Hey guys thanks for watching! Just want to clear up one thing I’m seeing in the comments regarding ps5 arcade sticks. Most PS4 generation controllers should work even on PS5 games as long as they’re “officially licensed”. Unofficial controllers like ones using the Brook UFB will generally work on a PS5 console but only if you’re playing a PS4 version of the game or if u have their Brook UFB PS5 upgrade PCB. The Victrix Pro FS-12 isn’t the first PS5 controller, it’s just (as far as I’m aware) the first all button controller that is officially licensed and thus, natively compatible with PS5 games. Regarding tournament rules: I’m told that last input priority socd cleaning is allowed at EVO but not in CPT events. I wasn’t aware of this so be sure to refer to the official rule sets of any event you plan to enter. Thanks again for watching! What’s your favorite feature of the Pro FS-12?
@NihongoGamer, wait a minute... with all due respect, how on EARTH did you manage to get the white hitbox style? its not even out until November and many of us are on the waitlist and dying to get one!!! ARGHHh...
@@battosaijenkins946 he likely got one because he reviews them for youtube. But if you preordered a stick during EVO it was guaranteed by Victrix to ship this month. November is just for the hard release
@nihongoGamer have you tried testing it with PC? I tried but the SFV doesn't register any buttons at all. Tried binding the buttons manually in Steam and I can't do it because steam demands I bind the two joysticks and D pad, which obviously, this thing doesnt have. Is there a work around?
@@battosaijenkins946 pre order. I got one at the same time too. you had to pre-order like RIGHT after Evo. Batch was small, and the next batch is in Nov.
I have the Victrix M.Bison Limited Edition, I play KOF 15 (PS5 Version) but I was wondering if these newer Victrix use the same Pcb or newer? 🤔 I was thinking on buying this newer version but if it's rocking the same pcb as the limited edition then it's not worth it because the limited edition it's way cooler 😎.
@@Jampuzz Right! I actually can apply grippy vinyl of any color on with design. The hardest part would simply be how to vectorize the image for plotting.
Would love to see input lag test for this PS5 compatible PCB. For $400, I would have liked to see MX-Style buttons similar to Gamerfinger or Crown-202's. $2.50 buttons in a $400 controller is a bit steep. Especially, considering they are targeting the enthusiast market with this stick. If they want to be the "Ferrari" of sticks don't cheap out on the wheels. Great review.
Wait this is $400? What makes it worth that much I can get an Xbox elite controller for cheaper than that and that thing has way more technology packed into it as far as I'm aware?
The controller looks nice and it probably feels nice to play on but for $400, I would think you would get something a little more. That's asking a lot for a controller like this, especially with relatively cheaper buttons (Sanwas are nice and the standard but I think they could have used mx style buttons or something) and the stranger layout for all button controllers. It seems like they saw the trend of all button arcade-style controllers and decided that they could make some money by offering a premium in a category that doesn't have one unless you go custom but it feels like they cut a few corners. It's nice that it's officially licensed and compatible with PS5 but I still don't see why anyone would want to pay $400 for it over any alternative.
I would gladly just take apart a controller buy the wood and the buttons and build it my damn self break out that soldering iron & work 💥💫 It’s worth it
@@RealziesCuts You don't even need to do that. You can get a steel case from AllFightsticks, a Brook UFB+UP5 bundle with all the wiring and all Sanwa pushbuttons from ArcadeShock for 366.01. That's less than this with compatibility with more consoles and the only thing you really have to do is wire it up.
I pre-ordered the stick version of this. I’ll adopt an all button controller when cheaper ps5 options are available. I’m also not sold that the most optimal and ergonomic button layout has been figured out for those
Finally a video about this All-button controller! I've got mine pre-ordered and I've been looking for someone to take a deep dive on it. Thank you again for the information as always!
I’m actually considering this since this is one of the only button box controllers that natively supports the PS5. There’s also the MPress, but I’m pretty sure that’s still sold out.
I've been slowly getting back into fighting games, and stumbled upon your vid about making the diy leverless controller and ended up making my own. It swiftly went through a couple revisions, first being build in a plastic box similar to yours, then soon after picked up a leverless case from arcade world UK. I built mine with seimitsu buttons and the UFB. that controller now does everything I want it to do and more!
@@kendo2732 It's just called "awuk empty metal hitbox case" it's the only option on arcade world UK. Tho there are plenty other options out there for all sorts of designs and preferences
Note: SOCD and SOCD cleaning/resolution are not the same thing. There are a few methods to clean inputs and can be axis specific - Neutral Priority L+R = N - Last Input Priority L+R=R/R+L=L - Absolute Priority U+D=U/D+U=U - First Input Priority L+R=L/R+L=R With regards to SOCD cleaning and tournament legality. It really depends on what tournaments you are talking about. Nearly all major tournaments don't have a specific requirement for the method, only that you must have SOME form of cleaning and are not sending SOCD inputs. CPT updated their rules and now require either neutral priority or no SOCD at all.
@@Lee313FGC Not only that, for me the reason I got this pre-ordered is because of the material. The matte-type aluminum helps with my sweat, because I have a sweaty palm problem. Either way it's a premium stick, and I could understand why people wouldn't want to spend that much dough for this controller.
I hope Quanba or Razer decides to Invest on full button layout eventually as well... they are getting popular and now that victrix is on board idk if the Hitbox patent is real or not. but having this licensed in a big deal as we move forward into the next gen, specially for competition as Sony Runs some of the biggest ones and most will probably run on PS5
@@ADreamingTraveler Yeah! the cammy one looks great!! there is also the victrix, but i think there will be many more that start making these … Hori probably soon?
Never did I expect PlayStation to drop an official hitbox... Good on them for taking that initiative! Seeing that pricetag of 399.99 had me hugging my custom hitbox though. And I think at that price point I'd rather buy a snackbox micro or a MPress if I'm being completely honest.
