Meet the Crimeans Who Voted to Join Russia: Russian Roulette in Ukraine
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- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2014
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Some people might say that two weeks isn't enough time to prepare for referendum to separating from the country that you've been a part of for the last 70 years. But that's not what a reported 95.5 percent of Crimeans think, according to the official vote count. VICE News correspondent Simon Ostrovsky visits the polling stations in Simferopol, including predominantly Tartar areas where the pro-Russian fervor is seemingly absent.
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_There is a saying in Russia. War is war but there's always time for lunch._
Good saying.
*****
in America, civilians are fat fucks while soldiers go hungry. In russia, it's the other way around ;)
brohan914 Hmm fuunny you say that, Because i just got done working on a Marine base and all those kids were driving around in Evo's and other nice cars and all looked rather comfortable to me.
oFiGuReZo
you obviously have never been subjected to an MRE
brohan914 Yeah i have. I lived off them for over a week after hurricane Katrina and Ike. They aren't awesome but they keep you alive not starving.
rideordie
too true...lol
I watched this episode 8 years ago. Yet here I am again in 2022.
and the west still says Crimea was annexed against there will & no democratic vote , savage isn't it
@@eyesopen7946 indeed brother. Corporate-control msm. 😏
What is this guys name? I like his style. Doesn't take sides, talks to both sides, well, tries haha.
Im pretty sure his first name is simon, but i dont know his last name
@@eesasiddiqui Simon Ostrovsky
works for PBS, these days
This reporter is excellent vice. He's got guts and he's professional, cheers for keeping us informed.
he's anti-russian and very pro NATO ,,
and yet, he's made all of this Putin Propaganda ,,
it's amazing !
or wait ? is he reporting the truth and Putin is not lying ? WTF ?
Great coverage, Simon. Definitely look forward to what's to come. Stay safe, guys
I wonder if Simon was wearing his skeptic's shoes during the separation of Kosovo. Somehow I doubt it.
The situations were very different.
He's doing his job, it's to ask questions, remember?🙄
@@capncake8837 arrow does not turn...
we know.
@@capncake8837 You're right it was. Crimeans wanted to leave Ukraine because the Maidan regime started implementing policies restricting use of their language and they were scared of violent organizations like Right Sector that called for the killing of Russians. Meanwhile the KLA wanted to leave Serbia because they're an extremist terrorist organization that hates Serbs and likes human trafficking.
No there werent. Tell that to the 30,000 dead Palestinians.
The man said they didn't see any Russian soldiers on the streets when clearly there was. What he really meant was he couldn't identify any Russian soldiers due to the fact that they had no insignias to prove they were Russian. Also it would explain why the unmarked Russian soldiers left when the observers showed up to Crimea. I feel it's part of something larger.
Вы действительно такой глупый человек???? Российские войска всегда были в Крыму. По международному договору в Севастополе. В связи с переворотом и нестабильной обстановкой они были усилены. А те военные на улицах - это бывший "Беркут",который остался без работы,вот и вся тайна)))) А то что одели их,дали оружие и кормят,действительно Российская армия, но это правильно,т.к. так спокойнее,чем ждать беспорядков.
You're welcome to your own opinion.
@@zufar2 AFAIK, the Berkut soldiers wear blue, like the one inside the hall (conveniently so, otherwise they'd see them). The ones present at the elections and in the city around the vehicles were clearly wearing green and were unmarked besides the white stripe. They were Russians. Stop playing dumb.
@@H4nek перестаньте делать дурака! Российские войска всегда были В Крыму по соглашению с Украиной. Если местная власть не может обеспечить безопасность, тогда порядок навели Вежливые люди. Но основную работу выполняли люди в гражданской одежде, бывший Беркут.
@@zufar2 source?
Someone who CURRENTLY works at Vice should probably consider re-watching this series so they can maybe go back to doing this instead of trying to convince me to care about Action Bronson for the past 5 years.
The weirdest part about it is that the changes they made seem to be a pretty obvious cash. I imagine the thinking is something along the lines of "let's be Buzzfeed but _edgy_ " however it seems that their old content was significantly more successful. Today I regularly see Vice post things on Facebook that literally get 20 likes in 24 hours, it's crazy. Why make worse content just for it to be unsuccessful?
holy shit, Simon Ostrovsky is one fucking good journalist. Thank you for these dispatches Simon
He has trouble staying objective.
@@jizzinmypants191919
Nope... he is a antirussian propagandist
Someone who really knows the answer please tell me why this referendum was considered illegal and the referendum in Kosovo legal?
It's call the US imperialism. Who is independent and who is not is decided from the white house.
