Pride Is For Everyone
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- this video is very gay. happy pride month.
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Pride is something that should bring people together , not tear them apart.
A turtle agrees
I concur.
But it can cause confusion
I completely agree, I mean that’s kinda the point of The Pride or Black Lives Matter movements, that we should all be treated fairly and if we work together we as humanity can do great things as corny as that is to say. I mean it’s not the main point of those movements but I digress. Happy Pride month everybody
Same could be said for allot pf groups, but i think its human nature at this point that some people just look for a reason to segrigate and seperate
“Y’all gotta stop making non binary into a binary.” -perfection.
Exactly im ninbinary and people treat me like im either a girl nonbinary or a girlnonbinary like tf
Hope everyone is doing good ❤
@@zacharynguyen7286see you've been going around the comment section spreading this comment. Keep it up,you're doing a great job 💜
I noticed every few years or so every sexuality gets shat on for no reason.
On tumblr a few years back it was asexuality and I dont get why this behavior is a thing
Yeah! I think now its aromantics and bisexuals that are specifically getting crapped on. trans people too they always get bullied and made to feel like crap sadly
The asexual stuff is still very much around too
@@fawn9483 as an aromantic bisexual, I can confirm.
i’ve blocked so many tags on tumblr just to avoid having to hear people shit on asexuality, but even that doesn’t stop the fact that people will still reblog from aphobic bloggers that i’ve blocked. (i’m assuming this happens because people don’t realize that the op is aphobic, but it’s annoying that even though they’re blocked, i still see their posts on my dash.)
because of most of the aphobia happening when i was starting to come out to people, i kind of have a hypersensitivity to certain posts and bloggers on tumblr and it is tiring. i just... don’t go on tumblr very much anymore as a result, even though the worst of it happened like, 5 years ago.
@@lilyhat I go through the same thing! I'm aro/ace and I was surprised to hear acephobes exist, I mean I kinda knew they existed but I thought there where just... Not a lot of em, but nope! exclusionists still very much exist sadly ☹️
"I don't want to be tolerated, bitch, I want to be accepted"
thank you so much for this joey, as a bisexual living in a predominantly patriarchal Asian country, the most we could get is tolerance. really needed to hear this ;-;
THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE!! So many people in this community want to be "taken seriously" when "taken seriously" means appealing to our oppressor's gaze. I say FUCK THAT. You don't gotta like me or my way of living, just let me live bitch!
Hope you are doing good ❤
Also, side comment, people can suck in every community. Bein' LGBTQ doesn't grant you a shield from controversy or criticism
Edit: Criticism doesn't mean having free range to be an asshat to peeps, just making sure y'all are clear on that
that's facts.
A turtle approves of criticism
@@TurtleChad1 but your comments says otherwise
*SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY!*
That is so true
As a lesbian, we don't claim the chicks who're mad about the mlm flag.
Yeah that’s always confused me tbh who tf cares if it’s a recolor or tooth paste it’s a fokin flag
Lesbians upset over achillean relationships? That's hella stupid since more gay men=more available women or something
@@damnbro_idc Well those lesbian who are mad aren't mad at gay men, just at the flag that represents them. This joke only works for homophobic lesbians
I actually prefer the cinthean flag
@@dominickperez2952 yeah, I watched the video too. I thought I would make an unfunny joke. So neither of us contributed anything to the discussion 👏
as a trans lesbian, flag discourse is really pointless to me. personally, i'd rather worry about, oh, i don't know, the fact people in government are taking my rights away
preach
LITERALLY! Who gives a fuck about the colors?? 😭
Truer words have never been said.
@@soddingtic-tac9528 it sucks that he did that but im not american
That is horrible to hear. As a cis straight ally, I wish I could somehow relate to what you’re feeling. You are a human, deserving the same rights as me or anyone else on this planet. There are people that love and support you. ❤️❤️❤️
"You don't have to understand them, you just need to respect them."
- Princess Bubblegum
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS
MY EXACT THOUGHTS i use that quote all the time
The only time I don't want PB to die
@@LeHolyForg WHAT?!
As someone who is pan, I get so tired when people fight about the validity of bisexuality and pansexuality! Bi and pan is similar, so we should be friends!
As a pan myself I completely agree with you it's tiring fighting for some validation so for a change it's nice to see someone speak up about us and the fact that bi and pan can be united as one
I’m pan and agree too, fighting about this is pointless and tiring
It’s just confusing. He defends the different terms in the video by talking about them more as an aesthetic difference, so they basically mean the same thing? “Person who is attracted to two or more genders”
As a bi person, 100% agree! So many of our struggles are the same, there's no reason for us not to stand together!
@@dally1398 It's important to remember that these categories are Descriptive, not Prescriptive. Sure, there's a lot of overlap in the definitions, and a lot of us could probably be accurately categorized as either, and that's ok. Both options are valid and deserving of respect.
I'm bi, I've identified as that years before I even heard the term pansexual, it's still just as accurate as it's ever been so anytime my sexuality comes up, I'm going to honestly say bi. But I also meet the definition of pansexual. That's ok. Both options are valid, what matters is respecting both, even if it's not easy to look at a group of bi and pan people and be able to easily categorize us. You don't need to worry about deciding what term applies to us, you just have to ask us.
Also this community does have problems in how they treat us trans men. It’s rarely talked and I think it reflects on how little newer members of the lgbt community know our history
It's really sad
I've seen people defend others in the community excluding us from events "because we're men"
Like yeah, but we're also trans and excluding us from LGBT exclusive events is ☆◇transphobic◇☆. Their excuse is "but they're not men lite, they're still men". Do they not hear themselves? We get no safe spaces and apparently we're not even welcome in our own community. We can't go to cis/het men spaces, transphobes don't like trans men, either. Sure we're not men lite, but we're still trans and we're still at more risk of violence and discrimination vs our cis counterparts
We basically only get affirmation when it's being used to keep us out of our own community
Yea especially the demonization of vaginas by gay men :/
Wow I didn't know that trans men faced such discrimination from the community. And some of my friends are trans men. I guess I need to do more research ...
YES AS A TRANS MAN IM SO TIRED OF IT
@@ill_eat_your_ego8420 what?
Gay Twitter just sucks. On Twitter you can always find any horrible stupid opinion you can imagine getting expressed without much pushback, and when you apply that to the gay community it just becomes a rabid gatekeepy mess of teenagers desperately trying to shrink the in-group of being a “good” gay.
Twitter is pure stress in general
Lmfao twitter just sucks in general
Twitter is, in my opinion, Bigot Tumblr on steroids
@@soingpop5315 Instagram is bigot Facebook on the super soldier serum
You can thank the Tumblrites for that.
Rememeber: children aren't a gender
looking at you TWITTER
Wait what-
@@aggable Facts
Animals arent a gender either
@@ryanvasquez2914 You're completely right bro.
Neither are people with disabilities 😢
Edit: just to clarify, someone told me my comment seemed confusing so I just want to go in more detail about what I mean. I am in no way comparing children to people with disabilities. All I mean is that people with disabilities shouldn't be sexualized, just like children.
Children are not a gender (MAP's are NOT acceptable)
Disabilities and Mental Illnesses are not a gender (Autismsexual and etcetera are NOT acceptable)
Animals and non-humans are NOT. GENDERS. (Zoophiles aren't acceptable either).
To anyone who may have taken it the wrong way, I apologize! I swear I had no intent for it to be rude or insulting to those with disabilities or mental illnesses. That's all! ❤
As a lesbian, I really don’t see a problem with the mlm flag
I don’t even understand the lesbians that say that the colors are ugly, like, ok, but that’s not your flag
LITERALLY. Some dumbasses are really acting like a 5-stipe or 7-stripe flag with a white stripe in the middle is an original concept that only belongs to lesbians. Meanwhile, the bear flag has been around a lot longer than the two most popular lesbian flags, and us bears aren't claiming that we own a whole flag format.
The mlm flag is soo handsome :D
-a lesbian
I think the colors look really nice ☺️
the flag reminds me of these peppermint and dark chocolate biscuits I used to get when I was little and it makes me happy
As a lesbibab (as far as I can tell) I love the mlm flag it's so nice to look at, the cool colours are lovely
i’m a lesbian, and brooo the 14 year old twitter lesbians want to be oppressed so bad. like yeah we have our own problems within the community (like our flag not being included in pride posts/celebrations, which i’ve actually seen less of since the new flag has gotten more popularized which is great), but the mlm flag is literally harmless. especially now that i know that it was literally created first, i never knew that before
as a resident 14 year old twitter lesbian , yea i agree. if someones got problems with the origin of a flag (like how the lipstick lesbian flag stopped being used in favor of the newer one because of the creator) it makes sense but other than that choose whatever u want to represent urself
even if it wasn't created first it's not like it's less valid. they represent different groups who should share solidarity.
The mlm flag has always been around though
@@tempest206 not against it but i'm fairly sure that the blue one is newish?
