Does This Band Have a Doom Song? (w/Martin Popoff)
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Join Pete Pardo & Martin Popoff as they discuss some surprising bands who had a doom song (or two) but their regular style was anything but doom, or in many cases even heavy metal.
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'I want you(she's so heavy). THE pre-doom riff. That outro is monstrous. 'We're going Wrong' by Cream is a close second.
you mean sunshine of your love
You stole my thunder twice! Great pics
@@patrickmohan2220 We're Going Wrong has no riff though. Just quite chords
@@MetalPersonJ who cares anyway? *we're going wrong* did what pink floyd did later on in *meddle* !
I'm not that far in but is 'she's so heavy" not on their list?? If so that's a massive oversight.
First song that comes to mind: Rush-Witch Hunt. It's got an eerie mood and the right lyrics.
Queen-Son and Daughter, Deep Purple-Into the Fire, Spooky Tooth-Evil Woman, Golden Earring-Everyday's Torture.
Excellent shout with "Son and Daughter" you could also add the solo from "Father to Son" if I could have included "Tie Your Mother Down" we'd have the whole family covered 🤣🤣🤣
Death Walks Behind you - Atomic Rooster (great song)
They also have "Friday the 13th" and several others, can't remember the names...
scorpions animal magnetism
Good pick! That droning, monotonous buzzsaw vibe that riff has! It's so creepy! "Living and Dying" was pretty much a doom song from them as well.
@@williamwalker146 Not to mention The Zoo.
@@ledzeplover58 Idk. "The Zoo" is very dark but has some melodic portions too which might undermine it in that particular way a little bit.
I've always felt the outro of "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" by The Beatles was very doomy and that's pre-Black Sabbath
Iron Butterfly…Iron Butterfly Theme
Led Zeppelin…No Quarter
Dust…From a Dry Camel
The Doors…Waiting For The Sun
Sir Lord Baltimore….Kingdom Come
Beatles…I Am The Walrus(Spooky Tooth version even doomier).
Blue Oyster Cult…Flaming Telepaths
Blue Oyster Cult….Veterans of Psychic Wars
Doors…Waiting For The Sun
Iron Claw…Skullcrusher
King Crimson Red
Sweet…Cockroach
Lucifer’s Friend….Toxic Shadows
Queen…Prophets Song
Deep Purple….Perfect Strangers
Suicidal Man….Uriah Heep
4th of July by Soundgarden. Amazing
They have quite a few doomy songs..
@@olivia666x sound garden is basically a doom band so they wouldn’t fit
@@thekivster they’re my fave band and i would consider two or three of their albums metal, but lots of metal fans think they’re just a depressing slow non heavy grunge band 🤷🏻 superunknown is probably their closest thing to a doom album but there’s still stuff on there like spoonman which i’d just call hard rock
Deep Purple's "doom song" would be "Fools" from the Fireball album. Read Gillan's lyrics, listen to Blackmore's melancholy volume swell (cello-effect) solo. In B minor and a slow tempo. Heavy feel. No doubt it is very doomy.
"Jury" by Trapeze (It was heavy enough for Cirith Ungol to do a rewrite of it called "Finger of Scorn")
"The Nile Song" by Pink Floyd (Heaviest song they ever did and David Gilmour's vocals absolutely fall under "doom")
"Tora! Tora!" by Van Halen
The very first one I thought of on this topic was 'Evil Walks' by AC/DC. Nothing like they've ever done and one of the most evil guitar riffs ever in standard tuning.
Love that song and that album.
I love Dooom
A couple I would throw out are Judas Priest-Here Come the Tears, Yes-Machine Messiah, Beatles-I want you she's so heavy, Led Zeppelin-Dazed and Confused, Van Der Graaf Generator-A lot of songs, Jethro Tull-My God.
Some heavier picks: Metallica-The Thing that Should Not Be, Morbid Angel-God of Emptiness, Cannibal Corpse-Gallery of Suicide
Could you elaborate on some of the Van Der Graaf Generator songs? "A lot of songs" is not that all that helpful.
@@williamwalker146 I couldn't pick one song because Van Der Graaf Generator just have a generally doomy vibe to me.
Boris the Spider- The Who
Asylum- Supertramp
The Ox. From the 1st WHO album
@@jimfritz2087 the track is from their second album „A Quick one“.
The Doors : The End
It's doomy without being heavy, and it beats In a Gadda da Vida by a year.
When The Music's Over?
Pretty heavy/doomy.
Son and Daughter Queen..
Talking about ELO, the song 'In Old England Town' may also qualify. It also has doomy lyrics. I'm sure there will also be something doomy in The Move catalogue if I go looking...
