Mike Ditka vs. Buddy Ryan: The Beginning of the Rivalry | NFL Films | The Timeline: The Fog Bowl
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- In 1986 Buddy Ryan left the Bears and became Head Coach on the Philadelphia Eagles. Two years later he met Mike Ditka and the Bears in the playoffs but the bad blood started well before that.
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Buddy took the game that they lost VERY SERIOUS. Towards the end of the interview when he said "It doesn't hurt" he looks ready to tear up. He took the loss pretty hard.
Ma007rk
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Nothing gets by u....smart as a rock
How did you even notice that!
Ma007, I never have even imagined that Buddy would take that loss poorly. I just figured it was just another game to him.
Thanks for educating me.
He was emotional for his young players of that EAGLES team. They played their hearts out is what he took so hard.
As much as they despised each other, Mike and Buddy accomplished more together than they did apart.
But only Ditka was able to acknowledge that. Ryan couldn't.
Exactly a great offensive mind in Mike ditka and one of the greatest defensive minds in football history in Buddy Ryan equated in a superbowl in 85
Always felt like the only thing that could beat them that year was marinos quick release and Dwight Stephenson the hall of fame center who actually opposed the 46 defence and probably one of the only answers to such a dominant defence
@@lildic0146 Great offensive mind?? The GOAT Walter Payton was already there and it's not like the Bears became some passing machine. How was that great Ditka offense in New Orleans?
@@stephendrawdy724 never said Ditka was good in New Orleans and all that attention that the opposing team put on pwaltet Peyton is what allowed the hicago pass game to thrive ,the opposing teams would overload the box cause they were scared of the run with gave receivers 1on 1s
Actually, the beginning of the rivalry was when Mike Ditka was named the head coach of the Bears.
Buddy the defensive mind to ever be
True.....Buddy wanted the job and was resentful he didn’t get it.
Yet Buddy chose to stay around for four season under Ditka
💯
While Mike Ditka and Buddy Ryan were bickering like teenagers, Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, and Joe Gibbs were busy winning Super Bowls.
Exactly. Honestly if Mcmahon stayed injury free, the Bears would have won more super bowls. Their defense was still excellent without Ryan
Terrell Oliver His point is that Parcells, Walsh and Gibbs won multiple SBs while Ditka and Ryan couldn't win w/out each other. Ditka deserves exactly 0 credit for the '85 season. That was all Buddy's D and McMahon ignoring Ditka's awful play calling and calling his own plays.
Goombah Marcel it's a universal fact that defense won them the super bowl
dennis gadulka yea but it was good for fooball
Yup. Gibbs was especially interesting because he delegated responsibilities and knew to stay out of his lane. He was the offensive genius but he let Pettibone do his thing one defense.
Ditka and Ryan needed each-other. However, neither one of them realized it, and in the process the Bear defense left Chicago, when Buddy left the Bears.
When you have the best defense ever, there is only one direction to go.
Even a third grader can figure that out.
After Ditka retired he said "I didn't win another Super Bowl without him and he didn't win one without me. It was symbiotic."
to be fair statistically speaking the bears defense was better the following years after 85, but their offense was worse so they couldn't get it done. in 85 the bears had a top 5 offense in the years after it wasn't even top half of the league..........the defense didn't leave with buddy but the offense wasn't good enough anymore to help the defense out the way it did in 85.
@@billbeliakoff5589 Buddy built another great defense in another city. What did Ditka do without Ryan except embarrass himself in New Orleans?
@@stephendrawdy724 How far did Ryan go without Ditka ? They didn't go far without each other did they ?
“You dummy you could of had a head coaching job and you saved him” 😂😂😂damn
Lol I know right
This whole feud reminds me of David Lee Roth vs. Van Halen. Buddy Ryan was Diamond Dave and 86-92 Ditka became Van Hagar. In both relationships, neither one had as much success alone and their egos didn't allow them to acknowledge that.
The NFL was so amazing back in the 80's and 90's. These were just two grumpy old football geniuses with massive egos enjoying their day in the sun.