Every girl who I've had a crush on has been a 14 year old twitter lesbian who came out to me so I have a raging vendetta against all lesbians now for the rest of my life. (I am a 14 year old boy so I'm not a pedophile I swear)
as a lesbian, i love the gay flag. it’s so cute. i think it’s cool that our flags are similar yet different. some lesbians need to just uhhh shut up not everything is an attack on us lmao
ty oguhghgh its sadly not even the wlw community, some mlm say it’s disrespectful which is weird
i love the colors on it.
I'm not going to lie (i am a lesbian) when i found out about the term Achillean (for MLM) and the gay flag i was so stupidly happy man. bc the gay flag i knew was the general pride flag and to find they had their own just made me so happy.
Honestly as a lesbian I think it is a great flag and I really like it.
Another lesbian here: I agree so much. Why are you pressed over a flag that isn’t even for you? Life is too short for you to be fighting within your community.
Calling hariyanna hook “pretty lady”.... YOUVE GOT ME HOOKED
RIGHT 😭
Omg thank you, I was trying to figure out where I recognized her from
Surprised you didn’t mention the bi people who get isolated cos they’re “not gay enough” or “just gay, but in denial” cos of that stuff I don’t really feel bi anymore and just go with “Queer”
Edit: Thanks for all the likes! It’s also sad that so many people resonate with this tho, hope you guys are doing okay
Bisexuals with a preference with the opposite sex are valid.
Bisexuals with a preference for the same sex are valid.
Bisexuals with no preferences are valid.
There is nothing wrong with being bisexuals. Bisexuals are complete and 100% bisexual. Not some confuse half straight/half gay. You shouldn’t be ashamed to call yourself bi!
I was more surprised to not hear about the whole corrective r*pe, guilt-tripping and coercing into s*x campaign towards lesbians who don't want transwomen and (much less so) towards gay men who don't want trans men. Haven't considered myself as a part of LGBT+ for years because of it, is it over or something? Or people just have been successfully gaslight as of now?
@@anhelaanhela4996 I think would probably have to be it’s own video since there’s a lot to cover. You should make one yourself (if you want) with all the research and such. It would make for a very informative learning experience.
Asexuals too. I've told people I'm asexual and the responses are maybe you're a lesbian since you don't feel attraction to men. And i have to repeat myself saying I don't feel sexual attraction to anyone.
- If you’ve personally been hated on by other LGBT+ people, I am sincerely sorry. That said, remember that these outcries against bi, pan, non-binary, etc. are only a vocal minority of LGBT+ people, just like the horror stories of any fandom. We’ve certainly been over this here of all channels. For every hater, there’s thousands of people on your side. Personally, I don’t believe in the idea of an LGBT+ “community”, I just know that LGBT+ people exist and some group together to discuss issues. It prevents me from being distraught at the presence of division and conflict. For instance, a biphobic gay person is no worse than a biphobic straight person, if you remove your expectations of “togetherness” that come with a singular community. Not to mention that TERFs of every gender and sexuality exist, and are the main threat to LGBT+ people because of their influence. The idea of a monolithic LGBT+ community also makes it easier for reactionaries to push the idea that we’re pushing an “agenda”, particularly onto kids.
I find it funny how people have been using the whole “my sexuality doesn’t affect your life why do you care so much” phrase then go out of their way too hate on their own community and argue about someone else’s sexuality or gender as if they know more about someone else’s identity than the actual person
Ditto. I've been insulted in my class for being straight. And also called homophobic cuz I'm straight. Or I usually end up in the wrong lot,both in real life in the internet. And I'm sorry for the behalf of those people who are real and common sense people,be it if their straight or homosexual,some people just like to destroy everything...we're not living in an ideal world but at least try to not have people like what I talk about to make the world nicer
@@chesceaktv889 wow, the people you've been around are some real snowflakes 🤢
They want equality then act like this💀 embarrassing.
@@z.6480 not everyone does this lmao
@@derpyliciousmiku I'm very aware of that, I'm talking about the people in the video.
Using Thee/Thy is gender neutral and makes the christians feel awkward. Is tops
/sees some cool pronouns/ "you could make an OC out of this!"
I thought i was the only one who had that idea lmao it sounds very majestic
Based
THOSE ARE SO COOL???
wait thats so cool???? HELLO????
The rainbow flag has become so iconic that I personally like seeing it be used for general pride/homosexuality/queerness/acceptance of nonconformity/etc
And I’d love to see the MLM flag be as prominent as the WLW flag.
when I found out that an mlm flag existed i got SO happy. like, i thought it was so cute they had an equivalent version. and now THIS???? why can't people just... appreciate each other? 🐳
i hope to see it more too, i found out about it like some months ago? its cute tho. toothpaste flag go brrrr
@@donniebelladonna4512 as a lesbian, I think it’s stupid that people are even mad about the flag. We have bigger things to worry about.
@@donniebelladonna4512 my only problem w/ the toothpaste flag is that the creator's a bigot but like yeah matching flags are kinda cool
(also the weird thing with the people who use it _(which i dont have a problem with as long as it isnt hurting anyone you do you)_ calling lesbians mean for being mad which like yeah they are mad over nothing but please i am begging you not to use a harmful stereotype against us over fucking flag discourse please please)
@@avi4215 ahshzhs u don't have to worry about it with me. I also don't agree with people calling lesbians mean for being mad, but I don't think it has anything to do with a flag. I'm a lesbian and I just thought that having an mlm flag with matching colors like the lesbian flag is cute because the rainbow is normally used as the mlm flag and it sometimes bothered me. but yeah, I didn't know about the creator and I'll search more about it.
@@avi4215 I'm a gay dude and I pretty much agree with you. The flags are super pretty, and we should stereotype people.
"I'm not an expert"
Spends the next 20 minutes spitting absolute facts
I cant take Pride-Month much seriously,
because:
If Homosexuals had any Pride they would
help RUclips and Tiktok become less
of a MASSIVE MESS.
I remind you all: The reportbutton DOES exist.
And so does the oversexualization of Lesbians.
Heck, theres outright P0rn on RUclips,
selling Lesbian Kissing to the People who
want to be entertained.
RUclips entertains Men with, and i quote: "H0T H0T Lesbianchicks lol h0t lol".
WTF much?
Loturzel Restaurant what does that have to do with their comment-
@@loturzelrestaurant many of us have been trying to stop but platforms such as TikTok don’t listen a lot of the time
I like your pfp, fellow enby
@@Puk-mi8ns I see.
But have you tried using the Report-Button? At least for lesbian-abusing P0rn and similar stuff??
As a bisexual, it’s a common issue that bi people are seen as “straight or gay.”
Also the phrase “Pick a side,” annoys the hell out of me.
(she/they pronouns!)
Next time they say pick a side say be inclusive.
Say bottom, or top, depending on what you feeling
Pick a side fine lets talk sex
Or the memes like “I’m gay and straight” but that could just be me
It’s weird how people are biphobic yet snooze on pansexuals’ case based on the logic they apply on bi’s.
Same! It gets to the point where even I'm like "am I really bisexual? Maybe I AM just confused..."
thank you, pretty man.
Oooooo
Hi captain.
@harriyanna hook i loved your video about justice (the store) but I like all your videos!!!
Queen!!!!! Aaaaa pog content!!
I use she/they pronouns and I completely support people who use neopronouns. Using neopronouns doesn't hurt anyone. Neopronouns can help people feel comfortable when they don't feel like any other set of pronouns suits them.
I agree
As a lesbian, if I see someone call the mlm flag the toothpaste flag again I'm gonna punch them. And I mean like pretending it is "copying" the lesbian flag, I think it's like a sign of solidarity between lesbians and gay men. It's sweet. Even if that's obviously not true, it's still nice.
It is a toothpaste flag though..
@@jojosmitho304 Indeed.
i’ve heard people say that it’s the ocean to our sunset and i think that that’s so cute
Plus it's super pretty
@@jaecullen9063 AWWWW THATS BEAUTIFUL
My first thought as a lesbian seeing the mlm flag for the first time:
“Aw how cute it matches the lesbian flag!”
Twitter: …
Same!
Lol, same!
@@CapitalLuke yeah, they go to brunch every Weekend
@@CapitalLuke YES
same
The worse thing about the pride at kink debate is that homophobes see it and use it as a way to further push the "being gay means being sexual" idea which also equals gay is bad to them.
It's especially annoying when the solution is obviously to just have adult prides and family friendly prides. Maybe during the day pride is family friendly and evening to night its adult. Cause that way nobody is really being excluded or feels excluded.
As a kinkster I agree. It’s also confusing why it’s “kink at pride” and not “naked ppl at pride” or “gimp suits, pup masks and nudity at pride” cuz it seems like no one cares if someone is wearing a collar as long as they are decent. Like why are we trying to ban the people, just ban the attire or lack of attire that is making ppl uncomfy.
@@Al_ate_my_soup Yeah I've heard that it has to do with pride being something that's supposed to be opposing hetero normative views and shit and that doing that it would be bowing down to those views or we would be the same as the other homophobes who used to try and control gay people, make them feel ashamed and subjugate them to hetero normative views and such.
So basically aside from "kinksters are deeply ingrained in LGBTQ+ history" that's the other arguments I've seen. Mainly on twitter but I found out about the debate mainly on twitter.
