Hey!! Why does collet get stuck in the sleeve? Same program. Same setup. Same bar. Same part. Collet that made around 50k parts got stuck in 150-200 cycles. Whereas a brand new collet got stuck in first 600 cycles! Can something be wrong with the Sleeve itself? Or may be too much of feed force?🤔🤔
Maybe a dumb question but... is that coolant a mineral base coolant? Do you have to use a mineral base coolant with Swiss lathes? Why not full synthetic?
Hi John, Its cool to see your company is getting bigger with best quality machines I remember the time with only Tormach machines now is totally different level ;)
great to see you guys doing so well! Been watching you for years now! Nice to see a great maker who is just around the corner from me.! Keep up the great work.
Welcome to the swiss world! Pretty awesome little machines. Didn't know Tornos existed until you guys bought one. I use Star, but those Tornos look well made. If you ever get another, FMB Turbo bar feeders are the way to go.
Nice machine it reminds me of all the stars I get to run at work on your part catcher we use a stainless box with open top weld a fitting on the bottom and run plastic line back to oil so it can return and put a metal mesh in bottom for the parts to catch in can't wait to see more
Once you have the tools set the way you want them, use a depth mic or calipers to measure the stick out from the tool slide and record this on a setup sheet. This makes replacing a broken tool much easier and will prevent crashes after tool replacement.
John, you NEED to start looking for a bigger place -- working as tight as you are isn't good. I'd recommend getting a place a good bit bigger than the shop needs so you have room to grow. Also, in the idle space you might open a store front for direct sales. And, don't use a garbage can to collect the oil from the parts conveyor output as that's a fire hazard.
You should check out oil only sorbent pads. Basically paper towels that only soak up oil and not water. Would help out in cleaning things in certain situations.
When I ran Swiss I learnt that it was you could always make the part faster running in GB mode compared with non GB mode due to been able to run the spindle much faster
John very cool set up . When your making those dowel pins is that stainless your turning or another metal like A2 , 4041 ? That leaves that shining finish .
Do you program the main spindle op and the sub spindle op separately and use codes to link the two, or do you have to write one program that runs all the axes on both spindles simultaneously?
The oil is literally the only thing I don't miss about running swiss. If you think the oil is bad now, wait until you start thinking about it being time to replace it. God help you if you get sprayed. Nasty!
Complaining about the oil is useless. That is one of the reason these machines can run flat out for 20 yrs and still be as tight as the day it was first put into service. Kern mill or lathe is the same story. Besides that, once all your parts have been proofed, the only other time you'll have to deal with the oil is when changing out tools or adjusting setups. The liquid glove idea is great and has been around for decades. Can't wait for the next vid on your Tornos.
Must be pretty stressful spending a boat load on a new machine and pushing yourself to learn it and get it producing so it starts paying for its self .. think id be super anxious about crashing it ..still once you get the flow its gonna make life much easier
Your shop is too small! You have some fantastic machines in there but the space isn't following suit. Erin basically works in a bigger cabinet and the other guys... well, they can barely turn without hitting anything. And it does look unprofessional, working in such a cramped environment. Really, rent something with more space. Doesn't have to be as big as the shop from John Saunders but yours is looking like the basement of an 80 year-old hunter-gatherer.
Hey!!
Why does collet get stuck in the sleeve?
Same program.
Same setup.
Same bar.
Same part.
Collet that made around 50k parts got stuck in 150-200 cycles.
Whereas a brand new collet got stuck in first 600 cycles!
Can something be wrong with the Sleeve itself?
Or may be too much of feed force?🤔🤔
Protip when running a swiss, use nitrile gloves when doing setup. We use a electronic cleaner for removing oil from the part to inspect.
Maybe a dumb question but... is that coolant a mineral base coolant? Do you have to use a mineral base coolant with Swiss lathes? Why not full synthetic?
@@SirRootes no clue im a mill guy so i have no idea if its synthetic or not, all i know its clean oil we run
Hi John,
Its cool to see your company is getting bigger with best quality machines I remember the time with only Tormach machines now is totally different level ;)
great to see you guys doing so well! Been watching you for years now! Nice to see a great maker who is just around the corner from me.! Keep up the great work.
Welcome to the swiss world! Pretty awesome little machines. Didn't know Tornos existed until you guys bought one. I use Star, but those Tornos look well made. If you ever get another, FMB Turbo bar feeders are the way to go.
I still remember garage videos with DIY CNC machine @JohnGrimsmo
Great progress!!!
Thank you for sharing these videos. Super exciting.
Yaay!! Parts!!
try sandvik QS , it let you change inserts out of the machine without losing you zero and have high pressure line
Nice machine it reminds me of all the stars I get to run at work on your part catcher we use a stainless box with open top weld a fitting on the bottom and run plastic line back to oil so it can return and put a metal mesh in bottom for the parts to catch in can't wait to see more
Keep towels around and soap and lotion you will wash your hands a lot get some pigmat to dry up oil fast if there's spill if you don't have any
If you have a few questions and I can help let me know
@6:00 Is that 6 inch CANADIAN bar feeder? that is some long inches! *keh keh keh keh* :D Awesome machine John!
