Surprised there was not a bit of help. I have seen a petrol soaked rag used too. I think a bit of something would reduce the litres of unburnt fuel breathed out the exhaust. Maybe even some preheating.
Help me out there, what is that? Just a good rage quit tantrum or something like an additive to put into the engine? I know nothing about this stuff. Obvious, isn't it?
@@nomon95 These things aren't used in urban subway environments. These rail systems are exclusively electrically operated. BR Class 50 as seen here does not take this long to start when it's working properly. This is a badly preserved locomotive.
@@paulanderson79 WRONG This was during "The Beast from the East" Also, this loco is using a 1962 (DP2) engine. Mechanical injector system and no cold start aids.
The class 50 has a reputation for sustained heavy smoking exhausts on start up, a preserved railway had a 50 with a shed in a town centre, the railway agreed not to start up the 50 on shed due to the complaints from the public, it would be hauled somewhere else on the line for the startup. Used to live at Hayes on the GW mainline, the 50s would leave Paddington and be reaching line speed of (I think 100 mph) through Hayes station, at 100 mph the50 would fly through the station the EE engine making a memorable deep bass booming sound, delightful!
“Absolutely beautiful music”?, farts sound infinitely more beautiful than this ugly polluting crude-noise maker. Even London Underground trains from the 1920’s looked and sounded attractive than this junk.
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That white smoke is unburned diesel fuel. The starter is cycling the engine to warm the combustion chambers. Only when you hear the cylinders popping and the smoke changing colors are the cylinders coming on line. They are rarely if ever shut down as long as this old girl was.
If I close my eyes and just listen, I can see an old John Deere A pulling the hay rack out to the field.. What awesome locos these must have been. Thanks for the upload.
Does anyone have any problems with their PD engine messing up the oil really quickly? I think it's because oil pressure is used to activate the injectors, and the oil pressure for that is astronomical!
I grew up around BR and rode the rails all my childhood and adolescence, I enjoy trains but I don't have a clear understanding why the old English Electric, BREL and Sulzer locos are so hard to start even after sitting just a couple of days. Can anyone share why that is?
@ RODALCO2007 48 cells 2.2v each giving 105.6v. Auxiliary gen charges and runs the auxiliaries at 110v once up and running. Keep zapping those pesky wasps Sir !!!
I remember seeing these Hoovers thundering through Surbiton at 75 MPH!!!! I can still hear the sound as they hit that bridge just south of the station!!
Love the EMT goons in a flap over a bit of clag John ! Good job I wasnt there with my jump leads 'ala 20142 and 37240' if you remember all those years ago John !!!
Yes that's exactly what happened they came flapping with their walkie-talkies thinking it was on fire! The driver was stood cool as a cucumber next to me watching them before they enquired if it had a driver with it!
This Loco is in need of repair, head gaskets injectors etc, i worked with these engines for 10 years as a Shunter at Penzance, and the class 50 Locos would cover 1000 miles in 24 hours every day. Penzance to Paddington, Padd to Birmingham, then to Oxford, then Swansea, back to Padd, then Penzance. This one isn't the norm.
I used to rebuild marine Diesels and I laterally have no idea how or why any Diesel would struggle that much to start, and I've started them with blow lamps ! Though I obviously accept English Electric and Napier were not fools and this was the way it had to be done.
This is typical for an English Electric on a cold morning. Only barely enough compression to fire at all, no glowplugs of any kind. She cranks until a few cylinders start to hit, and then those cylinders keep the engine turning as it gradually warms up and comes alive. Eventually the driver revvs it slightly to get the last few cylinders firing and the engine ready to pull.
I truly don't understand how this was ever deemed acceptable. Surely any sensible railway would refuse delivery of locos that struggle and sputter for a solid 10 minutes while choking the entire railyard at every cold start. Yes i get that they have to warm up gently, yes i get that true cold starts were uncommon, yes i get that it doesnt have to start perfectly, but this just seems ridiculous. Not even from an environmental standpoint, imagine having to work or live downwind.
All though very cool and great sounds, I do not understand why diesal trains do not just start up like other diesal vehicals like my van, turn the key and off you go, what is with the 10 minute startup?