@@Al_ate_my_soup I said it somewhere else but yeah, nobody was being specific about what they were talking about and nobody was acknowledging that the term “kink” is vague by itself as a noun and I personally think it functions better as an adjective.
@@Ellie-bj2uw I get their point about not letting the hets control us but it’s a pretty flimsy argument they’re making. Mother fracking NAMBLA and it’s defenders amongst the gay rights movement used that excuse for a while until they got kicked out of most groups in the 80’s thanks to lesbians and other groups threatening to leave altogether (thank god for some folks seeing it was a crock of bullshit). There’s a minority of “old school gay lib” folks still parroting their bullshit about “child sexual liberation” now. Of course not at all referring to kids getting accurate sex Ed. Having some standards like being a normal degenerate who doesn’t involve unrelated folks in your sex life (or your power exchanging hobbies), who aren’t also into that thing as far as you know, isn’t kowtowing to the hets folks.
My sister literally said the same thing! That's what they do for most events. Why can't it just be done for others?
To people finding neopronouns hard:
It's okay, we understand, and good people won't get mad at an ally for making one mistake (also since we're trans, nonbinary, etc. chances are we're gonna be afraid of correcting people for fear of harassment anyway - so if you show effort to use our neopronouns, we would APPRECIATE you. A LOT.)
And a lot of neopronoun users (me included) have auxiliary pronouns, which is an "easier" set of pronouns (he, she, they, or it) one can use if they are a foreign English speaker, or disabled, or anything that makes it hard for them to use neopronouns. You can ask people if they have auxiliary pronouns.
There are also sites that can teach you how to use them, like Pronoun Dressing Room, Pronoun Island, or Practice With Pronouns.
As a pansexual person it sucks so much to see pan invalidation (particularly on Instagram!) so seeing bi and trans people validating my identity makes me feel better about the dumb people who call it "biphobic" or "transphobic"
i wouldnt call it biphobic it isnt anything inherently harmful towards bisexuality, theyre just labels at the end of the day. the issue arises when pansexuality is validating as the wrongfully understood 'more accepting bisexuality' , when they're literally the same thing more or less, that does harm bisexuals and some bisexuals do argue that the existance of pansexuality is in a way bi erasure, which im not fully against.
Dude I'm bi and trans, and you're valid, Pan rights!
@What's Kpopping? did you.. even read the comment.... or watch the video........
@What's Kpopping? they’re just saying that some people think that, no need to call him panphobic right off the bat. Now I’m not bi or pan I’m just a plain-vanilla-gay-dude, but I’m pretty sure they can both simultaneously exist since they are *essentially* the same thing and that doesn’t invalidate either. I mean I have a pan friend who identifies as pan purely because he prefers the flag so 🤷
i used to participate in the bi-vs-pan discourse, and eventually i just kinda got tired and realized it doesnt really matter. use whatever label you think fits you best. if it comes down to what flag you like best, go ahead! pan ppl are valid.
I agree pride parades should be family friendly and safe for everyone, someone I know was sexually assaulted in a pride parade by a girl who put her hand under her skirt. This is the type of behavior that can lead people to stereotype the lgbtq community as sex crazed maniacs.
I empathize with your friend, but I warn you: mainstream heteropatriarchal society will see us as sex crazed maniacs no matter how "properly" we behave. So don't fall into the trap of "respectability"
I agree with you I just don't like how use think respectability politics is good
I think it would be good to maybe have distinctions between family friendly pride parades and anything that isn't. Or have dedicated sections for people who want to go crazy on pride. Having both should be possible.
@@vickypedia1308 This is the best idea
@@MakiPcr hetero cis male here. Although I agree there are definitely a large group of people who won’t listen to reason, why give them any ammo? If examples of this stuff keep coming up they are gonna exploit it. I’m not saying walk on eggshells but at the same time the only way to break down stereotypes is to fight them. I may sound a little ignorant because im a cis Hetero guy, so If y’all could give me a different perspective that would be nice
I never knew anyone had a problem with the MLM flag (other than people who confuse it for Multi Level Marketing)
man i wish dude i see it all the time mostly on twitter tho it’s so dumb
Yeah I thought MLM flag was something to do with multi level stuff and was so confused lol
Other than multi level marketing what does it stand for
@@joestarjester6011 men loving men (or slight variations like men who love men or males loving males)
It’s just a way to clarify since gay can be an umbrella term and also just saying gay can exclude some bisexuals in conversations.
LOL i keep seeing videos titles “the trouble with mlms” or something along those longs and i get so confused for a second lol
"Kink at pride" is way too broad imho. "Kink" can mean anything from a full sexual scene, to a Dom walking around with a whip. As far as I'm concerned, so long as you're covering as much skin as you would at the beach, and not scening in front of the public, you're fine. Not all kink is sexual
thank you! i mostly agreed with the guy's sentiment but his argument and words of choice just seemed very kinkphobic/kink-shamey to me. like.... what about all the vanilla people being sexual? why is the kink itself the issue? it's just sexuality in general. don't be shy, if you're a kinkshamer just say that
@@jinkieez yep! And its not like vanilla is a fixed category either. Whether or not people think masks or handcufs or fursuits or any other kink should be allowed seems to come down to personal disgust, and that's not what Pride is about
This comment ❤
yes! i feel like both sides of the argument don’t understand what the other side is saying. like he said “you can wear some gear just don’t have your dick out” which is also the stance of most kinksters! both sides seem to agree but are using the same words to try and say different things which means a bunch of nonsense yelling.
@@punkpuppyluv there are avid defenders who will come out if you give specific examples you're uncomfortable with though like I agree it's often not even specific enough when someone says they're uncomfortable with pet play or scenes in public(because I get that maybe someone does pet play for a lot more than sexual reasons), you still get gaslit for being uncomfortable with nudity(I am) and shit.
Hell I had to leave a straight bar where a birthday party was cause another group was waving dildos around and having a hen night, I don't think other people get that many of us are uncomfortable with things in cishet settings too just expect the lgbt+ community to do better on inclusion. But instead, you can say you're uncomfortable with nudity, stuff depicting genitals at pride and will get responses split between "no-one does that", "I do that and it's not sexual" and "just because you're triggered you don't get to control others".
Oh and when someone waves stuff away because "it's against the law" like, I don't want a police state I don't want to report fellow lgbt people to cops and I don't want to talk to cops so wtf? But yeah the video went into kink shaming territory which sucks, as someone who has difficulty with sexual stuff and has a sister extremely triggered by kink shaming from kink at pride discourse 😭
I am sorry, but it means so much to hear you say; "Which includes Ace, Nonbinary, or any other form of atypical gender or sexual orientation." So many individuals want to exclude Ace, Pan, and Nonbinary; just to name a few, from LGBT and Pride events that it honestly sucks. It shouldn't be a pissing contest of who has it worse or who is more valid, but many treat it that way. Pride should be about solidarity and having a good time.
YEAH EXACTLY!! It shouldn’t be a fight of Who has it Worse!! Just a celebration that we Can be ourselves💓💓
God I was so happy to hear someone validate the whole “pan and bi aren’t that different”
I’ve identified as bi for a large majority of my life and I love who I love, shit don’t matter, pan and bi unite!!
- If you’ve personally been hated on by other LGBT+ people, I am sincerely sorry. That said, remember that these outcries against bi, pan, non-binary, etc. are only a vocal minority of LGBT+ people, just like the horror stories of any fandom. We’ve certainly been over this here of all channels. For every hater, there’s thousands of people on your side. Personally, I don’t believe in the idea of an LGBT+ “community”, I just know that LGBT+ people exist and some group together to discuss issues. It prevents me from being distraught at the presence of division and conflict. For instance, a biphobic gay person is no worse than a biphobic straight person, if you remove your expectations of “togetherness” that come with a singular community. Not to mention that TERFs of every gender and sexuality exist, and are the main threat to LGBT+ people because of their influence. The idea of a monolithic LGBT+ community also makes it easier for reactionaries to push the idea that we’re pushing an “agenda”, particularly onto kids.
Then what does pan even mean anymore? What separates it from bisexuality in any way shape or form??????
@@supremeperson6866 to be honest nothing, same shit, different flag
@@noodle6852 Then why would you even classify it as a valid sexuality if its the same thing??????
@@noodle6852see this is why tons of people don't see pansexuals as valid.
if were doing gay discourse then im just gonna say ASEXUALS AND AROMANTICS ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, IM SICK OF PEOPLE SAYING WERE BASICALLY STRAIGHT BC WERE NOT
Agreed. Honestly I am ashamed to say I was one of those people who said that ace/aro weren't valid LGBT identities. However, turns out it's because I'm ace and so I didn't think they were anything special. (Turns out when people say they want to sleep with someone because of their looks their not over-exaggerating. Who knew?)
@@user-by1df8ok3l you got something to say awesome sauce?
@@user-by1df8ok3l Yes
@@user-by1df8ok3l asexuals have been part of the community for longer than u have been alive im sorry to break it to u
@@user-by1df8ok3l Not the no
As a pansexual I humbly and genuinely thank you for the concern about the injustices the pan community has faced! I am a firm believer in pansexual and bisexual solidarity!
