Furtwängler Documentary

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  • Опубликовано: 29 окт 2024

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  • @JVBowcock
    @JVBowcock 10 месяцев назад +10

    This documentary is a work of art in and of itself.

  • @mozartsbumbumsrus7750
    @mozartsbumbumsrus7750 Месяц назад +1

    It's always a great pleasure to hear/see my friend and mentor, Yehudi Menuhin talk about music or anything. I was only 9 years old when Furtwaengler passed. I learned a lot from him anyway and also through my collaborations with Menuhin. Serious high art classical music is, in 2024, at a very low ebb.

  • @NeilFiertel
    @NeilFiertel 3 года назад +11

    A brilliant documentary that shows the complexity of this great obsessive musician

  • @gerasimosmakris8664
    @gerasimosmakris8664 6 лет назад +21

    This is a wonderful gift offered to all of us. Thank you. I especially cherished the opportunity to think and appreciate WF's playing Bach.

  • @heathermackayroberts
    @heathermackayroberts 7 лет назад +22

    An exceptional documentary. Fascinating interviews and more than glimpses of his conducting, Thank you for making it available.

  • @隆鳥羽
    @隆鳥羽 Год назад +4

    Those who listen the music by the tact of Maestro Furtwangler weep for their country Gemany, for the maestro's respect and love are so deep and passionate.

    • @隆鳥羽
      @隆鳥羽 Год назад +1

      Correction: listen the music→listen to the music

  • @antoniboleslawowicz8095
    @antoniboleslawowicz8095 4 месяца назад +1

    Prof. Keller is absolutely right when he says that tempo is a by-product of structure and phrasing. The first movement of Mozart No. 40 is marked Allegro molto, certainly open to wide interpretation. Furtwaengler’s interpretation makes sense, though one might disagree with his tempo, because all pertinent details can be heard. Nothing is blurred or distorted. Furtwaengler’s various performances of the Brahms symphonies all have in common a careful attention to phrasing and letting the music breathe.

  • @AllenbysEyes
    @AllenbysEyes 9 лет назад +7

    Thank you for uploading this, sheds some light on a man I previously knew little about.

  • @somersetuk525
    @somersetuk525 2 года назад +3

    A great gift to our musical world.......many thanks.

  • @phoenix4165
    @phoenix4165 8 лет назад +10

    Thank you so much for posting this. I have many of his recordings, all of them superb.

  • @Marinavalerevna
    @Marinavalerevna 5 месяцев назад +2

    Как бы хотелось русские субтитры! Великий Фуртвенглер!

  • @emersongene1
    @emersongene1 9 лет назад +30

    Dearest jkircher314,
    What a magnificent historical documentary. I never knew or heard of Wilhelm Furtwängler until late last night when I saw your video about his life. Your wonderful channel has connected me to some of the most amazing and important phenomenons in contemporary history of music. Your rich channel is informative, engaging and thought provoking. I've learned so much from your channel. Please accept my sincere gratitude for all of your great presentations here. They are truly unique in youtube and provide a great service to music and art. Please continue the wonderful work and never stop.
    I have to admit that I have not yet responded to your meaningful and lovely letter, because it requires time, energy and serious reflection that its a luxury for me. I apologize. Thanks to your hints, recently I have done some serious and in depth critical research about the life and the music of Stravinsky that I have not been able to write down my interpretations. All because of a lack of time.
    Warm greetings from Canada,
    Gene

    • @tonirose6776
      @tonirose6776 Год назад +1

      Another Canadian here, so appreciative for this document of musical history. Thank you so much!

  • @antoniboleslawowicz8095
    @antoniboleslawowicz8095 4 месяца назад +1

    How marvelous to see here the young Barenboim, just as compelling at the keyboard as he was on the podium! If there is a recording of him playing the Furtwaengler concerto in concert, it should be offered to the public. He obviously got into the music and made it a part of his stream of consciousness. Didn’t he have some instruction from Furtwaengler when he was a boy?

