New York Central Steam Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- I've always wanted to share my thoughts on NYC's steam fleet but could never figure out the best way to do so. Well, after AmtrakGuy365's tier list I decided it's time to share my thoughts! Plus I wanted an excuse to use Pizza Tower's soundtrack in a video, it's god tier. Enjoy!
Comment your favorite NYC steam engine below!
AmtrakGuy365's Video: • Amtrak Locomotive Tier...
The photo's used in this video are not mine, all rights go to their respective owners.
Music used:
Ghost of The Rails - James Coffey
The following tracks are from Pizza Tower (in order):
-Funiculi Funicula Remix
-A Secret in my Boot
-What's on the Kids Menu
-Don't Preheat Your Oven Because If You Do The Song Wont Play
-Oregano Mirage
-Unearthly Blues
-Spaghetti (Unused)
-hmmm look what u done did you found a secret
-A Secret In The Chicken
-Tropical Crust
-Pizza Engineer
-The Death That I Deservioli
-A Secret You Dont Want To Find
-Yeehaw DeliveryBoy
-Tubular Trash Zone
-Unexpectancy Phase 3
No Trainz content list here, I'll do my best to answer where stuff is.
Thanks For Watching!
To clarify, I put the Shay in F Tier as a joke. Realistically I’d put the Shay in either B or C Tier, it’s fine it’s just…so cursed looking lmao.
Shut.
the shay is not that cursed the 4-2-4s, 4-4-0s, and the one 0-4-4t inspection thingys were cursed
@@daveshockwave8098 you mean those coach hybrids?
@@PetersamStudios622 yeah those, they were odd
@@daveshockwave8098 , They are called Steam Motors or Railmotors
The fact you put what could be the paint scheme equivalent of a chocolate covered strawberry over *THE 20TH CENTURY LIMITED* takes some balls of steel my man. Take my sub.
Lmao thanks man!
My guy had the balls of steel to put the 20th century limited on A tier
2:23 Don't forget, 6721 took a runaway covered hopper to the smokebox, saving the passenger station from a direct impact, and even had its tender prop the building up, keeping it from collapsing!! Very chad steamer moment there.
In my opinion the 0-6-0s are going in S tier
When was this???
Personally for me and no offense, but the 4-6-6t is probably unique and borderline underrated. It's just essentially a downsized take on a Hudson as a tank engine and it's big boiler and cylinders is what it makes it. I heard that one of the engines does 20 coaches beating the Pacific's on a daily basis.
Nah I don’t hate them, they’re alright locomotives, I just don’t care for them.
Fun fact there is one remnant of the NYC Hudson and its the tender that survived to preservation, if a non profit organization build a brand new NYC Hudson from the rails up, there could be a potential it could be a streamline or non streamline, but one can dream that a new NYC Hudson will be build in the not to distant future.
One Can Dream.......
Very well made video! This is some of the greatest editing I've ever seen for an iceberg list, especially with the seamless transitions between Train Sim clips and with great background music. Despite being a fan of the Pennsy (albeit with their named misspelled in my username), I've always been a fan of all American railroads, especially those as famous as the Central, and I've also had a knack for some of their lesser known engines such as the moguls, P&LE mikados and B&A tank engines. Thanks for the info on some of the Central's greatest steam engines!
Thanks! I’m considering a PRR Tier list in the future as I’m also a big Pennsy fan, I just like the NYC more cause home road.
Fun fact. The 0-8-0 Switchers are a common sight in Lionel O Gauge Starter Sets
Yeah I know many people who have starter sets with 0-8-0’s
Hey I have one of those!
@@vicdoesgaming7570 Same. Which version do you have?
@@berkshire4607 an older one (2009/2010 era)
Lionel lines
little smoke and tender air whistle thing
Just a cute little engine that struggles to pull scale cars
@@vicdoesgaming7570 mine's is from the Pennsylvanian Flyer Set
J3a superhudsons with the centipede tender and the disc drivers are chefs kiss
Alfred E Pearlman: I WANT THAT STEAM ENGINE!!!!!
Sir Topham Hatt: Pearlman, shut up.
