When I got home from work, I went out to my studio and tried this and even modify the numbers to apply the same concept to my kick and I ended up with just thunderous low end
Great video btw! For clean(er) bass sounds I almost always add some distortion for harmonic distortions. It helps to cut trough the mix and to hear it on smaller speakers. I guess that's what you do with saturation here :) My secret weapon for this: SansAmp plugin ❤
Hey guys is this approach of multi-band compression on the low end accomplishing the same thing as splitting the bass into two tracks for low and high - which I have seen recommended by folks like Joey Sturgis? Is it the same basic idea but just on one track?
Yes and no - you want steady low end in modern productions, but split band also achieves a different taste. Having all on one track is safer in terms of phase coherence, whereas split band processing allows you to distort parts of the signal much more without completely messing up the low end. Either way, you definitely want to control your low end
More or less…the split approach tends to keep the sub cleaner and leaves you with a little bit more easy to understand control? But that fade point is critical. Multi band depending on what you’re doing and what you’re starting signal is could have a little more dirt that sneak in, but will be more glued together. It’s a little bit more of a taste thing, but functionally yes with some small caveats.
Yes, it's the same. Multi-band compressors will split the track into multiple tracks with theit own frequency ranges, then process them in parallel and combine back together. So the only difference here is number of tracks
Can I just use about the same compressor settings on the e channel if I don’t have the cla compressor? I have everything else including the black salt audio plugins. Would I get roughly the same sound?
"Magic"... 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️😅😅 Why word this as if selling snake oil medicine to halfwits?? It's a good and sensible plugin chain that definitely works - for THAT song, bass recording, arrangement, style, sound, production, mix. Change any of these variables and... 🤷🏼♂️ "Magic" does NOT exist in audio. Although tips and processing chain ideas can be helpful, it's ears, taste, and experience. And horses for courses.
@RoelofKlop I know you know what I meant - try doing live bass guitar on a Bruno Mars song, or a Joe Bonamassa song, or a Dua Lipa song, or a U2 song, or... etc etc. Again, there is no "Magic". The wording is silly to anyone professional at this.
I think that's where we disagree. Would load up the same bass chain for U2 or Bruno mars. Of course the specific decisions change, but all within the same framework that stays consistent and works. Lots of mixers get nowhere because they think "there's no formula." There is.
@hardcoremusicstudio Formulas exist - yes. (Do they always work? No... or perhaps only if you like your work to be, as the word says, fornulaic - sticking to fornulas isn't very creative, and "getting nowhere" is very relative: is it about how many mixes one completes, how fast? Or how good, how original and suited to the song & artist they are? Some swear by templates. But the best and most groundbreaking records weren't made by sticking to a template AFAIK). BUT - "Magic" and "magic formulas" don't exist. And wording it exactly like that on YT is just clickbaitishly silly. And you know that very well, we can (secretly) agree on that.
So, a "magic" plugin chain for a "raw" sound which is in it's "raw" form actualy better than 99% of people's "mixed" sounds. lol I'd like to chalenge you with mixing of a crappy recording. You have entered cheet codes! We know it! :)
the dude who brought out silencer gets me to at least pay attention to every plugin release going forward. Masterpiece of a gate. The philosophy of quick and specific use case is a good move in plugins.
Cut him some slack. He is presenting his chain. He even tells that it’s not about the plugins. Just use any multi band. There are guys on RUclips being much much worse!
It sounds absolutely insane, doesn't even sound like a bass, more like an additional weird percussion, but im guessing since that is not my genre I dont understand it
Grab your free Mixing Cheatsheet to learn the go-to starting points for EQ and compression in heavy mixes: www.hardcoremusicstudio.com/mixcheatsheet
Glad to see someone else using Escalator on bass. I’ve been using it on there since the plugin came out, it’s great
When I got home from work, I went out to my studio and tried this and even modify the numbers to apply the same concept to my kick and I ended up with just thunderous low end
jordan and roloff my goats.
Thank you! Great tutorial!
Roelof recognition 💯
Great video btw! For clean(er) bass sounds I almost always add some distortion for harmonic distortions. It helps to cut trough the mix and to hear it on smaller speakers. I guess that's what you do with saturation here :)
My secret weapon for this: SansAmp plugin ❤
You had me at "farty sounding low end"
Hey guys is this approach of multi-band compression on the low end accomplishing the same thing as splitting the bass into two tracks for low and high - which I have seen recommended by folks like Joey Sturgis? Is it the same basic idea but just on one track?