As a bisexual, i am also a firm believer in bi/pan solidarity
FACTS as a minor I went to pride once and I don’t think I’ll ever go again which is unfortunate.
That's unfortunate. I don't think every pride parade is the same and if something traumatic happened then please speak to an organizer about your experience so you're able to go.
Same, mate.
Same
I wanted to go, but after hearing some stories like this i don’t think I will … at least for a while.
@@liberpolo5540 if it’s a small town go for it, if it’s a big city I’d be weary
Being black, your channel just makes me so happy. Like we can connect the most
omg yeah it's so nice seeing a fellow black person whos also queer :)
@@hannastar yo! ♡
Let me just say, I have NEVER met anyone irl who uses neopronouns. But if I ever do then I will respect the HELL out of them (as anyone should)
I mean you might have but a lot of us wouldn’t tell ppl irl cuz... harassment
If I do, I’d feel confused at first, but I’ll practice on them anyway
@@impimpoundment4943 yeah.. i use he/him and xe/xem which is really common but i'm scared of being harassed.
As a pansexual, I wanna say that bi people have an awful time in the community. People always call them transphobic. Like, that isn’t true. And saying that is transphobic in a way. (Through implication that trans people aren’t real men, women, and others.) I’m trans as well. And you know what, I’m sick of people calling people who don’t sob In dysphoria fake. It’s so ridiculous. We’re supposed to help each otherrrrrr
My pronouns are he/him and they/them but I don’t mind any other ones really
I'm actually a straight cis dude so I'm not in the lgbt, but I thought I'd check out your video since I'm subbed. I like your videos, they're well made and I like your sense of humor. You touched on a lot of things that I had always heard about that bothered me, like annoying, ignorant Twitter people that will label you something horrible just so they can invalidate whatever critique you may have about them or what they've said. Also, you informed me a lot about the hate that some lgbt members have with one another that really is just stupid.
Overall, I think this was a funny, educational video. I'd like to see more videos on these kinds of topics from you. Keep up the good work.👍😎👍
You're based ally
You're very epic
Pog
As a kid I was taught at school that lgbtq+ includes anyone of any sexuality. We're all part of it.
I never heard of the mlm controversy before how could someone say the flag is ugly its easily one of the best looking flags in the lgbt community lmao
I like it too but i also love the Pan flag colors :3
@@yeetlol3537 the pan flag is everything. It's up there with the lesbian and trans flag too
There's a lot of nice gradients in LGBT+ flags. Aromantic is another soothing one with the greens to greys. Dunno if I'm really Aro myself, but it's a nice flag. Perhaps even nicer than the Ace flag, and that's coming from an Ace person!
@@conspiracypanda1200 aro and ace are pretty good too. They stuck to one color and the rest being just shades and i can respect that
It’s so pretty ngl.
The thing i don't understand about kink at pride is why people don't just,,, wear their full garb at specifically kink parts of pride. Aren't there literal "after-hours" events that are literally FOR the NSFW displays of pride??
Exactly
I know it’s not their intention but by being openly kinky during pride is basically them being entitled and pushing ace, aro, SA survivors, children, teens, and families away from being able to enjoy pride. I have nothing against kink at all, you do you idc but please be respectful and I think that’s what they should all understand. Pride is suppose to be inclusive and yes, they aren’t physically preventing groups of people from joining but they still are and it’s not fair.
@@colonelbreadsticks ...there's asexual kinksters too, that's what Evie Lupine, a big Bdsm channel, is.
@@pirateFinn I totally believe that, I’m ace myself and by saying that I was referring to those who are sex repulsed or just get uncomfortable with it (like I do). I know that ace is this wide spectrum and it doesn’t mean you don’t have libido, just dont feel sexual attraction or are something along those lines cause there’s many sub labels and identities under the ace umbrella
@@colonelbreadsticks my point is that a lot about kink isn't sexual and only social stigma makes it seem so. I mean we just recently saw Riley Goshong completely fail to understand this (even when it was directly addressed by doe) and cause a complete fool of herself online. Regardless, kink for 50 years has operated fine without any widespread sexual harassment due it at Pride (albeit its presence is usually in a very small number at any public pride) so it's not actually a big deal. It's just a conservative talking point that's been peddled longer than many of us have lived and keep falling for.
This is why identity politics is stupid to me. Fuck class structures, everyone is an amazing unique individual with their own story in my eyes to prevent this from happening.
THANK YOU SOMEONE WHO THOUGHT THR SAME AS ME
Me as a cishet dude:
[Watching intensely]
Edit: my pronouns are he/him. Love you, LGBTQIA+ friends :)
And I love you, my ally friend.
Same, but I'm a cishet girl
if you're gonna virtue signal like that, at least do some more than that
@@greynotchristian what do you expect him to do? At least he's educating himself.
@@hannah383 not seek medals for being an allegedly decent person. you pathetic pick me
I prefer referring to people by ‘standard’ pronouns for lack of a better word (he/she/they etc.) because I have autism and entire walls of different pronouns are extremely intimidating and confusing to me. But you know what? I’m not gonna go around saying people are transphobic because of something as trivial as their pronouns. And if someone wants me to refer to them by neopronouns? I absolutely will, even if it’s hard for me I’ll at least try to make an effort.
So yeah, neopronouns are valid as fuck and if anyone disagrees stay 50 feet away from me at all times
My only issue with neopronouns is that I haven't yet heard any of them spoken out loud. I can't figure out how to say them just from looking at them, and I don't wanna get it wrong.
@@OverlyPositiveFanboy then just ask, trust me they probably won’t be mad because it just means you are wanting to respect them enough to ask how it is pronounced
@@afunkylittleguy they shouldn't be mad lol it's just asking. like "how do i pronounce your name" shouldn't be seen as a rude thing. not asking and not caring to learn would be rude.
Ayyy, that’s great! You’re putting in more effort than a lot of people.
@@OverlyPositiveFanboy i think of some of them as nicknames, or just replace common ones with them
"she went to the store"-"bug went to the store"
"he was by the chairs" - "gore was by the chairs"
"she is a good writer" - "ey is a good writer"
Regarding the pan vs bi discourse thing, there's a whole community of bis who are openly anti pan called Battleaxe bis 😭
Oof, sorry to know that exists, I hadn't even heard that term before, sorry pan people have to put up with that. For what it's worth, I'm bi, and I think being and identifying as pan is 100% valid, we should be respecting and looking out for each other.
i just learnt abt it and as a bi its so stupid wtf
oh damn that's really disappointing
nooo not annie
I honestly thought those where cool bi people with battle axes :(
Neo pronouns are chill but they break me brain. I’m terrified of running into someone who uses them because every sentence will be me trying to find where pronouns go in the sentence. I don’t even know why they specifically break my brain (best guess is the dyslexia).
From what I've seen, neopronoun users will usually tell you how to use their pronouns if you ask. Sometimes it's confusing just to look at but it becomes a lot clearer with explanation.
Just think of it as a nickname! as a neurodivergent person this helps me plenty
@@fearoftoasters101imstillaf7 thanks I’ll try that
It's okay to mess up sometimes. And a lot of neopronoun users (me included) have auxiliary pronouns, which is an "easier" set of pronouns (he, she, they, or it) one can use if they are a foreign English speaker, or disabled, or anything that makes it hard for them to use neopronouns. You can ask people if they have auxiliary pronouns.
There are also sites that can teach you how to use them, like Pronoun Dressing Room, Pronoun Island, or Practice With Pronouns.
Something that I feel isn't talked about is people being incredibly ace and arophobic in the community, which saddens me a lot as an ace person. While I am also panromantic and in a relationship, all Asexuals and aros are valid. Even the ones that arent gay or bi or pan. Thank you to all those people that aren't acephobic, it means a lot especially since it can be considered an invisible orientation because its talked about so little. :(
HI I'M DEMISEXUAL AND PAN I ACCEPT AND LOVE YOU. no but really, this. what you said is wildly true
@@babydollieollie Thank you ily too, platonically!! 😳💜 happy pride month, yo
Im bi and have no issue with asexuals inherently. It’s totally fine to not be attracted things to whatever degree.
I only have a problem when a sex repulsed asexual makes me not talk about sexual things, even though it’s really big part of my life and I like to talk about it sometimes without feeling ashamed or like I need to filter everything super hard, and they chose to be in my circle knowing that about me. I’m totally aware most asexuals aren’t like that and can handle it like anyone else but. It’s also possible we just weren’t compatible in general as friends and that I just hate using a filter
@@leel2792 I mean,, idk why you're telling me that because I don't know you personally, but you also gotta keep in mind that people arent obligated to listen to your sexual life.
