Instead of watching the video just to see how they're made, everyone came here to correct them about the illegal copying thing because they watched Technology Connections' video. Thank you guys -_- He probably meant to say that the black plastic differentiates original discs from copied ones, protecting you from buying illegally copied discs.
"Black ink is added to the plastic t give the CD is distinctive cool, Playstation only look. This also helps protect the CD from illegal copying." ... Thats what they thought...
Even at the time the PS1 launched, there already existed CD readers for PC's that could see right through the disc's dark coloring. In fact, the ink wasn't even black! It was dark purple!
Biriadan I worked for Sony, The black ink did not prevent anything other than looking cool yes you were right you could tell that it was a knock off copy but it wasn’t there to stop you
This is why SEGA didn't have a chance against the PlayStation brand. How much of a threat could they have been when Sony literally owned the means of production? Sony had everything they needed down to the raw materials, insane.
I know many others have pointed this out, but it does make sense that if you see the "black" ink actually functioning more as a built-in authenticity certificate to help consumers differentiate official releases from bootlegs, then the claim of it "protecting against illegal copying" isn't exactly wrong.
PS1....retro yet takes more than ages to getting soft-modded. The wobble effect is still an effective way of copy protection which no one still didn't managed to break it without using any modchips. I wonder if someone came up with the idea of creating specialized blank CD-Rs with region encoding groove pre-written on it.
@@thischannelisdeleted yes but the PS1 discs intentionally wobble a certain way that can be amplitude (de)modulated to decode the ASCII bytes "SCEA" or "SCEE", depending on region. The black ink has nothing to do with this however
I have that demo disk shown being made, pretty awesome. Ps1 will always be my favorite console of all time, it's too bad I find myself playing on xbox more nowadays..
Your comment was made in 2011 I think, during the end of the Xbox 360/PS3 generation. How did you enjoy the PS4/XBO generation? Have you gotten into the PS5/XBS generation yet? Do you even play games anymore? I’m just curious since so much has happened since you made your comment. Xbox was definitely the go-to console that Gen.
When My Son, David, Wears A Yellow Zip-Up Hoodie With A Black Shirt And Black Vest, He Feels Like A PS1 Disc Because He Is Wearing Black Inside Of A Yellow Outfit
@@MoistWontons unless they mean like "if you see a PS1 game without the black back you can know for sure it's pirate copy" Except y'know game shark disc (not licensed but definitely not a "pirate" copy ;) or the square enix reprints That's all I can think anyway.
From wikipedia "Anyone seeking to create copies of games that would work correctly faced several issues at the time, as the discs that were produced by Sony were designed to be difficult to copy - and impossible to copy on recordable media. Discs were manufactured with a black-colored plastic, transparent only to the infrared radiation used by the CD-ROM drive's laser. This was found to offer little protection." They added other things like dead code and areas too. Wiki it for the rest.
It's not black its actually a really dark purple. And it's obviously not gonna do shit it's invisible to infared so ofc it can read it. I don't think Sony actually intended it to be protection
I think what they mean't about copy protection and black ink is more to help people and companies identify if they have a counterfeit game or not kind of like bank notes. At the time black ink on a disk was non existent to regular consumers and people couldn't just buy them off the shelf. Of course there was also copy protection code in the disk (which was eventually cracked)
Well, what they meant by that is that the CD looks distinctly different from a bootlegged copy because they added black dye to the disc. You may be able to get CDR's with black bottoms today, but back then, no.
Dude lived in Oregon my whole life and this place is less then 1 hour from me and i never knew it. i was like i wonder how they do it. typed it in and wtf. crazy stuff. Id like to dumpster diver here. bet you would find tons of old games
cool man. playstation has always been the best. The black discs were so cool at the time. although i liked the ps2-cd (not the boring dvd)roms even better. The purple/blue shining was out of this world!
@JakubTilecky yeah, when I was younger I didn't know either. The only things you need to remember is that if it has a Green label on the CD case, it's a Greatest Hits version(which is basically the same as the Nintendo Players Choice series on the NES , SNES, N64 and so on) The CD will either be Silver with black print, or a solid Matte Black disc with White Print.