And the early 2000s
Pretty much what started it all is that when Neil Armstrong was fired(head coach before Ditka) George Halas personally told his defensive players that there coaches would be back next season. So when Mike Ditka was hired he inherited a defensive staff and could not hire his own defensive assistant coaches. When a new head coach has to keep a previous staff and hire his own there can be problems. And FWIW it was the defensive players who wrote a letter to Halas to encourage him to keep the defensive staff as they felt they were getting better.
Alan Page and the other defensive players at the time wrote Halas a letter and begged him to keep Buddy. Halas was impressed and didn't fire him.
Ditka wanted the bears to switch to the cowboy style.
Buddy disagreed.
Buddy was a great defensive coach. One of the great defensive minds EVER!
As long as he didn’t have to Montana or Marino.
@@mrHoppedupford Marino could have met the bears in the 85 superbowl but he CHOKED against the Patriots at home and the dolphins got stomped 38 to 14 at home in miami! How embarrassing! Then the bears stomped the Patriots 46-10! You still wanna run your mouth? Buddy got his super bowl ring! Marino got nothing!
2:05 Not really explosive, just Randall making plays any way possible because Buddy didn't pay attention to the offense
I agree with you, and that's about the consensus when it comes to Buddy Ryan's interest in that side of the ball.
The irony is if Buddy had simply hired some offensive specialist, someone like Mike Martz or Jim Caldwell, (not literally them but their mid 80's equivalent) and delegated total responsibility to him (like he expected from Ditka) the Eagles probably win a couple super bowls
Hands down one of the best football stories ever!
Agreed!!!!
Still the ONLY 2 coaches to be carried off the field after a super bowl
Breen Machine wtf r u talking about
I Gather you didn't watch Super Bowl 20
there has been about 15 coaches Landry,Parcells,Walsh,Gibbs
He means at the same time.
Wrong lol
Bears fans will forever love Buddy Ryan
so will us eagle fans who remember him.
Nope.
Nautilus1972 fake fan
We didn't win a Superbowl with Buddy...but damn he gave us some very good times.
eagles team in the early 90s was a great team. I never understood why thy just couldn't win
i love football and all the drama
I love football but don't like the drumma
Buddy is my favorite football personality ever
wow, you got issues.
Buddy Ryan #1
@@pretorious700 maybe you do.
pretorious700 salty patriots fan who watched the 85 super bowl detected
Buddy looked like he was gonna cry after he lost to Ditka
Buddy Ryan used Jerry Glanvile’s defense and became popular. Look up the Gritz Blitz!!
Ted Plumb is hilariously funny. Could I imagine how much fun it would be having a few cold ones listening to his stories? I kept going back to hear the choke story. Then I almost choked.
"I know it was you Buddy , you broke Mike's heart"
We loved buddy in Philly
This was when the NFL was still the NFL
The whole feud was one-sided in my opinion. Buddy Ryan was pissed off at the fact that the late George Halas named Mike Ditka the head coach of the Bears and not him so his grudge in many ways was with George Halas and not Mike Ditka. So Buddy Ryan took out the animosity and made it a personal grudge against George Halas through Mike Ditka.
Miller2h41 true but that's why Buddy was carried off by his team and Mike wasn't.
And Ditka more than likely didn't like him because Papa George made Ditka keep him and the entire defensive coaching staff. Ditka didn't get to name his own coaching staff. When that happens there is bound to be tension. And I thing Halas didn't name Buddy because the Bears had been a pretty bad team in 1981 with a weak offense so he needed a coach with that background
@@williamjackson5421 no they both were...
If Ryan had a grudge against Halas, it was a slight one. Whenever someone asked, "Buddy, how was it working for Mike Ditka?" his reply was always, "I didn't work for Mike Ditka. I worked for George Halas and the McCaskeys."
@@williamjackson5421 - Are you stupid? They were carried off, side-by-side.