Cold 16 cylinder low compression engine (about 10 inch diameter pistons) with no glow plugs or pre-heater relying on compression for engine heat to ignite the diesel, that's why it's a 1 cylinder at a time until it's warmed through until all 16 are merrily firing!
Reminds me of my Scania V8 143-420 back in the day. It stood like this on a cold winter day for a long time. So i drew the handthrottle back(yes they had one back in the days) and went to shower before I'd take off. Came out, and the poor cold 14,3 liter Scania engine was revving at 2000 rpm. That really hurt me. But no, the engine took no damage. Pew
GBRF have just done a tie up with the 50 fund & 50007 & 50049 are due to emerge from Eastleigh works in full GBRF cols, they are used on railtours & odds & sods stuff really. They are doing a railtour from London - Penzance & back this coming Saturday
Thought they might be nipping to ATS for a new battery at one point. How the hell do the batteries manage to sustain that turnover cycle? Don't think this one's "carbon neutral" btw! lol!
The started motor on this is not all that much bigger than a heavy truck battery and once one cylinder kicks in the starter is just cycling the engine as others kick in.
Once a couple of cylinders fire, it makes enough power to keep the engine turning without the starter. At the 4 minute mark the driver exits the engine and it stays turning, since enough cylinders were firing to keep it going as it warmed up.
Believe me, cold start up of an SNCF CC72000 is worse. I lived in a railwayman's hostel overlooking the stabling point at Nancy a few years ago. At 3am one winter morning I was woken up not by the noise but by the stink of diesel fumes even though the window was closed! A beast of a machine the CC72000, the old hoover is most civilised in comparison, lots of happy memories of watching them on the GWML in Cornwall in the 80s...
@@johngoodale4961 I found this: ruclips.net/video/zMcp8HDn47E/видео.html I just love the SNCF Voyages inscription on the side at 4.53. Only knobs from marketing who've never seen one in the flesh could be responsable for that...
I think he did when he went into the engine room. Not sure though. Given this loco had only been stood for 3 days, i.e., probably still warm, quite surprising how poor this start up was.
@@cidertom5140 I know, I was being a bit faecetious, though for all I know a 2-stroke loco engine could have some other system that has a similar effect in terms of elevating the air-fuel mix / restricting the intake to make starting easier at the expense of dirty exhaust and limited power/revs... Seems they could have throttled up a bit earlier to get it running smooth?
If you look the driver takes his finger off the start button at 1 minute 50 on the video & the revs drop slightly before slightly recovering where it's just about self sustaining. Yes unburnt diesel vapour most of it
I remember when this loco was a nice interesting green with a black and gold line down the center and lovely black 'n' brass number plates and name plate...."SIR EDWARD ELGAR"
Daft question but I'm not a train afficianado so forgive me. What is the white smoke? Is that unburned diesel? It looks rather like steam. If it is unburned fuel wouldn't everything end up coated in diesel?
I think the Governor over fuels these engines during startup, they would start easier with less fuel imo. Modern engines such as MTU I believe start on part `throttle'
that's kind of the way to do it. you see that with my old Chevy in the dead of winter get it going after it did a little starting die a few times crank over crank over once and it was going to stay running and warm up walk back inside have a couple coffee
Because that is a surplus of unburnt diesel fuel in the cylinder being burnt which produces the popping sound. The excess fuel produces carbon which is the dark colour.
Please forgive my ignorance, but why are these engines so hard to start from cold? I thought diesels had glow plugs that do away with this problem. Or is it their massive size that just makes them take longer?
This particular one has no form of pre-heating & no British railway locomotives have any form of glow plugs. I believe English Electric engines as this one are "low compression" engines" compared to others fitted with Sulzer engines that start far earier in cold conditions. Most of the white "smoke" you see in uncombusted diesel vapour
I was never that fond of them in the 70s and 80s (EE’s earlier work was far better), but actually they’re not bad looking locos. I must be getting old.