@lb8068 They used blue ink on PS2 CDs, I think the Ink interfered with the lazer on DVD because the "tracks" on DVDs are coiled much tighter so it's why DVDs are always silver. But if you ever look at a DVDs silver side, there should be 6 PS logos refrecting off the back so you know it's authentic.
Just like mine! Sure they have scratches, but they still work good! =) Sony should bring back the black disc for the PS3. Just for having their discs black for no clear reason. Early PS2 discs that were in CD format were blue before they had that metallic color.
@youcantubeittoo The color did nothing to change the refractive properties of the disc as far as the read head was concerned instead it was to allow a consumer to tell if they were buying a bootleg copy. The actual copy protection was pretty simple yet effective for the time an original disc would have some of the sectors contain a zeroised EDC/ECC checksum normally these are never zero.
Seems like it's only the black dye they put in, Mine don't even have anything noticeable on them, but I've read that they should play back fine. (Although I've had slow reading speed on one of them, could be a scratch.)
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If i ever make any LP my cd will be that color and blue red grey green chlorine blue far as album concept and vibe and for album art
@@markusTegelane yeah it's like those old windows install discs Though all CD-Rs have a green tint to them due to the heat sensitive dye on them.. and obviously DVD-Rs are somewhat famously purple
Actually, you're wrong. :D The reason Playstation 1 discs were coloured black was copyright protection. They spent ridiculous amounts of money to figure out how to make them and a laser that read them... however... it took weeks to crack and find a way around. Also, extra code was around the edge of the disc to stop copyright protection, by using a sharpie they got around this(May have been PS2) The more you know!
So your telling me they invested so much R&D into making a disc that only their laser would be able to read and just *forgot* to try popping it in an off the shelf CD ROM drive and see it reads absolutely no problem?
It isn't, it's on the old PS1 format, according to tips and tricks (I have the issue where that question was answered in the letters to the editors section but it may take me a while to find it again). Such a shame because Wrath of Cortex had better graphics and an annoying load time and I bet if they used the DVD format the loading time would've been a lot less.
actualy blue ps2 disks were cd ps2 games like leggo starwars the first one it said on the box compact disk (cd) however a game like ratchet and clank had a clear disk and said dvd. so not all ps2 games were made on dvd.
If it wasn't for illegal disk copying, we wouldn't still be able to play Rival schools anymore; Not even on out PSPs due to Capcom not being able to get the rights to it anymore.
Today, sure, but back when the PSOne was relatively new (1994), CD-R wasn't even available for private consumers, and all CD-ROM's at the time were shiny. I was 8 years old at the time, and I was pretty awestruck when I first saw the color of the PSOne discs.
Because DVD ROM uses a red laser if it's black that means it's opaque to visible light (that's why we see it black .. ). Red or Blue would never get through. The 'black ink' is actually a sort of dark violet color but it still would probably block too much light but it's invisible to infared. Which is why its able to work on PS1.
This looks so advanced even looking at it today.
حق وقفو دعم ps2
Instead of watching the video just to see how they're made, everyone came here to correct them about the illegal copying thing because they watched Technology Connections' video. Thank you guys -_-
He probably meant to say that the black plastic differentiates original discs from copied ones, protecting you from buying illegally copied discs.
1:05 is where it is
"Black ink is added to the plastic t give the CD is distinctive cool, Playstation only look. This also helps protect the CD from illegal copying." ... Thats what they thought...
That's what they wanted people to think so that they'd waste their time dying their disc black
8 years goddam u prolly dead now
@@Noobface the fact the disc reads in a normal PC optical drive kinda disproves that theroy uh
"black ink is added to give it its playstation only look and protect it from piricy" no it doesn't.
yes it does; since it allowed customers to immediately recognize pirated games since the disc wasn't black.
Even at the time the PS1 launched, there already existed CD readers for PC's that could see right through the disc's dark coloring. In fact, the ink wasn't even black! It was dark purple!
yea but i think black is so we can recognize original from fake, black original ,others fakes ...black cds matter
The discs weren't even black, they were a translucent blue or purple.