The swiss was a long time coming but man the swiss is sweet for all the small intricate parts
Once you have the tools set the way you want them, use a depth mic or calipers to measure the stick out from the tool slide and record this on a setup sheet. This makes replacing a broken tool much easier and will prevent crashes after tool replacement.
Enjoy that GREAT and very precise machine it is a real good tool. Thank you for sharing it. Lance & Patrick.
John, you NEED to start looking for a bigger place -- working as tight as you are isn't good. I'd recommend getting a place a good bit bigger than the shop needs so you have room to grow. Also, in the idle space you might open a store front for direct sales. And, don't use a garbage can to collect the oil from the parts conveyor output as that's a fire hazard.
So this needs ground bar stock?
You should check out oil only sorbent pads. Basically paper towels that only soak up oil and not water. Would help out in cleaning things in certain situations.
I don't know if somebody has already said this ,but you could use hand covering and long arm gloves. To keep the oil off of your head and arms.
We need more Swiss lathe videos!! Its like different planet (other then mill)
The barfeeder looks so much bigger than 6 inches. WOW
When I ran Swiss I learnt that it was you could always make the part faster running in GB mode compared with non GB mode due to been able to run the spindle much faster
Get your self some PR88 liquid glove the stuff is amazing
That's really cool thanks for sharing. One day I hope to own one of your knifes. Have a great week guys. God bless
What coolant are you using?
John very cool set up . When your making those dowel pins is that stainless your turning or another metal like A2 , 4041 ? That leaves that shining finish .
I think he said its 303 stainless
@@194Jared Thank You . That would make since for the finish . Harder on the cutters stainless being hard.
What coolant are you using
When a T1000 does the training, you better listen ! 😂
Are you getting an ultrasonic cleaner for oily parts?
I used to run 5 Swiss machines and we would just type the bar DIA to set tools
6:00 "We bought a *6 inch* LNS..." :p
Do you not wear safety glasses in your shop?
i know how you feel ,iv used many cnc grinders that run neat oil ,all i can say is get gloves and barrier cream
The most important and creative thing in your shop is coffe cup catcher nice man continue ❤😉
Didn't you say you were going to be running coolant not oil? (On one of the previous videos about the Tornos.)
Do you program the main spindle op and the sub spindle op separately and use codes to link the two, or do you have to write one program that runs all the axes on both spindles simultaneously?
Both heads have separate channels and are running seperate programs. You can see two individual programs at 6:50 (Path1 and Path2).
The oil is literally the only thing I don't miss about running swiss. If you think the oil is bad now, wait until you start thinking about it being time to replace it. God help you if you get sprayed. Nasty!
Complaining about the oil is useless. That is one of the reason these machines can run flat out for 20 yrs and still be as tight as the day it was first put into service. Kern mill or lathe is the same story. Besides that, once all your parts have been proofed, the only other time you'll have to deal with the oil is when changing out tools or adjusting setups. The liquid glove idea is great and has been around for decades. Can't wait for the next vid on your Tornos.
Ive seen 1 year old Tsugamis running water coolant look like its been abused for 15 years...
What do you do with the oil that gets carried out on the parts? Can it be put back in the machine? Great video 👍🏻
9:47
Finally the video :)
Is the price point of the swiss higher or lower than your NAK?
I think he said in the podcast it's +/- 10% of the Nak.
To give you an idea similar size machine in the UK but high spec and made by star is £120k
Whole lot of learning to do there
Ditch the paper towels and just use shop rags (but beware of the fire hazard).
who in the actual hell would dislike this video? smh
ghetto mc'd part catcher for the win!
Start hammering out those pens ,lol
makes me not regret running coolant in all my swiss's
Must be pretty stressful spending a boat load on a new machine and pushing yourself to learn it and get it producing so it starts paying for its self .. think id be super anxious about crashing it ..still once you get the flow its gonna make life much easier
Time to get a shop rag service..
Why don't you just 3d print something? For the parts catcher
Those are some expensive dowels you're making there.
3D print a parts catcher for the machine.
Just switch it over to water soluble coolant.
Wear gloves ... or as soon as you stop work for a week your skin will peel off
Your shop is too small! You have some fantastic machines in there but the space isn't following suit. Erin basically works in a bigger cabinet and the other guys... well, they can barely turn without hitting anything. And it does look unprofessional, working in such a cramped environment.
Really, rent something with more space. Doesn't have to be as big as the shop from John Saunders but yours is looking like the basement of an 80 year-old hunter-gatherer.
Just heard in your podcast that you signed up for a Kern machine (congrats!). So I guess you are already thinking about the space issue yourselves.