The driver takes his finger off the start button at 1 minute 50 secs in the video where the engine is just about self sustaining on about half of its 16 cylinders, most of the other cylinders then start to fire as the engine picks up speed on its own slowly! From pressing the start button up until the driver releases it at 1 minute 50 the loco's generator is motoring the engine over from the locos batteries. Hope that helps!
Fantastic diesel engine! So Clean Running! Well! It's white smoke! Fantastic pulling machine sure if it's looked after it would never ever stop running
cant the engine be speeded up to get going like I do with my truck in the morning. cant understand whats going on here.Drop of easy start would liven it up
Yeah IDK why ... even the locos in the USA, when cold, start and get up to idle within a 10 seconds. The old ALCO locomotives are an exception, they are like these British ones, they huff and puff for a while before firing on all cylinders.
EasyStart (otherwise known as ether) could RUIN an engine like this. I've seen bent connecting rods when some idiot tries to start one of these on ether.
@@robwilde855 No, I actually meant Connecting rods. What happens is that the ether ignites before the piston is way before top dead center and the explosion tries to push the piston down while it is still coming up, bending the connecting rod on that piston. I have even seen a crankshaft break apart, and a head crack from this. (back when I was in college, I worked in the Sunnyside Railyard in NY) This is why you should NEVER use this stuff on a diesel engine this big (unless the engine is designed with an ether injection system which would inject the ether at the proper time in the compression cycle).
who new that watching old diesels starting could be so satisfying to watch :P
The only vehicle that can be spotted from space.
and it's effects felt all around the world (global warming)
This thing wont make any difference just go to the us or china.
J R When you consider that when this pulls a passenger train, it takes 500 cars off the road.
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And they banned drivers from smoking in the cab for health reasons
imagine start this loco in a close station as subway station!!!!
@@nomon95 subway are you a yank?
No ,Argentine. this is a suposition,this loco never can start in a sub station with this clag.
@@nomon95 hahaha the tunnels and stations would be full of unburnt diesel for about a mile either side of the loco
Yeap,agree!!
A few cans of "Start Ya Bastard" would have helped here.
Surprised there was not a bit of help. I have seen a petrol soaked rag used too. I think a bit of something would reduce the litres of unburnt fuel breathed out the exhaust. Maybe even some preheating.
Help me out there, what is that? Just a good rage quit tantrum or something like an additive to put into the engine? I know nothing about this stuff. Obvious, isn't it?
Thomas Wilkinson it’s ether in a can, used to start up cold Diesel engines
Patricio Garcia and it is really called "Start Ya Bastard?" That tickles my funny bone. 😂Thank you for telling me.
@@thomaswilkinson3241 yes it is, it's sold in canada under that name
16 cylinder engines don't sound too clever when 14 aren't firing.
Yeah we know
Imagine in a depot...
Cesar B all die,the clag is toxic because is fuel vaporizated,not burn,Clag is white colour. Or in a subway station try to start....impossible!
@@nomon95 These things aren't used in urban subway environments. These rail systems are exclusively electrically operated.
BR Class 50 as seen here does not take this long to start when it's working properly. This is a badly preserved locomotive.
@@paulanderson79 WRONG
This was during "The Beast from the East"
Also, this loco is using a 1962 (DP2) engine.
Mechanical injector system and no cold start aids.
This is a perfect representation of me trying to get up on a Monday morning
ha lol same
I feel this statement on a spiritual level.
lol, its also a perfect representation of me hours after eating hot curry
What makes Monday so special?
I only start up feeling like this if there's a "d" and a "y" in the day
@smf333Fortunately I've another 35 years until then so I have no need to worry
The stop/start optional extra was seldom requested on this particular model.
Didn't have it in 1967
@@g8ymw joke went over your head mate
Euro 6?
Hold my beer...
Beautiful sounds :-)
The class 50 has a reputation for sustained heavy smoking exhausts on start up, a preserved railway had a 50 with a shed in a town centre, the railway agreed not to start up the 50 on shed due to the complaints from the public, it would be hauled somewhere else on the line for the startup.