The only problem with things like the Snackbox, or MPress is that you also need the UP5 PCB to get it to work with the PlayStation 5. I'm assuming that you're using the Brook UFB in the Snack box, or MPress. The MPress might be more challenging since there's less room to add the UP5.
@@Ratel3000 if you haven't got the answer since your message : they are in a partnership with Brook, so they produce their "own" PCBs with the UFB+UP5 built in without the need to use these for their product. So they don't need much space because Brook just does the job for them on it :)
Not sure I’m a big fan of almost all buttons being 24mm, it feels like a lot of the “real estate” of the stick is just kinda wasted being so empty. But otherwise it’s pretty slick, Victrix quality as always.
The one aspect that would make me try this over a Hitbox is the ample amount of space to rest the wrist. I didn't like how I was on the hard angle edge with Hitbox. Hopefully more companies make a larger design like this.
Mpress has more buttons, bigger menu buttons, and better location of menu buttons, for less money. It is nice to see a big company finally make a button box, however. I hope more do it.
They need to just make the bodies compatible with a stick, one of the button holes can easily be used for a stick especially if they want to keep cost up with the big body that isn’t needed for a lever less.
I like the wrist rest on my pearl hitbox. whenever I need to make a quick input my palms will naturally lift. when i do slides i will not rest my palms but in normal play the palms are sweaty... from resting on the panel
I have one of these too. My comments: Be aware!!: screw-in buttons DO NOT FIT in this controller. I tried to put Crown Samducksa screw-ins in this controller and they don't fit properly. The controller appears to only want snap-ins (there are little notches in the underside of the inside of the case for the tabs on snap-in buttons). Also, the company appears to have just used the extract same hinged door on the bottom as the stick version, leaving the totally useless plastic mold for an extra joystick, taking up MORE space in the already very limited space in the case. The company also ran wires right through the middle of the buttons, making changing them out way harder and nerve racking than it should be. Overall, great stick, def worth it. But, def some major room for improvements and a couple serious oversights (only fitting snap-ins, and the hinged door still having the extra joystick holder..... come on guys, y'all could have done better..... ). also waiting on a LED kit.
I’m not even that into fighting games but this high end hardware combined with the latest MK1 trailer has my attention. My order for the FS-12 has been placed. Thank you for the review. I look forward to getting whupped like a noob! Thank you for the detailed review and discussion! Edit: the FS-12 arrived and it’s a really gorgeous piece of equipment. Personally I don’t mind the long “shelf” below the buttons but I’m also still figuring out my favorite posture. The one issue I might have is the buttons are a little to firm and springy, which I think is either slowing me down or indicative of the need for me to strengthen my fingers! But I do love playing with this piece of gear.
I don't really think mortal kombat is a good game for a leverless controller, the main reason being that there is a dedicated block button, im not saying you can't do it, but blocking in mk with a hitbox is really hard, but props to you if you can get used to it
@@vBrayden__ thanks for the heads up. I’ll bear that in mind. At least I’m enjoying the discovery of guilty gear strive. What a cool IP I never would have tried on a dual sense!
I have the purple version. Installed gravity buttons rigjt away. and I got it days before tekken 8 came out and the purple paint is coming off where I lay my palms but it looks sick and I love it. No pain in fore arms once I broke my arms in
Been using this for 2 months now. got this because of your review but I didnt buy it right away. did research and made sure this is the one I want. just made sense for me. now Im sad I cant use it on my xbox despite the brook or other stuff but thats ok most fighters that are on the xbox are on pc as well so no great loss. good stuff. def a big fan and love seeing the reviews.
Hello, I hope this quesrion finds you in an old video With this leverless, can the buttons and switches be changed? Like when they inevitably die or need replacement, how easy is it to replace? What kinda of button or switches work? Thank you!
@@NihongoGamer thank you one more question. I currently have both the kitsune and the fs12 here. I like the way the buttons are closer together on the fs12. I am mostly concerned about longetivity. I find both comfortable. If you had to pick one, what would you pick? They are completely diff in some ways like the size and spacing of buttons. But my main thing is durability, replacement of buttons etc. Any recommendations if price is not an object Between these 2? I find both great just hard to settle on one
Not using mx style switches in that price range is honestly pretty bad. Dont know why i would reccomend this over something like a snackbox or even a frame1 if one wants the all aluminium body
Ok, there´s Pro and Cons as always, the major thing in Europe is, we can´t purchase it. Only shipping to USA and Canada, for an official licensed product, ridiculous.
the controller for pianist. piano exercises will come in handy for the muscle memory for moves, and remove the awkwardness when you change from 1p to 2p area/position
The easiest way is actually 1. hold forward 2. hit down with left hand 3. hit up+punch with right hand This results in f, d/f, u/f+p which in SF5 counts as a DP
Hey, love your vids. Here's a question about accessibility when it comes to sticks in general. A while ago I noticed that I'm far more consistent with my right hand when it comes to motions but I find the idea of playing with crossed arms pretty unappealing. Since I'm not that deep in Arcade Stick manufacturers I wondered whether there's enough demand for people who would rather have the Stick and Buttons mirrored --- So stick on the right and buttons on the left --- or if you basically have to build your own in that case. And who knows, maybe you find this question interesting enough to consider it for a video. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it either way.
I have a Victrix Pro Limited Edition M Bison and it's the best stick I've ever used it's super comfortable and weighted but for a Leverless stick the Victrix body might not be the best option I agree since leverless sticks don't use a 🕹 you don't really need a big box, I am thinking on buying a slim Hitbox. The Leverless Victrix is not the best bet for comfort. If you plan to buy a Fightstick I would %100 recommend the Victrix Pro but if you're thinking on getting a Leverless stick don't get the Victrix Pro.
