They were doing that in 1981 - I used to stand waiting on Westbourne Park tube station platform in the morning and sometimes once a 125 came past you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. Rather like standing near a Volkswagen in fact.
I used to drive the 43's out of Kings X up the ECML... With 4500 hp under the bonnet ( 2250 hp ) one up front and one up the botty there was plenty of power on tap... Pulling out of the station on notch five with the Paxman Valenta turbo's screaming their little heads off and clouds of exhaust smoke ( sorry Greta Thunberg ) was something to behold with more excitement to enjoy... 125 mph here we come although they would top 148 mph... Now there is food for thought but as I did not fancy tea and biscuits with the Boss well need I say more.. 1
I was always stood next to the engines on Doncaster Station with the massive heat haze and noise in the British summertime, where does the time go 🤣, awesome growing up in the 70s 80s, can't fkn believe I'd ever miss thatchers Britain.
Hellfire!! Went behind 43050 the other day from Notts to St Pancras, love the sound of the VP185, at least it's something what with the Valenta's gone. I always book First Class on EMT HST's too, to be right behind the power car :)
Regardless of turning the wiper off, I'm surprised it didn't slow down when the engine was cranking, that must be a huge load on the batteries. All I can figure is that the wiper was powered by something other than the same batteries used to start the engine.
What you say is very interesting. One idea would be to install a Webasto system as used in colder Scandinavian countries to pre-heat vehicles an hour before use. One could fit a heating coil in the fuel tank, or an electrically heated trace line wrapped around the diesel supply pipe between tank and injectors. At sea steam traces from a low pressure boiler is used.
That's interesting. So essentially, there is an electrically powered thermal coat embedded in the lagging for almost the entire diesel supply system that is independant of the engine but makes for an easier and cleaner start... yes? Makes sense to me. Does the system bother to heat the return fuel line as well? Or would the returning diesel just be taken care of by the tank emersion heater? Sorry, I'm a Fitter and Turner on trains in Australia and I find obscure information like this interesting.
VP185's are FAR better sounding than MTU's! Now that the Paxman Valenta's have all gone, these are the only HST engines left that sound great. MTU's are boring.
Try pre- heating the diesel as on they do on marine engines. Then the sprayed particles can burn properly. "Clag" is A) Inefficient B) Causes cylinder wear. C) Contaminates the lubricating oil.
@@pootispiker2866 Yeah a steam turbine engineer who drove supertankers worldwide for 9 years knows very well what is to be done. Shall I tell you? Nö! way!
@@peterwoods5310 Yeah, i totally believe that ship engines get preheated. On locomotives, that is very much not the case. They have no heating equipment, external or otherwise. If they get too cold (
You could always tell when an HST at or through York Station ECML had a 43 power car borrowed from the Midlands. The ECML native units were Brush and loads quieter than the old Valentas.
MTU. MTU is who made the engines, all Brush did was fit them and rewire them. + I think they also did the VP185s, which also had Brush coolers. Pretty sure MTUs either had Brush or Voith coolers, or a mix depending on TOC
@@Danse_Macabre_125 Every day's a schoolday when you run into people who know what they're talking about. In my ignorance I was basing it on the coincident appearance of new Brush plaques on the ECML HST locos that had been updated.
@@warringtonminge4167 It's alright, quite a small mistake + the only reference to MTU were nameplates on FGW's 43020 and the ECML's 43290. I've seen the same BRUSH plate on XC powercars, so can't blame you for being a tad confused
@@etsmp_gh no Valentas in use for many years now (except on preserved prototype). Most now have MTUs with a few Mirrlees. (Those that are left in service!)
There's nothing wrong with that prime mover. Valentas and VP185s are known for their oil burning and smoke. The smoke is from the fact the engine is cold, residual oil inside the cylinders and how a fuel pump governor works, ie, overfueling at startup. You can clearly see that the smoke dissipating as soon as the fuel pump governor settles and the revs become constant. There's no defective gasket, no water in cylinders, no defective injectors and the engine wasn't 'misfiring' (diesels don't do that anyway), if you know anything about how an engine should sound you can clearly hear that it was running on all 12 pots as soon as the revs build up.
