Jordan’s way of mixing really does work. I was always over complicating things, which I guess is what happens when you’re starting out, but once I started keeping it simple and just using the principles that have always worked for great mixers, then everything just started falling into place.
I’m gonna dowload the mix cheatsheet and laminate it😂. You really as well as your team, take the bs and fluff out of mixing. I so appreciate all the stuff you give out for free. I can’t afford your flagship training but. Thanks for these tried and true methods.
Keep in mind that the dry tracks already sound very good, so don't forget to mention that the end results will be quite different depending on the quality or your drum recordings...
@@sjoerdvisser76 While it seems this is just a mixing job, this is part of Jordan's method: always get it right at the source (the recording stage). The more it sounds like a finished product in the recording stage, the better.
Great chain! I usually throw BSA clipper at the end to really tame those transients! BSA tools look simple but work well and since they are easy to use, you’ll tend to reach for them to get the job done quick
Yeah as far as SSL channel compression goes, I've been using E channel emulations for a while... Until Slate added all of SSL Native's own plugins and I stumbled on their B channel from the 70s, which I don't remember seeing any other company having modeled, and holy cow. The absolute opposite of subtle, lots of punch and tons of harmonics, I think its dynamics section either based on the bus compressor or the LMC instead of a completely different design like the later versions, and it's a lot more bare bones in terms of ratios. But it just has that dirty gritty thing that I absolutely love on drums (I'd still reach for an E or G channel for vocals or guitars)
I love this channel but sometimes the comments are so awful. Happy to beat them here. Love your stuff! Don’t let the negative comments stop you from making such great content ❤
since you love working with SSL channels trips, have you ever thought about getting a SSL UC1 controller and use the SSL ones and skip the mouse? I recently got one and it's pretty nice to be able to insert a 4K on every track and then not use the mouse when mixing more or less.
Is it possible to put a limiter somewhere in the chain without destroying the sound? This gets my snare sounding GREAT but it does nothing to help me for the few times the drummer on a take hits harder, sometimes way too hard but during a perfect take, to the point that you don't wanna make a client redo such a stellar take, but I wish I could eliminate the peaking loud transients without going in by hand and spot fixing things with audiosuite gain reductions. I also find that Clipper really isn't enough. On the kick drum video, I used identical settings, and it slightly evens things out, but the hardest hitting kicks and snares are absolutely *NOT* reduced by using the BSA Clipper. They still stick out like sores thumbs.
I presume for this song he didn't record the instruments himself, but he would pretty much always use AKG D112/Shure Beta 52 for Kick, Shure SM57 on snare top and bottom, some dynamic mics for toms like Sennheiser E604 or MD421, Small pencil mics for Overheads like AKG C451b and whatever Large condencer mic for Rooms. I believe that you can get excellent results using even the cheapest equivalents as long as you master your placements and the rest of the important things (Good instrument, good musician, good performance).
It's great if you can find a drum plugin with a snare that sounds good like that to start but they all seem so splashy with the horrid snare rattle. Where can you get a nice snare like that please?
All of the snares ive ever used in various drum libraries have a sizzling tail on it. This snare has none of that. Any recommendations on samples or libraries that have snares that sound like this?
I guess it's because there is a snare wires bleed added. Try isolating only the "Snare Top" mic, it will normally sound pretty much like the exemple here.
The advice of High passing on youtube ruined audio engineering for beginners. People that dont even know how to layer properly think theyve got to get rid of all the low mids, when really thats what makes your mix sound good in the car
Snare bot is almost same EQ as Top, Top end boost, sometimes more in the 10K range, low boost at 200hz and cutting the honky mids. Compression wise it's quite the opposite as the top, it's bigger ratio (5 to 10), still fast release, but fast attack. Fast attack is the key as the intitial transient will be squashed, leaving you with the pure rattle of the wires. Then blend to taste in the context of your drum mix.
Noob here, I wonder why the gate is important since everyone uses a channel of overhead mics plus a room mic anyway. I’m not throwing stones, I totally respect your expertise.
Because you want the compressor and EQ just compressing and EQing the individual snare. You're going to EQ OHs and rooms way different. Plus a snare is just a mono signal, and the mic is right on the snare. It's not in a good position to pick up cymbals and room sound. This is pretty standard. Happy mixing!