Biriadan I worked for Sony, The black ink did not prevent anything other than looking cool yes you were right you could tell that it was a knock off copy but it wasn’t there to stop you
This is why SEGA didn't have a chance against the PlayStation brand. How much of a threat could they have been when Sony literally owned the means of production? Sony had everything they needed down to the raw materials, insane.
PlayStation is still at the forefront of optical disc production. 💪🏻
1994 - Born of the 8th wonder of the world.
Long live Sony. Ken Kutaragi was a mastermind.
I’m here because my 5yrs old nephew asked me how are PS disc games made after he played Horizon Zero Dawn and God of war with me
1:05 Boy that aged like fine wine. Not even black ink either, mostly purple. 😂
I know many others have pointed this out, but it does make sense that if you see the "black" ink actually functioning more as a built-in authenticity certificate to help consumers differentiate official releases from bootlegs, then the claim of it "protecting against illegal copying" isn't exactly wrong.
i will buy this plant and make the old ps1 games again
PS1....retro yet takes more than ages to getting soft-modded.
The wobble effect is still an effective way of copy protection which no one still didn't managed to break it without using any modchips. I wonder if someone came up with the idea of creating specialized blank CD-Rs with region encoding groove pre-written on it.
Every disc read by an optical laser wobbles 😂 what the hell are you talking about?
@@thischannelisdeleted yes but the PS1 discs intentionally wobble a certain way that can be amplitude (de)modulated to decode the ASCII bytes "SCEA" or "SCEE", depending on region.
The black ink has nothing to do with this however
That's so cool!
1:40 _Vee-Hickles..._
1:06 any modder knew that was fake, the plastic is just for making it cool and identify that the game is original and thats it
I have that demo disk shown being made, pretty awesome. Ps1 will always be my favorite console of all time, it's too bad I find myself playing on xbox more nowadays..
Your comment was made in 2011 I think, during the end of the Xbox 360/PS3 generation. How did you enjoy the PS4/XBO generation? Have you gotten into the PS5/XBS generation yet? Do you even play games anymore? I’m just curious since so much has happened since you made your comment. Xbox was definitely the go-to console that Gen.
When My Son, David, Wears A Yellow Zip-Up Hoodie With A Black Shirt And Black Vest, He Feels Like A PS1 Disc Because He Is Wearing Black Inside Of A Yellow Outfit
"This also protects it from illegal coping" *OBJECTION!*
I almost choked when I heard him say that. He said it with so much confidence too.
SUSTAINED!
@@MoistWontons unless they mean like "if you see a PS1 game without the black back you can know for sure it's pirate copy"
Except y'know game shark disc (not licensed but definitely not a "pirate" copy ;) or the square enix reprints
That's all I can think anyway.
I remember the playstation underground. Makes me wish I signed up
11 years wdf
From wikipedia
"Anyone seeking to create copies of games that would work correctly faced several issues at the time, as the discs that were produced by Sony were designed to be difficult to copy - and impossible to copy on recordable media. Discs were manufactured with a black-colored plastic, transparent only to the infrared radiation used by the CD-ROM drive's laser. This was found to offer little protection."
They added other things like dead code and areas too. Wiki it for the rest.
It's not black its actually a really dark purple. And it's obviously not gonna do shit it's invisible to infared so ofc it can read it. I don't think Sony actually intended it to be protection
It's now known that the black colour of a PS1 disc did nothing for copy protection, even the black, wasn't technically "black"
Thanks so much! I saw this video a long time ago... I'm so happy to see its not lost.
I think what they mean't about copy protection and black ink is more to help people and companies identify if they have a counterfeit game or not kind of like bank notes. At the time black ink on a disk was non existent to regular consumers and people couldn't just buy them off the shelf. Of course there was also copy protection code in the disk (which was eventually cracked)
Well, what they meant by that is that the CD looks distinctly different from a bootlegged copy because they added black dye to the disc. You may be able to get CDR's with black bottoms today, but back then, no.