LET ME GET OUT MY CHAINSAW!!!
@@GMan9029 "whats a steam locomotive?"
OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BARRY I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU SAY THAT AGAIN!
Dr Richard beeching: I’m gonna pretend that insane Pearlman just gonna go and Ermmm, destroy the railway in Britain
This is typical foamer internet BS - Learn the actual history and events
In my opinion, I love the Niagara’s, but I think the reason they called them “ultimate” is because they went head to head with the new F design diesels. And the Traualtares were close, but the steam engines were just too expensive
0:04 I love how you used James Coffey's NYC song from I Love Toy Trains.
Yep lol, I love his music.
I didn't know I needed this until I saw it come up in my recommendations. It's 2an, but my trainbrain says I must watch this to the end.
The timing on the drop for TDID sent me, good stuff.
Solid list, I agree with much of it, especially the Mohawks and Niagaras. The Mohawks were amazing and I too love them (probably my favorite NYC steamer, especially the L-3a) and I'm so glad you didn't overrate the Niagaras. While the Niagaras were undoubtedly fantastic, I wouldn't call them the ultimate steam locomotive either, so I agree with you there.
Yeah I don’t get the whole ultimate steam locomotive title, they were great no question, but not THAT great.
finally another person who likes the empire state express Hudson's as much as me
14:02 I’d call the P&LE Berkshires Buffalos. Mainly due to the fact they look like Buffalos while looking at them head-on
I enjoy all forms of J3 Hudsons they are great
There’s actually one tender of a Hudson preserved in Scranton as the soul remaining piece of a Hudson
I also enjoy the 20th century limited but unfortunately it’s in A tier but hey…. If a Hudson gets S tier, the remaining fleet including the Dreyfuss Hudsons gets S tier since these Hudsons get their streamlining on and off all the time
Well, the NE-2 mallets (2-6-6-2) worked the coal fields of Ohio and served very well. I live along the former NYC Alliance Branch in Bergholz, and these beautiful mallets were referred to as "Minerva Mallets" since they were based out of Minerva, not far up the line from Bergholz. A mallet and an H-10 Mikado doubleheaded would handle 100 loaded coal hoppers on northbound trains. Anyway, my two cents, they're B tier on my list
Yeah I know about the NE-2’s, I just lumped them in with the others cause imo, they weren’t really noteworthy. Still good locomotives though and I’ve seen pics of them.
My Dad grew up in Cadiz. He told me stories about the NYC Malleys. Also told me about the W&LE/NKP Malleys also and how you could see them both at Dillonvalle if you played your cards right
Beautiful shots! I love it!
P&LE Berk best Berk. Personally, I'd move the 4-6-6Ts to A tier, but I'm also biased as heck towards them (thanks K-Line).
O gauge simp ;]
nah, the 765, 1225, and 2716 are the best berks
The Commodore Vanderbilt kinda reminds me of Snowpiercer from the tv series
I know this might sound weird, but if I ever did a Locomotive Tier List, it would be in the form of Top Gear's "Cool Wall" to give it more flair
You and I have different opinions on the 20th(E for me) and the Mercury(S for me), I will honestly say that when I think NYC, I don't think of the Hudson classes actually! I think of the Niagara every time
Though I will 100% agree on the ESE Hudson
For the smaller locomotives, I would have liked to have seen them broken up by individual class, such as individually ranking the F-12 and F-82 for example. There was definitely enough variation in those wheel arrangements to make interesting comparisons.
Yeah I originally wanted to do that but I didn’t want to over crowd the list with tons of engine variations. I made the exception for the pacifics cause those I have varying thoughts on, unlike the F class which I feel about the same for all of them.
That Shay Joke was absolutely hilarious in my opinion, Outstanding work man, Your Channel is so underrated in my opinion, Keep up the Good work, My man!
Very nice video, and I also like the pacifcs, most notably the one that pulled the cardinal train.