If you put certain processing on a snare track for example, the bleed from other drums will also be processed and that can affect the overall drum sound negatively. Also it can sometimes help drums sound more dry in certain cases if that’s what you’re looking for. Another reason is because of a technique that I know Andy Wallace uses, where he uses a gate on kick and snare, and cuts of the sound very short, so you’re hearing the initial attack and less of the tail of the sound. That can make your drums more punchy in some cases.
Aggree. Didn't mentioned anything about the reverb, but im pretty sure it's switched on all the time during mixing... so please help us with the reverb settings, that would be amazing! Thanks!
VerbSuite Classic, Bricasti M7 "Snare Plate B" for the main snare reverb. He also sometimes uses a bit of the "80's gated drums" preset or the "CLA Snare" preset. But the Bricasti impulse is the Go To.
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Saw this and bought BSA Silencer. Just threw it on a drum mix. Man, this thing is cool. Great purchase....and on sale.
Never thought i'd see one of my favorite mix engineers mixing a song for BO6
Jordan’s way of mixing really does work. I was always over complicating things, which I guess is what happens when you’re starting out, but once I started keeping it simple and just using the principles that have always worked for great mixers, then everything just started falling into place.
Silencer is the new goat. Be proud, you did a great job with it.
I’m gonna dowload the mix cheatsheet and laminate it😂. You really as well as your team, take the bs and fluff out of mixing. I so appreciate all the stuff you give out for free. I can’t afford your flagship training but. Thanks for these tried and true methods.
Did not realise that black salt audio was you man, been following on and off from afar and that is so sick!
Keep in mind that the dry tracks already sound very good, so don't forget to mention that the end results will be quite different depending on the quality or your drum recordings...
Agreed. The snare in solo sounded very good on its own already.
@@sjoerdvisser76 While it seems this is just a mixing job, this is part of Jordan's method: always get it right at the source (the recording stage). The more it sounds like a finished product in the recording stage, the better.
Great chain! I usually throw BSA clipper at the end to really tame those transients! BSA tools look simple but work well and since they are easy to use, you’ll tend to reach for them to get the job done quick
Mr. savior behind the rock n roll making...
It’s amazing how much I take the magic of a gate for granted.
Love silencer, it’s amazing
Silencer is freaking AMAZING.
Yeah as far as SSL channel compression goes, I've been using E channel emulations for a while... Until Slate added all of SSL Native's own plugins and I stumbled on their B channel from the 70s, which I don't remember seeing any other company having modeled, and holy cow. The absolute opposite of subtle, lots of punch and tons of harmonics, I think its dynamics section either based on the bus compressor or the LMC instead of a completely different design like the later versions, and it's a lot more bare bones in terms of ratios. But it just has that dirty gritty thing that I absolutely love on drums (I'd still reach for an E or G channel for vocals or guitars)
Fun! Congrats on landing this mix job.
I love this channel but sometimes the comments are so awful. Happy to beat them here. Love your stuff! Don’t let the negative comments stop you from making such great content ❤
I wish Black Salt audio was soundgrid compatible, it would be so amazing to use it live
Love this snare sound 🔥
Grab your free Mixing Cheatsheet to learn the go-to starting points for EQ and compression in heavy mixes: www.mixcheatsheet.com
It says the server is down when I try to access cheat sheet.
@@terry2315 same nothing loads for me
since you love working with SSL channels trips, have you ever thought about getting a SSL UC1 controller and use the SSL ones and skip the mouse? I recently got one and it's pretty nice to be able to insert a 4K on every track and then not use the mouse when mixing more or less.
i have tried it briefly and I am interested. It definitely feels different and more musical turning the knobs than using a mouse.
nice mix tips and sound after
What about the reverb ? eq before , after compesion reverb type, send from snare bottom top or both ? just intested tell us
Is it possible to put a limiter somewhere in the chain without destroying the sound? This gets my snare sounding GREAT but it does nothing to help me for the few times the drummer on a take hits harder, sometimes way too hard but during a perfect take, to the point that you don't wanna make a client redo such a stellar take, but I wish I could eliminate the peaking loud transients without going in by hand and spot fixing things with audiosuite gain reductions. I also find that Clipper really isn't enough. On the kick drum video, I used identical settings, and it slightly evens things out, but the hardest hitting kicks and snares are absolutely *NOT* reduced by using the BSA Clipper. They still stick out like sores thumbs.