Yes and no - you want steady low end in modern productions, but split band also achieves a different taste. Having all on one track is safer in terms of phase coherence, whereas split band processing allows you to distort parts of the signal much more without completely messing up the low end. Either way, you definitely want to control your low end
I think the split track sounds better for metal also i add a turd track with low distortion from an amp sim
More or less…the split approach tends to keep the sub cleaner and leaves you with a little bit more easy to understand control? But that fade point is critical. Multi band depending on what you’re doing and what you’re starting signal is could have a little more dirt that sneak in, but will be more glued together. It’s a little bit more of a taste thing, but functionally yes with some small caveats.
@@kieronmckay4276 run all your split tracks into a bus and add compression for the "glue"
Yes, it's the same. Multi-band compressors will split the track into multiple tracks with theit own frequency ranges, then process them in parallel and combine back together. So the only difference here is number of tracks
Amazing. Would be awesome to see a bass workshop!
Thanks guys!
Sounds great to me!
Cheat sheet is an invaluable tool if you just starting out tracking and mixing.
Do you have any cheat-sheet for saturation types for different substrates?
Er, you do know what a substrate is, right? 😂
@@officialWWM For sure, but you write like a teenager... Stoned?
wow, smokin'!
Great stuff
How would you use parallax? For this
Parallax would be before this chain to create the "tone".
Element Bass "Three Stage" or "Prog" preset into Escalator, done!
Can I just use about the same compressor settings on the e channel if I don’t have the cla compressor? I have everything else including the black salt audio plugins. Would I get roughly the same sound?
Do you use a high pass and Roelof the subs?... sorry
Dude! 😆
What’s the name of the deathcore band featured in the second example of applying the chain?
Nouri Yetgin - Skin & Splinters
Like to see one on your snare verbs.
Whats the name of the first track?
I am getting away from plugins, but I wish hardware had these types of workflows
Is the 2nd track midibass?
Yes it was he said
Yes! Umansky
Waiting for "Magic Plugin Chain for Guitar" to mix Lemmy bass 🤣
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Имба
"Magic"... 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️😅😅
Why word this as if selling snake oil medicine to halfwits??
It's a good and sensible plugin chain that definitely works - for THAT song, bass recording, arrangement, style, sound, production, mix.
Change any of these variables and...
🤷🏼♂️
"Magic" does NOT exist in audio. Although tips and processing chain ideas can be helpful, it's ears, taste, and experience. And horses for courses.
I'm changing all the variables at the end of the video though, 10:14
@RoelofKlop I know you know what I meant - try doing live bass guitar on a Bruno Mars song, or a Joe Bonamassa song, or a Dua Lipa song, or a U2 song, or... etc etc.
Again, there is no "Magic".
The wording is silly to anyone professional at this.
I think that's where we disagree. Would load up the same bass chain for U2 or Bruno mars. Of course the specific decisions change, but all within the same framework that stays consistent and works.
Lots of mixers get nowhere because they think "there's no formula." There is.
@hardcoremusicstudio Formulas exist - yes.
(Do they always work? No... or perhaps only if you like your work to be, as the word says, fornulaic - sticking to fornulas isn't very creative, and "getting nowhere" is very relative: is it about how many mixes one completes, how fast? Or how good, how original and suited to the song & artist they are? Some swear by templates. But the best and most groundbreaking records weren't made by sticking to a template AFAIK).
BUT - "Magic" and "magic formulas" don't exist.
And wording it exactly like that on YT is just clickbaitishly silly.
And you know that very well, we can (secretly) agree on that.
So, a "magic" plugin chain for a "raw" sound which is in it's "raw" form actualy better than 99% of people's "mixed" sounds. lol
I'd like to chalenge you with mixing of a crappy recording. You have entered cheet codes! We know it! :)
Deathcore is a genre that’s annoying on purpose 😂
Nice advertisement for bs audio plug ins🤫
Black Salt Audio Low Control is a no-brainer for bass, to be honest.
the dude who brought out silencer gets me to at least pay attention to every plugin release going forward. Masterpiece of a gate. The philosophy of quick and specific use case is a good move in plugins.
Integrated ads 🤮🤮🤮
@@MattGarwood777 I agree. I use Silencer, Telofi & Low Control A LOT!!
Cut him some slack. He is presenting his chain. He even tells that it’s not about the plugins. Just use any multi band. There are guys on RUclips being much much worse!
I couldn’t think of anything worse than being forced to mix that death core crap 😂
I feel like bsa plugins are the only ones to have😂
That second bass track sounds like absolute garbage. There's a couple spots where it wants to sound good, but overall... trash. Whiny.
It sounds absolutely insane, doesn't even sound like a bass, more like an additional weird percussion, but im guessing since that is not my genre I dont understand it
no way, the bass tone is super gnarly. perfect for the mix, combines well with the low tuned guitars.
@turtlemann5429 sure thing, bud.
Lol, alrighty then Hoss.
I think it sounds weird cause its midibass
Nice commercial.