Quartz - Mainline Riders
Politician from Cream came to mind…; sounds like a precursor to Round and Round (Whitford riff)
I'm sure there are quite a few if I really thought about it but here are a couple that came to mind. Gravy Train (Dedication to Sid)1970, Mountain (Tired Angels) 1971, Mr. Albert Show (Electronic Baby) 1971, Stark Naked (All of them Witches) 1971.
I always thought The Ballad of TV Violence from Cheap Trick's debut had a doomy feel too, Martin. Fun episode guys.
what a fun and creative episode. Love it
Free - Moonshine. It's not superficially HEAVY, but it just has a doomy vibe, and combined with the 'Tons of Sobs' album cover...
Aerosmith’s Kings and Queens is pretty doom-laden I think, also the Cars’ Moving in Stereo
Kings and Queens is a very good choice! I'd also include in Aerosmith's doomy spectre Nobody's Fault, Voodoo Medicine Man and The Farm.
The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Sticky
Under such criteria, AC/DC does have some Doom feel to a few of their songs. Like the chorus of Walk All Over You and Evil Walks. Mostlikely bcuc of their Heavy Blues orientation. And Exciter's Iron Dogs and Blackwitch.
1983... by Hendrix has vibes in a doom direction, I would say. When KISS was mentioned, the first song that came to mind was Strange Ways. If you take the BBC version of Cream's Outside Woman Blues, that has hints of Doom, easy to imagine someone like Crowbar slowing and tuning it down for total Doom majesty.
Superb pick with "She Shook Me Cold" from The Man Who Sold the World Martin, it's certainly Bowies heaviest album and Mick Ronson really lets rip on here.
"Land Of a Thousand Nights"...Mahogany Rush (1975)
I feel this is an epic pre-doom from 1975. Very dissonant, foreboding, menacing, and sonically amazing for the time. Frank has mentioned that he was using drop tunings starting in 1968. I don't know if this song has the drop tunings, but I feel this song would stand on its own without the voice and studio effects by the way the guitar leads are layered.
Other ones that Frank Marino has done that are very foreboding and epic with great lyrics.
"Free"
"Requiem For A Sinner"
From Kiss, I would have picked Mr Blackwell and Under the Rose (from Music from the Elder), those are dark heavy tracks.
What about watching you or she ?
Great pod. These pods have caused me some £ pain as sent me down lots of rabbit holes. Re Chicago - they never really had any impact on me / hadn't heard much of them - the result of these programmes / have bought V through XI on vinyl (I like this period) - and am glad I did (plus they are still really cheap - under $10 for a clean VG+ copy). Ended up buying 3/400 LP's the last couple of years just off of what I have heard on SoT (I really do not need any more records - 20,000 +++ )😅😅. Great stuff - keep up the good work.
Everyday’s Torture - Golden Earring. And totally The Beatles - I Want You (She’s So Heavy)
Rudy - Supertramp. That riff that comes out of nowhere halfway through the song.
Earth and Fire - Storm and Thunder (1971)
Honorable mention ahead, I'd say Metallica surely has one with something like Inamorata off the new album, it's very doom-adjacent imo.
Another one I'd suggest is Slipknot, I'd put Iowa and Gently as Doom-adjacent songs
Of all your shows, you and Martin are my favorite.
Really liked the catalogue ranking shows and hope they’ll be back. Love to see 80’s Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Motörhead go at it, interested in how Pete and Martin would call it.
For a doom song by a non doom act, I’d recommend “Baby Come and Get It” by the Pointer Sisters. Has some metallic leads in the middle of it.
Fishbone, which is essentially a ska band, coming out with Servitude in 93'
Fantastic 4 issue #5.... 1st appearance of Dr. Doom.
How about "Effigy" by Credence Clearwater Revival. Slow, plodding and haunting. Killer heavy tune without the need of distorted guitar. And of course "Red Scab" by Adam and the Antz. Very catchy, very weird and dark. All elements vital to any great Doom song.
Just a few
Hey Hey, My My(Into The Black) - Neil Young
Evil Woman - Spooky Tooth
Cities On Flame With Rock & Roll - Blue Oyster Cult
Not Fragile - Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Frankenstein - Edgar Winter
"Frankenstein" isn't doomy at all.
Hey hey, My My is not a doomy Riff to me.
BOC has a lot of doomy sounding songs, which is why I am surprised they weren't mentioned. Godzilla doesn't have a doomy sound?
Frank Zappa - The Torture Never Stops from Zoot Allures.