Why am I only seeing these NFL classic films now lol so much history & nostalgia
"Their has been no rivalries in over 100 years!" -also Mike Ditka
my family's from Chicago and my parents still talk about this game all the time lol
Ditka is the kind of guy who gives u something to think about and gives u the answer too 🤣
0:28 is how I like to believe my dog greets me when I come home.
I absolutely love Randall Cunningham he is the Original Michael Vick and he is the first man that ever ran for 1000 yards as a quarterback. He also holds the record for the longest point in NFL history and the longest pass. If only he had wide receivers
Thank you! I literally had to argue w a cowboys fan of course🤣 about this that cunningham was the first!
He came close but not 1000 yds
I loved Buddy he was good for football
I feel like commentators were so much better back then. Less bias and sensational. They’re over the top now.
damn you can tell buddy really wanted to win that football game
And lost like he usually did
Well of course, but then again he wanted to win every football game.
Anyone here live in Philly ? If so, remember that tool bag Norman Braman ??? Mr. Lurie saved football in Philadelphia : )
Ehhhh.... I do and Jeff won one Superbowl in like 25 years man lol
When I saw the title "beginning of the rivalry" I was expecting it to be about while they were both coaching the bears
Same. They already had problems back then.
Everybody in Chicago knows that Buddy Ryan was the true head coach of the bears in terms of pure x’s and o’s. Ditka was the personality
We needed buddy and ditka to get along we could have had more Super Bowl wins
That Eagles Rap actually sounds better than most rap songs on radio today.
Just sayin'
Ben V you ain’t lying dawg
Big Facts
😂😂😂
East Coast Rap was da bomb in the late '80's, and the Eagles rap song was a prime example. DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince was anotha.
try metsmerized, the best baseball rap.
The grass is never greener on the other side especially when you have greatness on your hands
Buddy Ryan was a great defensive coach, indifferent to offense. Ditka was just a dummy who lucked into a good team. His Saints tenure showed what a joke he was.
Mike ditka is a arrogant ass show off, that's why when buddy left in 1986 he couldn't win in the playoffs
How did Buddy's tenure in Arizona go? He was a joke. You can't win by coaching one side of the ball. The guy never won a playoff game.
thfzn What's your point? He said Buddy was indifferent to offense. Buddy's failures don't make Ditka's failures successes. Pzsoke is right. Ditka lucked into a good team that had a magical year.
Musicvidsetc Ditka built that team. He didn't luck into anything. The Bears were terrible before he was coach. Bears were good for an extended period of time after Ryan left. If QB stays healthy the Bears probably win at least one more in a era of really great teams (Giants, 49ers, Redskins)
Pksoze difference is that Ditka won a SB as a head coach, Buddy is a loser
3:50 is that a young Lester Holt?
Yeah it was. Because Lester Holt did work for WBBM-TV in 1986 to 2000
Nice Magnum 'stache
HOLY COW YOUR RIGHT
Duh !!
Ditka had cuban cigars and Louis XIII in his office. Times have definitely changed
I'd love to have either one today, we have Mr. Rogers coaching the bears
*Peewee Herman
I know some critics will say that Buddy Ryan underachieved as head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, but man,...I enjoyed watching Buddy Ball! I honestly can't recall too many football games in which the Eagles lost badly. Of course, I remembered to this day the 20-6 loss and blunder against the Redskins. What can I say, Joe Gibbs coaching style at that time was only 2nd to Bill Walsh. Buddy Ryan at that time was going up against a genius head coach and Buddy did not X and O too well. At that time, the Eagles were touted as the best team no one wanted to play against during the 1990 playoffs. And shortly Buddy got fired. To this day, I still wish that the Eagles did not fire Ryan. It may have not made a difference against the Cowboys becoming a dynasty, but it would have been much more exciting than the coach Kotite debacle Eagles fans had to endure. The Eagles definitely lost most of their identity without Buddy Ryan after 1990. That period was hard to swallow for a lot of Philly fans. But oh well.
Hey! We finally got it (Lombardy trophy)... But those times were definitely dark for an Eagles fan. Buddy Ryan was definitely a great defensive coach but I was definitely Amazed by Jim Johnson as well... And now we got Jim Schwartz
Feels pretty good to be an Eagles fan nowadays.
