handled effectively. Love my Beretta’s! Great explanatory video as always!
Great explanation. I would guess that a lot of the people who criticize Beretta controls and ergonomics would think differently if they knew the reasons. I hated the M9s when the Army first handed me one but the more I used it the better I liked it. Thanks to your videos, I'm liking them better all the time. I think the Army should have stuck with it.
Not just the Army. All branches should have stuck with it. I still prefer mine over the latest and greatest since it was attached to my side for so many years.
I’ve always preferred the placement of the decocker on the Sig p series pistols, but I learned something tonight from watching this video. Thanks, Mr. Langdon. That was very instructive!
Nice to see someone giving the 92 some love. It was my old faithful for over 20 years. I just came across your channel Ernest, great content! I've been bing watching! Even us "experienced" gun folks can learn a thing or three 👍🏻
Just picked up my Beretta 92X “G type” this week. Living in Connecticut, it came with three ten round mags. Looking forward to shooting it this week. Enjoy your videos.
You are the only person I have seen that thoroughly explained why the Beretta decocks to the full forward hammer position. The possibility of debris getting between the hammer and the firing pin in the half cock position is logical. However, I still question why my HK and Sig both decock to the half cock position and carrying and firing them from the half cock position is accepted practice for them while it is not acceptable for my PX4.
Excellent analysis and explanation. My first carry gun was a Bersa Thunder 380 which basically mimics a Beretta as far as controls go. I now have two PX4 Storm Compacts in G configuration and plan to get a 92x Compact sometime soon. The "half decocked" aspect of CZ's always bugged me. Now I know why.
what I like about the slide mounted decocker is that i can flip it to fire or decock the pistol without breaking grip, my 226 and my USP tac both require me to break grip to decock. The way the decocker is shaped on the Berettas is for the side of your thumb, you just push your thumb forward which is so much faster and comfortable than using the tip of your thumb.
Very nice explanation in contemporary terms! It would be interesting to hear Walther's reasoning when this system was designed for the PP, which could be considered the grandfather of the 92F.
Well said. I had all kind of problems with the frame mounted safety/decocker on the FNX because my hand size made my thumb ride the lever and unintentionally decock the hammer during recoil. For me now it’s either frame mounted safety only (CZ P07, 1911s) or slide mounted decocker only (beretta M9A3). The only frame mounted safety / decocker I will keep is the PPK/S for collection purposes.
Forgot to add that a slide mounted safety can accidentally put your gun on safe when racking the slide with a overhand method. That’s why I prefer type G berettas m9/92s.
Seems they are sold out everywhere right now just about. I have no doubt we'll see more of them as soon as possible--a LOT of people really love that gun.
The Beretta 92 series is one of the most reliable, straight forward pistols known. If slide mounted de-cock is giving one trouble, need to work on gross motor skills generally.
@@AlexN2022 Oh, I know! Handled quite a few F type Berettas in my day and I'm comfortable using them. As for the ones I currently own, I only use a G type...except for my old 70S, but ye.
@Clown World In that case, nothing is pulling the trigger in my glove compartment annnnd laying around my house it's just ready to go?...I do not have kids, let alone ignorant ones. Safety is necessary on single action guns only. I don't see how a safety would even stop a child or unwanted adults from taking it off either. It is one of few moving parts on a gun and a 5 year old could sweep a safety off on accident, it's literally meant to be disengaged with ease d:
Mr Ernest Langdon i was wondering if you could answer a question for me. I have a Beretta 84FS. It has the Frame Mounted Decocker. When i decock the pistol the hammer falls to what you explain as the HALF COCKED POSITION with a little gap between the hammer and the back of the slide. My question is ive noticed that if i were to start to squeeze the trigger from that decocked position the hammer will start to move back as i put more pressure on the trigger. There is a point before the hammer is fully back and drops that i hear an internal CLICK. If i stop squeezing the trigger at that point and release my finger pressure off the trigger i notice this time the hammer will come down fully and rest against the back of the slide. Does this condition happen with all FRAME MOUNTED DECOCKERS if the trigger is squeezed from a decocked position but not fully squeezed to fire the gun and then the trigger pressure is released lowering the hammer. Do they all advance forward of the half cocked position?? My question is it unsafe to carry the beretta 84FS in this condition with the hammer resting against the back of the slide? Is the firing pin still blocked from moving forward at this point? Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated
Since it has been eleven months, your question may have already been answered, but I will answer it because it may benefit others. It is perfectly normal for the Beretta 84FS decocker system to operate as you describe: the Beretta 84 decocker, when activated, releases the connection between the sear and the hammer, but at about the same time the interceptor is also activated, by engaging the gap on the left side of the hammer. The interceptor is designed to dam the hammer in a unique position. The interceptor is spring-loaded, and when the safety is released and the trigger is pulled, the interceptor retracts into the frame, and an audible click can be heard. The same thing happens when you try to cock the hammer. If you continue to squeeze the trigger, you can start from the DA position, but if you stop applying pressure to the trigger, the hammer will try to return to the rest position. In this case, the interceptor is not functioning and the hammer will return to the back of the slide. Even if the hammer is carried with the hammer against the back of the slide, the automatic firing pin block is functioning, so in theory there is no problem at all and the hammer can be carried safely. This specification is a unique feature of the Beretta 80 series; the Cz75BD and USP, which has a similar frame-mounted decocker system, hammers down to the half-cock position.