Especially people that don't experience a sexual life or maybe have bad experiences with it. You do you, if you don't wanna be around an asexual person thats sex repulsed then don't?? No one is forcing you to, people try and make arguements for not wanting to date trans people too, which,, it's perfectly fine if you dont want to date a trans person. People have genital preferences and you're free to be with who you want whether it's platonically or romantically. Just dont be an acephobe or transphobe about it because no one is forcing you to do anything? Be with people you're comfortable with or that are comfortable with you, bud. ♡
@@leel2792 Also just keep in mind, your friends ALSO probably use filters when talking to you, a non ace person. You're not the only one who is uncomfortable, especially if they've requested you maybe not talk about stuff so much. I suggest talking about it to your friends and stuff if you haven't already. Relationships, whatever kind they are, need communication.
Honestly, regarding neopronouns, whether or not I personally am comfortable with them depends on which ones. There are some like xe/xem that have become a bit more common, and roll off the tongue more easily as your typical pronouns would, so it's a tad less awkward for me to comply and I have very little issue. Others, though, make me a bit skeptical -- but in my eyes, no matter how I feel, it doesn't rightfully matter. I have no right to exert power over a stranger, or to judge them for doing something totally harmless. My biases exist, but I do not let those biases do harm to people outside of me as I analyze and work through them.
That being said, I just always call people what they wanna be called. The way I see it, there's no sense in getting upset at a stranger for whatever they call themselves. It's a waste of time, effort, and energy. Puts nothing good out into the world to spread hatred, or to make it known that I don't approve of how some random person, with no connection to me, prefers to identify. Not to mention, a lot of people who use the less common neopronouns are young LGBT+ people, just trying to figure things out; and, even if they aren't, they are exploring themselves in a way that makes them comfortable and happy. Live and let live. I am not the arbiter of truth when it comes to LGBT+ matters and regardless of my own biases or thoughts, they are just not relevant when it comes to the way others prefer to identify.
This. Absolutely put what I think in more eloquent terms. Thanks
i 100% agree! One of the times i've struggled is when somebody tried used fucker/fuckboy, unironically. im not in contact with this person very much anymore, but i'm still unsure what to call them, especially when around younger people.
That’s a really good way to put it. I 100% agree with you
@@juno3234 that’s actually a pretty neat idea!
@@El-de6nj I think I will draw a line on using rude words or words that can be confused with something other than a reference to the specific person. People aren't always allowed arbitrary names for themselves either (there are laws concerning what you can call yourself), and expecting someone to use arbitrary words in every context as if they're "just pronouns" or "just my preferred name" is asking quite a lot. If someone unironically told me they wanted to use "fucker" as a pronoun I would still refuse, because it's not respectful of *them* to require me to use offensive or ambiguous language to refer to them.
I'm Bi and the worst people are people who think I'm just confused of my sexuality, and it really annoys me.
Oh yeah I am She/Her
As an Ace I feel you. You'd think ppl would understand when you point at another human person and say I'm attracted/not attracted to that, but for some reason it blows their minds and they try to deny it like they're the CEO of your brain, body and being and you need their signed approval to decide that a person is/isn't bangable af.
Tbh the most annoying thing about being bi as a cis girl is feeling like i have to keep reminding everyone that i like women even if i have a preference for men because ive been told so many times that it's just "straight with extra steps" or "spicy straight" nd its like..no..
Me being straight and genderfluid 𝗱𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀 𝘁𝗲𝗮.
I am panromantic (gray ace) and people think I am biphopic. I have a bi friend and they think it is ok. -Pronouns:They/them,xe/xer
@@VenusRhapsody that's confusing in a good way
I've seen different perspectives on the "kink at Pride" discourse, and I'm straight so take my suggestion with a grain of salt since this issue doesn't affect me, but maybe just make two pride events. One family friendly version for the young minors and sex adverse people, and the classic version, so that way history is respected, no one is kink-shamed, and everyone is happy.
this is a good idea
Kink at pride = someone shirtless with a leather harness and a bikini drag queen!
I feel like pride should be for everyone of all ages(mostly) but people either think that kink belongs at pride or children belong at pride and nothing else. I think that minimal kink should be at pride like maybe some bondage over clothes and just something to represent that and children about 10 years or older should be go to pride. I've also suggested the sentence above this but also adding another pride parade for more 18+ representation of kink where kids shouldn't be allowed.
@@kittycat9170 Why do you think children should be around anything that may even remotely be considered sexual? Anything with the word "Kink" should not be associated with children by any means. Kids can celebrate pride at home with family and friends, they do not have to attend the event because you cannot control the actions of individuals in such a high energy space.
There already is a family friendly pride event. Every May there's a youth pride parade and it has lots of stuff to do and things to attend (and the stuff they have there is free, while June's pride parade doesn't have free stuff) but everyone forgets about it
At the pronouns-check-point rn: I use she/they, but Id rather not be referred to at all tbh 😶 I feel like I honestly might quit enjoy neopronouns but I dont feel like putting the effort in to explain it to people irl who wouldnt respect me either way, soooo.....
I never understood the reason why pronouns triggered so many people. If someone's genuinely trying to be polite, that should mean more then if they called you "she" when you prefer to go by "he". That's when you, once you two become friends, explain it to them. Stopping everyone mid convo to go "actually it's..."
Is the same as stopping a causal conversation just to make s grammatical correction, sure it's helpful but was it needed? Especially if they weren't trying to offend you.
@@that_deadeyegamer7920 if you don’t understand why pronouns matter to people, I’m not going to try and make you, but pronouns and grammatical corrections are not alike. People using the wrong pronouns makes me uncomfortable and upset, but using the wrong grammar is just mildly annoying. One hurts, and one is just annoying. You may not care about pronouns, but other people do, and it isn’t that hard to do something that makes them feel better.
@QueerAssTiefling every time neopronouns are 'debunked' or some shit I add another one to my collection
@@that_deadeyegamer7920 exactly neo pronouns make mass confusion
@@tortis6342 How can I "do something to make you feel better" if I don't know. Your sexuality isn't your personality, nor are your pronouns. If I'm coming to you as a person, to have friendly conversation and you get offended to the point of getting upset with me over something I have total ignorance for, then you have a problem with being sensitive and there's no way around it. It's like me getting upset if someone were to assume I like rap music because I'm young, when in reality I like all kinds of music but I prefer older music, I wouldn't get pissy with them about making an incorrect assumption unless they were intentionally trying to offend me and that's what my point was: if no one is *trying* to offend you, then if you get offended because someone doesn't abide by your personal preference, you're the problem. But if they know your pronouns or intentionally try to trigger you then of course you've got every right to be upset.
Ace people rise up LET'S GOOOO
Yeeeet
I rise 👀
[da baby voice] les goooooo
WHO SUMMONED ME!?
Let's fuck shit up 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I wanna know this mans thoughts on Q force 😂
“Some straight people are weird” 😂😂😂
Ooooh hell no!!! I saw the trailer for it after it was posted on someone’s ig story going over how it just represents how cishets see our queerness as our entire personality, so when I saw the trailer I immediately cringed the first second I saw it.
Like... Netflix, are you good??? I know the company tends to have mixed bags of lgbt representation on there, some good and some... questionable like this.
some people who worked on it were saying that the trailer doesnt represent the show well. hopefully they are correct
I hope the trailer misrepresented the show man
The naming of that show is Ratchet and Clank slander
bro not even joking one of the characters in that show is literally just called twink. im being 100% serious. netflix wtf
Tbh this may sound hyperbolic but I do tend to worry I'll unintentionally misgender the wrong person and get yelled at as a neurodivergent person. I've been making more of a conscious effort to use they/them pronouns when referring to people I don't know the gender of, but it can be difficult for me due to how often I use gendered pronouns ("sir" or "ma'am", both of which I don't think even have gender neutral equivalents). To make things worse, many neopronouns sound very strange and unnatural to use in conversation for me. However, I will always respect people's pronouns; I see no reason to purposefully refuse to call them what they want to be called.
I honestly don't think you'll get yelled at for misgendering anybody, especially if it's an accident, they'll just correct you
yeah, you should be totally fine unless the person you accidentally misgender is a total nut. gonna be real, i misgender myself all the goddamn time, and while it does not feel good to get misgendered by other people, i usually dont even say anything lol
thank you for putting the effort in! i can understand it being hard and no trans person (or any reasonable one) will get upset at you for messing up if we can see you are trying:). we might be hurt a bit but we will only ever be mad at you if you misgender/call us the wrong pronouns vindictively. your effort shows where you really stand and it’s okay to make mistakes! even us trans people do that. it’s a learning process but it does become habit eventually. thank you;)
I don‘t understand the issue with the mlm flag even if it waschest a recolor. How is that disrespectful? You could still assign different meanings to the stripes and I don’t even find it unreasonable to say we‘re two sides of the same coin so we use opposite colors. Obviously this discourse is just stupid since the recolor thing isn‘t even true but still, I like that the mlm and lesbian flag look similar
i like it too, i can't understand why some people get offended by it-
@@rintintin47908 ikr???
As a lesbian, it’s not disrespectful. If anything, it’s a compliment to how swag our flag looks.
Yeah, they're similar sexual orientations, both are for people who love the same sex, so it makes sense for them to be similar flags imo
Under the logic that "MLM and Lesbian flags look similar so MLM has to change," It is time to change the Russian or the German flag because they are too similar.
