I think most 92fs owners "fear the double action shot" and have a relatively poor double action shot, mainly because they are using the factory trigger/hammer spring which has a shockingly high trigger weight (something like 11-13lbs.). The great news is: That huge trigger weight issue can be remedied by replacing the hammer spring (great partial improvement) or installing the 'Trigger Job in a Bag - 92/96/M9 Series' by Langdon Tactical (full improvement). [I have no affiliation with Langton Tactical, but merely appreciate what they offer.] Thank you, Mr. Langdon, for everything you do!
Very worthwhile series. I’m issued a sig p220 by my department and these techniques make the double action trigger seem more like an advantage than a disadvantage. Thanks for posting.
Good stuff, I am totally in love with the DA/SA PX4cc, and I'm sure I'll love it even more when I get my PX4cc slide back from you with the EPS RDO cut. I'm checking every day, thanks LTT!
Like your videos. You are a gifted athlete. I have a love/hate relation with the Beretta 92. Shot it at the Far East Division Matches in Okinawa, Japan, in 1992 (A/1/7). Very accurate and dependable pistol. Large for a 9mm. Did very well, nonetheless. Had magazine problems in Desert Storm. Traded mine for a 1911. There were a bunch of OLD Warrant Officers at the matches. One of the guys was a PFC at the battle for Hue in Vietnam. Very interesting talk after hours. Damn, those guys could shoot. Good video. Cheers
For this FNP 9 shooter, you have illuminated and demonstrated some really important insights in this series. I'm checking out your training schedule for NorCal right now. Thank you! I stumbled across another vid on finger placement for the first DA shot a while ago --- "Handgun Trigger Pull, Trigger Control - A Different Look at the Subject," by FortuneCookie45LC.
Ernest, l really enjoyed you shooting insight and purchased a PX4 Compact a few weeks ago. I have had a bit of a learning curve with the DA trigger not having fired one in quite a while. Much different than my XD, but believe that having fired it has made me a better and more thoughtful shooter, your videos helped as well. Bob C.
1:06 a third option is staging to very close to the break, then smoothly pulling to rear with proper technique (as opposed to the “now” trigger pull). Is that not a valid option?
Okay Earnest, hope you still review these comments and reply…at what point during the presentation to the target do you begin your trigger press with a DA?? Thank you sir!
You just re-affirmed my finger placement on the trigger. I use my first joint to get good leverage and consistent pull. As a result, my DA shot placement is improving. Thanks.
I have tried the "tip of the finger on the trigger", and the "first joint on the trigger", and i cant really find any real advantage with either of them. I guess it is easier with less training to get the finger at the first joint on the finger and break a clean first shot, but what with the follow-ups? I find myself shooting more accurately with the tip of the finger on the trigger, at all times because of the single-action follow ups. But i am a student of the gun, and you know more than me - just curious about your thoughts of it. :) Great videos you have also!
Hi, Ernest If you use your first finger joint for the DA pull, do you go back to your finger pad after that for all the single action pulls? Would you recommend this technique in competition also?
Rob edwards I cannot say what would work for you. I normally do not shift my finger placement between DA and SA. Everyone's hands are different and finger placement can be different for you hand and your gun.
Ok , thanks Curious, what type of changes do you make to your Beretta for competition? What's your DA/SA pull weight? Do you change your recoil spring for competition loads or leave it stock?
Rob edwards I change the sights, and do trigger work. All the other stuff on my guns are factory parts. I have been running a 11.5 pound recoil spring from Wilson Combat. I have run as light as 10 lbs recoil springs with really light competition loads.
hello Ernest Langdon. i shoot with a beretta 98 fs. i've been shooting for about half a year and atm i'm trying to master that first DA shot. i was wondering wich modifications have you made to your 92fs (beyond the skeletonized hammer), since your DA trigger pull looks extremely light. certainly it's because of your motor memory and because of your skill, but the weight you need to pull that DA trigger seems really really lighten. thank you for these videos, i really find them enlightening. appearently everybody shoots with glocks at the moment, and it's good to find a master of DA/SA guns. greetings from italy
Just got a beretta wilson 92g brig tac and trying to learn the da pull. beretta says not to dry fire without snap cap. i see you dry firing in this video. Are you using snap caps or are you not concerned with breaking your firing pin? Thanks, Torrey
torreyintahoe I have never used snap caps in my Beretta 92. I don't know anyone who does. I do replace the firing pin every 10,000 rounds or so to make sure I don't have any issues there.