Edit: I also love the Shays the new york central had, someone might kitbash a lionel 2 truck shay into that someday, you never know
I’m not sure if you know about this but the Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society recently acquired several historic passenger cars that were originally used on the Empire State Express
Believe me, I'm very well aware
I also find it quite ironic that the FWRHS got New York Central rolling stock, when the New York Central was a rival to the NYC&St. L (Nickel Plate)
funny how you noticed the booster truck on the IHB 0-8-0 first and not the 3rd cylinder and Gresley conjugated valve gear, those things were absolute beasts
The more you know lmao.
lmao yea
Just something I want to mention coming back here: although yes, those specific streamlined Hudsons pulled the _train_ known as the 20th Century Limited, technically the locomotives themselves are known as Dreyfuss Hudsons, named after the man who designed their streamlined shroud, Henry Dreyfuss.
And of course, right after, _you say their name._ Nevermind, then!
I'm very glad you gave both the F-12 Class Ten-Wheelers and the K-11 Pacifics the attention they deserve, mainly bcuz I've spent my whole life in Brewster, where the Putnam Division once terminated. I even have a book devoted entirely to NYC steam on both the Putnam AND the Harlem that includes both these classes, among others like the B&A Hudsons that were transferred to the Harlem after WWII.
It might just be wishful thinking on my part, but I do also think at least one of the K-11's could've been saved; specifically, #4549, which is known to have pulled the last regularly-scheduled steam-powered train on the Harlem in late 1952 before being scrapped. Occasionally, you might also have seen them on freight trains like the 'Rutland Milk' just as they originally did before the first Mohawks arrived on NYC, often while running at 60 MPH on the double-track line from North White Plains.
I love the ten wheelers too! Been reading up about the old put at my local library
Well done video and living on the the former Michigan central line. Also yes the Hudson’s are s tier because there based so great video
Cool tier list!
i absolutely love atlantic type locomotives
Atlantics are alright but I just don't care about the NYC ones.
@@GMan9029 Ah. That shay tho looks so cool imp, im trying to find more info about them
Yeah,It’s hard not to love the Mohawks.
Probably one of my top 3 Favorite steamers.
Plus,There’s the nostalgia from that one Old RUclips series.
Honestly, I can agree that the 0-8-0s are really nice
Rivarossi made me like them❤
The absolute SIZE of the articulates' cylinders: 18:44
They were T H I C C
Here's funny fact: somebody call the nyc a2s as NYC buffalos because they said they look a lot like buffalos just sayin btw
Can you do this with these other railroads:
-Southern Pacific
-Union Pacific
-Santa Fe
-Norfolk and Western
-Nickel Plate Road
-Pennsylvania Railroad
-Western Maryland
N&W and PRR are planned, I may also do SP.
The Indiana and Harbor belt 0-8-0's just remind me of Rivarossi. And that's a great thing, love em
I am the 1000th sub
Overall, I agree about 50/50, but very nice video!!
Thanks! What would you change?
The Indiana Harbor Belt 0-8-0s were CHONKY, rumored to be more powerful than even the road's fleet of Mikados, they definitely earned their nickname of "Super Switchers".
I was pretty much just here waiting to see what he said about the Niagara's. If you can't put the Diesel's most formidable opponent in S Tier, you have a screw loose. It was the best that steam could offer and while it fell short, no Hudson or Mohawk could have put as much into that trial like the Niagaras did.
@@RaisedLetter I agree the Niagara’s are impressive machines, but the truth is the diesels were cheaper to operate.
And tbh I didn’t take into account performance for this tier list, it was more so just how much I liked an engine, which I like the Hudson’s and Mohawks more than the Niagara’s.
The Shay joke was perfect, however I am curious as to what locos you’re using in Trainz and where you got them. I recognize a few as the work of K&L Trainz, but some are different and I’m curious as to where to got them. I know I’m essentially asking for a lot with this, but these videos are where I go to find new locos to search the download station for. Anywho, great video man, solid ratings!
Few people know worldwide steam but to see a world wide randition of this would be EPIC!!!! Its hard to do steam since some engines are so specielized its almost to a degree were you may have to break a list down by task, but....
14:00 I REALLY like the design of this locomotive. I think it looks cool.