I have a few questions, so I recently bought the Victrix pro FS 12 as well and this is my first leverless stick and have not used any sticks extensive. However I came from PC gaming so thought the transition would be better plus I feel the lever is imprecise for me. I sort of got used to it now, however, I still need to get use to pinky and ring fingers movements, is there anything I can do for that. And my fingers cramp and so do my wrists a bit. Not sure if it's more a muscle memory thing similar to when I moved from console to PC and learned wasd, it hurt at first just for the motions but got used to it so it doesn't. Is that the same case? Or should I be hovering my hands the whole time over them like a piano? Is there a particular hand placement for hitbox controllers? Would it be possible for you to do a follow up in hand placement with hitbox style controllers and the Victrix? Sorry for the long comment
For the same price you can get a hitbox made by punk workshop (the people who made tokido's hitbox) still all metal, better button layout, mechanical switches not sanwa buttons, still can work on ps5, no ridiculous over sized case, magnetic assembly, way lighter / thinner / smaller in general, the switches are hot swappable, and it manages to have a L3 and R3 button.
@@硼化二氘离子 Was about the same at the time of the comment. That said there are still tons of options out there especially now that are cheaper than this. The Victrix FS12 is just a "luxury" arcade controller in the end.
There's a way around the warning for 3rd party controllers that are being used on the PS5. If you are using the Brook UFB inside your controller, add the UP5 PCB to it, update your firmware, and you shouldn't see that warning again. This is the only way around it for unlicensed controllers I'm aware of.
The same tactic of using the Brook UFB, adding the UP5 PCB and updating the Brook UFB now also works with the Blue Brook PS4 + Audio PCB. Feel free to use this as a cheaper alternative to UP5 + UFB. I wonder how many other PCBs they plan to make compatible with the UP5? Perhaps they will come up with a new UFB?
This is a real beauty of a controller but... Original was 350$ and now they are selling practically the same product, 50$ more! And the features they added in the new line in all honesty should have been there from the the first version, Especially with that price tag. So now, Pricier and still holds some really weird problems that the competition from last gen don't have. I bought my M.Bison special edition FS with that same price when they got on Amazon , As much as im loving it, I still pull up some of my other controllers because messing with the Victrix can be really "lacking".
@@V2ULTRAKill my guy this is a 10 month old comment and you still failed to read it properly. Never once said the normal stick version costs different. I argued that the all hitbox version should cost less. Now, Carry on.
@@zobinake it shouldnt cost less Its a functional reskin of an existing product There is absolutely zero reason to charge less when the total difference between a sanwa stick and 4 sanwa buttons is less than 10 dollars and it costs more in operations to cut 4 holes than one
@@V2ULTRAKill "total difference between a sanwa stick and 4 sanwa buttons is less then 10 dollars" Sheesh won't even bother 0_o Look, i'm not starting an argument if a random on the internet on a comment from 10 months ago. W/e you say, Chief. Muting this now, Have a good one and happy Evo~
Please still drop full video on gamer finger installment, just bought this stick and completely crushed at the Reddit talk over the modification flaws.
Depends if you're getting screw-ins or snap-ins from gamer fingers. Screw-ins are very difficult to install so I don't recommend you getting those. I installed a snap-in on mine, but it's not gamerfingers, I use Qanba Gravity KS and it's pretty much 1-1. The only difference is the octagonal design with gamerfingers.
Hello! Appreciate your review on the Victrix Pro FS-12! I am also looking to get the same exact one and do have Gamerfinger buttons waiting until my Victrix comes in. I've heard a lot of clearance issues with screw in buttons for this hitbox unfortunately but seems like you are gonna make a video on the future with that. I would like to see the follow up video from this seeing all screw in Gamerfinger buttons in if its possible.
They really dropped the ball on the price. $400 is really unrealistic tbh I could buy 2 micros for that or another 2 Okiboards. It is a beautiful controller but for $400 I'll look in another direction if I ever need another arcade stick. Great vid like always Nihongo!
@NihongoGamer doubt I'm gonna get a response on a video this old but I just got this stick from the video 【Victrix Pro FS-12】 and I noticed it only seem to have 2 socd cleaning modes and neither of them is last input wins, I was curious if you or anyone in your community would know if there was any way to change this so I can have last input wins (left+right=right or up+down=down) where it favors whatever the last input read was. Anyway love your content keep up the good work. Sorry to bother you with this.
I don’t think that’s an option. Depends on whether Victrix adds it in firmware and unless the CPT rules change it’s probably unlikely that they’d add it. If you really want to use the fs-12 though you can maybe mod in your own PCB but there’s not a lot of space inside for it.
Hello. Is it hard to replace the buttons in this thing? I can’t find any guides anywhere really. Some folks say it’s impossibly hard and others say it’s not bad.
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Ive never seen any tournaments banning hitbox. So u can invest on em. Especially now they become more popular than ever, and one of EVO sponsor. Now many companies have all buttons stick too, eve official sony, which is owner of EVO, no way they will ban all button controller as they just made this victrix all button. At most only daigo gafrobox banned in 1 event back then coz they were not sure about the ruling, then allowed after that.
@@invertbrid Daigo's Gafro box had multiple directional inputs. Think crossup without a stick. It also didn't have SOCD cleaning so you could throw sonic booms without ever letting go of back
@@merkyofaycemfx2944 well true but evo didnt ban it weirdly. But yea hitbox / all button wise there are no problem and will keep being legal fpr years to come.
Other people watch these reviews for information to make their purchase decision more accurate... I watch these reviews to see if the padding is... ALL OVER THE BOTTOM :3
Hello Nihongogamer. First of all, thank you very much for this fantastic review. I believe you are the only one who can solve the issue I'm experiencing. I want to connect Madcatz Tec2+ to the Nintendo Switch using Magic-NS. I managed to boot it up once a long time ago, but I forgot the button combination. Do you have any information on how to boot it up after making the connection? Thank you.