As an ace, it's sad to see some people (I've seen mostly on Twitter) said that aces don't belong in the LGBTQ community because we don't experience enough discrimination.
the people who say u don’t face discrimination….while discriminating u..biggest fucking hypocrites
@@rosaforest642 that's the irony with aphobes. They say we're not discriminated against while calling us narcissist trying to be special for atention. (Last aro week had some not very fun moments)
I face so much fucking discrimination. It's different from other queer people's experiences, but conversion therapy is at an all time high for us.
imo, you only see 'em mostly on twitter bc all those dipshits left tumblr
because holy shit, so many people on tumblr fucking HATED us on there not too long ago
(which really sucked for me, seeing all that shit at an impressionable age. made me think i was broken and alone for years lol)
i've been using tumblr again recently, and either all that mess has died down/moved to twitter, or i've gotten way better at catering my own experiences since i was 14
My brother is ace-aro and has to deal with my family disregarding his lack of attraction as "hes just a late bloomer" and just constantly telling him hes wrong about how he feels.. no... hes about to be 20 and has never had a crush in his life nor has experienced sexual attraction.. hes not confused he knows how he feels :/ they just refuse to accept it.
This is already gonna be a banger
As a straight man, even if I have many friends who are in this community I dont hear alot about it, so thank you for this info, very intersting.
For the Pronouns Check:
I'm a trans dude who goes by he/him or sometimes even they/them, and I just wanted to say I geniunely appreciate this video, particularly the neopronouns bit, as even though I myself don't use them I feel they should be respected more within our community
I'm too dumb to understand any of this
as a polish person seeing the little snippet about our political situation made me feel seen
thanks joe :]]
As a trans pan autistic person, it can very hard for me to get into the political side of the community without getting serious criticism from both people outside and inside the community and it is so incredibly hard to tell which side is “right” or “wrong” and people will attack me for being on either side. And it’s just......pain....
You are valid ❤️
It's hard to see arguments fueled solely by emotion.
I’m pan and autistic too! i feel the same, it’s so hard to know what’s ‘right’ and ‘accepted’ and sometimes some people will accept something but then other people don’t. it can be really hard to know which side of arguments to stand on, i wish everyone was just more accepting overall and there wasn’t so much misinformation and controversy :(
Not LGBT person on the spectrum, but I relate. I just want the option that is “right” and will make less bad things happen. I don’t want people to be mad at me. It’s the reason I don’t like discourse in Gernal. I have a couple “safe channels” I go to to understand something, and hide from any fights. If you go to extreme and too passionate, people get mad. Stay too neutral, people on both sides are mad.
Discourse is scary.
Not only is your struggle valid, it's super popular for allistic (non-autistic persons) too! Many people have a lot of anxiety around conflict and would prefer people to not get harmed but also others to not be mad at them for expressing thoughts they disagree with
tbh as a lesbian i love how similar the flags are, wlw/mlm solidarity is very important in queer history and it shows that! also they look like friendship bracelets :]]
Steven Universe was actually great, not because it's gay, but because it tricks homophobes or people in denial into watching it. Because the characters are "just rocks" and not actually lesbians. Oh yeah, it's big brain time.
How would they be tricked when all the rocks are females, clearly lesbians everywhere. Pearl lesbian, diamond lesbian, short angry red lesbian. Steven Universe was good with it's spreading the love message. all problems in the show were best healed with the power of love. Spinel, found love from her superiors. Pearl, found love within her self. Sadie, found love for music. Lars, found love for adventure. which helped both of them heal from eachother. Love was what healed everything. and made Love the most powerful weapon in the entire show. Love literally made White Diamond into a better person. Love was all anyone needed .
@@ghoztiell yeah but they aren't technically female they are rocks so technically it's totally poggers in the Neo-Nazi handbook.
@@nemo9864 rock women :,)
I watched it because it causes was a funny haha show and when Blue Rock came I was like wow funny haha show is getting a little more serious show and then when Redish Big rock was broke and became two lesbians in a Beyonce costume I was like WHATT and then stuff happens, peridot was cool the rest was kinda boring and future was future and that's it, it wass ok show 6/10.
The gems are non binary lesbians
Quick addition to the kink at pride thing:
There should 100% be family-friendly pride events and there should 100% be more,, o p e n ones, since removing kink altogether sanitizes places and exposes them to right-wing assimilation. You also have a good point that minors and sex-repulsed people may not like kink at pride, to which I say, yes, that's perfectly fair and valid, we should still have family-friendly events that are still not involved with or sponsored by the state. This is a "pro-kink" stance, by the way, not a "kink-centrist" one. (Centrists tend to be right wing apologists anyway).
Thing is, queer power and solidarity is a very important value of mine. It informs not only which side I take on every discourse within the LGBTQIA+ community, but also why I'm so politically active in the first place.
Also, I go by She/They, thanks.
I definitely agree that we should organise more family friendly events because as of now, I never plan on going to pride for the sole reason that I don't want to see that ish. My school district actually has a pride event that was made for that reason, but I never got the chance to go as I just came out this year and I'm graduating. I really think that there should be more events like that that are purposefully non-sexual while also holding a space for kink because of its importance to the community. (they/she)
i think i agree, but i think the main pride parades should be the kid friendly ones bc many closeted teens can only go during pride month without being outed (she/they btw)
@@thirdwheel9938 yeah, basically. These events can coexist. The former is more inclusive and the latter keeps the cops out lmao
i'm happy i can use the mlm flag, not only cause i identify with it but...
look man, it's a really pretty flag, like how can you not like teal?
colorblind people
ikrr its so pretty
fr!! its gotta be one of my favorite pride flags and actually makes me feel, well, _proud_
but seriously talking, it’s beautiful, basically all my fave colors :)
It's beautiful 💕✨
I am so happy that you mentioned the A-spectrum , we are usually ignored and gatekeeped out of the community ! Thank you so much !!!!!
Kalvin Garrah watching this video is just shaking in rage
the kalvin kinnies are shaking and crying rn
@@wildlylucky PLS KALVIN KINNIES
Who are they 😭
@@regrettispaghetti2517 one of the biggest transphobic transphobe... who is also a trans person. It's scary. We call his followers (trans medicalists who believe you have to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria by a doctor, which is stupid) kalvin kinnies.
@@cerabella549 Yeah that does not pass the vibe check
Also, I will say, the MLM flag is actually the "achillean" flag w a little green flower, meant to emcompass all men-love-men, so gay, bi, pan, ect.--as long as you're a man who loves other men, you can use it. the one shown in the video is the gay flag, meant exclusively for gay men--not bi, pan, or otherwise.
ps i go by he/him ✌️
/im sorry i kept reading MLM as the one that does scams and went "since when did esential oils companies have their own flag"
good point tho-
@@jenniferchaulam Hell yeah, multi level marketing pride!/j
@@beep3242 /time to make people gayer with rainbow scented essential oils!!!!! /j
Same as the Sapphic flag with the pink flower! Which encompasses lesbians, bi, pan, poly, omni, etc girls!
i think a big issue here is that gay (or even lesbian) is often used interchangably with mlm (and wlw for lesbians), and thus doesnt exclude mspecs, mspecs have been calling themselves gay for ages and have every right to do so, when you see two men or two women kissing you dont go "oh bisexuals" or even "oh mlm/wlw", you go "oh gays/lesbians" for example. its more accurately the homosexual/romantic mens flag, although even homosexual tends to be used synonymously with mlm/wlw, albeit not as often as gay and lesbian are.
basically language is complicated, identity is complicated, if an mspec vibes with the flags who cares
As a lesbian, it makes me really upset when people crap on the MLM flag, or really any other flag that looks like, or is a "recolor" of the lesbian flag,, It's disgusting how people won't even let Gay Men use their own flag and try to take it away from them,, I'm tired of these people who aren't even lesbians themselves constantly getting offended on our behalf,, and even if they are lesbians, they're still making us look like a joke,,
also unpopular opinion, who cares if the creator is bad,, that doesn't mean the flag itself is bad,, :,0
So anyway, the MLM flag is BEAUTIFUL!! and Gay Men are VALID!! you guys are NOT lesbophobic💝
RIGHT like oh my god, why do they cARE SO MUCH????? plus there are plenty of flags that looks much more similar to eachother than the MLM and lesbian flag do, i mean like, look at the bisexual and pan flag? they literally have one color different, and another is a shade different? and even then, it doesnt matter lmao, so long as the flags have meanings and dont look like dogsh*t i dont see the point in getting angry over it
That's the gay flag tho, the mlm and wlw flags both have flowers
@@akariko3785 HOLY SHIT I NEVER REALIZED THE PAN FLAG WAS SO SIMILAR TO THE BI FLAG YOU ARE RIGHT
As long as the creator isn’t directly profiting off of it, it doesn’t matter
Fr and it’s sooo stupid
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I think a lot of members of the community would be way happier if they just started embracing the beauty of non-conformity, and how important it is to our community. I think one of the most amazing things about the community is our disregard for barriers created by cishet society, so why are some of us trying to force them into our spaces?