Nailed it! And also "Filthy Habits"
The entire catalogue of Dio from lock up the wolves and on with the exception of killing the dragon is doom
The Barbarian is the real doom song from ELP
@@FURDOG1961 who knew that ELP would make such a stoner type song in 1970 and it doesn’t even have guitar
I think 5 Finger Death Punch covered the song Bad Company
Cinnamon Girl by Neil Young and Crazy Horse, later covered by Type O Negative.
Glass Hammer has three recent albums that reach into doom territory. Before that, though, they had a song called "I Am I" that has an amazing doom riff a couple of times. I like the contrast of the doom with the brighter sections.
Image - Witchcraft 71
Gillan - Bluesy Blue Sea
Exciter - Shadow Of The Cross
T. Rex - Children Of The Revolution
Iron Maiden - Fortunes of War
Scorpions - China White
Pungent Stench - And Only Hunger Remains
Great show! First song I thought of was Nazareth's "The Ballad of Hollis Brown". That's 9 minutes of sludgy doom made in 1973.
U2's "Bullet the Blue Sky". Their best song is the darkest one they've ever done.
Dark for sure but not really doomy to me.
Bloodrock "D.O.A."
from Bloodrock 2..... Total creepiness and doom and it was a Top 40 hit in the early seventies.
It's totally creepy, but that song doesn't really much of any guitar in it to make a doom song.
@@williamwalker146 true but the ominous feeling of Doom and death permiate that song....and the keyboard riff and the beggining sets the tone for what's to come....
@@AlVal57-fs5ib You're right. I suppose I would consider it an outlier though. Like mellow or atmospheric doom.
The earliest clear doom song I can think of is "Street Singer" by Clear Light, from 1967.
Ones not been mentioned:
# Righteous Glory - Manowar
# Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss
# Saxon - Protect Yourself
Peppermint Tribe~Saigon Kick
Biggest oversight of the show-Oh War! by Max Webster
R.E.M - Remember California.
AC/DC - Night POrowler
Quiet Riot - Condition Critical.
Kiss - God Of Thender
Very interesting topic. Great episode!!!
Rainbow Demon was the first cover song I performed with my band back in '87, it was very much a rip of "Thing that should not be". Those who liked the heavy cello in ELO , should check out Rasputina - Thanks for the Ether.
Machine Messiah! Good call.
She Shook Me Cold sounds like someone played Sabbath for Bowie and he said "hold my beer".
Excellent episode. I really like the humming/singing of the riffs. Keep up the good work.
It was a very interesting discussion, but I wish you guys would have properly explained the tritone. It is not a "minor key". A minor key does not really have that kind of dissonance that a tritone has. A tritone is characterized as an augmented fourth or a diminished fifth. One reason why the interval sounds so dissonant is because it’s right in between being a perfect fourth and a perfect fifth, which are two of the most consonant-sounding intervals after unisons and octaves (in the context of western tonal harmony). In other words, it is a note that doesn't resolve and because of this has a tendency to cause a bit of discomfort or unease with the listener.
Metallica - sad but true, the thing that should not be.
Creed - my own prison
pink Floyd - welcome to the machine, sorrow
Hendrix's I Don't Live Today comes to mind.
Nile has borrowed some Candlemass riffs for "Unas Slayer Of The Gods"
"My God" by Jethro Tull, to me, is even more doom than "Aqualung." Especially if you hear it on the live album Isle of Wight 1970. WOW.
Chilly in New York and Toronto meanwhile in Arizona 112 today.
Alice Cooper Black Juiu
I’m going to see Kansas on the 22nd here in San Diego at an oceanfront open arena. Can’t wait! I haven’t seen them since 1980.
Some interesting information about Round and Round.
- After Martin mentioned it, I checked my copy of Aerosmith's "Walk this Way" biography and the song is not mentioned in the pages that discuss the making of Toys in the Attic (every other track does get a mention).
- I did a brief search on the set lists from 1975/1976 and I wasn't able to find a concert that contained the song.
- On RUclips, I did find a few live renditions from 2009. Steve Tyler introduces the song at a Boston show stating, "I know for a fact that we have never played this song here before".
- Track was composed by Brad Whitford who also had his hand in Nobody's Fault which may take the silver medal for Aerosmith's heaviest song.
Chicago - Poem 58 kinda doomy when the vocals kick in
Jethro Tull- My God
Kenny Loggins- Angelique a very dark track that could fit on an post 2000 Opeth or Katatonia album.
Overkill- Skullcrusher maybe the best doom song ever.