  • @nannojonkers3817
    @nannojonkers3817 8 лет назад +22

    I admit to have had a wrong idea about Furtwängler as a person. Had first, long time ago, to get rid of all those Nazi-myths around him. Now, having seen images from his earlier years and listened to the excellent commentaries in this documentary I am now a facionado. This teenager like Goethes Werther, this poet in spé, hyperintelligent, manifold artistic man. I start to feel great sympathy for him. i understand now what Furtwängler aimed at. And this in itself is enough to put his choice to stay in Germany during Hitler's reign (Hitler who diliked him as he did von Karajan) in a more positive light. Bearer in a utterly personal way of German culture in times of barbarism on fronts he didn't understand.

    • @pablopedace4865
      @pablopedace4865 8 лет назад +2

      +Nanno Jonkers 44:08 that musical is this?

    • @nannojonkers3817
      @nannojonkers3817 8 лет назад +3

      Pablo: fragment from Richard Strauss' Symphonic Poem 'Till Eulenspiegels Lustige Streiche' (1894). After some excisting story. Very much a virtuoso piece. / Where are you from ? Spain ?

    • @canalesworks1247
      @canalesworks1247 5 месяцев назад

      Hitler knew enough bout music to be dangerous and a nuisance. He exploited great musicians such as Furtwangler, Kna and Karajan, just as he exploited the music of Wagner, Beethoven and R Strauss. Furtwangler rescued Jewish musicians from the 3rd Reich. For that he needs to be treated with every bit the same reverence as Oskar Schindler, as well as of course to be considered THE greatest conductor from his era.
      As for the Furtwangler sound, it is magic. In terms of precesion in and of itself if one gives those Toscanini recordings everyone from the come scritto cult raves about one will hear plenty of blurred string playing, robbed beats, and lack of precision as well, along with the dry, unimaginative interpretations.
      Furtwangler took risks with the music because that's what conductors are actually supposed to do. Any group can read the black dots. A conductor is supposed to bring out something beyond those dots. Furtwangler did that better than anyone else in the history of conducting.

    • @canalesworks1247
      @canalesworks1247 5 месяцев назад

      @@pablopedace4865 I was about to say Til Eulenspiegel but someone beat me to it.

  • @kerrgal
    @kerrgal Год назад +4

    I'm a musician and have been playing and listening to music for over sixty years. I'm a huge fan of Beethoven. I'm shocked that I had not heard of Furtwängler until a few days ago; when he was mentioned by the fictional conductor "Tár," in the film of the same name. I find his story fascinating.

    • @edhanslick5630
      @edhanslick5630 Год назад +1

      I just can´t believe you are a musician, have been playing and listening music for over sixty years and moreover you haven´t heard of Furtwängler. I suppose you haven´t heard of Toscanini, Böhm or Karajan either.

    • @kerrgal
      @kerrgal Год назад +1

      @@edhanslick5630 It happens. I’ve heard of, and listen to all of those mentioned.

    • @edhanslick5630
      @edhanslick5630 Год назад +1

      @@kerrgal That´s OK, There are more of those you´ve probably never heard of and who are not so frequent in these days. Schuricht, Knappertsbusch... And they are really worth listening to.

  • @MrGer2295
    @MrGer2295 8 лет назад +7

    Wonderful! Thank you for posting!

  • @sebastianmelmoth685
    @sebastianmelmoth685 6 лет назад +21

    For an artist to find himself under a tyranny is a terrible thing.

    • @lyolevrich
      @lyolevrich 3 года назад

      mais c’est pire de faire carriére pendant que le collégues vont dans le lager

    • @vijinanadu1962
      @vijinanadu1962 2 года назад

      @@lyolevrich Hitler's favourite composer is Bruckner, so he is musical, not some ignorant tyrant.

    • @lyolevrich
      @lyolevrich 2 года назад

      @@vijinanadu1962 nothing to do with my comment:try to answer if you can

    • @mgconlan
      @mgconlan 2 года назад

      @@vijinanadu1962 Actually, though Hitler loudly proclaimed his love of Richard Wagner in public, according to Albert Speer (who spent a lot of time with him and sat through innumerable dinners at which Hitler talked, talked and talked some more), Hitler's favorite composer was Franz Lehár, best known for "The Merry Widow."

    • @vijinanadu1962
      @vijinanadu1962 2 года назад +1

      @@mgconlan Brahms favorite composer is actually Johann Strauss Jr.