- If you’ve personally been hated on by other LGBT+ people, I am sincerely sorry. That said, remember that these outcries against bi, pan, non-binary, etc. are only a vocal minority of LGBT+ people, just like the horror stories of any fandom. We’ve certainly been over this here of all channels. For every hater, there’s thousands of people on your side. Personally, I don’t believe in the idea of an LGBT+ “community”, I just know that LGBT+ people exist and some group together to discuss issues. It prevents me from being distraught at the presence of division and conflict. For instance, a biphobic gay person is no worse than a biphobic straight person, if you remove your expectations of “togetherness” that come with a singular community. Not to mention that TERFs of every gender and sexuality exist, and are the main threat to LGBT+ people because of their influence. The idea of a monolithic LGBT+ community also makes it easier for reactionaries to push the idea that we’re pushing an “agenda”, particularly onto kids.
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Yo, I'm gonna start unironically referring to myself as a bleach demon, like, are you srs? That sounds rad as fuck.
I like to call myself an artic monkey
Honestly, calling people their preferred pronouns costs such a small effort and is just basic human decency. If you don't wanna call people bug/bugself or whatever or if they are being rude about it - don't... interact w/ them? It's so easy. I avoid other people I don't vibe w/, too, so why should that be different for some people w/ neopronouns?
@@strato8147 woah there buddy, slur, that was unnecessary
@@strato8147 This is actually something to do with gender not sexuality
@@strato8147 I mean I could call people shitheads but I don't because that's rude. I go about pronouns the same way, why choose to be an asshole when you can just be polite and call them how they want to be called.
@@strato8147 But,,, it sort of is your personality in a way?
It’s apart of who you are and who you are as a person. It’s how you choose to identify.
Also, you clearly do not understand the difference between sexuality and gender.
And just to add, you had to use a slur.
Just say you’re transphobic and leave lmao
@@theautismrizzler I'm not transphobic I just think that neopronouns are dumb
i feel like a lot of discourse comes from people expecting everyone who falls under a label to have the exact same relationship with that label. which is not how humans work
i don't understand the concept of gender affecting my attraction to people. but i identify as bisexual rather than pansexual just because i like it better. it just fits better for me. and people need to realize that that's fine
definitions applied to feelings are inherently going to be malleable at best. there's nothing wrong with identifying with a term even tho another label "fits u better" in popular conception. the sooner people get that, the sooner we can move past cycles of the same discourse
Right? Like people aren't made to fit into a specific label. labels are made to describe a general shared experience
Yeah! Imma be honest the reason I felt more comfortable identifying as bi rather than pan was because I liked the flag better 🤣 also it just fits me personally. That doesn't negate pansexuality or stop me from liking people who aren't in the binary. Hell I'm non binary so I know what's up.
@@kingsaracoon9594 exactly. im genderfluid & i feel like our existence should disprove the notion that bisexuality excludes non-bianary people. i was gonna make a video about bi vs pan discourse, but i stopped working on it because it irritated me in an unproductive way
absolutely! i’m the same but opposite for sexuality. although i personally see pan as more of a specific subsection of bi, i don’t really identify with bi - i feel like pan just kinda ‘fits’ me better, even if i can’t exactly explain why.
To be honest I still can't wrap my head around the bi-pan thing, and I've stopped trying. It's whatever, I find bisexuality easier to explain and I like it more, but identifying as pan is just as valid regardless. I think sometimes we gotta accept that we won't understand everything, but lack of understanding doesn't need to be the basis of hate.
pronoun check: rather than consciously choosing a pronoun, I kind of just go with whatever people think I am that day. I've been referred to as both he/him, she/her and even they/them every blue moon and none of them have really felt wrong. idk what that means
Oh wait I think I know what that would be, I'm not sure but my friend is similar. They identify as gender apathetic. It means the person doesn't care how people perceive them and any pronouns are okay with them (if that makes sense, I'm not the best at explaining). Hope this helps!
@@grandmarie sweet thanks! I didn’t know that was a thing. Nice to know people have put words to it :)
@@Tenshi6Tantou6Rei Yeah no problem! I didn't know it was a thing either till she told me about it.
@@grandmarie ooh! That’s a thing? Damnnn that’s cool. I shall look into this further. This comment section is giving me a plethora of information.
@@grandmarie Might be that or genderfluid
Man, this is why I love your videos. You're not afraid to just straight up say, "Fuck this, this sucks, get educated." You've got hot takes on a lot of issues and don't sugarcoat your feelings on them. I love that honesty. Keep up the great work, man.
And since you asked, I prefer to go by he/him pronouns, but I'm not opposed to being called they/them either.
I have no problem with pronouns, all the person has to do is just tell me what they want to go by and I'll gladly go by it. Another banger dude❤❤🔥🔥
No one should have problems with calling someone by their pronouns, but some people just weren't raised right.
I agree with people using whatever pronouns they want, yet at the same time some people go as far as trying to make unique neopronouns for themselves. But pronouns are supposed to be *shorthand, generic* ways to refer to someone and not unique identifiers/names. If you want a unique identifier - that's your name, make "cat/catself" your name, don't call them pronouns, because that's just not what pronouns are.
I'll still call you by them no questions asked but I honestly just don't see how a close to unique identifier can be considered a pronoun and not just a name. Especially when the "pronouns" get longer than most names I just don't see how they still serve the grammatical function of a pronoun rather than a nickname.
It would be less confusing imo if people who use exclusively very unusual neopronouns (not zhe/zhir, but stuff like cat/catself) said they have no pronouns + several names (one of which are their neo-"pronouns"), I think a lot more people would get it then and stop complaining
@@LisaNarozhnykh people with “long neopronouns” shouldnt have to change them just to get respect, and its not their fault that people dont respect neopronouns lol. if someone doesnt respect “long neopronouns,” they dont respect neopronouns period
@@ophanem If someone's neopronoun is as unique as a name and as long as a name it's not a pronoun, it's a nickname. That was my point. At no point have I said to not use that nickname, but it's just ridiculous to call it a pronoun.
@@LisaNarozhnykh i get what you mean but this is such a trivial thing to be up in arms about, and your last part in the original reply kind of implies that its our fault bigots complain about us
Pronoun check: Any pronouns! Mostly he/they/ze/she!
I also f--king hate how Asexuals and/or Aromantics are invalidated quite a bit, but I think it's getting a lot better. And, how a lot of people think all aromantics are asexual, and all asexuals are aromantic! I'm personally acearo, but not all of us a-spec people are, and it sucks seeing alloaro or people being talked over and/or invalidated :(
Dictionary (if anyone needs it):
Asexual: someone that experiences little to no sexual attraction
Aromantic: someone that experiences little to no romantic attraction
Allosexual: someone that isn't asexual or on the asexual spectrum
Alloromantic: someone that isn't aromantic or on the aromantic spectrum
Acearo: asexual aromantic
Alloaro: allosexual aromantic
Alloace: alloromantic asexual
Note: if the dictionary is incorrect or I used a word wrong, please tell me so I can fix it!
quite a bit is an understatement tbh but i get what you mean . i don't think it's getting better tho
People still confuse aromanticism with asexuality and it's very tiring to have to correct them. I have seen aro being talked about more during pride related things which makes me happy, but we've still got a long way to go...
Yo. He/him here. I'm also an English major, and I'd like to weigh in on the neopronouns issue.
While I don't use neopronouns, and I do think they're valid, I also know that they do have a bit of an uphill battle linguistically. Yes, language can and does change, and those changes can be fast and drastic, but adding new pronouns to the English language is not something that's going to be quick and easy in this circumstance. Existing pronouns have built up a lot of linguistic momentum (even aside from the bigots trying to remove it from the discourse), so adding to them is going to take some strong linguistic pressure over time. Add to this the fact that each different neopronoun has it's own separate challenge to being widely accepted as part of common parlance, and there really isn't a way to make a unified front to add a bunch of them. Once the first breaks through, then it will probably get easier for others; but until then, it's going to be awkward for the majority of people to use neopronouns.
Like I said, neopronouns are valid, but it's going to take time and effort before they feel "natural" for the majority of English speakers to use. Some - and only *some* - of the resistance to neopronouns isn't a result of any resistance to trans or NB people (or any others who use neopronouns), but because of linguistic inertia; so try to be understanding of people.
Huh, didn't really think about that.
thank you, I've always felt guilty about being confused with pronouns other than he/him, she/her, they/them, and it/its, even though I have no problem with trans, NB, and etc people
Yeah I don’t feel comfortable using neopronouns because I’m very interested in grammar/language and it just doesn’t seem to check out in my head. That being said if someone uses them I will just force myself to, avoid using any pronoun when discussing that person, or avoid the person. I don’t wanna be mean or try to cause trouble.
But also, as a bisexual, I don’t like how it feels like a lot of the lgbt community thinks science shouldn’t be relevant when talking about gender/sexuality either. I just believe that humans are biologically wired beings and must have a reason for operating a certain way. Dysphoria has a medical basis, for example. There’s actual research done that validates it, not just “I felt like it so I told people it’s real”. The feelings matter, but a solid grounds for its existence matters too. We can also understand how homosexuality develops in the womb. But we can’t provide a scientific grounds for why someone wants to be bee/bee self, besides “I felt like it” and my brain can’t deal with it and sees it as pseudoscience. I know some people think gender is super fluid and like an expression of whatever you want it to be, but I don’t think that’s compatible with science.