Awesome video and review! Always look forward to get your opinions on the newest arcade sticks. I was wondering if you are still planning to do a modding video where you try to swap the buttons out of this controller? I've heard some mixed things about the modding experience since some screw-in buttons reportedly don't fit (something you eluded too in this video), so I would love to see your perspective on the modding situation with this stick. Big fan, thanks for all the amazing, fun content!
Yes! Been secretly hoping you would receive it and do a review. Kind request: Does it work with Steam Deck? Would love to see that addressed in one of your upcoming videos. Thank you 🙏
My vitrix comes in tomorrow but my buttons came in today that im going to swap out the black buttons with and bro the buttons (24mm and the 30mm) are so tiny I been watching all your vids and on camera they look so much bigger
All button inputs are more accurate than sticks? So Nintendo was actually on to something with the stock joycon and button dpad? Maybe if the buttons were closer together, like a hit box?
Joycon is a bit of step down from a dpad because u can’t really roll around and hit diagonals as easily. But if the buttons were bigger and you can assign a separate finger to each button then yes, that would be better
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Hey guys thanks for watching! Just want to clear up one thing I’m seeing in the comments regarding ps5 arcade sticks. Most PS4 generation controllers should work even on PS5 games as long as they’re “officially licensed”. Unofficial controllers like ones using the Brook UFB will generally work on a PS5 console but only if you’re playing a PS4 version of the game or if u have their Brook UFB PS5 upgrade PCB. The Victrix Pro FS-12 isn’t the first PS5 controller, it’s just (as far as I’m aware) the first all button controller that is officially licensed and thus, natively compatible with PS5 games.
Regarding tournament rules: I’m told that last input priority socd cleaning is allowed at EVO but not in CPT events. I wasn’t aware of this so be sure to refer to the official rule sets of any event you plan to enter.
Thanks again for watching! What’s your favorite feature of the Pro FS-12?
@NihongoGamer, wait a minute... with all due respect, how on EARTH did you manage to get the white hitbox style? its not even out until November and many of us are on the waitlist and dying to get one!!! ARGHHh...
@@battosaijenkins946 he likely got one because he reviews them for youtube. But if you preordered a stick during EVO it was guaranteed by Victrix to ship this month. November is just for the hard release
@nihongoGamer have you tried testing it with PC? I tried but the SFV doesn't register any buttons at all. Tried binding the buttons manually in Steam and I can't do it because steam demands I bind the two joysticks and D pad, which obviously, this thing doesnt have. Is there a work around?
@@battosaijenkins946 pre order. I got one at the same time too. you had to pre-order like RIGHT after Evo. Batch was small, and the next batch is in Nov.
I have the Victrix M.Bison Limited Edition, I play KOF 15 (PS5 Version) but I was wondering if these newer Victrix use the same Pcb or newer? 🤔 I was thinking on buying this newer version but if it's rocking the same pcb as the limited edition then it's not worth it because the limited edition it's way cooler 😎.
My main problem with Victrix products is lack of customization outside of the engravings.
I could plot vinyl decals on mine. No need to engrave. Thanks for giving me the idea for my incoming Victrix.
Engravings, give you no tactical advantage whatsoever.
@@Jampuzz Right! I actually can apply grippy vinyl of any color on with design. The hardest part would simply be how to vectorize the image for plotting.
And their customer service
Would love to see input lag test for this PS5 compatible PCB. For $400, I would have liked to see MX-Style buttons similar to Gamerfinger or Crown-202's. $2.50 buttons in a $400 controller is a bit steep. Especially, considering they are targeting the enthusiast market with this stick. If they want to be the "Ferrari" of sticks don't cheap out on the wheels. Great review.
I agree, what the hell?
And also why the viewlix layout too? If they gonna embrace the future they should go all the way.
@@Tul7a I’m pretty sure the Hitbox also uses the Viewlix layout with Sanwa parts.
@@Neoxon619 Hitbox does not use the vewlix layout. There is a bit of staggering on the rightmost buttons
Wait this is $400? What makes it worth that much I can get an Xbox elite controller for cheaper than that and that thing has way more technology packed into it as far as I'm aware?
The controller looks nice and it probably feels nice to play on but for $400, I would think you would get something a little more. That's asking a lot for a controller like this, especially with relatively cheaper buttons (Sanwas are nice and the standard but I think they could have used mx style buttons or something) and the stranger layout for all button controllers. It seems like they saw the trend of all button arcade-style controllers and decided that they could make some money by offering a premium in a category that doesn't have one unless you go custom but it feels like they cut a few corners. It's nice that it's officially licensed and compatible with PS5 but I still don't see why anyone would want to pay $400 for it over any alternative.
I would gladly just take apart a controller buy the wood and the buttons and build it my damn self break out that soldering iron & work 💥💫
It’s worth it
@@RealziesCuts You don't even need to do that. You can get a steel case from AllFightsticks, a Brook UFB+UP5 bundle with all the wiring and all Sanwa pushbuttons from ArcadeShock for 366.01. That's less than this with compatibility with more consoles and the only thing you really have to do is wire it up.
This entire video is an advertisement.
They literally took their $400 traditional stick, removed the lever, added movemeny buttons, and left the price as is
I pre-ordered the stick version of this. I’ll adopt an all button controller when cheaper ps5 options are available. I’m also not sold that the most optimal and ergonomic button layout has been figured out for those
Finally a video about this All-button controller! I've got mine pre-ordered and I've been looking for someone to take a deep dive on it. Thank you again for the information as always!