That was a really great video. Do you think you can do on for Santa Fe steam locomotives. That would be fantastic!
Possibly, I’m not a Santa Fe fan but I may do more Tier Lists in the future.
Can't wait!
Not enough love for the 999 here! It was the apex of late 19th century polished elegance and beautiful like a greyhound. If they ever build any new Hudsons, they should build a new 999 as a companion engine--complete with its spidery 86" drivers. (There's really not enough of the original left in the carcass of the 999 on display in Chicago to be worth restoring.) As for the Niagras, I get that they were fine machines, but the smokeboxes are faceless and utilitarian-looking. No personality!
Honestly, I love the 20th Century Limited so I was surprised that you ranked it A Tier. However, I can’t complain about the Empire State Express being ranked S Tier.
Trust me I love the 20th Century Limited, I just prefer the ESE cause of how much nicer it looks imo.
@@GMan9029That’s fair.
Also, where did you find that Leviticus clip?
You should do a B&O steam locomotive tier list
This might just be me but the streamlining on the mercury looks like something out of the 2005 robots movie…
999 is how tall it is in half inches, it's always at a slight list left or right depending on photo
good list, all i think i'd really disagree with is the atlantics being so low (i personally really like how modernized atlantics look)
I like the Mohawks and Niagaras the most.
I respect your opinion I like all of the NYC Locomotives 🚂 but my most favourite HAS TO BE THE STAINLESS STEEL EMPIRE STATE EXPRESS that and the NYC Mercury and The Mohawks and the Especially the Rexall Train Are S for me
The rexall train is a stream lined Mohawk so I thought it would be higher
Wow. Mr bigballs. Very impressive
Big Dick Energy moment
hot an honest second if you had put the vanderbelt low i would lost it as it is one of my favorites XD
The depot at 4:20 is on the very busy Chicago line for Norfolk southern in Cleveland
In general I think it’s a really good video too, and for the most part, I can agree with your rankings
Those are private Kitbashes aren’t they?
Yes
@@GMan9029 I personally want to learn how to kitbash but no one has showed me how to yet, it looks like the most difficult goddamn thing.
I think one of those new york central 2-8-0s is preserved, but supposedly as santa fe 2522. Originally it was New York Central 2976, a 2-8-0
You want to blame someone for them not being preserved blame Perlman for his boneheaded
i understand why you like the empire hudson, but for me i would swap the empire with the gray hudson
Hey that's totally fine! You do you.
@@GMan9029 I see why you picked the empire Hudson though but for me the simpler gray Hudson for me though
Surprising nothing even went into E.
I'm thinking of making a tier list on my favorite union Pacific steam engines.
Go for it!
You know what, maybe you can make one.
Good Job.
The nyc Shays are interesting, kind of wish there was more info on them.
I love the 0-6-0 Switchers
Not mentioning the largest group on the Central- the class U 0-8-0s - seems uh... like a choice.
Question? why Not Put #999 In at least A Rank It was the first to break 100 Mph Record 112 Mph To Be Exact just Wondering ?
I’m not a huge fan of Atlantic’s plus the claim it reached 100 mph is dubious.
The 999 being the first to hit 100 mph isn't official, same can be said about the City Of Truro. Officially, the Flying Scotsman was the first to hit 100 mph.
Nice tier
2:12 2:56 3:37 3:17 4:11 4:52 5:49 6:14 7:12 8:20 9:18 10:22 11:10 11:28 11:46 12:09 13:03 14:01 15:25 16:37 17:12 18:33 18:50 18:57 19:04
It’s quite surprising that NYC managed to get 5 of their steam engines into preservation despite having an anti-steam policy, but Lehigh Valley, Delaware & Hudson, Erie, and New Haven didn’t have an anti-steam policy yet none of their steam engines survived
This is 100% BS ^
You are 100% BS
The only engine that outdid the Niagaras was the N&W J class 4-8-4s
The J’s are great.
@@GMan9029I agree. Those J class northerns are goated
Different locomotives engineered for different roads and terrain. However existing performance data is self explanatory and the S-1 and 5500 poppet valve locomotives out distanced all others even given their relatively short service. Learn the facts and stop the foam.