Best sounding mixed Drums i've ever heard
What Mic's did you use for this Kit?
I presume for this song he didn't record the instruments himself, but he would pretty much always use AKG D112/Shure Beta 52 for Kick, Shure SM57 on snare top and bottom, some dynamic mics for toms like Sennheiser E604 or MD421, Small pencil mics for Overheads like AKG C451b and whatever Large condencer mic for Rooms.
I believe that you can get excellent results using even the cheapest equivalents as long as you master your placements and the rest of the important things (Good instrument, good musician, good performance).
It's great if you can find a drum plugin with a snare that sounds good like that to start but they all seem so splashy with the horrid snare rattle. Where can you get a nice snare like that please?
Can I apply this same chain to kicks and other drum sounds? One of those people kind of OCD about mixing individual elements though I suck at it.
If you don't already have a video on plug-in order on a channel, I would love to see one.
All of the snares ive ever used in various drum libraries have a sizzling tail on it. This snare has none of that. Any recommendations on samples or libraries that have snares that sound like this?
I guess it's because there is a snare wires bleed added. Try isolating only the "Snare Top" mic, it will normally sound pretty much like the exemple here.
What was that reverb? It’s fantastic.
He mostly uses VerbSuite Classic with the Bricasti M7 impulse, Snare Plate B. Or a Room snare sample blended with the rest of the drums.
Even if you attenuate the output with the saturation isn't the output of the ssl channel still clipping on the channel?
meh sounds fine!
No Drum Leveler?
Very surprised that you’re not using a high pass on the snare to get rid of unnecessary low end!
The advice of High passing on youtube ruined audio engineering for beginners. People that dont even know how to layer properly think theyve got to get rid of all the low mids, when really thats what makes your mix sound good in the car
sometimes I do... didn't really hear any bothersome low end though. Plus the gate is basically cleaning that all up for me already
Loved it ! What do you do with the SSL on the snare bottom ? (where do you cut/boost and what are the settings for the compression)
Snare bot is almost same EQ as Top, Top end boost, sometimes more in the 10K range, low boost at 200hz and cutting the honky mids. Compression wise it's quite the opposite as the top, it's bigger ratio (5 to 10), still fast release, but fast attack. Fast attack is the key as the intitial transient will be squashed, leaving you with the pure rattle of the wires. Then blend to taste in the context of your drum mix.
@@HardRocker47 Tks buddy ! ! ! 😃
Noob here, I wonder why the gate is important since everyone uses a channel of overhead mics plus a room mic anyway. I’m not throwing stones, I totally respect your expertise.
Because you want the compressor and EQ just compressing and EQing the individual snare. You're going to EQ OHs and rooms way different. Plus a snare is just a mono signal, and the mic is right on the snare. It's not in a good position to pick up cymbals and room sound. This is pretty standard. Happy mixing!
If you put certain processing on a snare track for example, the bleed from other drums will also be processed and that can affect the overall drum sound negatively. Also it can sometimes help drums sound more dry in certain cases if that’s what you’re looking for.
Another reason is because of a technique that I know Andy Wallace uses, where he uses a gate on kick and snare, and cuts of the sound very short, so you’re hearing the initial attack and less of the tail of the sound. That can make your drums more punchy in some cases.
@@JackMorgan06 oh, ok. That makes great sense. Thank you. Hot tip of the day !
@@BrofUJu Makes great sense. Thank you, my brother !
we need the reverb settings too...
Aggree. Didn't mentioned anything about the reverb, but im pretty sure it's switched on all the time during mixing... so please help us with the reverb settings, that would be amazing! Thanks!
VerbSuite Classic, Bricasti M7 "Snare Plate B" for the main snare reverb. He also sometimes uses a bit of the "80's gated drums" preset or the "CLA Snare" preset. But the Bricasti impulse is the Go To.
Thanks
So did you get royalties on this one?
Even dry that snare sounds amazing. Pretty low tuning especially in the age of all the Instagram drummers tuning way up and muting the shit out of it
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I believe that the magic plug-in is hiring a professional to mix your songs.