  • @Lefnuid-k7z
    @Lefnuid-k7z 6 месяцев назад +2

    After reading some of his stories, I don’t think he was a weak man. He just wanted to protect the cultural and artistic nature inside of classical music in his own country. He suffered lots of stress from Nazi officials, but also tried to protect Jew musicians as possible as he could. I don’t understand some Jews (mainly in US) condemned his stay in Germany when ruled by Nazi. However, if he had not chosen to stay there, and kept his conductor’s life, the BPO would not have went so well after the end of WWII.

  • @annakimborahpa
    @annakimborahpa 8 лет назад +36

    Furtwangler: Not a Nazi, just a naïve genius that the Third Reich manipulated in a subtle and cautious manner for propaganda purposes, as they were fully cognizant of his publicly recognized artistic greatness which was rooted in his singularly-minded devotion to German culture.

    • @kennethdower7425
      @kennethdower7425 4 года назад +10

      Lol, he certainly wasn't naïve nor was he manipulated by the Third Reich, you nitwit; in fact, he was a constant thorn in their sides. You're probably thinking of Mengelberg, if you're thinking at all.

    • @vijinanadu1962
      @vijinanadu1962 2 года назад +4

      You understand Nazi wrongly: it is National Socialism, as socialism based on the idea of nation, not Soviet socialism based on the idea of class. Their social welfare system is the best at that time, which pressured the British to adopt the welfare state after the War. Have deep study of Hitler and Nazi, be fair, compare it with Stalin and Soviet Union at that time. Leave out the propoganda against Hitler and Nazi, take it as a natural product of WW1, the injustices done the the German people.

    • @catholiccrusader5328
      @catholiccrusader5328 2 года назад +1

      @@kennethdower7425 most correct response. 😁

    • @fvandruten4810
      @fvandruten4810 2 года назад

      @@kennethdower7425 why he was a thorn in their sides?

  • @oldoperafan_in_London
    @oldoperafan_in_London 10 лет назад +1

    Thank you, I cannot wait to watch this, as I am slightly influenced by the film with Harvey Keitel and whilst I do not expect this documentary to address these issues fully, I want to shake off that story.

  • @GAR9BALDI
    @GAR9BALDI 8 лет назад +19

    It seems his detractors wanted him to curb his talents just because he was German. No artist can ever do that. All strive for perfection and are their own most severe critic.

    • @DaveSCameron
      @DaveSCameron 4 года назад +1

      Shostakovich certainly "angled" his gifts towards Sowjet propaganda and Mother Russia, admittedly during a War but same with Furty...

    • @Esgovar
      @Esgovar Год назад +1

      Entendía perfectamente lo que los compositores deseaban expresar. Es un Director genial. De hecho como Director de Orquesta fué un genio. Muy pocos como él. Amo a este hombre.

  • @vittoriopastorelli134
    @vittoriopastorelli134 8 лет назад +4

    puo' piacere non piacere ..... quando lo ascolto , sto male , in estasi e questo , solo con lui !

  • @johnschlesinger2009
    @johnschlesinger2009 4 года назад +4

    Hans Keller: "which is of course what Beethoven wanted": how the heck does he know? From an emotional standpoint, I agree with him, but that is only an opinion! I very much enjoyed seeing this again after many years. Furtwangler was a figure apart: the only conductor who came close was Celibadache - in Bruckner, he even exceeded Furtwangler's achievements in my opinion.

    • @vijinanadu1962
      @vijinanadu1962 2 года назад +1

      In the past I think Furtwangler is the best conductor of the 20th century: his Beethoven, Brahms and Mozart, recently, thanks to RUclips, i found that his disciple: Celibidache stands higher than he does, just compare their 3 Bs and M, the touching stones, and you will understand what i mean. Zen is more subtle than anthroposophy of Rudolf Steiner.

    • @germanchris4440
      @germanchris4440 6 месяцев назад

      @@vijinanadu1962 Fool.

  • @SergeiSergioVinogradov
    @SergeiSergioVinogradov 9 лет назад +3

    Hay que ver eso para comprender la cultura y animo de alemanos .

  • @walterhudson4253
    @walterhudson4253 Год назад +1

    This is a tiny bit advanced for me a non composer or musician but only interested in music education, though not beyond my capacity to learn but advanced in the sciences of music. What are those tiny little tadpole things for?