One of the best anti piracy techniques ever still unique to this day the PS1 wobble effect if the disc didn't wobble inside it wouldn't play
Nigga what? 😂
The ATIP on a CD-R is encoded in a simular way. Wonder who came up with that one... Oh yeah- it was Sony!
Watching this from 2024
The black ink on the back of the CD doesn't protect it from 'illegal copying'.
When this video voiced by a cool Chad dude surfer dude guy makes more sense than the how it's made version.
Amazing, Interesting and to old :D
Great vid.
The Blue disks are Cd-Rom games and Silveris DVD-Rom
Dude lived in Oregon my whole life and this place is less then 1 hour from me and i never knew it. i was like i wonder how they do it. typed it in and wtf. crazy stuff. Id like to dumpster diver here. bet you would find tons of old games
Oh my....would you go there now and sniff around?
Alas, you won't find much, since this plant closed in 2003. The building now houses a PeaceHealth Clinic.
@@LukeBNSF oh well that makes since. They would closed when the ps1 was in rule. I was like 13 then. No wonder I never seen or herd of it
cool man.
playstation has always been the best.
The black discs were so cool at the time.
although i liked the ps2-cd (not the boring dvd)roms even better. The purple/blue shining was out of this world!
@JakubTilecky yeah, when I was younger I didn't know either.
The only things you need to remember is that if it has a Green label on the CD case, it's a Greatest Hits version(which is basically the same as the Nintendo Players Choice series on the NES , SNES, N64 and so on)
The CD will either be Silver with black print, or a solid Matte Black disc with White Print.
Woah, INTERESTING! Pretty neat.
PS2 DVD-ROM too no doubt.
Was This Video Recorded In The Mid- To Late-90s
@lb8068 They used blue ink on PS2 CDs, I think the Ink interfered with the lazer on DVD because the "tracks" on DVDs are coiled much tighter so it's why DVDs are always silver. But if you ever look at a DVDs silver side, there should be 6 PS logos refrecting off the back so you know it's authentic.
0:25 Isn't that bitpattern wrong?
What? No, most discs don't have any sort of dye in them, but the PS1 discs do, and the dye oxidizes after some years.
Goes back in time and gets job at factory. Produces a shit ton of extra copies of tronbone and suikoden 2 to bring back to current time.
Yes, look at them, they're shiny, that's the underside of the sticker, most are see-through, or have an aluminum-looking thing in them.
Awesome.
I wasnt saying anything about copying the data just ment making black disks. It wasnt for a while that other companys started making the black disks.
Just like mine! Sure they have scratches, but they still work good! =) Sony should bring back the black disc for the PS3. Just for having their discs black for no clear reason. Early PS2 discs that were in CD format were blue before they had that metallic color.
Its rumoured the next gen PS4 will have similar looking discs and well as a modern retro PSX like console. Can't wait for e3 2013!!!
cool 😊
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They were but they used to break soooo easily. I do miss laying them though.
The black doesn't give it copy protection, it's just to look stylish. I used to copy and burn those master cd's all the time back in the day.
I live around Springfield Oregon, but I never knew this was here. huh.
PlayStation Underground
i love this video
I want a new set of sequels for Star Trek Invasion. TM. PS one💿🎮 🛣️✈️🚉
that is impressive!
I would love to see how cartridges were made
Look at pcb fabrication. It's basically that
That is awesome
@youcantubeittoo
The color did nothing to change the refractive properties of the disc as far as the read head was concerned instead it was to allow a consumer to tell if they were buying a bootleg copy.
The actual copy protection was pretty simple yet effective for the time an original disc would have some of the sectors contain a zeroised EDC/ECC checksum normally these are never zero.
That's just sonys disc mastering software it sucked.
You can burn whatever EDC/ECC you want .. this would do nothing for protection
Seems like it's only the black dye they put in, Mine don't even have anything noticeable on them, but I've read that they should play back fine. (Although I've had slow reading speed on one of them, could be a scratch.)
If i ever make any LP my cd will be that color and blue red grey green chlorine blue far as album concept and vibe and for album art
playstation underground still remains but it totally online and nothing like it was.
according to tips and tricks those discs still used the PS1 format.