I’m actually considering this since this is one of the only button box controllers that natively supports the PS5. There’s also the MPress, but I’m pretty sure that’s still sold out.
I played a lot fighting games with Computer keywords but all buttons controller is so gorgeous
You deserved more subs and views bro compared to other channels using clickbait thumbnails or titles just to gain views
I love your video’s. I bought 2 arcade sticks and i only play fighting games becouse of you. 😌
I am 46 years old this way of playing reminds of the commodore 16 , the 80s Pcs , the amiga playing with huge mechanical keyboards
Cool design but I think I much prefer the simple look of the snackbox all button V2. Much more comfortable for me.
Tried this out at the Victrix booth at EVO that thing looks so good in person, congrats .
I've been slowly getting back into fighting games, and stumbled upon your vid about making the diy leverless controller and ended up making my own. It swiftly went through a couple revisions, first being build in a plastic box similar to yours, then soon after picked up a leverless case from arcade world UK. I built mine with seimitsu buttons and the UFB. that controller now does everything I want it to do and more!
what case did you end up buying? thinking of doing the same thing
@@kendo2732 It's just called "awuk empty metal hitbox case" it's the only option on arcade world UK. Tho there are plenty other options out there for all sorts of designs and preferences
Note: SOCD and SOCD cleaning/resolution are not the same thing. There are a few methods to clean inputs and can be axis specific
- Neutral Priority L+R = N
- Last Input Priority L+R=R/R+L=L
- Absolute Priority U+D=U/D+U=U
- First Input Priority L+R=L/R+L=R
With regards to SOCD cleaning and tournament legality. It really depends on what tournaments you are talking about. Nearly all major tournaments don't have a specific requirement for the method, only that you must have SOME form of cleaning and are not sending SOCD inputs.
CPT updated their rules and now require either neutral priority or no SOCD at all.
So does this one have SOCD? And if so, which one?
Finally I was waiting for a in person review of this! Thank you
Damn this thing is slick. I think I’ll stick to my Snackbox Micro though since it’s so portable, and also isn’t 400 dollars.
Same but the victrix is sooo pretty lol
@@Lee313FGC Not only that, for me the reason I got this pre-ordered is because of the material. The matte-type aluminum helps with my sweat, because I have a sweaty palm problem. Either way it's a premium stick, and I could understand why people wouldn't want to spend that much dough for this controller.
the snackbox micro is nice but the owner is a real POS
I hope Quanba or Razer decides to Invest on full button layout eventually as well... they are getting popular and now that victrix is on board idk if the Hitbox patent is real or not. but having this licensed in a big deal as we move forward into the next gen, specially for competition as Sony Runs some of the biggest ones and most will probably run on PS5
You're part of the problem!
Razer just announced the Kitsune which is all button
@@ADreamingTraveler Yeah! the cammy one looks great!! there is also the victrix, but i think there will be many more that start making these … Hori probably soon?
@@Quiqueleal85The Cammy one is so tacky. 🤢
Never did I expect PlayStation to drop an official hitbox... Good on them for taking that initiative! Seeing that pricetag of 399.99 had me hugging my custom hitbox though. And I think at that price point I'd rather buy a snackbox micro or a MPress if I'm being completely honest.
The only problem with things like the Snackbox, or MPress is that you also need the UP5 PCB to get it to work with the PlayStation 5. I'm assuming that you're using the Brook UFB in the Snack box, or MPress. The MPress might be more challenging since there's less room to add the UP5.
@@Ratel3000 both my Mpresses came with UP5
@@HeartbrokenHeartshooter what about the snack box micro? Is there enough space, where do they have to make some changes to install the up5?
I’ve been eyeballing the mores for a very long time but it’s always sold out so I’m never able to actually order one…
@@Ratel3000 if you haven't got the answer since your message : they are in a partnership with Brook, so they produce their "own" PCBs with the UFB+UP5 built in without the need to use these for their product. So they don't need much space because Brook just does the job for them on it :)
Not sure I’m a big fan of almost all buttons being 24mm, it feels like a lot of the “real estate” of the stick is just kinda wasted being so empty. But otherwise it’s pretty slick, Victrix quality as always.
Because of the original Pro FS chassis design it looks like most of the layout decisions were limited by the existing manufacturing process
@@NihongoGamer Not just that, but also the fact that you’d have to spread your fingers too wide if it was 30mm with the borders.
The one aspect that would make me try this over a Hitbox is the ample amount of space to rest the wrist. I didn't like how I was on the hard angle edge with Hitbox. Hopefully more companies make a larger design like this.
Had a custom Hori Edge with a hitbox conversion and im telling the extra space makes it soo much better for your wrist and finger positioning.
@@BandaiSCUM Did you get the panel from arcade shock back when they had them? Been looking for one of those for a minute now..
@@na5312 hey man, yes I did.
Mpress has more buttons, bigger menu buttons, and better location of menu buttons, for less money. It is nice to see a big company finally make a button box, however. I hope more do it.
They need to just make the bodies compatible with a stick, one of the button holes can easily be used for a stick especially if they want to keep cost up with the big body that isn’t needed for a lever less.
I like the wrist rest on my pearl hitbox. whenever I need to make a quick input my palms will naturally lift. when i do slides i will not rest my palms but in normal play the palms are sweaty... from resting on the panel
You're the reason I picked up a V. ProFS back in 2018.. Amazing stick 🔥 ( and GamerFinger buttons lol)
I have one of these too. My comments: Be aware!!: screw-in buttons DO NOT FIT in this controller. I tried to put Crown Samducksa screw-ins in this controller and they don't fit properly. The controller appears to only want snap-ins (there are little notches in the underside of the inside of the case for the tabs on snap-in buttons). Also, the company appears to have just used the extract same hinged door on the bottom as the stick version, leaving the totally useless plastic mold for an extra joystick, taking up MORE space in the already very limited space in the case. The company also ran wires right through the middle of the buttons, making changing them out way harder and nerve racking than it should be. Overall, great stick, def worth it. But, def some major room for improvements and a couple serious oversights (only fitting snap-ins, and the hinged door still having the extra joystick holder..... come on guys, y'all could have done better..... ).
also waiting on a LED kit.