  • @ManuelCerquera-bh7sb
    @ManuelCerquera-bh7sb 8 месяцев назад +1

    Era muy guapo de joven

  • @reco2186
    @reco2186 7 лет назад +1

    Thank you.

  • @cmclean6475
    @cmclean6475 8 месяцев назад

    Bavarian TV/BBC production, directed by Florian Furtwängler (ca. 1970)

  • @eugenemathlong2716
    @eugenemathlong2716 9 лет назад +3

    Please what are the second and third pieces of music from?

    • @pega17pl
      @pega17pl 9 лет назад +6

      +eugene mathlong
      - second piece (at 2:48) from final movement of Beethoven's 6th symphony (Pastorale)
      - third piece (at 6:06) "Air" by J.S. Bach from 3. Suite für Orchester (D-Dur; BWV 1068), 2. Satz

  • @gheorghefalcaru
    @gheorghefalcaru 9 лет назад +4

    superb

  • @bdc1117
    @bdc1117 7 лет назад +13

    that Brahms 4 finale though

  • @2Uahoj
    @2Uahoj 3 года назад +45

    All these anti-Nazi intellectuals who fled Germany and then - from their relative comfort & safety - criticize those who stayed behind, don't have a clue what they had to endure. The refugee conductor here who says that Furtwangler "was a weak man" doesn't know what he's talking about. Who is weaker, one who runs away and throws stones from a safe distance, or one who stays, walking a fine line of resistance, risking regular persecution?

    • @catholiccrusader5328
      @catholiccrusader5328 2 года назад +5

      Bravo! You said it all!

    • @mishoren
      @mishoren 2 года назад +3

      @2Uahoj You know nothing about history. Jewish musicians did not "run away" from Germany to "throw stones from a safe distance", they were forced out.

    • @2Uahoj
      @2Uahoj 2 года назад +3

      @@mishoren Never said "Jewish intellectuals."
      Try harder to read posts accurately before you comment.

    • @mishoren
      @mishoren 2 года назад +3

      @@2Uahoj Nitpicking, that's not the point. You are saying the "refugee conductor" who called Furtwangler (a great musician and) a weak man, ran away from Germany to "throw stones from a safe distance". That's absurd, the conductor was Furtwangler's assistant, knew him well and admired him more than you do. He did not "run away", he was forced out. Exile is not a "safe" place.

    • @2Uahoj
      @2Uahoj 2 года назад +2

      @@mishoren Nonsense, that's your narrative. People who stayed in Germany were under enormous pressure. It's really absurd to judge from our completely safe and comfortable life today.

  • @turidemarcodeeustachijs3926
    @turidemarcodeeustachijs3926 5 лет назад +5

    La Sacra Arte Germanica!

    • @brunegilda2453
      @brunegilda2453 Год назад

      Tú lo has dicho, die heil'ge deutsche Kunst.

  • @ragadolls
    @ragadolls 8 лет назад +3

    The rehearsal of Schubert 8 (52:49) is looking like going for some days at that rate!

    • @orstorzsok6708
      @orstorzsok6708 5 лет назад +1

      Thanks! That was that I was looking for :)

  • @paolograndinetti7609
    @paolograndinetti7609 3 года назад +2

    Almeno i sottotitoli

  • @johnpolhamus9041
    @johnpolhamus9041 Год назад

    With due respect, at 20:00, are we seriously to think that Ludwig did not know what a tremolo was, or how to indicate one?

  • @ban9nas177
    @ban9nas177 Год назад

    What does the narrator say in the beginning? “The conductor has one archenemy to fight: the _____” ??

  • @Fritz_Maisenbacher
    @Fritz_Maisenbacher 2 месяца назад

    5:39 this incredibly beautiful visage ......

  • @pascalkeller3845
    @pascalkeller3845 8 месяцев назад

    C'est chiant, pourquoi aucune traduction en français ????

  • @violinistoftaupo
    @violinistoftaupo 10 лет назад

    Very interesting. Does anyone know what the name of the work is that opens the documentary?