@@xdrawgrandpuissance7493 Thank you for taking the time to answer my question in detail. That was very kind of you and i do hope it will help others curious about the Beretta 84FS.
I’ve never had a problem with slide mounted safeties. I do have the WC standard decockers on my M9’s and 92 Compact. My PX4 Compact Carry pistols also have the stealth levers. I tried the $55 Beretta G conversion, but the weak side sticks out like a scope turret for MY eyes. Most other people I know love them. I have a collection of PPK’s, and their slide mounted decocker is essentially a stealth lever.
Maybe it's just because I am used to it... but I think the rear-mounted de-cocker on the HK P-series guns represents the most logical and ergonomic placement for the device. It's out of the way, can't be confused with the safety or the slide release, and almost impossible to accidentally depress. But I am now curious about the half cock and sear notch issues you described. Thanks for the great video.
I know this comment is old, but you can convert hk pistols to decocker only, manual safety only, and their LEM trigger. It's just a piece of metal that you can change, look for "hk pistols variants" on google, maybe there's information on the manual of the gun.
Personally I think the military should have just upgraded the m9. Save tax payer dollars. The guys who would actually have a chance of needing a pistol(think spec ops) already get to pick what they want.
Can you clarify for me if the safety lever on the 92G Elite works the same way as the px4 storm? I love the way the px4 storm safety decocks the pistol safely and was wondering if the 92G does the same.
Functionally they are the same thing. If you have a stock PX4, it may be a safety model, meaning the lever stays down and disengages the trigger. The Elite is a G model and springs back to the fire position. But they decocking part is functionally the same.
Man, this is what I've always been telling people who complain about the safety/decocker position. I can't tell you how many times I've seen garbage spewed like this "I just can't get past the slide mounted safety even the Taurus clones improved on this". Mouth breathers.
@ Christopher Johnson You said it! In all the years I've carried and shot pistols with slide-mounted safeties, it's never been an issue. People just love to dream up problems to justify why they don't like something.
if it's a safety, and is going to be used as such, then it needs to be on the frame. Very few people would argue with that. If it's a decocker only, or if the safety part is never used, then slide placement is better. I certainly have decoked guns accidentally by thumb-riding a slide mounted lever while shooting hot ammo one handed.
@ Alex N - I for one disagree. I prefer the slide mounted lever whether it's a safety or a decocker only. Walther PPK, S&W 3rd gen, or Beretta 92, I've never had an issue with any of them, and having a single uniform operating system means I don't have to retrain muscle memory when I switch guns. The worst that will happen is I'll slide my thumb past the decocker-only lever trying to disengage the safety.
@@AlexN2022 How do you ride a slide mounted decocker...? Literally doesn't make sense. If your thumb is on a SLIDE MOUNTED decocker when it goes bang, your hand is behind the slide and you're fucking up your hand. I think you meant to say you've accidentally thumbed a FRAME MOUNTED decocker, as that would logistically be possible xD
Unlike revolver, pistols can be designed in hundreds of ways. Exemple: a decocked PT92 hammer doesn't rest in the sear, but on a dedicated interceptor. Slide mounted decockers don't allow to keep the gun cocked and locked. Americans used to love this feature (the same seen on the original Beretta 92 from the 70s). A VIS35 has a good solution for the firing pin and that solution could be easily adapted on a slide mounted safety (make the firing pin sink on the slide, so the hammer hits the slide, not the firing pin). Some slide mounted safeties are problematic when the slide is pulled. Pros and cons... I dont like them and both can be poorly deaigned.