But after all these years we finally got the trophy...
Buddy & Mike were like Gilbert & Sullivan. Buddy & Mike were great together, but hated each other. Gilbert & Sullivan made great music, but hated each other
With that Eagles cap, Buddy Ryan looks like Herman Goering.
LOL!
When the two were in Chicago, Ditka would be like Super Dave and Buddy would be like Fuji.
He does😂
Lol Jesus he does
Buddy Ryan's eagles outfit on the thumbnail is Cold!
That jacket and outfit was top notch sports drip.
Fuck we could have had more then 1 ring if their rivalry stayed off the court
"It doesn't hurt"
Buddy looks like he just put his dog to sleep 😆
Little more Buddy and Mike would be great now of days.
Steve McMichael is Ralph Wiggum grown up.
We need more Singletons and Ryan's in football. That's what made the league great before politics.
Check out those knitted team sweaters they're both rockin' in the thumbnail. All coaches should have to wear one, and all teams should be required to make a rap song against their rivalry lol
A football life buddy Ryan would be very interesting
Buddy looks like Wendy's founder Dave Thomas.
Exactly!! That’s what I was trying to place...😂
Ryan cost the Bears a perfect season by consistently blitzing the fastest release in the NFL. Oh to have a healthy McMahon for that game and just let the front four do their job ...
All ditka said was put in the nickel
3:53 My god that's Lester Holt
It is. He work there WBBM-TV Channel 2 Chicago CBS from 1986 to 2000.
Complete with the 1980s Chicago Mustache.
Too bad they couldn't realize they were great together, a formidable duo.
This is a classic
Buddy was such a great coach, it only took him 20 years as an assistant to get a head coaching job.
He accomplished more without Ditka than Ditka did without him. Facts.
@@stephendrawdy724That’s not a fact. Ditka was 4 - 0 vs Ryan. The Bears had 5 seasons with double digit wins after Ryan left. Ryan never won a playoff game with the most talented D in the league and the most electrifying QB at the time.
0:18 Jerry Jones basically stole "Zeke who" from Buddy Ryan and y'all are gonna ignore it?
Kinda of a commonly used burn on someone
3:49 Young Lester Holt.
Anthony Lynn and Steve Wilks going at it in Practice GOOOOO FAITHFUL
Astro turf at Soldier Field...that had to hurt
even though am a Liverpool football supporter, the things Everton do for EX players, in UK the Vance would have been helped, what a sweet man.......and courage, thankfully he played for the Broncos and the Amigos xx
3:49 am I the only person who noticed Lester Holt and his mustache?
Chicago Born and Raised. Ditka is still adored in Chicago, but often wonder if HoF RB (Payton) and amazing D covered up his poor play calling/coaching? FOG BOWL was 1st NFL/Football game I ever saw...eerie experience. (BEAR DOWN)
Great video!!
There will never be 2 coach's on the bears like this again.those 2 where great and they needed each other not to be apart.
That song is absolutely hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Buddy did some good things as a DC, exceptional in 84 & 85, but failed in Houston and Phoenix. Never won a playoff game as a head coach.
Buddy's watching 👀 you
Because of Ditka's petty jealousy of Ryan, he abandoned the "46" defense as soon as Ryan left - and never got near a Super Bowl, again. That team should have won at lest three more, in a row. FACT: The following season after the Super Bowl win, the Bears actually used the "46" defense 27 times, with no play gaining positive yardage, 9 sacks, 8 turnovers, with 5 forced fumbles and 3 picks with two for TD's. Tom Landry once stated that he had three great defenses - the Doomsday, Umbrella and Flex - and he didn't change them until the NFL caught up with them. But not Cementhead Ditka...............SMH.............
Buddy should have remained in Chicago; but I can give Buddy Ryan pointers for perusing his dream of wanting to be a Head-coach in the NFL. But he was a better Defensive Coordinator, versus Head-coach. He should have been inducted into the Hall Of Fame, as a Defensive Coordinator. Because Ryan and Ditka assembled the best defense there ever was, and they won a championship in 1985, together. Ryan and Ditka needed each-other.