Life is too goddamn beautiful to spend your time squabbling about flags.
She/her
Advanced English honors here, planning on minoring in it.
Neoprouns are odd, I'm not going to lie and say I understand them. However they can be a tricky one because yes, it technally doesn't fit in the English language, and it's interesting how it's a phenomenon only in English. But also language can evolve, but is it realistic to expect such a fast evolution?
So I have adhd that results in memory loss and sparatic actions. I tend to get confused with neopronouns, and I have a couple friends that use them.
an easy fix for me was just using they/them because it's an umbrella pronoun. You can be she/her, he/him, xe/xur Ect, and "they" is used to describe anyone in the English language regardless of identification. I've asked them about it and they generally agree.
It's like how some people call everyone "bud", it's not gendered, and doest make any assumptions about identity.
Simple, if you have the ability to use various neopronouns and rememver who specifically uses them in your life, do it.
If ya know your gonna fuck up,
They/them is both a pronoun and a description word for all people. It doesn't make assumptions, and you can be any gender and still be called it.
I agree that neopronouns definitely take getting used to since they've just recently started becoming more popular in modern times, and if you struggle with using neopronouns it's okay, but quick sidenote that some people don't like they/them!
Just like people might be uncomfortable being called he or she, people can feel uncomfortable being called they/them as well, so if you struggle to use neopronouns for someone and are afraid of fucking it up, sit down with them and discuss what you both could do to compromise on something that the neopronoun user feels comfortable with.
I'm no expert, so maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but I was under the impression that neopronouns _do_ exist in other languages.
In Spanish, for example, some people use 'elle' in place of 'el' and 'ella' (and in general replacing 'a' and 'o' with 'e').
@@moonstrifflimestone5493 from what I know, they exist in the same way that xe and xur do, nothing that like "bunself" or "treeself"
Not just in english, portuguese speakers made the neopronoun "elu" because we don't have any gender neutral pronouns like "they", I imagine other languages with the same problem might also have gender neutral neopronouns
As someone else said, there are people who dislike they/them pronouns. It's less of an issue when using they/them because you don't know their pronouns, but when you do you should attempt to use them correctly.
An example of someone who dislikes they/them would be my friend. She's a trans woman, and her transphobic family often uses they/them as a way to not technically misgender her but to ignore that she's a woman. Needless to say, she hates it. Just one example of many.
As a straight guy who supports the lgb community, I still don’t really understand the concept of non-binary people or neopronouns, because my native language doesn’t have separate words for gender and s ex, and also the concept of gendered pronouns doesn’ t exist in it.
Aside from my lack of understanding I still support the community, I just learned to not give a damn about why people feel this way and just accept it.
you forgot the T
*lgbt
LGBTQ+*
@@BaumworldI have the same problem,and for a long time I thought that neo pronouns were just a white western thing and exclusive to English because it doesn’t translate well into other languages.I’m trying to be more accepting and understanding because I don’t want to judge anyone but sometimes I have to stop myself from assuming or skipping over difficult pronouns because it means a lot to people
Wheres the T, Q
As a kinky queer person I personally have been dealt with a lot of shame around it. Being exposed to general kink-shaming and slut-shaming and being told by other people in the lgbtq community that my sexuality is wrong caused me to almost go back into the closet. Because I do live up to the sexual in bisexual. It's not that I believe that kink should be at family prides I just believe it should have a space to exist as being truly proud.
I like how you sneak in Lance every way possible it’s fun
also pronoun check: i identify with he/him, i've been called she and they too because i used tp present very feminine and it never bothered me either
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I get called he/him Irl but my pronouns are she/her, I am way too awkward to correct them and I'll look like an idiot for telling people I'm trans because I have a pretty deep voice for my age so, oof.
@@khlonoaa if it doesnt bother you much then its okay but if it makes you feel bad to be called he or him then the best thing tp do is ask the people you trust/are close to that you prefer other pronouns. I think most people would understand
@@blaydee4982 Thanks for the response, I might tell one of my friends, he is a pretty nice guy and will definitely accept me no matter what but the rest of my friends are pretty anti LGBTQ in fact one of them even harassed a gay person on roblox at one point and I felt really shitty for not doing anything about it.
@@khlonoaa just be careful especially if youre young, preteens and teens can be very childish about that sort of stuff, but if you're an adult and your friends are too then they should accept you for who you are, if they are your friends they should at least
hello fellow homosexuals, happy gay month!! wow, can’t believe every gay person ever was born on this month, that’s wild.
as for my pronouns, i use he/they/its pronouns and of course support people who use neopronouns!! y’all are valid af and ur pronouns are super rad :D
I also use he/they/its
@@tortis6342 same! :0
PRONOUN TWINS I USE HE/THEY/IT TO
hi my pronouns are he/vix/void/them, i recently started using them and they're so comfy dhfkgkdj
@@askmewhocandiceis happy you found your comfy pronouns!
We really need to use a better term than MLM since that also stands for multi level marketing
i've heard some people use "achillean" as a replacement for MLM.
@@stuckonaslide ooh that’s a lot better
Ok the mlm flag thing is crazy as a lesbian, i think it's super cute and it's like we were best friends at camp who made similar bracelets because we're good friends
As a black guy who's been a "closet" pansexual for years; I always wondered why limit yourself to labels? You're more then just "Gay" or "Trans" and you can be prideful in your sexuality even if you're straight. Pride Month is about equality and love for everyone, not just those who happen to be apart of the LGBT community and if you feel like those who aren't hetero are inferior then you're a terrible person, LBGT or not.
Facts.
alot of nd people feel a lot more comfy with labels! i am the opposite (labels make me nervous) but i have nd friends who really like having specific labels. thrh like to have clear cut ways to explain things :o)
tbh, I have at least adhd (at least) and seeing other stuff abt nd people liking labels im very confused lol they make me feel trapped, but yeah. I absolutely hate using the trans label for myself bcs I just feel like a guy. Good points here
I feel like in a perfect world we wouldn't have labels in the first place
Straight hetero cis black guy here, same opinion
I go by all pronouns, I really don’t care what people call me online. And I support my Neo pronoun users!
Same!!!
Same!!
Same
Even other language pronouns? 👉👈
@@nokukichimoybm8212 for me sure! As long as it's not derogatory
I'm just a cis girl, she/her, maybe demisexual, but man...
Over my years on the internet and living, I learned how much the lgbtq+ community struggled and fought for how far they have come now. And it sucks that there is infighting and stuff like this happening. It's a community for acceptance and now they aren't accepting everyone, it's so dumb and ironic and sad!
Hello?
if you tried to explain the toothpaste flag discourse to a victorian child, their brain would melt.
I think that we should have Adult pride events and large Pride events for everyone because that’s more importent. A RUclipsr named “Jesse Gender” gave light on to this subject and I think the “Kink at Pride Discourse” is a nuanced discussion that could be had at a later time because I feel like it’s oxymoronic and Ignorant to argue this when a huge wave of legislation is being taken place around the world… Hungary, Poland, US Red States, etc…
Btw I do use neo pronouns but my pronouns are She/her/fae/faer/bun/bunself
I also use they/them as a alternative but prefer she/her
Your pronouns are so pretty ❤️
Yes!! Jesse Gender’s vid on kink at pride was super well done! I think Joey did a decent job explaining that there is nuance but also wanted to focus in on the events that should be all inclusive, which is valid.
Love your pronouns ☺️
@@Worsteverything Awe thank you and agreed!
how do u use neo pronouns in a sentence, i'm curious
@@natanbruh just like regular pronouns. Just like you do nicknames honestly. Ex: she likes dessert/fae likes dessert/bun likes dessert neopronouns are basically just nicknames but work like pronouns ie neopronouns..
Look, I'm not saying that slurs are good, I'm just saying that if someone called me an Ice Monkey, I'd feel pretty cool
Sounds like it could be a Pokemon and I'm down for that.
agreed
and also..
im down for mayonaise monkey anytime, hate the stuff but like, a monkey made of vaguely edible substance? where to sign away darlings~!?
I am a Cis het male, but I feel like the LGBT community has enough trouble getting torn down by queerphobes. Why do their job for them?
EDIT: I realized I overstepped with what I said. I know the LGBT community isn't homogenous and not everyone will agree with each other. I was looking at it from a narrow perspective.
As a fellow cis het male I agree
queerphobes as in LGBT people who hate LGBT people? lol
Hello fellow ally, I agree
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 I mean people who aren't LGBT. I meant to use it as an umbrella term for homophobes, transphobes, etc.
@@SashedPotato Same I agree
The stuff on the MLM flag is like saying "Oh you use the American Flag? That means you are Xenophobic towards the UK beacsue it's basically thesame flag (Even tho it's so different that you can differentiate it from 20 kilometers away)"