Hey there Mr. Langdon I have a question for you that is unrelated to decockers. Do you run the Wilson Combat short reach trigger in your pistols? I find it's a little too short of a reach in single action as opposed to the stock trigger. Just wanted to get your take. Thanks.
Can cosign for the remark about the sig decocker being problematic for some people. I can't shoot the single stacks (p225, p239) because my support hand depresses the decocker just enough to cause consistent light strikes. Never happens on my p226 or p229. . . or my LTT Elite ;)
I want to get one of your guns. But you do the type G decockers and I prefer the type F. There are times when I want to safety my gun and the Type F will do both, safety AND decock. Is it possible to order one with that type of safety?
@@LangdonTactical Sweet! Now I have to decide between the 92 and the PX4. I already have a 92 and an M9A3 and absolutely love them. And off to the range tomorrow with my daughter to test fire a PX4 again. I shall be calling you soon with an order. Thanks
I think this insight is good and it does make sense. But I don’t think those instances would occur depending on the size of the gun fitting the person’s hand of that makes sense. I have large sized hands and I carry a CZ75 PCR which has a frame mounted decocker. I practice my grip with it and the decocker has never interfered with my hand. That being said, having a good grip and keeping it tight would highly prevent those potential problems with a frame mounted decocker. So guys, if you’re looking to carry an HK USP or a Sig P229 or a CZ75 P0-1, etc. I think these hazards are something to consider but don’t allow it to entirely influence your decision on what gun to carry.
The PCR has a great decocker location for most people, and a nice little pistol to boot. Again, the point of the video is to explain the reasons behind having the decocker on the slide. Other systems work well and work for many people.
People rarely consider your 4th reason. The thing is, i think the design was bad for a DOD pistol. for skilled shooters, it's a good design, especially considering the era. however, the majority of guys who are issued the gun aren't skilled and end up exploiting disadvantages with the gun. primarily throwing the thing on safe during slide manipulations. some have issues sweeping the safety off as well. i'm talking purely the gi guns though. i was on the marine corps shooting team as well and spent the rest of my time as a cmt/pmi. saw tons of guys on the range who refuse to learn the info and just struggle.
The P07 is a very nice gun. I am not trying to say it is bad, I am just explaining the reasons for a slide-mounted decocker. It does not mean the other ones are bad.
I’m a fan of yours and love Berettas but nothing you spoke of was around when the 92 started production. So I have a hard time believing that Beretta was so far ahead of the game that it knew of what other pistols shortcomings would be and designed around it. I believe it was about trying to separate themselves from the 1911.
@@douglasbrmn2 How so? Probably should've included some sorta argument in your comment...might've been more interesting than your exaggerated, cliche response. Better luck next time, fella :D
It was not a question of knowing the other pistols' shortcomings and designing around. The decocker was requested buy the Italian Police (infact it was first installed in the 92S, adopted by the Police). Beretta did put it there because they thought it was the safest and most logical place to put one.
Well… the only reason I won’t question is how the SOG style impacts the function of the sear, long term. When I use the SIG, unless it’s an emergency, I lower the hammer slowly. I don’t know if that changes the dynamics on the seat. But the slightly “cocked” hammer of the SIG? It’s always like that. Drop the Mohammed with your thumb on it, it’s still half cocked. Heck, drop the hammer on empty chamber: the hammer still rests at “half cock.” And as for debris… well, tell that to carriers of 1911’s and P-35’s. As for half applying the decock while firing? Ok… maybe. Haven’t ever run across that personally. But he has more experience than me, I’d guess. Bottom line, I don’ t buy the superiority of the side mounted decocker. But I don’t dislike it, and I’d certainly use it. Heck, the whole reason I’m watching this video is I’m wanting to track down a PX4.
Love that 92x thanks for that info cause a lot of my buddies telling me that I should of gotten a pistol with a frame decocker I just said to them fuck off!!
Slide mounted decocker makes sense. Slide mounted safety does not. I don't know why Beretta keeps pushing the safety DA/SA as the default instead of decocker only.
Far more fun too! My Px4 just drops that hammer down all fast n shit, BO-RING. The Sig is all, CLIK-CLACK! If I was basing my carry choice on decocker fun-times solely, Sig wins 10/10....so satisfying.
Funny how the Baretta M9 chocked when it was put through the Gauntlet Test on the Military Arms Channel, while the likes of the CZ P-07 passed with flying colors with their frame mounted decockers. We understand that you’re selling product, but let it not be through other firearms accounts.
