Hi I'm the pilot of the first Sisay list covered in this video! Since this event, I have cut strix serenade as it doesn't help protect my win attempts other than countering an opp agent, and it consuming a slot for that incredibly narrow use case felt super bad. So stoked to see my list in one of your videos, I started watching you basically the minute I got back into cEDH, keep up the awesome work ^~^
Thanks for the review! I'll throw this wall of text for anyone scratching their heads at the list and to hopefully spark more discussion since I don't have a primer going. This Rog Thras is much closer to Rog Si than the Rog Thras midrange builds a la Sam Black. The midrange version has felt too dopey to hang with other midrange decks without efficient tutors or silences. I feel this is the better direction to take after maintaining ~40% winrate (100 game sample) in higher profile discords + larger tournaments. Glad to finally get it on topdeck with a big enough tournament using topdeck. This is a manual storm deck with Kitten + Cloud of Faeries/Dockside/Candelabra feeding into Thras as plan A. Once kitten is in play it's almost impossible to deal with. The trick is that every card slot focuses on triggering kitten/song while going mana neutral or mana positive (ie carpet of flowers is sus but almost always will get at least 1 back same turn compared to birds of paradise). This kitten strat inherently enables Hullbreaker/Song payoffs so they're must haves. This means that Rograkh often hangs in the command zone if there's no immediate reason to play him to help get the Song/Cloudstone/Hullbreaker line going since he gets picked off a lot when sitting around early. The mana choices results in bowmaster/board wipe insulation and helps feed docksides to encourage early win attempts. All of the dopey 3 mana tutor creatures are unimposing set up pieces to either neoform to kitten or chain with kitten in play. This pulls table attention away from you and helps to clear the table of interaction for your turn if someone sees a juicy chance with dockside. If no one goes for it then you can sit back on Thras and develop while working towards an e zone/borne line. Legolas's Quick Reflexes guarantees that kitten will stay in play plus a kitten trigger since the trigger must resolve before LQR leaves the stack. It's an untapper for earthcraft/relic to sometimes get mana neutral return and removal so it's a must have. The One Ring isn't here for the same reason it's not in Rog Si; a wheel is just better. I've tried Training Grounds since that can accelerate the storm turn, but TG has baited me into some trap hands since it's no wheel so it hasn't made the cut either. Six has been mediocre. It's slightly too inefficient for an immediate payoff, and I'm not looking to keep lands in hand often. I've found shifting woodlands to serve the same purpose while still being able to develop early game via a land drop or crop rotating to it as needed. The hullbreaker/song/kitten/cloudstone that gets wheeled/countered early are the ones that need to come back and not using the stack to do it is fantastic. The third wheel is the 97th slot for sure. The new flash otter looks to be the real winner for the deck and will replace timetwister/Six based on initial testing. A creature for flash shenanigans, neoforming to kitten at instant speed, using rocks as protection for kitten, and Earthcraft untap synergy is absurd.
It'd be extra work, but if you wanted to "normalize" the artwork when looking at decks you can edit your "preferred printings" for cards in moxfield, and then make a copy of whatever decklist you want to look at, and then change it from there.
Guy here with the Assssin's Creed Sisay list. Arbaaz is how I won 2 of my games. 1 being on top of an Oppo cast with Mount Doom in my hand and the other could've been any Sisay line. He likely won't stay in. Basim didn't show up at all in this tournament but in testing it has been great with most of my spells being able to replace itself on cast. Abstergo Entertainment has been good and has come up twice since I've been testing it needing it as graveyard hate. Thanks for the coverage!! We have a tournament recap from myself and the Malcolm & Tana player over on our channel!! @doublesleevedmtg
@aklepatzky depends on what the top 16 looks like and what else I got going on, probably not gonna have time for it if I had to guess. Covering Fish Bowl and then I'm gonna be doing commentary at an event this weekend and covering it next week.
Funny enough I had planned a Dagsson/Urza monoblue deck but I decided to change it to the new DaVinci one: Probably not going to make cedh ranks but the 'cheat artifact into play' it's endless fun
10K Sub Idea. Can we finally see you play? You do awesome reviews but I would love to see a breakdown of your gameplay or see you play w/ some other CEDH content creators. You have a lot of meta knowledge but would love to see you put it into practice for us.