In the stations in the Bristol area, we don't see class 43's start up from cold very often, as they start them up at St. Phillips Marsh depot. They then run them for a bit, before shunting the set into the station. When one is shut down in between services, when they restart, there is a lot less smoke and they fire up quickly.
I disagree that the VP185 is known for oil burning & smoke, the model is far better than Valenta in that regard, especially lubricating oil smoke. Have a look at `XPT at Wauchope' to see what i mean. They are also approx. one Tonne lighter each engine compared to Valenta.
@@derektaylor2941 I would say that the engine is pretty near cold for whatever reason. The video below shows how the VP185 behaves after a short shutdown :- ruclips.net/video/LY8ypfOvLkU/видео.html
That's water in one of the cylinders (blown head gasket) It will of cleared about 15 mins later, until next time. If it was an injector it would of been dark smoke, what you see is a mixture of steam and unburn't diesel.
No, this is a V12 PAXMAN VP185 Engine a more. The MTU is a V16 MTU R41 Engine much more efficient than that. MTUs are in FGW, East Coast, Cross Country and the NMT HSTs
what has the military got to do with this post ?????? we are talking diesel locomotives here doh and in actual fact clag means smoke in railway terms - steam engines (kettles) are good at it to
Clag is the term adopted for the exhaust fumes that are emitted from the engine of the locomotive. It's just one of many terms that have been applied to certain aspects of a locomotive's characteristics when being operated.
On the XPT you can see the lights dim as the starter operates, another difference as compared to the Class 43. Search `NSW Trainlink- XPT- WT28 start up and departure - Lithgow - 14th October 2020' here on RUclips.
That man in the white who moves away from the smoke cos it might be a bit dangerous even though he has chosen to wear a t-shirt in what appears to be sleet.
I've seen people complain about excessive diesel smoke from trains then go outside the station, light up a cigarette and proceed to puff that in people's faces. Hypocritical much? At least diesel fumes smell better.
Not all the time, depends how long they have been shut down,!when they have been on the platform all night and started in the morning yes alittle smokey but you must admit they sound good.
A lot of moaning minnie's on here, clag is wholesome and just the thing for clearing ones lung in the morning, can't believe they don't charge for this service, if I have another child I shall name him/her Clag.
That young lad next to the engine just loving the smell of that clag …..A day he will never forget ( that’s if he is still alive ) 👍🎥🥇💪
It's the way careers start, chatting to those that do the job.
@@flybobbie1449 He's Probably driving them now
@@JacobGrimaR761 they are gone
@@Ruralemmanuel1no they aren’t
I always loved that smell when I was younger. It probably didn't do me much good.
No smoking on the platforms
Eaton9Speed 😂😂😂😂😂
Eaton9Speed this includes e cigarette
Blorox Cleach don't u get it the Train is smoking diesel exhaustion at the platform
Bradley Caslin I know
HST Thug Life
They were doing that in 1981 - I used to stand waiting on Westbourne Park tube station platform in the morning and sometimes once a 125 came past you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. Rather like standing near a Volkswagen in fact.
*Engineering - if anything deserves a 👍 this does!*
Good to see the fastest diesel can still produce a fair amount of clag
Gotta laugh at that dude sat down he weren't hanging around when then started up haha
As a life long heavy smoker that video makes my lungs feel fresh again.The turbo spool up on the Valentas was almost devilish.Great stuff.
We get it, you vape 💨.
I didn't know that Volkswagen made locos
Mark Doyle The new Volksagen be like this xD... But the old?
😂😂😂😂😂
I used to drive the 43's out of Kings X up the ECML... With 4500 hp under the bonnet ( 2250 hp ) one up front and one up the botty there was plenty of power on tap... Pulling out of the station on notch five with the Paxman Valenta turbo's screaming their little heads off and clouds of exhaust smoke ( sorry Greta Thunberg ) was something to behold with more excitement to enjoy... 125 mph here we come although they would top 148 mph... Now there is food for thought but as I did not fancy tea and biscuits with the Boss well need I say more..