KISS- Strange Ways & Unholy
Bullet With Butterfly Wings..Pumkins
the Doors - Not to Touch the Earth, and Jefferson Airplane - House At Poohneil Corners were the Heaviest Doom songs. Aerosmith - Round and Round , Nazareth - Sold My Soul, Ballad of Hollis Brown, Montrose - Dreamer, Scorpions - I'm Going Mad, and UFO - Flying . Witchfynde - Stagefright, Scorpions - China White
I've always wanted to hear a metal band cover the song "Bad Company" by Bad Company until I heard Five Finger Death Punch's cover, and then I realized that no, I did not.
Black Flag - Nothing Left Inside
Iggy & the Stooges - Dirt
Fleetwood Mac - Green Manalishi
Doors - L'America
Cheap Trick - Heaven Tonight
Manowar - Hatred
UFO..Follow You Home!
Rolling Stones - Play With Fire, the Seeds - Falling, Rush - Necromancer
The Bad Company cover Martin refers to could be the Five Finger Death Punch version
UFO - Queen of the Deep, On With the Action, Mother Mary, Too Much of Nothing, and definitely Long Gone from the WW&tI album. The Writer inspired John Cougar Mellencamp - Rain on the Scarecrow which has a Doom feel, although definitely not Metal.
Also, big fan of "How Much Can You Take" by A Foot in Coldwater.
Procul Harum - about to die
Eloy - nightriders
Beggars opera - from shark to haggis (a doomy song that turns in a jig)
Birth control - Hoodo man
CCR -Rude awakening,Graveyard train
Frank Zappa - the torture never stops
"Crazy Horses" for sure. Also covered by SAHB. Speaking of SAHB, I'd say "Faith Healer" and "Give My Compliments To The Chef". As for Gentle Giant from Civilian, "Number One" and "Inside Out" are doomy. This might be cheating since it's Sabbath adjacent, but "The Spell" from the Fused album by Iommi\Hughes. Supertramp certainly has songs with doomy passages (e.g. "I've Been Waiting So Long" and "Brother, Where Ya Bound?). Al Stewart "Life In Dark Water". Ambrosia "For Openers (Welcome Home)". Brand X "Cambodia". BTO "Not Fragile". Crack The Sky "From The Greenhouse". Detective "Grim Reaper". My Sister's Machine "This Is Fear". Raisins "Perfect Crime".
Gentle Giant - the Wreck off of the Aquiring the Taste album
Mahogany Rush - Land of 1000 Dreams, Emperor 4, and Requiem For a Sinner. Styx - Suite Madame Blue. Deep Purple - Fools, Judas Priest - Deep Freeze
The song Street Singer by the band Street Light might be the first doom metal song and it’s from 1967.
Clear Light? Definitely! Perfect choice.
As far as the band Rainbow doing doom....... maybe "Sixteenth Century Greensleeves" or "Run With The Wolf"?
16th was my thought when the topic came up
How about Roxy Music's in every dream home a heartache. I think that's pretty doomy
Van Der Graaf Generator - Lemmings.
Pardo and Popoff !! Love the funhouse 🎉
Green Manalishi by Fleetwood Mac. Its much darker and slower than the JP cover. Also Five Finger Death Punch covered Bad Company.
April Wine's -'Cats Claw'
Robin Trower - I can't Wait
Much Longer
Queensryche - Road to Madness
how about the original Aynsley Dunbar Retaliation version of "Warning"? clear link between Sabbath and the blues (also maybe their equivalent of Dazed And Confused, with less theft)
Spooky Tooth "Better by you, better than me"
Free "Woman"
Freedoms Children "Homecoming"
Martin - given your love for the Manics, I thought you’d mention Mausoleum, from The Holy Bible
Run of the Mill - Judas Priesr
Heavy blues but a doomy and melancholic atmosphere
Oops - I meant Dying to Meet You!
Ive been watching SOT for about 3 years. never heard so much "singing" aka riff interpretations in an episode ever, (Du du DAAA!!!), lol.
Siouxsie & the Banshee's 'Night Shift' - doomy nocturnal murder music.
After going through all the comments again 15 hours after this video was posted, I just realized and am actually shocked that ‘Hey You’ by Pink Floyd has not been mentioned!
Really interesting idea, definitely "Round and Round", the definitive example. Some other doomy songs-
1. Free - Moonshine
2. Scorpions - China White
3. UFO - Queen of the Deep
4. G n' R - Coma
5. Queen - Son and Daughter
6. Budgie - Hammer and Tongs (a great reworking of "Dazed and Confused")
7. AC/DC - Spellbound
8. Rolling Stones - Sister Morphine
9. ELO - In Old England Town
10. Gillan - Nervous
Overkill has a few in my opinion.
Skullcrusher is one of the best Doom songs ever written
Rival Sons' "Darkside" from the 'Darkfighter' (2023) album! It's freaking heavy and moody.
Great topic!!! 👍