    • @jaketryu
      @jaketryu 10 лет назад +5

      4th movement of Brahms symphony No.4

    • @mostresticator5
      @mostresticator5 9 лет назад +4

      lone violist (brahms 4th) i recommend the 1943 recording with the berlin philharmonic

  • @rickartdefoix1298
    @rickartdefoix1298 3 года назад +6

    Yes, Goebels hated him. And Furtwrangler never became a member of the nazi party. He neither accepted to salute no one in the nazi Dr. Strangelove way. And for sure there's much worst than him. Just think about the despicable Karajan, who was a member of the Nazi Party and did not hesitate to work gladly for that criminal "regime". But Karajan was never as prominent as Furtwrangler, he never had the size of a Kleiber, a Celibidache or of course, the unforgettable Furtwrangler. He played in another league, inspite his many sellings. After all, wasn't K, the jet set favourite Conductor basically a marketing product?? - would say that Deutsche Gramophone chose Karajan to be launched on big sales because of being so difficult to sell the great Celibidache. For this one did not wanted to make studio recordings. But, Furt could have escaped, and worked for the free world. It was quite rare that he remained under the horror of the nazi criminal regime. It remains difficult to understand, and in this sense, I understand Toscanini (as Horowitz, Rubinstein, Szell, Mann, Stern and others who never pardoned Furt staying) hard critics on him. Toscanini deeply disliked Furtwrangler, for what I know, because of having stayed working under those criminals. It's stated that he went very depressed because what was going on, in the nazi Germany. Well, would say it was to go nuts, if you stayed there. It's also said that Furt was a quite naive person. I would then ask if naive enough as not to realise he was being used for those criminal's propaganda ⁉️ - how could he ever tolerated that and remain there? - The explanation that says that he loved so much his Berlin Philarmoniker Orchestra and his mother, is not a good enough one. Not for me. And to say his position as Conductor was there, and he could separate well enough music from politics, is neither a good explanation. So, it becomes really difficult to understand why and how, could he have kept working under the daily terror that was the nazi criminal "regime". It's quite a subjective Conductor, that is truth, but never mind, for Beethoven there's nothing better than his war Symphonies recordings. His Wagner Tristan und Isolde was an excellent one, and his Brahms is also remarkable. Furtwrangler was a weird character, anyway. Genius or not, this is out of doubt. As Celibidache and Kleiber, Furtwrangler was a rare bird. 🐦🤔🙄😔👍😇

    • @mgconlan
      @mgconlan 2 года назад +3

      Actually in 1936 Arturo Toscanini, a princioledn anti-fascist who had been assaulted by Mussolini, tried to get Furtwängler the job of succeeding him at the New York Philharmonic. But the members of the orchestra's board of directors, many of whom were Jewish, rejected him over his Nazi affiliations One wonders how differently we would see Furtwänbgler today if he had got that job and fled Germany. In his 1947 book "The Other Side of the Record," Charles O'Connell claims that one reason the Nazis were able to keep Furtwängler in Germany was by essentially holding his father., anthropologist Adolf Furtwängler, hostage and threatening the old man with bodily harm if his son did anything to displease them.

    • @rickartdefoix1298
      @rickartdefoix1298 2 года назад +2

      @@mgconlan But if Furtwrangler was somehow forced to stay with the nazis because they had his father and so he was under thread, if this was so, he would have said it... And he never told nothing about...why⁉️ instead, he gave other explanations. As basically, his love for his Orchestra and him indifferent to politics... Don't know, but he could and should have gone on time. I never understood him. 🙄😳😔🙏

    • @michaelday5479
      @michaelday5479 2 года назад +1

      Karajan was never a nazi, read the biography by Richard Osborne. It addresses that issue in great detail.

    • @kerrgal
      @kerrgal Год назад

      Are you able to listen to his performances?

  • @mrnarason
    @mrnarason 8 лет назад +1

    1:02:10 Mozart was always the exception :).

  • @ragadolls
    @ragadolls 8 лет назад +13

    Desperately trying to see past Hans Keller's supercilious manner, but his habit of making a series of very contestable statements as if they are indisputable fact is very frustrating. Of his time I guess.