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@@derektaylor2941 I am now 72 my friend but memories of those bygone days will stay with me forever... Thank you for your comment...
I was always stood next to the engines on Doncaster Station with the massive heat haze and noise in the British summertime, where does the time go 🤣, awesome growing up in the 70s 80s, can't fkn believe I'd ever miss thatchers Britain.
Hellfire!!
Went behind 43050 the other day from Notts to St Pancras, love the sound of the VP185, at least it's something what with the Valenta's gone.
I always book First Class on EMT HST's too, to be right behind the power car :)
Checkout `XPT at Wauchope' here on YT for better VP185 sound imo
I always turn my wipers off before trying to start my car..
I think the wipers were on so the smoke would not fog up the windshield.
Yes, on alot of cars the wipers are interlocked to stop when the starter motor is engaged.
Regardless of turning the wiper off, I'm surprised it didn't slow down when the engine was cranking, that must be a huge load on the batteries. All I can figure is that the wiper was powered by something other than the same batteries used to start the engine.
Air powered wiper, I'd say
Yea, more battery power that way
Love the smell of Valletta Salad day's... needed that to Class the HSTs in the day,Platform 5.43185,always deluded me.
What you say is very interesting. One idea would be to install a Webasto system as used in colder Scandinavian countries to pre-heat vehicles an hour before use. One could fit a heating coil in the fuel tank, or an electrically heated trace line wrapped around the diesel supply pipe between tank and injectors. At sea steam traces from a low pressure boiler is used.
That's interesting. So essentially, there is an electrically powered thermal coat embedded in the lagging for almost the entire diesel supply system that is independant of the engine but makes for an easier and cleaner start... yes? Makes sense to me. Does the system bother to heat the return fuel line as well? Or would the returning diesel just be taken care of by the tank emersion heater? Sorry, I'm a Fitter and Turner on trains in Australia and I find obscure information like this interesting.
There is no trace on the return line to the diesel tank.
The VP185 is basically the son of the valenta he may not scream but he clags just like his father...
Oh they scream when the drivers give it to them alright, I’ve seen videos
Like how that passenger got up and walked away from the clag. Wimp!!! Lol
Euro 6 diesel compliant Mr London Mayor?
Yes.
@@billythomas1135 No it's not..
iAspex. I’m only joking. It obviously isn’t. Still. Amazing engines.
Nothing that makes 2700hp will ever be Euro6 lol
Anglo Fire Yep, lol
clag...I'd have just said shite! For example, "Look at all that shite that fucking train is spewing out"
VP185's are FAR better sounding than MTU's!
Now that the Paxman Valenta's have all gone, these are the only HST engines left that sound great.
MTU's are boring.
VP185's sound better in the XPT imo. Checkout `XPT at Wauchope' (the longer of the 2 videos with that title although i like both) here on RUclips.
Try pre- heating the diesel as on they do on marine engines. Then the sprayed particles can burn properly. "Clag" is A) Inefficient B) Causes cylinder wear. C) Contaminates the lubricating oil.
But looks great
Preheating? You're absolutely clueless lmao. Where you gonna get the heat from? Little bitty glowplugs??
@@pootispiker2866 Yeah a steam turbine engineer who drove supertankers worldwide for 9 years knows very well what is to be done. Shall I tell you? Nö! way!
@@peterwoods5310 Yeah, i totally believe that ship engines get preheated. On locomotives, that is very much not the case. They have no heating equipment, external or otherwise. If they get too cold (
You could always tell when an HST at or through York Station ECML had a 43 power car borrowed from the Midlands.
The ECML native units were Brush and loads quieter than the old Valentas.
MTU.
MTU is who made the engines, all Brush did was fit them and rewire them. + I think they also did the VP185s, which also had Brush coolers.
