Great explanation video. But seriously, on max effort day there is always immense side pressure bone pain. Does that ever subside or do your bones always have to readapt as weight increases?
Well since you're doing some kind of side pressure on a regular basis on conjugate you should always be getting stronger. I don't get that pain when I've been training more than a few weeks.
It’s a variation that I write into programs but if it’s all you do then you’re missing a huge component of center-table pressure. Most people use a lot of drag when they train “side pressure” with the pulley in front and often don’t adequately exercise their elbow connections this way.
@@minhhale it’s possible to do freely in air but you will compromise accuracy. For the band work it’s fine, for isometrics it’s important to be able to load off the elbow.
All are talking about inner elbow pain, i never got that from Sidepressure. My Problem is brachialis pain right on the outside of the upper Arms, any Tips or experience on that?
That’s a result of overuse in general, not side pressure specifically. I’m willing to bet your regular practices last a couple of hours and you pull until you’re totally ganked, eh? Even if not, you’re overdoing it and not giving your brachialis muscle time to fully recover before tearing it down again.
@@AW_Raute every day is too much unless the daily volume is pretty low. I only program 3 days a week for armwrestling stuff and then a day or two for pressing and back
@@AW_Raute It’s the same for me my elbows don’t hurt when I train side pressure it’s the Brachialis and I don’t train it daily and it usually doesn’t hurt the same day it’s usually the next day it’s seem like it’s muscle pain and not tendon pain even though it feels different than normal muscle soreness.
What do you think about starting with corner to corner lifts before doing peg to peg? In my opinion it’s very rare that you’ll be apply side pressure on the table without you or your opponent applying any back pressure / drag. I think corner to corner lifts might be more applicable to the table for this reason anyways.
Side pressure to the corner is one of the variations I program. That said, don’t go down the slope of trying to replicate armwrestling with every loft or you will end up concluding that only table time is accurate enough for armwrestling. You don’t need to do too much with drag because it’s mostly about positioning on the pad. When you’re doing this from the front of the pad, they can’t keep dragging from the back without fouling so theirs options are limited. And with your shoulder committed, you’re combining back and side in order to drive anyway.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I just think it's rare you'll apply a straight to the side vector on the table. The point of choosing your vectors is to replicate how you arm wrestle. Even todd hutchings attacks more diagonally than straight to the side in order to open up the opponent's biceps. Even if you intend on going straight to the side, you'll likely have to resist your opponent's drag (or back pressure if they run out of pad), which means they'll be a pad to pad force component that you need to resist. The only application of a straight side vector is keeping a presser's hand out of his shoulder line, but even then it's a good idea to combine it with backpressure. I don't understand your second point. When you do a corner to corner lift, you can only drag the length of the pad yourself unless you run off the back.
@@ehoc42 I think you should put in some time training like this and then judge whether you think it's applicable or not. I think you'll be surprised at just how similar this feels when you commit this way in a hook with your shoulder committed. As far as the backpressure and rotation aspects, the wrist wrench does a very good job stressing the hand in a similar way without having to change the cable direction. Even so. They're just exercises meant to approximate components of armwrestling, not replicate every match scenario. You need these sorts of variations to continue to build up the structures you use and that's why corner to corner IS one of the variations I program. I don't consider it the best for building pure side pressure because it's not pure side pressure. Nothing can accurately portray every component of armwrestling simultaneously except for actual armwrestling but I never claimed to replicate every possible pressure in a match with any exercise.
You can do it without a table. Wrist wrench is extremely easy to make so if you don’t have one, just cut a 2-3” wide PVC pipe to 8-9” length, drill two holes in it (each one being an inch from each end) and put a strap through the holes and tie a knot so the strap doesn’t come out. Then roll it up a bit for the exercises. You also can gorilla glue some sandpaper on it to make the PVC more grippy.
Chris I made a video asking for arm wrestling community for something very similar to what you are talking about. It’s roughly 3minutes but I was wondering if you could help me out because I’m not getting specific enough of an answer.
de manera que la clave para evitar el dolor del codo en el side pressure es hacer cuping con la muñeca, es decir, mantenerla flexionada durante el mismo? muchas gracias!
Subbed buddy stay consistent that's key.
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Hey Chris. Loving all your content 🦍🦾
Thanks for this vid. Really useful
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Great explanation video. But seriously, on max effort day there is always immense side pressure bone pain. Does that ever subside or do your bones always have to readapt as weight increases?
Well since you're doing some kind of side pressure on a regular basis on conjugate you should always be getting stronger. I don't get that pain when I've been training more than a few weeks.
@ Thank you. And yes I train sidepressure on a regular basis so hopefully time (and a boatload of collagen supplements) will strengthen them.
great channel bro keep it up 🙏
What's your take on training side pressure with a pulley directly in front, instead of perpendicular?
It’s a variation that I write into programs but if it’s all you do then you’re missing a huge component of center-table pressure. Most people use a lot of drag when they train “side pressure” with the pulley in front and often don’t adequately exercise their elbow connections this way.