Well, first of all, I never said any of the other designs are bad. I am a fan of many of the other guns as well. I am just pointing out the reasons for the slide mounted safety/de-cocking system. Second, the "Gauntlet Test" is for entertainment purposes only, even according to its own standards and description on its own channel. And it does a good job of that, "entertainment". That "test" does not meet standards for military testing or scientific testing by anyone's standards, not even to the owner of the channel. Guns that have passed many other military testing standards for sand, dirt, and mud have not passed the "Gauntlet Test" including the Beretta M9 and many others.
There is really someone that takes the gauntlet test seriously? What statistical significance you think can have a test done on a single sample of the gun, with the conditions (IE the composition of the mud, the way the gun is covered of it by hand...) changing for every one of them? Take five samples for every gun, throw them in the same cement mixer full of the same sand/mud and test every one of them, and you'll have something significative (not really for civilian or military use, but since there are many people thinking they'll land in some swamp, dragging their pistol in the mud with a rope instead of holstering it, first to have to use it...).
You quoted other firearm manufacturer designs and portrayed them as inferior when compared to your preferred design. Yes, the Gauntlet Tests aren't scientific and are just done for solemnly entertainment, but they happen to prove the theory contained in this video otherwise.
How can a "not scientific test" prove something? We have to believe that the gauntlet test "proved" that the SIG P226 fails miserably every time it sees sand? It simply happened to THAT gun.
I never said they were "inferior". I simply used them as examples. The point of the video is to explain why the slide mounted de-cocker works and why it is used. Some people complain about the slide mounted de-cocking system for various reasons, I am simply explaining why it is used and what the advantages are.
so my 1911 that i carried for the last 40 years is all wrong? when the Corps took my 1911 and gave me the M9, I simply could not make it work. swapped the M9 base plates to my Sig226 mags and had 0, NO performance problems, when I could sneak the 1911 in that what I carried. Yes you are a great shooter. How much does Beretta pay you?
What do magazine base plates or 1911 have to do with this video? I am talking about decocking levers and their location on a DA/SA pistol. I did not bash on your beloved 1911 or even mention it in the video. 1911s do not have a decocker. What is your point? Are you saying you ran Sig 226 magazines in your M9?
I’ll never understand why so many people complain about the slide-mounted decocker. I’ve carried and shot a variety of handguns over the past 30 years. With practice, practice, and practice…I’m convinced any pistol can be handled effectively. Love my Beretta’s! Great explanatory video as always!
Great explanation. I would guess that a lot of the people who criticize Beretta controls and ergonomics would think differently if they knew the reasons. I hated the M9s when the Army first handed me one but the more I used it the better I liked it. Thanks to your videos, I'm liking them better all the time. I think the Army should have stuck with it.
Not just the Army. All branches should have stuck with it. I still prefer mine over the latest and greatest since it was attached to my side for so many years.
Personally, I prefer the Beretta design over the Sig-Sauer guns.
An excellent explanation of Beretta's decocker. All my Beretta's have been upgraded from safety/decocker to decocker only.
G all the way!
Ernie knows his stuff. He also builds really excellent guns.
I’ve always preferred the placement of the decocker on the Sig p series pistols, but I learned something tonight from watching this video. Thanks, Mr. Langdon. That was very instructive!
I prefer my Berettas but man, that SIG decocker is so satisfying O_O...idk what it is xD
Wish I know half of what Ernest knows about firearms. The man is a guru.
Nice to see someone giving the 92 some love. It was my old faithful for over 20 years. I just came across your channel Ernest, great content! I've been bing watching! Even us "experienced" gun folks can learn a thing or three 👍🏻
Just picked up my Beretta 92X “G type” this week. Living in Connecticut, it came with three ten round mags. Looking forward to shooting it this week. Enjoy your videos.
You are the only person I have seen that thoroughly explained why the Beretta decocks to the full forward hammer position. The possibility of debris getting between the hammer and the firing pin in the half cock position is logical. However, I still question why my HK and Sig both decock to the half cock position and carrying and firing them from the half cock position is accepted practice for them while it is not acceptable for my PX4.
Excellent analysis and explanation. My first carry gun was a Bersa Thunder 380 which basically mimics a Beretta as far as controls go. I now have two PX4 Storm Compacts in G configuration and plan to get a 92x Compact sometime soon. The "half decocked" aspect of CZ's always bugged me. Now I know why.