Hey, is the usb c cable on yours extremly shaky too?
I’m not even that into fighting games but this high end hardware combined with the latest MK1 trailer has my attention. My order for the FS-12 has been placed. Thank you for the review. I look forward to getting whupped like a noob! Thank you for the detailed review and discussion!
Edit: the FS-12 arrived and it’s a really gorgeous piece of equipment. Personally I don’t mind the long “shelf” below the buttons but I’m also still figuring out my favorite posture. The one issue I might have is the buttons are a little to firm and springy, which I think is either slowing me down or indicative of the need for me to strengthen my fingers! But I do love playing with this piece of gear.
I don't really think mortal kombat is a good game for a leverless controller, the main reason being that there is a dedicated block button, im not saying you can't do it, but blocking in mk with a hitbox is really hard, but props to you if you can get used to it
@@vBrayden__ thanks for the heads up. I’ll bear that in mind. At least I’m enjoying the discovery of guilty gear strive. What a cool IP I never would have tried on a dual sense!
Aesthetically flawless looking I don’t think I could get used to using the hit box i’m old-school D pad
The sexy music when he rips the plastic 🤣
I hope Hori does one of these using the Alpha. This is definitely better options are good
with this i'm really hoping qanba tells arcade shock to help them bring back their hitbox obsidian again
When I saw that Qanba hitbox controller, that was a dream come true. I am so bummed I missed out on that. I couldn't agree more!
At the very least they should at give people the option to buy a conversion kit.
I have the pro fs Ryu edition, I love it. I ordered this bad boy today. can't wait to try it out.
I just got the universal sanwa etokki stick. Incredible. moddable and maintainable. Metal body. Awesome stick. So impressed. Well worth 270usd
I can't wait to get mine it's so gorgeous
I have the purple version. Installed gravity buttons rigjt away. and I got it days before tekken 8 came out and the purple paint is coming off where I lay my palms but it looks sick and I love it. No pain in fore arms once I broke my arms in
Bro you paid 300$ for a controler that can't keep its paint on?!?
My bad 400
My FS should arrive pretty soon. Mine is the normal FS, not the FS12
Whenever he laughs, my brain fills in the end with "RONALDINHO SAUCERRRR!!!"
Been using this for 2 months now. got this because of your review but I didnt buy it right away. did research and made sure this is the one I want. just made sense for me. now Im sad I cant use it on my xbox despite the brook or other stuff but thats ok most fighters that are on the xbox are on pc as well so no great loss. good stuff. def a big fan and love seeing the reviews.
I miss my wife
ride wife - life good
I miss her a lot, I’ll be back.
I also miss her
It's lonely out in space.
I do too. She was nice.
I’m getting the purple one!
I have tha new V Pro FS(purple)comin my way this month n I will say thanks 2 ur video n I can wait 2 receive it
Great.. We are back to 1 button super moves again, or 2 button. Motor skills are going out the window, chip implants goes hear.
0:58 wow look at that hitbox layout is a little bit down right ? Maybe NihongoGamer Rest his hands on desk or something ? Nice sticks/stickless bro
@12:00
Man knows what he's talking about. Same is true for computer keyboards and pianos.
Hello,
I hope this quesrion finds you in an old video
With this leverless, can the buttons and switches be changed? Like when they inevitably die or need replacement, how easy is it to replace?
What kinda of button or switches work?
Thank you!
It fits standard Sanwa snap in buttons. If you can find buttons that shape with key switches inside then you can use whatever switch you want.
@@NihongoGamer thank you one more question. I currently have both the kitsune and the fs12 here. I like the way the buttons are closer together on the fs12.
I am mostly concerned about longetivity. I find both comfortable.
If you had to pick one, what would you pick? They are completely diff in some ways like the size and spacing of buttons. But my main thing is durability, replacement of buttons etc.
Any recommendations if price is not an object Between these 2?
I find both great just hard to settle on one
Not using mx style switches in that price range is honestly pretty bad.
Dont know why i would reccomend this over something like a snackbox or even a frame1 if one wants the all aluminium body
PS5 compatibility is a big one. Only this & the MPress work with PS5 without additional modding.
Got mine yesterday. Absolutely love the damn thing. Feels great and weighty compared to the fightbox i was using lol.
You convinced me to buy one, thanks. I have the purple one arriving in 2 business days
Good honest review. Appreciate the shortcut tips as well!
Your videos are always awesome and relaxing😊.
Ok, there´s Pro and Cons as always, the major thing in Europe is, we can´t purchase it. Only shipping to USA and Canada, for an official licensed product, ridiculous.
I grabbed one at pax this year, feels great to use. Recommend if you get one that you also grab some stickers cause there is so much open white space
This video is so sweet when you have the fs-12 in your hands. Kill mode
And I love my controller leveling up through the blue ranks in tekken 8
Buyers remorse much?
the controller for pianist. piano exercises will come in handy for the muscle memory for moves, and remove the awkwardness when you change from 1p to 2p area/position
Ive always used my thumb on my left hand for the up button since that is how i would use a spacebar on a keyboard
The most easy way to DP inputs are 1. hold down button, press forward X2 punch 2. While hold the forward button, 1 down and punch
The easiest way is actually
1. hold forward
2. hit down with left hand
3. hit up+punch with right hand
This results in f, d/f, u/f+p which in SF5 counts as a DP
the easiest way is to hold forward then tap down+punch. simpler and you do less inputs
my first thought went "this looks like a TVR Tuscan Cerbera Speed 12"...now I wish it had the same colouring options aswell
Was that the TVR with the holographic purple/green?