    • @germanchris4440
      @germanchris4440 6 месяцев назад +1

      You mean when real personalities with clear statements were still a normality? -Unpleasantly, of course ... At least for many of today's so sensitive ears.
      But how nice that the times and the attitude of the people in them have improved considerably in this absolutely unspeakable 21st century in which we have now been allowed to end up.
      You people are just crazy now. - I'm sorry if this outdated way of saying things frustrates you too.
      Would an addition that is common today perhaps help? E.g. "But that's just my opinion." - After all, everyone is right in the post-postmodern age, right?

  • @richardcurry4912
    @richardcurry4912 2 года назад +2

    Well in 1942 he did in fact conduct the Berlin Philharmonic for Hitler's birthday. So that claim is incorrect. Whilst not a Nazi at all, Hitler nevertheless expressed admiration for Furtwangler. This kind of white-washing historical facts is quite pathetic.

  • @Constantine-fi9oy
    @Constantine-fi9oy 4 месяца назад

    By the way, no one Jew in orchestra, that's perfect

  • @overbrutalized
    @overbrutalized 8 лет назад +1

    What is the piece called that the video starts with?

  • @mistertx4141
    @mistertx4141 8 лет назад +6

    A little less of Hans Keller would gave been welcome.

  • @SensuiMuraki
    @SensuiMuraki 8 лет назад

    グレイを連想するんだけど。

  • @weiterimtext8134
    @weiterimtext8134 7 лет назад +1

    So viel Neid.

  • @Panthers1337
    @Panthers1337 Год назад

    Tee hee.......
    I wonder if she has indoor heating and plumbing....we might be soul mates with out knowing it yet

  • @allfrieden
    @allfrieden 6 месяцев назад

    shapeshifter

  • @Kumgll
    @Kumgll 9 лет назад +3

    " . . . a weak man." Who proved that even great art can be inhumane.

    • @yummyyum36719
      @yummyyum36719 5 лет назад +7

      He wasn't inhumane when he rescued Jewish musicians from the Nazis. More nonsense gets said about Furtwangler in respect to WWII than any musician I can think of...including Richard Wagner (and there is much nonsense about Wagner as well)

  • @60tremas
    @60tremas Год назад

    🐢

  • @medievalmusiclover
    @medievalmusiclover Год назад

    Yes,, indeed. He was a genius but still.Mazi. This fact made him satanic.

    • @germanchris4440
      @germanchris4440 6 месяцев назад

      And what are today's people? Times in general were never more satanic than right now in the day we have ended up in.

  • @dmitryburkov3759
    @dmitryburkov3759 Год назад

    dried insensitive fish

  • @georgejohnson1498
    @georgejohnson1498 7 лет назад +4

    Furtwangler is the only well known conductor whom I ignore as performer because [unlike Adolf Busch for one great example] he was quite happy to serve the Nazi cause by serving the NAZI PROMI and not letting his artistic prowess serve freedom rather than a terrible dictatorship. He could have left as late as 1942 when in Sweden. He was a vane and weak fellow in the moral sense, and musically he was not all that phenomenal either.

    • @sirtfdon
      @sirtfdon 6 лет назад +16

      You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. The "history" you produce in support of your provincial opinioneering has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

    • @GBADCD
      @GBADCD 6 лет назад +3

      And What's the problem if he served the Nazi cause? Yes, what's the problem? Worse is to serve today the cause of Merkel (the destruction of the German people) idiot.

    • @tarnopol
      @tarnopol 5 лет назад +2

      I think he was a fine conductor who pushed the regime somewhat but eventually came to terms with it in some fashion. An odd combination of subversion and it seems at least a tacit condoning of the regime.

    • @Fritz_Maisenbacher
      @Fritz_Maisenbacher 4 года назад

      @@GBADCD
      Thank you for your comment.

    • @debwagner7505
      @debwagner7505 4 года назад +2

      George Johnson You are a parochial idiot. So was Shostakovich morally bankrupt because Stalin ruled the Soviet Union during much of his life ? Should he have been a collective farmer instead of a composer, in protest ? And what of the American musicians during whose lives continual wars are waged on lying pretexts ? According to your perspective there would never be art at all, because no government would ever be noble enough to be its context.

  • @Kumgll
    @Kumgll 9 лет назад +3

    His own music proves the point. It has no soul at all.

    • @davidzhang3962
      @davidzhang3962 7 лет назад +18

      seems that you know nothing about classic music at all