Never thought of it that way. Thanks for the insight!
what I like about the slide mounted decocker is that i can flip it to fire or decock the pistol without breaking grip, my 226 and my USP tac both require me to break grip to decock. The way the decocker is shaped on the Berettas is for the side of your thumb, you just push your thumb forward which is so much faster and comfortable than using the tip of your thumb.
Very nice explanation in contemporary terms! It would be interesting to hear Walther's reasoning when this system was designed for the PP, which could be considered the grandfather of the 92F.
Well said. I had all kind of problems with the frame mounted safety/decocker on the FNX because my hand size made my thumb ride the lever and unintentionally decock the hammer during recoil.
For me now it’s either frame mounted safety only (CZ P07, 1911s) or slide mounted decocker only (beretta M9A3). The only frame mounted safety / decocker I will keep is the PPK/S for collection purposes.
Forgot to add that a slide mounted safety can accidentally put your gun on safe when racking the slide with a overhand method. That’s why I prefer type G berettas m9/92s.
Woww! Very clear and nice explanation! Thank you!
Best breakdown I’ve heard, Thanks!
Straight to the point information ... Thanks
Just picked up a 92G Elite and love the decocker-only on the slide, I can hit it with the thumb easily.
A stellar safety on a stellar gun!
Your the reason I bought a PX-4 Compact👍
Brilliant. Love this guy. Absolutely need his LTT pistol. Unfortunately completely sold out up here. 🇨🇦
Seems they are sold out everywhere right now just about. I have no doubt we'll see more of them as soon as possible--a LOT of people really love that gun.
The Beretta 92 series is one of the most reliable, straight forward pistols known. If slide mounted de-cock is giving one trouble, need to work on gross motor skills generally.
Your motor skills are gross
Slide mounted safety? BLEH. Slide mounted decocker? Well executed.
More importantly: Safety on a DA/SA handgun? BLEH. Decocker only? All day.
@@Eatsoup3 safety is usable, and a slide mounted safety does not get engaged accidentally with proper handling. But it's not a principal issue.
@@AlexN2022 Oh, I know! Handled quite a few F type Berettas in my day and I'm comfortable using them. As for the ones I currently own, I only use a G type...except for my old 70S, but ye.
@Clown World In that case, nothing is pulling the trigger in my glove compartment annnnd laying around my house it's just ready to go?...I do not have kids, let alone ignorant ones. Safety is necessary on single action guns only. I don't see how a safety would even stop a child or unwanted adults from taking it off either. It is one of few moving parts on a gun and a 5 year old could sweep a safety off on accident, it's literally meant to be disengaged with ease d:
Mr Ernest Langdon i was wondering if you could answer a question for me. I have a Beretta 84FS. It has the Frame Mounted Decocker. When i decock the pistol the hammer falls to what you explain as the HALF COCKED POSITION with a little gap between the hammer and the back of the slide. My question is ive noticed that if i were to start to squeeze the trigger from that decocked position the hammer will start to move back as i put more pressure on the trigger. There is a point before the hammer is fully back and drops that i hear an internal CLICK. If i stop squeezing the trigger at that point and release my finger pressure off the trigger i notice this time the hammer will come down fully and rest against the back of the slide. Does this condition happen with all FRAME MOUNTED DECOCKERS if the trigger is squeezed from a decocked position but not fully squeezed to fire the gun and then the trigger pressure is released lowering the hammer. Do they all advance forward of the half cocked position??
My question is it unsafe to carry the beretta 84FS in this condition with the hammer resting against the back of the slide? Is the firing pin still blocked from moving forward at this point? Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated
Since it has been eleven months, your question may have already been answered, but I will answer it because it may benefit others.
It is perfectly normal for the Beretta 84FS decocker system to operate as you describe: the Beretta 84 decocker, when activated, releases the connection between the sear and the hammer, but at about the same time the interceptor is also activated, by engaging the gap on the left side of the hammer. The interceptor is designed to dam the hammer in a unique position.
The interceptor is spring-loaded, and when the safety is released and the trigger is pulled, the interceptor retracts into the frame, and an audible click can be heard. The same thing happens when you try to cock the hammer.
If you continue to squeeze the trigger, you can start from the DA position, but if you stop applying pressure to the trigger, the hammer will try to return to the rest position. In this case, the interceptor is not functioning and the hammer will return to the back of the slide.
Even if the hammer is carried with the hammer against the back of the slide, the automatic firing pin block is functioning, so in theory there is no problem at all and the hammer can be carried safely.
This specification is a unique feature of the Beretta 80 series; the Cz75BD and USP, which has a similar frame-mounted decocker system, hammers down to the half-cock position.