Buccaneers 2002.
4:40 was legendary😂😂😂😂
DUDE IS THAT LESTER HOLT!!! 3:50
Mike Ditka would DESTROY Buddy Ryan. If you are a football fan, watch highlights of Ditka play. He was a BEAST. For someone my age (born in 1987), I have only known Mike Ditka as a football coach, and a television analyst. I knew he played for Bears and Cowboys at end of his career. But i never really watched him play. After watching him play, he was an undeniably GREAT, tough, dominant, and smart football player. Buddy Ryan seemed to be a very good coach and tactician, but he does not compare to Mike Ditka.
Buddy wanted the head coaching job .To be honest Mike was the best for the bears period
Eagles had some good teams in that era but the NFC was so loaded at that time.
Only sucky team in the East was the Cowboys and they came along just a few years later. NFC East was a Beast
Buddy cost us the perfect season. Wouldn't stop blitzing the fastest release in the league.
Indeed! If I did a Top 5 Reasons You Can't Blame the Bears for not winning a second Super Bowl, *Dan Marino* is *#3*
@No Name Can't blame Ditka for losimg players, that was the Halas family holding the purse strings. Ditka was an under-rated coach - few men alive could have coralled such a bunch of wild horses and make them pull in the same direction.
Jim McMahon didn't play in that game against Miami.
A great defensive coach who was over his head as a head coach.
I still remember that sign in Arizona. "Buddy Ball is Dud Ball." LOL
Ditka made for good copy but his legacy has to include leaving 1-2 (or 3?) Super Bowls on the table in the 80s. He gets a pass because '85 was magical but Chicago should have had more than one trophy.
I hope they do a Football Life - Buddy Ryan
Me too...
I hope they do a football life the life of a football
Items of Interest to show him never winning a playoff game?
8948u
I am sad that Jim Shorts, & Chet Chitchat was not a part of this show.
Kev Heads must UNITE!!!
That Philly Team Shoulda Had A Ring😈
Bears fan here. Ditka is one of the most overrated NFL coaches of all time. Only won one super bowl. Ryan's defense was necessary for the Bears to be a dynasty, but too much ego got in the way
If you're a Bears fan
The QB injuries were the reason da Bears didn't win multiple SB's
Only won one super bowl. That is more than 99% of coaches win. It was not Ditka's fault McMahon could not stay healthy.
Man oh man that 1985 bears team was stacked and full of talent....After winning superbowl 20 and letting buddy ryan leave for the eagles, the bears never won another superbowl again...shame on the bears for letting buddy ryan leave and had buddy ryan stayed the bears couldve won many superbowls....rip buddy ryan....
@Moe Snert true that...bears have some bad coaching thru the years..
mcmichael went to super cuts and said.... give me the MOE
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well it happens again
Bears vs eagles in playoffs history repeats itself
Yall thought that song was cheesy go check out Ram It by the Rams in the mid 80s lol
Ditka was right. Neither one of them won squat without each other.
Dan Hampton-What a disgrace. Even Mongo said DUI Dan was wrong for creating huge conflict in the locker room.
That coach was gonna cry that’s the coach I won’t Mann as a giants fan
Is that cataldi at :05? Christ that guy's been a God damn menace to our teams forever.
Randall Cunningham and Ken Griffey Jr could be twins.
Is that a young Rex at 1:38?
Ryan Evans yep
Ryan Evans good eye
Buddy Ryan one of the all-time biggest jerks in all of sports. Truth be told while the Bears were competitive for many years after super bowl XX. That being said Ditka never won the big one ever again without Buddy. Buddy was the mastermind behind that legendary Defense.
I’m sure the multiple hall of fame players and pro bowlers didn’t have anything to do with it
gotta love mike ditka, reminds me of my dad with the cigars and whiskey
John Cusak is the narrator. Great actor. Mike was a Great coach...but so was Buddy.