Pretty sure MTUs either had Brush or Voith coolers, or a mix depending on TOC
@@Danse_Macabre_125 Every day's a schoolday when you run into people who know what they're talking about. In my ignorance I was basing it on the coincident appearance of new Brush plaques on the ECML HST locos that had been updated.
@@warringtonminge4167 It's alright, quite a small mistake + the only reference to MTU were nameplates on FGW's 43020 and the ECML's 43290. I've seen the same BRUSH plate on XC powercars, so can't blame you for being a tad confused
very nice video mate , really well filmed looked my old jaguar lol....liked and subscribed . keep up the great work . keep safe .
Thanks for the sub!
We used to delude ourselves this was an environmentally friendly way to travel. Between this and the stinky brakes, it never was.
Still, its massive capacity means it has less emissions per passenger (or kilograms for freight trains). Later on, most trains are electric.
because the engine was cold
Caused by use of wet coal ;)
Nice video friend ,great work!💖💖💖💖
Thank you! Cheers!
Just awesome
Sounds exactly like a Valenta on start up.
It is
@levi Renwick that's the noise yow ass make when your boy pull out yea
@@bonkeydollocks1879 these horrid engines I can't go to sleep when they go full power...😠😡😡
@@etsmp_gh 99% don't have the valentas in now, mirlees usually, very quiet reliable unit
@@etsmp_gh no Valentas in use for many years now (except on preserved prototype). Most now have MTUs with a few Mirrlees. (Those that are left in service!)
It's going to be a steam loco when it grows up 😀
There's nothing wrong with that prime mover. Valentas and VP185s are known for their oil burning and smoke.
The smoke is from the fact the engine is cold, residual oil inside the cylinders and how a fuel pump governor works, ie, overfueling at startup.
You can clearly see that the smoke dissipating as soon as the fuel pump governor settles and the revs become constant.
There's no defective gasket, no water in cylinders, no defective injectors and the engine wasn't 'misfiring' (diesels don't do that anyway), if you know anything about how an engine should sound you can clearly hear that it was running on all 12 pots as soon as the revs build up.
In the stations in the Bristol area, we don't see class 43's start up from cold very often, as they start them up at St. Phillips Marsh depot. They then run them for a bit, before shunting the set into the station. When one is shut down in between services, when they restart, there is a lot less smoke and they fire up quickly.
This is normal for most big diesel power plants. Clag.
I disagree that the VP185 is known for oil burning & smoke, the model is far better than Valenta in that regard, especially lubricating oil smoke.
Have a look at `XPT at Wauchope' to see what i mean. They are also approx. one Tonne lighter each engine compared to Valenta.
@@derektaylor2941 I would say that the engine is pretty near cold for whatever reason.
The video below shows how the VP185 behaves after a short shutdown :-
ruclips.net/video/LY8ypfOvLkU/видео.html
Amazing start up
POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
Quality British engineering
LOL ye :D
Used to love watching the midland mainlines starting up like that in Sheffield
All sing along, smoke gets in your eyes.
That's water in one of the cylinders (blown head gasket) It will of cleared about 15 mins later, until next time. If it was an injector it would of been dark smoke, what you see is a mixture of steam and unburn't diesel.
No smoke, no poke
a right kind of clag
No, this is a V12 PAXMAN VP185 Engine a more. The MTU is a V16 MTU R41 Engine much more efficient than that. MTUs are in FGW, East Coast, Cross Country and the NMT HSTs
The engine stops hunting and the exhaust appears to be clearing @1.14 1:10
awesome capture friend..great stuff...super vdo..greetings from India!!!
WOW! Pretty smoky!
if it was flying scots man it wouldn't have started at all haha :)
Quick! We need a smoke screen across the platform! 😂
Breath that in lad. Like 10,000 Woodbine cigarettes in one
@ACTractionLTD they ran it on back powercar from neville hill to leeds
They could have waited until it was out of the station !
CLAGTASTIC wish i was there next to it
That poor boy will be on the ventolin within the year!
Great video
Hubba Hubba ... All that pollution is really good for everyone, just love it
Didn't steam end in Aug 1968.?????