@damo9961 it is, though I think that doesn't probably mean too much. There isn't a lot people can do once you've established infinite creature mana with Food Chain to begin with, hard for me to see a position where it really helps.
@@LemorasCards How about BEFORE you've created the mana? You know, like most stax pieces? Slow the game down BEFORE you can win? I dunno, not being intentionally an a55hole, probably just cant help it. My take anyway
@damo9961 yeah, it's worse as a stax piece than just playing Archon of Emeria for those purposes, and it makes it a lot harder to do any of their combos. Turns off Thoracle, means you can't actually protect your Food Chain or really any valuable spell when you cast it.
I cannot wait to see how Nadu get optimized. I’ve been trying to tweak it as much as possible and then new cards come to light. Hoping that Nadu is here to stay.
@@craigrgriffin I mean sure. People can cheat in person as well. And there was someone watching every game as well. Not saying someone could not cheat but that can also just happen in real life tournaments as well. There was a decent prize pool with first place taking $500 so they did try to make sure everyone is not cheating and people can always just look at recaps if needed
Hi I'm the pilot of the first Sisay list covered in this video! Since this event, I have cut strix serenade as it doesn't help protect my win attempts other than countering an opp agent, and it consuming a slot for that incredibly narrow use case felt super bad. So stoked to see my list in one of your videos, I started watching you basically the minute I got back into cEDH, keep up the awesome work ^~^
That's good info, and awesome to hear, glad I got to feature you!
Hell yea this was an amazing event to go to it was awesome to meet everyone in the event
Thanks for the review! I'll throw this wall of text for anyone scratching their heads at the list and to hopefully spark more discussion since I don't have a primer going. This Rog Thras is much closer to Rog Si than the Rog Thras midrange builds a la Sam Black. The midrange version has felt too dopey to hang with other midrange decks without efficient tutors or silences. I feel this is the better direction to take after maintaining ~40% winrate (100 game sample) in higher profile discords + larger tournaments. Glad to finally get it on topdeck with a big enough tournament using topdeck.
This is a manual storm deck with Kitten + Cloud of Faeries/Dockside/Candelabra feeding into Thras as plan A. Once kitten is in play it's almost impossible to deal with. The trick is that every card slot focuses on triggering kitten/song while going mana neutral or mana positive (ie carpet of flowers is sus but almost always will get at least 1 back same turn compared to birds of paradise). This kitten strat inherently enables Hullbreaker/Song payoffs so they're must haves. This means that Rograkh often hangs in the command zone if there's no immediate reason to play him to help get the Song/Cloudstone/Hullbreaker line going since he gets picked off a lot when sitting around early.
The mana choices results in bowmaster/board wipe insulation and helps feed docksides to encourage early win attempts. All of the dopey 3 mana tutor creatures are unimposing set up pieces to either neoform to kitten or chain with kitten in play. This pulls table attention away from you and helps to clear the table of interaction for your turn if someone sees a juicy chance with dockside. If no one goes for it then you can sit back on Thras and develop while working towards an e zone/borne line.
Legolas's Quick Reflexes guarantees that kitten will stay in play plus a kitten trigger since the trigger must resolve before LQR leaves the stack. It's an untapper for earthcraft/relic to sometimes get mana neutral return and removal so it's a must have.
The One Ring isn't here for the same reason it's not in Rog Si; a wheel is just better. I've tried Training Grounds since that can accelerate the storm turn, but TG has baited me into some trap hands since it's no wheel so it hasn't made the cut either.
Six has been mediocre. It's slightly too inefficient for an immediate payoff, and I'm not looking to keep lands in hand often. I've found shifting woodlands to serve the same purpose while still being able to develop early game via a land drop or crop rotating to it as needed. The hullbreaker/song/kitten/cloudstone that gets wheeled/countered early are the ones that need to come back and not using the stack to do it is fantastic.