@@ChrisDrummondAW yeah makes sense. Is it necessary to have a table to plant or elbow on, or can you do this exercise freely on the air?
@@minhhale it’s possible to do freely in air but you will compromise accuracy. For the band work it’s fine, for isometrics it’s important to be able to load off the elbow.
amazing your videos are very helpful thank you. 🦾
All are talking about inner elbow pain, i never got that from Sidepressure. My Problem is brachialis pain right on the outside of the upper Arms, any Tips or experience on that?
That’s a result of overuse in general, not side pressure specifically. I’m willing to bet your regular practices last a couple of hours and you pull until you’re totally ganked, eh? Even if not, you’re overdoing it and not giving your brachialis muscle time to fully recover before tearing it down again.
@@ChrisDrummondAW i dont do tabletime, but train with weights daily, yeah probably overused...
@@AW_Raute every day is too much unless the daily volume is pretty low. I only program 3 days a week for armwrestling stuff and then a day or two for pressing and back
@@AW_Raute It’s the same for me my elbows don’t hurt when I train side pressure it’s the Brachialis and I don’t train it daily and it usually doesn’t hurt the same day it’s usually the next day it’s seem like it’s muscle pain and not tendon pain even though it feels different than normal muscle soreness.
God bless you my bro
This helps a lot!
Are there any gym substitution exercises for if you can't bring your table into a gym?
Use the cable row Bench
Can i still get a good connection with a low setup cable system
What do you think about starting with corner to corner lifts before doing peg to peg? In my opinion it’s very rare that you’ll be apply side pressure on the table without you or your opponent applying any back pressure / drag. I think corner to corner lifts might be more applicable to the table for this reason anyways.
Side pressure to the corner is one of the variations I program. That said, don’t go down the slope of trying to replicate armwrestling with every loft or you will end up concluding that only table time is accurate enough for armwrestling.
You don’t need to do too much with drag because it’s mostly about positioning on the pad. When you’re doing this from the front of the pad, they can’t keep dragging from the back without fouling so theirs options are limited. And with your shoulder committed, you’re combining back and side in order to drive anyway.
@@ChrisDrummondAW I just think it's rare you'll apply a straight to the side vector on the table. The point of choosing your vectors is to replicate how you arm wrestle. Even todd hutchings attacks more diagonally than straight to the side in order to open up the opponent's biceps. Even if you intend on going straight to the side, you'll likely have to resist your opponent's drag (or back pressure if they run out of pad), which means they'll be a pad to pad force component that you need to resist. The only application of a straight side vector is keeping a presser's hand out of his shoulder line, but even then it's a good idea to combine it with backpressure.
I don't understand your second point. When you do a corner to corner lift, you can only drag the length of the pad yourself unless you run off the back.
@@ehoc42 I think you should put in some time training like this and then judge whether you think it's applicable or not. I think you'll be surprised at just how similar this feels when you commit this way in a hook with your shoulder committed. As far as the backpressure and rotation aspects, the wrist wrench does a very good job stressing the hand in a similar way without having to change the cable direction.
Even so. They're just exercises meant to approximate components of armwrestling, not replicate every match scenario. You need these sorts of variations to continue to build up the structures you use and that's why corner to corner IS one of the variations I program. I don't consider it the best for building pure side pressure because it's not pure side pressure. Nothing can accurately portray every component of armwrestling simultaneously except for actual armwrestling but I never claimed to replicate every possible pressure in a match with any exercise.
@@ChrisDrummondAW thoughts on beginners going heavy on corner to corner before their elbows are conditioned enough for straight side max efforts?
How would I train isometrics for my inner elbow if I don't have a table, wrist wrench, etc?
You can do it without a table. Wrist wrench is extremely easy to make so if you don’t have one, just cut a 2-3” wide PVC pipe to 8-9” length, drill two holes in it (each one being an inch from each end) and put a strap through the holes and tie a knot so the strap doesn’t come out. Then roll it up a bit for the exercises. You also can gorilla glue some sandpaper on it to make the PVC more grippy.
Chris I made a video asking for arm wrestling community for something very similar to what you are talking about. It’s roughly 3minutes but I was wondering if you could help me out because I’m not getting specific enough of an answer.
What video?
I shared a link and it seems to have disappeared. I’m going to upload it to my channel on RUclips instead of a Tik tok link.
@@ChrisDrummondAW ruclips.net/video/L3gx-zEmvag/видео.html
@@ChrisDrummondAW the video is on my channel now I tried to post a link but if it won’t stay in the comment section it is on my channel now.
I’d love a video on elbow rehab
Maybe. It would mostly rehash what I have here but I guess I could be specific about rehab. Maybe a general rehab video instead of just the elbow.
de manera que la clave para evitar el dolor del codo en el side pressure es hacer cuping con la muñeca, es decir, mantenerla flexionada durante el mismo? muchas gracias!
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I lifted 330 lb for biceps can you?
Sure can't.
“The medial epicondyle, which is obviously not on the forearm.” Pffft. Obviously.
if you’re really jacked it could be on the fivearm
Too much talking too little showing
By all means watch another channel if this style doesn’t suit you.