Used to live at Hayes on the GW mainline, the 50s would leave Paddington and be reaching line speed of (I think 100 mph) through Hayes station, at 100 mph the50 would fly through the station the EE engine making a memorable deep bass booming sound, delightful!
Summed up perfectly!
Nearby Derby resident - Bugger , I knew I shouldn't have put my clean washing out this morning lol
And most people in the 1800s & 1900s had the same problem with steam!
@@lesreed7943 yeah haha apart from coal smoke doesn't smell much as an odour
Looks like they've chosen the new pope....😁
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And changed their minds several times
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this thing makes a steam engine look green!
Love the way the driver got out at the start like "NOTHING TO DO WITH ME" haha
Absolutely beautiful music. Love the way each cylinder pops as it comes to life.
“Absolutely beautiful music”?, farts sound infinitely more beautiful than this ugly polluting crude-noise maker. Even London Underground trains from the 1920’s looked and sounded attractive than this junk.
Who many cylinder's does it have?
Beautiful old diesels. Lots of horse power when pushed.
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Great video of a great locomotive, thanks for sharing 👍🙂😷
I had to use this Engine in 1981 on late turn at Penzance for Shunting, when the pilot 08644 was in for maintenance, didn't smoke much then.
Probably maintained at Plymouth Laira in those days.
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That white smoke is unburned diesel fuel. The starter is cycling the engine to warm the combustion chambers. Only when you hear the cylinders popping and the smoke changing colors are the cylinders coming on line. They are rarely if ever shut down as long as this old girl was.
3 days?
Mullay2 You wouldn’t get a 3516 B running like that ...
If I close my eyes and just listen, I can see an old John Deere A pulling the hay rack out to the field.. What awesome locos these must have been. Thanks for the upload.
Damm you're right! It DOES sound like a Johnny popper.
3:40. The guy “ I’m just going to walk out of this before it blows up” lol
Moron
Legend has it that even to this day, it's still waiting for the last 6 cylinders to awaken.
Not a mosquito to be found.
Superb comment
Because bugs love winter..
No Greta’s either 😂
Fantastic video dear Friend love it. God bless you. Happy Day
1:50 get the jump leads
I like the way the driver gets out and buggers off while waiting for it to start! 😂
just like my golf tdi pd in the morning
fred bloggs same here with my Polo😂👏🏾
150bhp ARL by any chance lol
Those 1.9 PD engines are really nice. Yeah they are loud, but reliable as heck.
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Does anyone have any problems with their PD engine messing up the oil really quickly? I think it's because oil pressure is used to activate the injectors, and the oil pressure for that is astronomical!
I grew up around BR and rode the rails all my childhood and adolescence, I enjoy trains but I don't have a clear understanding why the old English Electric, BREL and Sulzer locos are so hard to start even after sitting just a couple of days. Can anyone share why that is?
Lovely job John! Thanks for that!
In fact, here's a few more 👍👍👍👍👍👍on top of the first one!
Awesome slow start, interesting that diesel railway loco's never had glowplugs installed. Good batteries. 48 or 72 Volts system ?
There is actually a small power station stored in the rear. Batteries would be futile
@ RODALCO2007 48 cells 2.2v each giving 105.6v. Auxiliary gen charges and runs the auxiliaries at 110v once up and running. Keep zapping those pesky wasps Sir !!!
@@MrCsfootage Thank you for your reply. I will keep an eye out for those pesky wasps.
I remember seeing these Hoovers thundering through Surbiton at 75 MPH!!!! I can still hear the sound as they hit that bridge just south of the station!!
Close your eyes and it sounds like a Depeche Mode backing track.
Great video John! I think I am your 600th subscriber lol. Congrats on the milestone! All the best. Cheers Caleb
Thanks Caleb!
And the Diesel Locomotive was supposed to replace the polluting steam engine!
Don't worry, it's just liters of oil burning up. It moisturizes your respiratory system.
More like line oil companies pockets with money. U can burn anything to make steam
Clearly you've never seen a steam locomotive working hard. Enormous black clouds of soot and bits of unburned coal.
If all those envirment and green people would stop breating it would reduce 50% C02 and the world would be a much better place
David Fuller it was a tounge in cheek remark. Get a sense of humour.