@@NihongoGamer yep
Are they nuts with this price? Sanwa 24mm buttons cost like nothing. It looks nice but for that price I could build 2 or 3 hitboxes.
Hey, love your vids. Here's a question about accessibility when it comes to sticks in general.
A while ago I noticed that I'm far more consistent with my right hand when it comes to motions but I find the idea of playing with crossed arms pretty unappealing.
Since I'm not that deep in Arcade Stick manufacturers I wondered whether there's enough demand for people who would rather have the Stick and Buttons mirrored --- So stick on the right and buttons on the left --- or if you basically have to build your own in that case.
And who knows, maybe you find this question interesting enough to consider it for a video.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on it either way.
You can order southpaw layouts from some custom case makers.
Whats up with these hitboxes and their insane pricing?
I have a Victrix Pro Limited Edition M Bison and it's the best stick I've ever used it's super comfortable and weighted but for a Leverless stick the Victrix body might not be the best option I agree since leverless sticks don't use a 🕹 you don't really need a big box, I am thinking on buying a slim Hitbox. The Leverless Victrix is not the best bet for comfort. If you plan to buy a Fightstick I would %100 recommend the Victrix Pro but if you're thinking on getting a Leverless stick don't get the Victrix Pro.
I have a few questions, so I recently bought the Victrix pro FS 12 as well and this is my first leverless stick and have not used any sticks extensive. However I came from PC gaming so thought the transition would be better plus I feel the lever is imprecise for me.
I sort of got used to it now, however, I still need to get use to pinky and ring fingers movements, is there anything I can do for that. And my fingers cramp and so do my wrists a bit. Not sure if it's more a muscle memory thing similar to when I moved from console to PC and learned wasd, it hurt at first just for the motions but got used to it so it doesn't. Is that the same case? Or should I be hovering my hands the whole time over them like a piano? Is there a particular hand placement for hitbox controllers?
Would it be possible for you to do a follow up in hand placement with hitbox style controllers and the Victrix?
Sorry for the long comment
Is it possible to buy it in Japan? They don’t ship out of the US or Canada... maybe in EVO next year?
For the same price you can get a hitbox made by punk workshop (the people who made tokido's hitbox) still all metal, better button layout, mechanical switches not sanwa buttons, still can work on ps5, no ridiculous over sized case, magnetic assembly, way lighter / thinner / smaller in general, the switches are hot swappable, and it manages to have a L3 and R3 button.
not the same price，punk worshop is cheaper a lot （it’s about 250＄)
@@硼化二氘离子 Was about the same at the time of the comment. That said there are still tons of options out there especially now that are cheaper than this. The Victrix FS12 is just a "luxury" arcade controller in the end.
@@DKarkarov yep，if only punk workshops were easily available in europe，i will chose it too. Fs12 is too expensive. And he use sanwa button😤
I can’t wait for Victrix Pro to release their Street Fighter VI Fight stick!
There's a way around the warning for 3rd party controllers that are being used on the PS5. If you are using the Brook UFB inside your controller, add the UP5 PCB to it, update your firmware, and you shouldn't see that warning again. This is the only way around it for unlicensed controllers I'm aware of.
The same tactic of using the Brook UFB, adding the UP5 PCB and updating the Brook UFB now also works with the Blue Brook PS4 + Audio PCB. Feel free to use this as a cheaper alternative to UP5 + UFB.
I wonder how many other PCBs they plan to make compatible with the UP5? Perhaps they will come up with a new UFB?
This is a real beauty of a controller but...
Original was 350$ and now they are selling practically the same product, 50$ more!
And the features they added in the new line in all honesty should have been there from the the first version, Especially with that price tag.
So now, Pricier and still holds some really weird problems that the competition from last gen don't have.
I bought my M.Bison special edition FS with that same price when they got on Amazon , As much as im loving it, I still pull up some of my other controllers because messing with the Victrix can be really "lacking".
The price increase is the ps5 compatible pcb
The ps5 compatible victrix with a lever is 400 too
@@V2ULTRAKill my guy this is a 10 month old comment and you still failed to read it properly. Never once said the normal stick version costs different. I argued that the all hitbox version should cost less.
Now, Carry on.
@@zobinake it shouldnt cost less
Its a functional reskin of an existing product
There is absolutely zero reason to charge less when the total difference between a sanwa stick and 4 sanwa buttons is less than 10 dollars and it costs more in operations to cut 4 holes than one
@@V2ULTRAKill "total difference between a sanwa stick and 4 sanwa buttons is less then 10 dollars" Sheesh won't even bother 0_o
Look, i'm not starting an argument if a random on the internet on a comment from 10 months ago.
W/e you say, Chief.
Muting this now, Have a good one and happy Evo~
@NihongoGamer random question. Will you be purchasing Street Fighter 6 to test the Victrix Pro FS-12 on PS5 or PC?
Will definitely be purchasing sf6 yes
@@NihongoGamer perfect!
I just want them to use 30mm for the action buttons. Those 24mm buttons are too cramped. No one seems to be doing that. I have big hands.
30mm buttons are used on the MPress controller and many custom aftermarket plexis u can buy
Allfightsticks makes what you are looking for which is a shiokenstar layout. I use it on a custom hitbox and it's great.
Now do 'Geese's Rising Storm' from the right side of the arena in a combo using this few-button keyboard.
U just wanna see the world burn huh
Please still drop full video on gamer finger installment, just bought this stick and completely crushed at the Reddit talk over the modification flaws.
Depends if you're getting screw-ins or snap-ins from gamer fingers. Screw-ins are very difficult to install so I don't recommend you getting those. I installed a snap-in on mine, but it's not gamerfingers, I use Qanba Gravity KS and it's pretty much 1-1. The only difference is the octagonal design with gamerfingers.