@@xdrawgrandpuissance7493 Thank you for taking the time to answer my question in detail. That was very kind of you and i do hope it will help others curious about the Beretta 84FS.
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I’ve never had a problem with slide mounted safeties. I do have the WC standard decockers on my M9’s and 92 Compact. My PX4 Compact Carry pistols also have the stealth levers. I tried the $55 Beretta G conversion, but the weak side sticks out like a scope turret for MY eyes. Most other people I know love them. I have a collection of PPK’s, and their slide mounted decocker is essentially a stealth lever.
Frank Butta Wilson does a pretty low profile G conversion but it’s more involved than the Beretta option. Both have merit.
Maybe it's just because I am used to it... but I think the rear-mounted de-cocker on the HK P-series guns represents the most logical and ergonomic placement for the device. It's out of the way, can't be confused with the safety or the slide release, and almost impossible to accidentally depress. But I am now curious about the half cock and sear notch issues you described. Thanks for the great video.
I agree the P series decocker on the back of the slide is a great place for the decocker from an ergonomic standpoint.
The first pistols I ever shot had slide mounted safety/decockers. They can be a big advantage for racking the pistol done right.
On my USPs, the decocker is fine. So tell us about the new 92 variant with the frame mounted safety.
I love this guy!
Langdon is the man!
Perfect explanation. On the HK45 my thumb hits and engages the safety by accident all the time. In a defense situation, every second counts.
I know this comment is old, but you can convert hk pistols to decocker only, manual safety only, and their LEM trigger. It's just a piece of metal that you can change, look for "hk pistols variants" on google, maybe there's information on the manual of the gun.
Thank you for the information
I like M9a3 better than M17.
Personally I think the military should have just upgraded the m9. Save tax payer dollars. The guys who would actually have a chance of needing a pistol(think spec ops) already get to pick what they want.
What part of AZ are you shooting if you don’t mind me asking? Looks like an area I’d like to check out!!
Can you clarify for me if the safety lever on the 92G Elite works the same way as the px4 storm? I love the way the px4 storm safety decocks the pistol safely and was wondering if the 92G does the same.
Functionally they are the same thing. If you have a stock PX4, it may be a safety model, meaning the lever stays down and disengages the trigger. The Elite is a G model and springs back to the fire position. But they decocking part is functionally the same.
Man, this is what I've always been telling people who complain about the safety/decocker position. I can't tell you how many times I've seen garbage spewed like this "I just can't get past the slide mounted safety even the Taurus clones improved on this".
Mouth breathers.
@ Christopher Johnson You said it! In all the years I've carried and shot pistols with slide-mounted safeties, it's never been an issue. People just love to dream up problems to justify why they don't like something.
The Taurus clones are copying early Berettas with frame mounted safeties.
if it's a safety, and is going to be used as such, then it needs to be on the frame. Very few people would argue with that.
If it's a decocker only, or if the safety part is never used, then slide placement is better. I certainly have decoked guns accidentally by thumb-riding a slide mounted lever while shooting hot ammo one handed.
@ Alex N - I for one disagree. I prefer the slide mounted lever whether it's a safety or a decocker only. Walther PPK, S&W 3rd gen, or Beretta 92, I've never had an issue with any of them, and having a single uniform operating system means I don't have to retrain muscle memory when I switch guns. The worst that will happen is I'll slide my thumb past the decocker-only lever trying to disengage the safety.
@@AlexN2022 How do you ride a slide mounted decocker...? Literally doesn't make sense. If your thumb is on a SLIDE MOUNTED decocker when it goes bang, your hand is behind the slide and you're fucking up your hand. I think you meant to say you've accidentally thumbed a FRAME MOUNTED decocker, as that would logistically be possible xD
Unlike revolver, pistols can be designed in hundreds of ways. Exemple: a decocked PT92 hammer doesn't rest in the sear, but on a dedicated interceptor.
Slide mounted decockers don't allow to keep the gun cocked and locked. Americans used to love this feature (the same seen on the original Beretta 92 from the 70s).
A VIS35 has a good solution for the firing pin and that solution could be easily adapted on a slide mounted safety (make the firing pin sink on the slide, so the hammer hits the slide, not the firing pin). Some slide mounted safeties are problematic when the slide is pulled.
Pros and cons... I dont like them and both can be poorly deaigned.
I heard it was also so you could safely chamber a round with the gun being completely safe
And I don’t have to adjust my grip to actuate the lever!