Once you have mastered the double action, in particular a not great heavy one (a stock USP 45 [but good lord there's much worse] did the the trick for me) you will be absolutely have the ability to master any other trigger out there, handgun or long arm much more easily. You will also become a better shooter overall because of the necessity of of greater overall hand strength and dexterity to master it anyway. I'm not sure how it was for others but it was a struggle for a while and then one day it clicked, it's a totally smooth unending action and I am not concerned about any muscular action besides bringing the trigger to the rear. Of course it has wider application too, but it can be trouble if it isn't some kind of art of arms. I've broken something I sincerely did not mean to and been told my handshake is a deathgrip. Woops. Oh well.
mr langdon, great vids now a question maybe a little off topic. how long, how many rounds can you expect from a new beretta 9 like yours, before something breaks or you have some kinda major failure?
So many of my Beretta 92s have well over 40K through them with no major part replacements. I normally replace the locking block at 20K and most of the springs every 10k.
cool, kinda like preventative maintenance. i just wonder if after so many rounds the barrel might become suceptable to metal fatigue and have a greater chance of bursting
That is why he replaces the locking blocks at 20K rounds. Sig recommended a new block and maybe a bbl at 20K for my Sig Sauers. I just replaced my P229R with the Langdon Special Edition PX4 Storm compact carry. They only imported 1000 of the Beretta Compact Carry PX4s, and at least 20 or 30 will go to reviewers, like gun magazines, and TV shows. It's pretty nice, and it feels like it's already broken in right out of the box. No extra anything to chamber a round and slowly let it slide into battery, unlike most guns.
What is your double action pull weight? Curious, because I'm thinking about purchasing a Berretta 92 for competition. I like a smooth double action 6-8 pounds. Is this achievable with action work on the 92? Do you know when Berretta plans on releasing the new 92 Vertec? Thanks for taking the time to answering my questions.
I don't have enough finger length to get my finger onto the trigger up to my first knuckle while still maintaining a proper firing grip. Otherwise its perfect advice.
Well I disagree with you on staging the trigger. I will agree that a new shooter shouldn't but a seasoned shooter I think is general practice to stage your double action. I was taught by my instructor in the military and 20 years later I still practice staging the trigger.
What benefit do you reap from staging the trigger instead of a smooth constant pull? I don't know about your military instructor of 20 years past, but safe to say, he's not on the same level as Ernest. Actually, after following Earnest's tips I'm more accurate with that first DA shot.
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6 years later still a super helpful video.
Watching this in 2022 and it's still super helpful
I think most 92fs owners "fear the double action shot" and have a relatively poor double action shot, mainly because they are using the factory trigger/hammer spring which has a shockingly high trigger weight (something like 11-13lbs.). The great news is: That huge trigger weight issue can be remedied by replacing the hammer spring (great partial improvement) or installing the 'Trigger Job in a Bag - 92/96/M9 Series' by Langdon Tactical (full improvement). [I have no affiliation with Langton Tactical, but merely appreciate what they offer.] Thank you, Mr. Langdon, for everything you do!
I'm totally victim of the second mistake. Really turned my shooting around with the 92fs after watching this. Thank you, Sir.
+Andy McDonald Thank you sir, I am always glad to hear my videos are helping someone. Stick with it and it will become second nature to you.