Hello!
Appreciate your review on the Victrix Pro FS-12!
I am also looking to get the same exact one and do have Gamerfinger buttons waiting until my Victrix comes in.
I've heard a lot of clearance issues with screw in buttons for this hitbox unfortunately but seems like you are gonna make a video on the future with that.
I would like to see the follow up video from this seeing all screw in Gamerfinger buttons in if its possible.
Update: I purchased the Victrix Pro FS-12 and put all 12 Gamerfinger buttons in but it took quite some time to do so.
It's like a 3rd form Freeza Color scheme 👀
great review :D, how is it 5 months in?
Brilliant review, but question-- can the SOCD Scrubber be altered or is it stuck as is?
They really dropped the ball on the price. $400 is really unrealistic tbh I could buy 2 micros for that or another 2 Okiboards. It is a beautiful controller but for $400 I'll look in another direction if I ever need another arcade stick. Great vid like always Nihongo!
You’re mostly paying for the build quality (plus inflation).
@@Neoxon619 $400 for an all button controller is ridicules. hell $200 is insane
I want a 16 button version of this to come out.
what does hitbox have to do with the terms "arcade" and "stick"?!?!
That is pretty dope. 😮😮😮
Why dont just put 30mm as attack buttons, it is not like space is an issue.
@NihongoGamer doubt I'm gonna get a response on a video this old but I just got this stick from the video 【Victrix Pro FS-12】 and I noticed it only seem to have 2 socd cleaning modes and neither of them is last input wins, I was curious if you or anyone in your community would know if there was any way to change this so I can have last input wins (left+right=right or up+down=down) where it favors whatever the last input read was. Anyway love your content keep up the good work. Sorry to bother you with this.
I don’t think that’s an option. Depends on whether Victrix adds it in firmware and unless the CPT rules change it’s probably unlikely that they’d add it. If you really want to use the fs-12 though you can maybe mod in your own PCB but there’s not a lot of space inside for it.
Ah the cheatbox alternative
I hate the small button trend. For me, Mpress wins the all button wars with their full size button lay out.
Hello. Is it hard to replace the buttons in this thing? I can’t find any guides anywhere really. Some folks say it’s impossibly hard and others say it’s not bad.
Question can it move WASD to play Persona 5 or Yakuza Like a Dragon? Walk and pick up items?
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They way it looks makes me want to play the game Othello.
just making sure, but are hit boxes just as legal as fight sticks? If I get one can I get used to it without worrying about a place not accepting it?
I don’t know of any events that don’t accept button box controllers as long as they abide by the evo socd cleaning rules
I've been interested but now, definitely
Ive never seen any tournaments banning hitbox. So u can invest on em. Especially now they become more popular than ever, and one of EVO sponsor.
Now many companies have all buttons stick too, eve official sony, which is owner of EVO, no way they will ban all button controller as they just made this victrix all button.
At most only daigo gafrobox banned in 1 event back then coz they were not sure about the ruling, then allowed after that.
@@invertbrid Daigo's Gafro box had multiple directional inputs. Think crossup without a stick. It also didn't have SOCD cleaning so you could throw sonic booms without ever letting go of back
@@merkyofaycemfx2944 well true but evo didnt ban it weirdly. But yea hitbox / all button wise there are no problem and will keep being legal fpr years to come.
Please, do a comparison between these and Paradise Arcade MPres, in ps5.
Mine should be waiting for me when I get home today
Other people watch these reviews for information to make their purchase decision more accurate...
I watch these reviews to see if the padding is... ALL OVER THE BOTTOM :3
Just ordered it for SF6
Hello Nihongogamer. First of all, thank you very much for this fantastic review. I believe you are the only one who can solve the issue I'm experiencing. I want to connect Madcatz Tec2+ to the Nintendo Switch using Magic-NS. I managed to boot it up once a long time ago, but I forgot the button combination. Do you have any information on how to boot it up after making the connection? Thank you.
If this sold for $200 I'd definitely buy it but not for $400.
You literally cannot build a ps5 compatible leverless for 200 bucks or less, the pcbs alone will be 160+
Awesome video and review! Always look forward to get your opinions on the newest arcade sticks. I was wondering if you are still planning to do a modding video where you try to swap the buttons out of this controller? I've heard some mixed things about the modding experience since some screw-in buttons reportedly don't fit (something you eluded too in this video), so I would love to see your perspective on the modding situation with this stick. Big fan, thanks for all the amazing, fun content!
Yes! Been secretly hoping you would receive it and do a review. Kind request: Does it work with Steam Deck? Would love to see that addressed in one of your upcoming videos. Thank you 🙏
Planning on trying that for future vids :)
@@NihongoGamer Awesome, can't wait!
Your old victrix is a laser design ?
My vitrix comes in tomorrow but my buttons came in today that im going to swap out the black buttons with and bro the buttons (24mm and the 30mm) are so tiny I been watching all your vids and on camera they look so much bigger
All button inputs are more accurate than sticks? So Nintendo was actually on to something with the stock joycon and button dpad? Maybe if the buttons were closer together, like a hit box?
Joycon is a bit of step down from a dpad because u can’t really roll around and hit diagonals as easily. But if the buttons were bigger and you can assign a separate finger to each button then yes, that would be better
Wow you just made me realize that I won’t be able to use my Obsidian while on the SF6 beta. We’ll time for a new stick
Obsidian is officially licensed so u shouldn’t have any problems using it on PS5
@@NihongoGamer I tried to play the ps5 version of River city Girls, and I got the error message
Damn, that’s frustrating. I’ve heard that mileage may vary but for most of the fighting games I’ve tried fortunately I’ve been ok