1997-1998
they are liars the black cd is just there to look cool it does not affect anything
Lol the hair part made me realize how easily we ruined games back in the day that didn’t look scratched up
That's what the transparent plastic is for. It protects the thing from being totally destroyed instantly
lol in all fairness we haven't seen the back of one just yet. If it is, that would be so awesome.
I was right about the modern retro look though ^^
Ah thanks!
JUST WOW
looks like cd plants like these will be sleep forever soon enough
it was a interactive demo
Hey, Interactive Sampler 3, I have it. :D
Does any body know where I can get tinted blank CDs?
@Berniebud i have say if they have a video where it show how the blu rays are made
YYEEEAAAHHH!!!!!
''Helps from illegal copying'' LOOOOL Yea right
Helps to inform costumers if the disc is legit
@@markusTegelane yeah it's like those old windows install discs
Though all CD-Rs have a green tint to them due to the heat sensitive dye on them.. and obviously DVD-Rs are somewhat famously purple
This topic is hard to find on the web. I just wonder why they can’t be copied and what measures do they take ?
Actually, you're wrong. :D
The reason Playstation 1 discs were coloured black was copyright protection. They spent ridiculous amounts of money to figure out how to make them and a laser that read them... however... it took weeks to crack and find a way around.
Also, extra code was around the edge of the disc to stop copyright protection, by using a sharpie they got around this(May have been PS2)
The more you know!
So your telling me they invested so much R&D into making a disc that only their laser would be able to read and just *forgot* to try popping it in an off the shelf CD ROM drive and see it reads absolutely no problem?
It isn't, it's on the old PS1 format, according to tips and tricks (I have the issue where that question was answered in the letters to the editors section but it may take me a while to find it again).
Such a shame because Wrath of Cortex had better graphics and an annoying load time and I bet if they used the DVD format the loading time would've been a lot less.
1:12 A BIG LIE
:O..how can i request some or in the package?
Wo finde ich dich nicht!? Was just browsing and then... you again XD
@ScrewAttackEurope looked like playstation underground magazine cd to me
If you get that blu ray you could make pirated copies of a game
actualy blue ps2 disks were cd ps2 games like leggo starwars the first one it said on the box compact disk (cd) however a game like ratchet and clank had a clear disk and said dvd. so not all ps2 games were made on dvd.
So how dose the game go from the developers PCs to the disc. Do the developers hand over there files to be written to the discs
The developer would write the final code to a master disc and send over a set to Sony to be manufactured.
1:37 i have 2 of those lol!
1:37
why did they stop using the black dye? it used to be sooo cool
They still are playable after two years. The disks should be able to oxidize right away, don't you think?
Pressed CDs last for .. somewhat long time
If it wasn't for illegal disk copying, we wouldn't still be able to play Rival schools anymore; Not even on out PSPs due to Capcom not being able to get the rights to it anymore.
it isnt black ink.. why does everyone say this? its a purple polymer added to the polypropylene as it leaves the hopper..
What? That black color is just a paint job? 🖤😅
once even m2o his cd produced them so .. :')
What was the game they were printing?
funny I have Memorex CDR with the black coding lol
PlayStation-only? You can buy black CD-Rs!
Today, sure, but back when the PSOne was relatively new (1994), CD-R wasn't even available for private consumers, and all CD-ROM's at the time were shiny. I was 8 years old at the time, and I was pretty awestruck when I first saw the color of the PSOne discs.
how cute did you get offended by the PS only line........
Well he or she's using a Rayman 1 icon. So it'd probably be best not to assume he or she is an Xbox fan.
fekkin awesome.
@JakubTilecky to je platium verze, melo by to tam bejt napsaný
@sgtpumkin123 2 years later and the disks begin to oxidize.
Cool I want to work there, to get the Games cheaper than others... maybe^^
@JakubTilecky Greatest hits version.
Why did they get rid of the black ink?
Because DVD ROM uses a red laser if it's black that means it's opaque to visible light (that's why we see it black .. ). Red or Blue would never get through.
The 'black ink' is actually a sort of dark violet color but it still would probably block too much light but it's invisible to infared. Which is why its able to work on PS1.