You forgot MEC 319
(This post made by Smoke Belcher gang)
The Mercury looks fine it fits the era the front just feels too Geometric and kinda looks shambled together in some weird way I do like how it flows with the rest of the cars it makes it feel like one entity the empire state streamliner Looks a little weird The paint scheme would work if the cars were painted as well I have imagined a version of it.That looks more similar to the dreyfuss As in it has the Spartan helmet.Looking thing on the front, but it's more aero shaped like a semicircle or the leading edge of a wing also that weird grill infront of the stack needs to be angled it looks weird
The old steam engines are my favorite so i got to put #999 at S teir
15:07 where is that whistle from? It sounds amazing!❤
It's from K&L's Erie/Susquehanna russian decs. It's an actual NYC 5 chime from what I've seen.
YOU FORGOT THE 2-4-4 FORNEY!!!
But it's not even grey it's polished steel with blue accents which makes it look appealing. They probably trying to go for a chrome look (the iconic retro style) but a chrome train would look hideous. It's the closest they could get to absolute luxury in a paint scheme without being gold, which again *hideous,* and that's why people like the way it looks. Not everything needs vibrant colours to look good, still got my sub tho.
Don’t get me wrong, I still love the 20th century limited a lot, it’s definitely up there as one of my favorite streamliners of all time. It’s just for me, I like the ESE more cause of its black and white look, it just looks more appealing to me imo.
Nice video and I agree with almost everything except I would swap the 20th Century LTD and the Rexall train. Blue does not go on a steam locomotive and the gray is nice
So basically the Rexall would be higher than the 20th, which contradicts your statement lol.
Bro you got some balls of steel for the 20th century lol I know everyone’s saying that
I was jamming to the ILTT song
Just want to point something out: 20th Century and Empire State Express were the names of the trains they pulled, not the locomotives themselves, as both were J3. 🤷♂️
@@ryandunham1047 I am well aware of that, I just ranked them separately cause I felt different about them compared to the regular Hudson’s
@@GMan9029 Ok, fair enough.
Cool video thank you
I didn't know you made train vidios gman
if your going by looks i understand But if your going by Facts, your off exsample 4-6-4T Boston and Albany is strong as a hudson able to pull 14 Passenger cars
I wasn’t really going off stats, more so looks and some history.
The nyc k5 and k11 are the good ones and all the nyc Berkshire 9401 9403 and b&a Berkshire and it was sad that the nyc Berkshires did not last long so they got a second chance to prove there worth is 1948 they might have last for 2 years now in 1957 they were all scraped so they last 8 to 9 years
7:11 I like the streamlined ones way better
also can you do other railways like norfolk and western, union pacific, Pennsylvania etc?
Not to be rude but all the steam engines here or owned by the NYCS were still really useful but someone scrapped them all :(
Yeah no doubt they all were useful in some way (minus the HS-1a) but I like more than others.
@@GMan9029 me too
I hate to hassle you but you got any recommendations for sites that have Trainz content? Namely rolling stock like the ones used in the video but locomotives and routes would be dope too. I've tried to find sites outside of JR and Trainz Forge by I've so far just struggled
Honestly your best bet is Trainz Forge for older rolling stock, although if you dig around the DLS you can find some things.
Search up Lilb and he’ll have tons of steam era stuff on the DLS.
Also search up 38 and 40ft tankers, there’s good steam era tanks on the DLS.
@@GMan9029 I appreciate it. Would you also happen to know where to find hoppers like the one at 15:12?
7:13 and 7:57 agreed!
I say all nyc steam engines are s tear my opinion
I LOve Hudson's/
would you do NYC #5406.
I'm honestly happy the Niagara got scrapped it teaches us what happens if we don't protect our heritage now I'm not happy they got scrapped but it teaches us a lesson.
I agree about the mercury
The picture at 4:20 in the video is at posted falls Ohio and is close to Cleveland my home city and the depot in the background still stands and is a model railroad club witch I am a part of.
I own a marx nyc 999 but I dropped it when i was made my long ho train😅😢