Hey there Mr. Langdon I have a question for you that is unrelated to decockers. Do you run the Wilson Combat short reach trigger in your pistols? I find it's a little too short of a reach in single action as opposed to the stock trigger. Just wanted to get your take. Thanks.
Can cosign for the remark about the sig decocker being problematic for some people. I can't shoot the single stacks (p225, p239) because my support hand depresses the decocker just enough to cause consistent light strikes. Never happens on my p226 or p229. . . or my LTT Elite ;)
Great for putting one in the pipe first then safety decocker then load the clip.
I want to get one of your guns. But you do the type G decockers and I prefer the type F. There are times when I want to safety my gun and the Type F will do both, safety AND decock. Is it possible to order one with that type of safety?
Yes, the Elite LTT can be turned back into an F style safety gun. You just need swap the parts out. We have done that for a few customers.
@@LangdonTactical Sweet! Now I have to decide between the 92 and the PX4. I already have a 92 and an M9A3 and absolutely love them. And off to the range tomorrow with my daughter to test fire a PX4 again. I shall be calling you soon with an order. Thanks
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I think this insight is good and it does make sense. But I don’t think those instances would occur depending on the size of the gun fitting the person’s hand of that makes sense. I have large sized hands and I carry a CZ75 PCR which has a frame mounted decocker. I practice my grip with it and the decocker has never interfered with my hand. That being said, having a good grip and keeping it tight would highly prevent those potential problems with a frame mounted decocker. So guys, if you’re looking to carry an HK USP or a Sig P229 or a CZ75 P0-1, etc. I think these hazards are something to consider but don’t allow it to entirely influence your decision on what gun to carry.
The PCR has a great decocker location for most people, and a nice little pistol to boot. Again, the point of the video is to explain the reasons behind having the decocker on the slide. Other systems work well and work for many people.
@newbie I think the Beretta 92 has a slightly longer DA pull than say the CZ or the Sig, which both decock to the "halfcock" position.
Wow. I never found it to be a problem but now I think that decockers mounted anywhere else is stupid.
I'm from casa Grande and I'm pretty sure you are shooting at cg mountain! Any way I really appreciate your focus on double single action pistols.
I agree with everything you just said
People rarely consider your 4th reason. The thing is, i think the design was bad for a DOD pistol. for skilled shooters, it's a good design, especially considering the era. however, the majority of guys who are issued the gun aren't skilled and end up exploiting disadvantages with the gun. primarily throwing the thing on safe during slide manipulations. some have issues sweeping the safety off as well. i'm talking purely the gi guns though. i was on the marine corps shooting team as well and spent the rest of my time as a cmt/pmi. saw tons of guys on the range who refuse to learn the info and just struggle.
just purchased at 92g compact. can't wait to try it out.
Even with your hand touching the decocker, it returns the gun to double action. Still goes bang
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Love the video! Do you shoot rifle videos?!?
For me that G model is the only way to go. De-cocker only, in the spot on the slide (where it should be) - so not compromising of one's grip.
Dammit, he used what I want as my next pistol purchase, a CZ P07, as a visual example of what one DOESN’T want in a decocker haha!
The P07 is a very nice gun. I am not trying to say it is bad, I am just explaining the reasons for a slide-mounted decocker. It does not mean the other ones are bad.
@@ernestlangdon3075 I’m with you. Thanks!
Good job, no problem with this
Thank you!
I’m a fan of yours and love Berettas but nothing you spoke of was around when the 92 started production. So I have a hard time believing that Beretta was so far ahead of the game that it knew of what other pistols shortcomings would be and designed around it. I believe it was about trying to separate themselves from the 1911.
Thats right, your opinion trumps Beretta engineers. Got it.
Beretta was well over 400 years old at that point... they WERE and still ARE that far ahead of the game rofl.
Eatsoup3 That’s gotta be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.
@@douglasbrmn2 How so? Probably should've included some sorta argument in your comment...might've been more interesting than your exaggerated, cliche response. Better luck next time, fella :D
It was not a question of knowing the other pistols' shortcomings and designing around. The decocker was requested buy the Italian Police (infact it was first installed in the 92S, adopted by the Police). Beretta did put it there because they thought it was the safest and most logical place to put one.