Very worthwhile series. I’m issued a sig p220 by my department and these techniques make the double action trigger seem more like an advantage than a disadvantage. Thanks for posting.
nice, just bought a 92fs and a full size px4 storm today thanks
Good stuff, I am totally in love with the DA/SA PX4cc, and I'm sure I'll love it even more when I get my PX4cc slide back from you with the EPS RDO cut. I'm checking every day, thanks LTT!
Thanks for the tips and video! Look forward to more.
Like your videos. You are a gifted athlete. I have a love/hate relation with the Beretta 92. Shot it at the Far East Division Matches in Okinawa, Japan, in 1992 (A/1/7). Very accurate and dependable pistol. Large for a 9mm. Did very well, nonetheless. Had magazine problems in Desert Storm. Traded mine for a 1911. There were a bunch of OLD Warrant Officers at the matches. One of the guys was a PFC at the battle for Hue in Vietnam. Very interesting talk after hours. Damn, those guys could shoot. Good video. Cheers
Ray Thompson I love 1911s as well, just keeping them running takes more work than my Beretta's do.
I've found breaking the gun in also helps. a smooth double action is quite nice versus tight.
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Yeah, this video is great and greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Thank you!
For this FNP 9 shooter, you have illuminated and demonstrated some really important insights in this series. I'm checking out your training schedule for NorCal right now. Thank you!
I stumbled across another vid on finger placement for the first DA shot a while ago --- "Handgun Trigger Pull, Trigger Control - A Different Look at the Subject," by FortuneCookie45LC.
Great video. I was lucky to find a 2004 sig 220st Langdon edition recently. Very nice pistol.
Ernest, l really enjoyed you shooting insight and purchased a PX4 Compact a few weeks ago. I have had a bit of a learning curve with the DA trigger not having fired one in quite a while. Much different than my XD, but believe that having fired it has made me a better and more thoughtful shooter, your videos helped as well.
Bob C.
1:06 a third option is staging to very close to the break, then smoothly pulling to rear with proper technique (as opposed to the “now” trigger pull). Is that not a valid option?
Amazing video
Thanks for the information/video Ernie
Okay Earnest, hope you still review these comments and reply…at what point during the presentation to the target do you begin your trigger press with a DA?? Thank you sir!
Simple good advice. 👍
I want to take one of your classes next time both of us are in VA.
You just re-affirmed my finger placement on the trigger. I use my first joint to get good leverage and consistent pull. As a result, my DA shot placement is improving. Thanks.
i carry 2 84 FS in gold chrome for job. plus toothpick and shades for sure
Ive heard the same advise from larry vickers. Its helped me a ton with my cz's
I have tried the "tip of the finger on the trigger", and the "first joint on the trigger", and i cant really find any real advantage with either of them. I guess it is easier with less training to get the finger at the first joint on the finger and break a clean first shot, but what with the follow-ups? I find myself shooting more accurately with the tip of the finger on the trigger, at all times because of the single-action follow ups.
But i am a student of the gun, and you know more than me - just curious about your thoughts of it. :)
Great videos you have also!
Nevermind, just saw part 2. :)
Thanks man I carry the 92FS on the job
Great tips !! Thanks
Hi, Ernest
If you use your first finger joint for the DA pull, do you go back to your finger pad after that for all the single action pulls? Would you recommend this technique in competition also?
Rob edwards I cannot say what would work for you. I normally do not shift my finger placement between DA and SA. Everyone's hands are different and finger placement can be different for you hand and your gun.
Ok , thanks
Curious, what type of changes do you make to your Beretta for competition?
What's your DA/SA pull weight?
Do you change your recoil spring for competition loads or leave it stock?
Rob edwards I change the sights, and do trigger work. All the other stuff on my guns are factory parts. I have been running a 11.5 pound recoil spring from Wilson Combat. I have run as light as 10 lbs recoil springs with really light competition loads.