A good DJ can make awesome remix with this startup...
What causes the the flame out of the dragons mouth?😮
@7:31 the giant is finally awake and starts taking deep breaths
How much of batteries does this take?
Love the EMT goons in a flap over a bit of clag John ! Good job I wasnt there with my jump leads 'ala 20142 and 37240' if you remember all those years ago John !!!
Ha Ha yes they were great days mate!
BIT of clag?
What's the starting mechanism? . Is it using a starter motor or a small steam engine to start the diesel engine?
Looks like the despatch staff havn't seen a 50 start from cold before!
Yes that's exactly what happened they came flapping with their walkie-talkies thinking it was on fire! The driver was stood cool as a cucumber next to me watching them before they enquired if it had a driver with it!
They may never have even seen a loco fire up before. Clearly an interest in railways bars someone from a railway career these days.....
Great bit of classic br footage sir, thanks for sharing, all the best, Paul
“I love the smell of diesel first thing in the morning “ !!!
How much oil just to start it?
This Loco is in need of repair, head gaskets injectors etc, i worked with these engines for 10 years as a Shunter at Penzance, and the class 50 Locos would cover 1000 miles in 24 hours every day. Penzance to Paddington, Padd to Birmingham, then to Oxford, then Swansea, back to Padd, then Penzance. This one isn't the norm.
Excellent record; this popped up in November 2024. I wonder where the loco is now?
I used to rebuild marine Diesels and I laterally have no idea how or why any Diesel would struggle that much to start, and I've started them with blow lamps ! Though I obviously accept English Electric and Napier were not fools and this was the way it had to be done.
This is typical for an English Electric on a cold morning. Only barely enough compression to fire at all, no glowplugs of any kind. She cranks until a few cylinders start to hit, and then those cylinders keep the engine turning as it gradually warms up and comes alive. Eventually the driver revvs it slightly to get the last few cylinders firing and the engine ready to pull.
I truly don't understand how this was ever deemed acceptable. Surely any sensible railway would refuse delivery of locos that struggle and sputter for a solid 10 minutes while choking the entire railyard at every cold start. Yes i get that they have to warm up gently, yes i get that true cold starts were uncommon, yes i get that it doesnt have to start perfectly, but this just seems ridiculous. Not even from an environmental standpoint, imagine having to work or live downwind.
All though very cool and great sounds, I do not understand why diesal trains do not just start up like other diesal vehicals like my van, turn the key and off you go, what is with the 10 minute startup?
Cold 16 cylinder low compression engine (about 10 inch diameter pistons) with no glow plugs or pre-heater relying on compression for engine heat to ignite the diesel, that's why it's a 1 cylinder at a time until it's warmed through until all 16 are merrily firing!
@@johngoodale4961 , Thanks for the clear explanation, makes sense now.
Reminds me of my Scania V8 143-420 back in the day. It stood like this on a cold winter day for a long time. So i drew the handthrottle back(yes they had one back in the days) and went to shower before I'd take off. Came out, and the poor cold 14,3 liter Scania engine was revving at 2000 rpm. That really hurt me. But no, the engine took no damage. Pew
And the environment thanks you that...
How does the starter battery keep that up?
Lost my interest in modern rail once the mainstay 50s 33s 56s etc in the 90s. Nice to see them back on the mainline. Are these used regularly?
GBRF have just done a tie up with the 50 fund & 50007 & 50049 are due to emerge from Eastleigh works in full GBRF cols, they are used on railtours & odds & sods stuff really. They are doing a railtour from London - Penzance & back this coming Saturday
Fantastic video!
the driver left the junk and went look for a coffe
Like a boss
Well it’s gunna be about an hour before it gets up to any reasonable temp
JUNK ? How dare you !
Thank you I so love the class 50
Thought they might be nipping to ATS for a new battery at one point. How the hell do the batteries manage to sustain that turnover cycle? Don't think this one's "carbon neutral" btw! lol!
The started motor on this is not all that much bigger than a heavy truck battery and once one cylinder kicks in the starter is just cycling the engine as others kick in.