2:08 not even fair to compare a cz p07-p09 to a Beretta. The cz is leaps and bounds ahead
Well… the only reason I won’t question is how the SOG style impacts the function of the sear, long term. When I use the SIG, unless it’s an emergency, I lower the hammer slowly. I don’t know if that changes the dynamics on the seat. But the slightly “cocked” hammer of the SIG? It’s always like that. Drop the Mohammed with your thumb on it, it’s still half cocked. Heck, drop the hammer on empty chamber: the hammer still rests at “half cock.” And as for debris… well, tell that to carriers of 1911’s and P-35’s. As for half applying the decock while firing? Ok… maybe. Haven’t ever run across that personally. But he has more experience than me, I’d guess.
Bottom line, I don’ t buy the superiority of the side mounted decocker. But I don’t dislike it, and I’d certainly use it. Heck, the whole reason I’m watching this video is I’m wanting to track down a PX4.
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All very valid points. We hope you enjoy the PX4.
If and when I get one, I hope I can find Langdon Tactical parts to upgrade it. Langdon Tactical are certainly Beretta wizards.
Love that 92x thanks for that info cause a lot of my buddies telling me that I should of gotten a pistol with a frame decocker I just said to them fuck off!!
Decocked and loaded is the best way to IWB carry for DA/SA. : )
Still not a fan but I understand mechanically why it’s there now. Thank you!
Slide mounted decocker makes sense. Slide mounted safety does not. I don't know why Beretta keeps pushing the safety DA/SA as the default instead of decocker only.
Yes the Sig deckocker is more convenient, but as he said, it's far less effective.
Far more fun too! My Px4 just drops that hammer down all fast n shit, BO-RING. The Sig is all, CLIK-CLACK! If I was basing my carry choice on decocker fun-times solely, Sig wins 10/10....so satisfying.
Good argument for that.
they should still discontinue all type f berettas and selll type G ONLY
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I wish Ernest was my dad. But not Hickok in my family.
People who complain about the slide mounted safety just suck with firearms. I never not once accidentally hit the lever. Stop crying and get good.
I still hate the safety on the slide!
C'mon now
Funny how the Baretta M9 chocked when it was put through the Gauntlet Test on the Military Arms Channel, while the likes of the CZ P-07 passed with flying colors with their frame mounted decockers.
We understand that you’re selling product, but let it not be through other firearms accounts.
Well, first of all, I never said any of the other designs are bad. I am a fan of many of the other guns as well. I am just pointing out the reasons for the slide mounted safety/de-cocking system. Second, the "Gauntlet Test" is for entertainment purposes only, even according to its own standards and description on its own channel. And it does a good job of that, "entertainment". That "test" does not meet standards for military testing or scientific testing by anyone's standards, not even to the owner of the channel. Guns that have passed many other military testing standards for sand, dirt, and mud have not passed the "Gauntlet Test" including the Beretta M9 and many others.
There is really someone that takes the gauntlet test seriously? What statistical significance you think can have a test done on a single sample of the gun, with the conditions (IE the composition of the mud, the way the gun is covered of it by hand...) changing for every one of them?
Take five samples for every gun, throw them in the same cement mixer full of the same sand/mud and test every one of them, and you'll have something significative (not really for civilian or military use, but since there are many people thinking they'll land in some swamp, dragging their pistol in the mud with a rope instead of holstering it, first to have to use it...).
You quoted other firearm manufacturer designs and portrayed them as inferior when compared to your preferred design.
Yes, the Gauntlet Tests aren't scientific and are just done for solemnly entertainment, but they happen to prove the theory contained in this video otherwise.
How can a "not scientific test" prove something? We have to believe that the gauntlet test "proved" that the SIG P226 fails miserably every time it sees sand? It simply happened to THAT gun.
I never said they were "inferior". I simply used them as examples. The point of the video is to explain why the slide mounted de-cocker works and why it is used. Some people complain about the slide mounted de-cocking system for various reasons, I am simply explaining why it is used and what the advantages are.
No safety's, no decockers, always carry with empty chamber
so my 1911 that i carried for the last 40 years is all wrong? when the Corps took my 1911 and gave me the M9, I simply could not make it work. swapped the M9 base plates to my Sig226 mags and had 0, NO performance problems, when I could sneak the 1911 in that what I carried.
Yes you are a great shooter. How much does Beretta pay you?
What do magazine base plates or 1911 have to do with this video? I am talking about decocking levers and their location on a DA/SA pistol. I did not bash on your beloved 1911 or even mention it in the video. 1911s do not have a decocker. What is your point?
Are you saying you ran Sig 226 magazines in your M9?
Clearly you show history of refusing to listen to what people teach/inform you. Watch the video.
That there sounds like some bull shit