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👍👍👍👍Very useful explanation
Thanks, I will practice with my M9A3 9MM
hello Ernest Langdon.
i shoot with a beretta 98 fs. i've been shooting for about half a year and atm i'm trying to master that first DA shot. i was wondering wich modifications have you made to your 92fs (beyond the skeletonized hammer), since your DA trigger pull looks extremely light. certainly it's because of your motor memory and because of your skill, but the weight you need to pull that DA trigger seems really really lighten. thank you for these videos, i really find them enlightening. appearently everybody shoots with glocks at the moment, and it's good to find a master of DA/SA guns.
greetings from italy
Just got a beretta wilson 92g brig tac and trying to learn the da pull. beretta says not to dry fire without snap cap. i see you dry firing in this video. Are you using snap caps or are you not concerned with breaking your firing pin? Thanks, Torrey
torreyintahoe I have never used snap caps in my Beretta 92. I don't know anyone who does. I do replace the firing pin every 10,000 rounds or so to make sure I don't have any issues there.
Are these deeply held trade secrets or can you come off of some suggestions on things you may change about a stock 92fs?
Once you have mastered the double action, in particular a not great heavy one (a stock USP 45 [but good lord there's much worse] did the the trick for me) you will be absolutely have the ability to master any other trigger out there, handgun or long arm much more easily. You will also become a better shooter overall because of the necessity of of greater overall hand strength and dexterity to master it anyway. I'm not sure how it was for others but it was a struggle for a while and then one day it clicked, it's a totally smooth unending action and I am not concerned about any muscular action besides bringing the trigger to the rear. Of course it has wider application too, but it can be trouble if it isn't some kind of art of arms. I've broken something I sincerely did not mean to and been told my handshake is a deathgrip. Woops. Oh well.
Many thanks on this video
This is what I need getting away from Glock to Beretta!
mr langdon, great vids now a question maybe a little off topic. how long, how many rounds can you expect from a new beretta 9 like yours, before something breaks or you have some kinda major failure?
So many of my Beretta 92s have well over 40K through them with no major part replacements. I normally replace the locking block at 20K and most of the springs every 10k.
cool, kinda like preventative maintenance. i just wonder if after so many rounds the barrel might become suceptable to metal fatigue and have a greater chance of bursting
That is why he replaces the locking blocks at 20K rounds. Sig recommended a new block and maybe a bbl at 20K for my Sig Sauers. I just replaced my P229R with the Langdon Special Edition PX4 Storm compact carry. They only imported 1000 of the Beretta Compact Carry PX4s, and at least 20 or 30 will go to reviewers, like gun magazines, and TV shows. It's pretty nice, and it feels like it's already broken in right out of the box. No extra anything to chamber a round and slowly let it slide into battery, unlike most guns.
Good info!
Kids over striker fired, it doesn't require as much learning it practice. Also why driving a manual transmission is becoming a lost art
What is your double action pull weight? Curious, because I'm thinking about purchasing a Berretta 92 for competition. I like a smooth double action 6-8 pounds. Is this achievable with action work on the 92?
Do you know when Berretta plans on releasing the new 92 Vertec?
Thanks for taking the time to answering my questions.
Yes, a smooth 7 lbs is easy. You can go to about 5.5 lbs if you want to use federal and winchester primers all the time.
Hi, Ernest
What sights are you using?
That gun has Dawson FO front with a Wilson Combat rear.
Thanks for the response.
+Ernest Langdon Would you agree that when you push forward to aim, you begin your trigger pull. I shoot with a 8lb trigger DAO.
What holster is that?
+P.A.R.A. Utah Training
That is a CompTac holster.
I don't have enough finger length to get my finger onto the trigger up to my first knuckle while still maintaining a proper firing grip. Otherwise its perfect advice.
U look like wonder boy
Well I disagree with you on staging the trigger. I will agree that a new shooter shouldn't but a seasoned shooter I think is general practice to stage your double action. I was taught by my instructor in the military and 20 years later I still practice staging the trigger.
What benefit do you reap from staging the trigger instead of a smooth constant pull? I don't know about your military instructor of 20 years past, but safe to say, he's not on the same level as Ernest. Actually, after following Earnest's tips I'm more accurate with that first DA shot.