Once a couple of cylinders fire, it makes enough power to keep the engine turning without the starter. At the 4 minute mark the driver exits the engine and it stays turning, since enough cylinders were firing to keep it going as it warmed up.
RUclips randomly showed me this video like 5 years ago. Been trying to find it again for 5 years. 🤣
Believe me, cold start up of an SNCF CC72000 is worse. I lived in a railwayman's hostel overlooking the stabling point at Nancy a few years ago. At 3am one winter morning I was woken up not by the noise but by the stink of diesel fumes even though the window was closed!
A beast of a machine the CC72000, the old hoover is most civilised in comparison, lots of happy memories of watching them on the GWML in Cornwall in the 80s...
Would love to see footage of one of those!
@@johngoodale4961
I found this:
ruclips.net/video/zMcp8HDn47E/видео.html
I just love the SNCF Voyages inscription on the side at 4.53. Only knobs from marketing who've never seen one in the flesh could be responsable for that...
As a kid on holiday in France we called these Diesels "blue diesels"due to sncfs colour scheme. They were indeed smokers .
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Perhaps an overhaul should be in order?
New rings and injectors definitely in order
Fires on 1 cylinder at a time
what is the time difference from a cold start with cold fuel oil to underway time? now the same start with warm fuel oil to underway time?
About a minth's time
Cool vid. Best diesel start ever! As an engineer I really wanted to go and lift the fuel pumps and give her a fighting chance of bursting into life.
I think he did when he went into the engine room. Not sure though. Given this loco had only been stood for 3 days, i.e., probably still warm, quite surprising how poor this start up was.
At which point is it considered "started"? I can't imagine any battery can last this long cranking that motor.
My man, I am going to start my loco, wait for me.
*9 minutes*
So what happened around the 7:30 point... turbos finally spooled? Driver remembered to push the choke in?
Just more throttle.
No chokes on diesels.
@@cidertom5140 I know, I was being a bit faecetious, though for all I know a 2-stroke loco engine could have some other system that has a similar effect in terms of elevating the air-fuel mix / restricting the intake to make starting easier at the expense of dirty exhaust and limited power/revs... Seems they could have throttled up a bit earlier to get it running smooth?
Impressive flame out. You can see why they’ve electrified a lot of the network. Even so you can’t beat a good old hoover
How long is the starter engaged during the start-up process?
You can see the driver take his thumb off the start button at 1 minute 52 seconds into the video & the revs dip slightly as he does
3:31 " I'M GOING 'OME !!!!" or " I TOLD YOU NOT TO SWITCH IT OFF !"
I always wondered if adding a Webasto would help these at startup
8 mins 33 secs of coughing and spluttering. This makes the case for electrifying the MML better than anything!
...and even then it runs like shit
watch a 125 start up
John Dean stfu
No it doesn't
Not if Failing Grayling has his way
whats all the white smoke? Fuel vapor? And at what time did the engine actually start?
If you look the driver takes his finger off the start button at 1 minute 50 on the video & the revs drop slightly before slightly recovering where it's just about self sustaining. Yes unburnt diesel vapour most of it
This is why diesels in regular service don’t get shutdown. Better to keep them on idle than go through this routine (but it is fun to watch!).
I remember when this loco was a nice interesting green with a black and gold line down the center and lovely black 'n' brass number plates and name plate...."SIR EDWARD ELGAR"
As a kid I used to watch em come into King's Cross and Euston. THUNDEROUS noise 😅
It's great to see a environmentally friendly company at work! lol....btw, I love trains.
When does the diesel actually finish starting and actually run?
Driver takes his finger off the button around 1 minute 50
Now I came to know why locomotives never shut off
Even up to about 3 mins into the video is this engine being cranked over by a starter motor?
I think the driver takes his finger off the start button around 1 min 50 secs looking at him
Ands they say smoking is bad for your health!
@TOMEK GREENTEA And that silly comment has WHAT, to do with the video? Fool...
Daft question but I'm not a train afficianado so forgive me. What is the white smoke? Is that unburned diesel? It looks rather like steam. If it is unburned fuel wouldn't everything end up coated in diesel?