Thanks mate :D
Why are some HST olden years so loud as this years they are silent quiet Have they had a silencer fitted lately
Very nice !
Where this place?!
When this video was taken?!?!?!
Is there a steam train coming? No just a Intercity 125! haha!
Do the paxman engines have glow plugs? And are they direct injected?
I don't think they do have glow plugs. They are direct injection.
My asthma could never ☠
Lucky guy there inhaling smokes
Sure its not running on steam like old times!!
Yeah, it's a problem with using wet coal.
Fell sorry for the guy with the newspaper
My dad, was a steam train.
I'll be taking the train to Leeds tomorrow. Will let you know if the smoke has cleared.
So good
MEGA CLAG FTW
That is why they replaced them with MTUs lol but why is it taking so long to fire?
Clag is a military term for fog.
what has the military got to do with this post ?????? we are talking diesel locomotives here doh and in actual fact clag means smoke in railway terms - steam engines (kettles) are good at it to
burghilll1979 You clearly aren't very intelligent are you?
+Alex Kirkland nor are you by the looks of things
I love this please tell me how you get so many cab rides
love the clagg
Rammer Gramps who doesn't
Sounds like a cold start of a Class 37...lol :-)
Nope
Its amazing
Don't let Greta see this, she would say 'how dare you'
YOU ARE EVERY FUCK8NG WHERE 🤯
hello there what is clagg why is it called that.please let me know thanks.
Clag is the term adopted for the exhaust fumes that are emitted from the engine of the locomotive. It's just one of many terms that have been applied to certain aspects of a locomotive's characteristics when being operated.
thank you steve for your answer to my question about clag.B.F.N
I have to ask are these engines have electric starters or are they air start?
They are electric start.
On the XPT you can see the lights dim as the starter operates, another difference as compared to the Class 43.
Search `NSW Trainlink- XPT- WT28 start up and departure - Lithgow - 14th October 2020' here on RUclips.
Best to leave the engine running I think, however long at Leeds this train would normally have.
I wonder what the clag was when they were new
Going to miss these:(
Hehehe...the poor guy on the seat gets smoked out and leaves... he should have breathed the smoke in while he had the chance!
That man in the white who moves away from the smoke cos it might be a bit dangerous even though he has chosen to wear a t-shirt in what appears to be sleet.
Obviously a Geordie. They have a different definition of cold.
What’s the definition of clag? Uncombusted diesel?
Nah just smoke for the brit railways
All that smoke to power a window wiper
Wonder what the people on the platform thought
I've seen people complain about excessive diesel smoke from trains then go outside the station, light up a cigarette and proceed to puff that in people's faces. Hypocritical much? At least diesel fumes smell better.
And this diesel fuel is used efficiently: haul lots of passengers.
Is this like when the train terminates in a station and then they turn it around and it goes back the way it came?
Not all the time, depends how long they have been shut down,!when they have been on the platform all night and started in the morning yes alittle smokey but you must admit they sound good.
OI DRIVER .......STOP VAPING! 😂😂😂😂
Lol.. I've seen builders vans at traffic lights like that when there's two or three of them sat there all vaping!! 👍👍👍👍
Lol choking the man in white
Sounds like my uncle when wants to use my toilet 🤣
That’s a few Normals poisoned 😆
overhead cam sounds like it`s stuck.....
Like a alsthom cat engine
A lot of moaning minnie's on here, clag is wholesome and just the thing for clearing ones lung in the morning, can't believe they don't charge for this service, if I have another child I shall name him/her Clag.
That thing is a flag MONSTER .-.
My dream job!
My dream job would be designing trains, building them or driving them. 😊
Thanks
that kid would be me
Thought these would be left running
MEGA MEGA CLAG
this thing looks like a gas station energy drink can
Smokin'.
Faulty carburator as you can hear that pattern of sound,it is normal for an old train but this is what causes starting-clag
These VP185 units don't run carburettors..
🙄 - It’s a diesel, and they have direct fuel injection ✅