The third wheel is the 97th slot for sure. The new flash otter looks to be the real winner for the deck and will replace timetwister/Six based on initial testing. A creature for flash shenanigans, neoforming to kitten at instant speed, using rocks as protection for kitten, and Earthcraft untap synergy is absurd.
I think a 10k gift for the viewers should be that you host a tournament in the Carolina/GA area and then do a video covering the event. 10/10 idea
It'd be extra work, but if you wanted to "normalize" the artwork when looking at decks you can edit your "preferred printings" for cards in moxfield, and then make a copy of whatever decklist you want to look at, and then change it from there.
I've been cooking with narset in the mtgo leagues and have been having very consistent success, not surprised someone else brought it and did well
Guy here with the Assssin's Creed Sisay list. Arbaaz is how I won 2 of my games. 1 being on top of an Oppo cast with Mount Doom in my hand and the other could've been any Sisay line. He likely won't stay in.
Basim didn't show up at all in this tournament but in testing it has been great with most of my spells being able to replace itself on cast.
Abstergo Entertainment has been good and has come up twice since I've been testing it needing it as graveyard hate.
Thanks for the coverage!! We have a tournament recap from myself and the Malcolm & Tana player over on our channel!! @doublesleevedmtg
Bovine intervention hits vexing bauble and drannith so dual purpose.
Just built a bad arcum, cant wait to power it up. Keep it up man.
Ian just won a 10k with Kinnan are you gonna make a vid about that event as well?
@aklepatzky depends on what the top 16 looks like and what else I got going on, probably not gonna have time for it if I had to guess. Covering Fish Bowl and then I'm gonna be doing commentary at an event this weekend and covering it next week.
Always happy to see Malcolm/Tana. That's the deck I started with in CEDH, still probably the deck Im the most effective with
Funny enough I had planned a Dagsson/Urza monoblue deck but I decided to change it to the new DaVinci one: Probably not going to make cedh ranks but the 'cheat artifact into play' it's endless fun
10K Sub Idea. Can we finally see you play? You do awesome reviews but I would love to see a breakdown of your gameplay or see you play w/ some other CEDH content creators. You have a lot of meta knowledge but would love to see you put it into practice for us.
@Truthkills002 I did do some MTGO gameplay, there's a chance I do some paper stuff at least once just to judge interest.
As a religious narset player this is super exciting for me.
👍🏻👍🏻✌🏻
Wow Arcum Dag makes an appearance! Nice. Mr. Gaddock Teeg approves!
plz cover fishbowl and Columbus 🙏
Are you gonna be covering final fortune at all?
Don't think so unfortunately, got so much other stuff going on at the moment.
Isn't Phyrexian Censor in Atraxa just a Rule of Law that you can still infinite Atraxa through? Like It's just RULE OF LAW
@damo9961 it is, though I think that doesn't probably mean too much. There isn't a lot people can do once you've established infinite creature mana with Food Chain to begin with, hard for me to see a position where it really helps.
@@LemorasCards How about BEFORE you've created the mana? You know, like most stax pieces? Slow the game down BEFORE you can win? I dunno, not being intentionally an a55hole, probably just cant help it. My take anyway
@damo9961 yeah, it's worse as a stax piece than just playing Archon of Emeria for those purposes, and it makes it a lot harder to do any of their combos. Turns off Thoracle, means you can't actually protect your Food Chain or really any valuable spell when you cast it.
I cannot wait to see how Nadu get optimized. I’ve been trying to tweak it as much as possible and then new cards come to light. Hoping that Nadu is here to stay.
Are u covering the Reddit rumble btw?
@@muditjohar5323 first I've heard about it!
@@LemorasCardsit was a free online cedh tournament this past weekend with 80+ participants. So not a bad sample size
It was ran on cockatrice, so definitely no cheaters 😂 @LemorasCards
@@craigrgriffin I mean sure. People can cheat in person as well. And there was someone watching every game as well. Not saying someone could not cheat but that can also just happen in real life tournaments as well. There was a decent prize pool with first place taking $500 so they did try to make sure everyone is not cheating and people can always just look at recaps if needed
@@muditjohar5323 I was just saying that the upside is that no one will get accused of cheating after he drops the torunament report :P
10k Subs Nadu Cosplay plz