Yes unburnt diesel
I think the Governor over fuels these engines during startup, they would start easier with less fuel imo.
Modern engines such as MTU I believe start on part `throttle'
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that is a class 50 not a VW
Seems similar engine to the 37's engine start. Why do Deltics seem to start so much quicker with much less noise?
Reminds me of starting 16 cylinder Paxman diesel generators in the RN in the 1960’s
To be fair, it’s just like me starting my Chieftain tank in 1978
Is that water vapour or diesel smoke?
Unburnt diesel
@@johngoodale4961 thanks John but isn’t that harmful to the environment?
Loved the way he got out and let the loco get on with it.
that's kind of the way to do it.
you see that with my old Chevy in the dead of winter get it going after it did a little starting die a few times crank over crank over once and it was going to stay running and warm up walk back inside have a couple coffee
Why does it sound like it runs on 1 or 2 cylinders only?
That fine line between starting up and appearing to be on fire....
Great video ! 👍
Darby express head line "strange mist hangs over darby for several days cause a mystery'
The popping has darker smoke.Why?
Because that is a surplus of unburnt diesel fuel in the cylinder being burnt which produces the popping sound. The excess fuel produces carbon which is the dark colour.
Very nice, makes my Detroit seem tame.:)
Please forgive my ignorance, but why are these engines so hard to start from cold? I thought diesels had glow plugs that do away with this problem. Or is it their massive size that just makes them take longer?
This particular one has no form of pre-heating & no British railway locomotives have any form of glow plugs. I believe English Electric engines as this one are "low compression" engines" compared to others fitted with Sulzer engines that start far earier in cold conditions. Most of the white "smoke" you see in uncombusted diesel vapour
@@johngoodale4961 Right. Thanks. They're still mightily impressive though.
I was never that fond of them in the 70s and 80s (EE’s earlier work was far better), but actually they’re not bad looking locos. I must be getting old.
How long should it take to start one of these? Surely not nine minutes. Anyone know what is wrong with it?
Always the same when cold! if warm it takes 10 seconds unyil they're running normally!
As of april 9th 2019 it is still slowly coming to life...
So I'm just thinking: what is spinning that engine that long? Is it some pressure system? Or big-ass starter motor?
The driver takes his finger off the start button at 1 minute 50 secs in the video where the engine is just about self sustaining on about half of its 16 cylinders, most of the other cylinders then start to fire as the engine picks up speed on its own slowly! From pressing the start button up until the driver releases it at 1 minute 50 the loco's generator is motoring the engine over from the locos batteries. Hope that helps!
@@johngoodale4961 Yes, that does help! :) Thank you sir
Fantastic diesel engine! So Clean Running! Well! It's white smoke! Fantastic pulling machine sure if it's looked after it would never ever stop running
I take it, 3 days is a long time for a train to be in shutdown?
And they said to you that your e-cigaret is against to low at the platform.
Is it actually developing any power for the first 3 minutes or do they have the best batteries in the world?
Yes
cant the engine be speeded up to get going like I do with my truck in the morning. cant understand whats going on here.Drop of easy start would liven it up
Yeah IDK why ... even the locos in the USA, when cold, start and get up to idle within a 10 seconds. The old ALCO locomotives are an exception, they are like these British ones, they huff and puff for a while before firing on all cylinders.
EasyStart (otherwise known as ether) could RUIN an engine like this. I've seen bent connecting rods when some idiot tries to start one of these on ether.
@@markemanuele1929 Bent push rods, you're probably thinking of. Which definitely has happened.
@@robwilde855 No, I actually meant Connecting rods. What happens is that the ether ignites before the piston is way before top dead center and the explosion tries to push the piston down while it is still coming up, bending the connecting rod on that piston. I have even seen a crankshaft break apart, and a head crack from this. (back when I was in college, I worked in the Sunnyside Railyard in NY) This is why you should NEVER use this stuff on a diesel engine this big (unless the engine is designed with an ether injection system which would inject the ether at the proper time in the compression cycle).
At what point did the starter finally disengage? That was a slow crank at the start