Legally its because of the Ukraineans constitution not allowing it and the criteria in international law for that being over ridden not being met.
Moraly/logical because sending a bunch of men with guns into an area to chase off anyone who dosnt agree with you then holding a vote isn't how referendums work.
@@owenthomas5103 the maidan was an ilegal coup backed and supported by the US led west. Actually that's was the start of the crisis in Ukraine.
@@owenthomas5103 No one was really forced to vote or prevented from voting. Kosovo separated from Serbia against their constitution either, but almost everyone approved that for some reason.
@@owenthomas5103по Конституции 1991 год Крым был автономным округом в составе Украины со своим парламентом, но Киев в одностороннем порядке изменил это положение а 1992 году
I miss THIS Vice News. Used to be the best and realest news outlet on the planet.
This is real journalism. I wish we had more of that.
this has been the best series on vice in a while
Some great reporting! And thanks to Peter (?) and his crew for going there. Cheers!
Great time to re watch this. simon made an excellent job with this series.
The comment section to most of these videos has given me cancer.
SSH-40 R.I.P , a mysterious keyboard warrior who battled comment cancer for 5 years.
1990 - 2019
Grow up and get some manners.
Brilliantly made capstone piece to this whole referendum process. The shades and complexities of individual people on the ground is a good reminder that people everywhere just want the best for their families, even if they can't agree on what that is.
Can't wait for the next piece, Simon!
Too Bad Simon is a brainwashed libtard
Sorry but VICE lied here, Crimea was part of Ukraine state for about 23 years only, before that it was part of Ukraine region of USSR for ~37 years.
Appreciate the networks representation of Ukraine and Russia in this tense conflict, issue.
При возможности показать , что людей гнали голосовать под дулами автоматов, ты этого не показал. Почему? Наверное потому что этого небыло.
С шиной он меня в голос рассмешил.. А если на ней было написано "сделано в Китае"? значит это ВНЕЗАПНО китайские войска?
То есть ты сейчас хочешь сказать, что не из России шина? Ты на это намекаешь?
AydarBMSTU Я прямо говорю. Причем тут шина? Что необычного в том, что силы самообороны Крыма купили себе Тигр с российскими шинами?
***** Тигры и АК сотой серии не продаются заграницу.
Pavel Sikun Как видишь таки продаются. Очень хорошим людям на очень хорошее дело отчего-ж не продать?
Pavel Sikun АК сотой серии как раз предназначены ИСКЛЮЧИТЕЛЬНО на экспорт, за исключением АК-105, небольшими партиями поставляемый МВД и ФССП. Откуда вообще эта утка пошла про сотую серию?
У "Тигров" существуют экспортные модификации, и они очень даже активно продаются за рубеж.
I love the dispatch videos. Simon is a wonderful journalist, and I would buy a beer for him.
@Fritz Donnerschlag get out of here JW
How about a bail of hey for 🐑
The gall to say illegal when the people themselves say otherwise really speaks volumes that you don't respect the will of the people which is DEMOCRACY really is.
Wait, did you just say that strong arming an election to get your way because you disagree with the others politics is a democracy? You realize that only Russian sympathizers got voting cards right?
I’m pretty sure it was illegal, though. There is also evidence to suggest that the 95.5% approval rating is fabricated.
@@capncake8837 lol for you its illegal but people themselves are saying it's their will, NOT YOURS or Western nations will.
russification of ukraine been going on for 3 centuries
yes yes, the hypocricy of the west of supporting democracy/nationalism and independence when it suits them but not when it doesn't.
However, this vote isn't really representative or democratic when only yes sayers are allowed to vote. Its as much of a vote as russian elections. totally rigged.
Excellent boots-on-the-ground journalism by Simon Ostrovsky
Is that Austrian Observer for real? LOL
Dan F Solh Also the burning of books in Ukrainian language, cult of Putin, the will to commit violence against people who are not afraid to be Ukrainian, showing strictly Putin favoured media, shutting down websites in their own territory in case of "provocation". They want to attack Eastern-Ukraine as well, because most of Crimea's clean water and electricity comes from Ukraine's mainland, some Russian soldiers were already captured in Ukrainian mainland who admitted that they are soldiers of Russian Federation. Putin wants a "Soviet Re-Union", even though his own words were that even thinking of that being possible would be stupid. Russia is the biggest country in the World, why aren't they developing their own country instead of invading others? The main argument for pro-invasion people is that: "the other guy did it too", we have a saying in Estonia that if a person puts his head in the oven, should you too? To make it clear - I am against all invasions, oppressions, wars.
@@onemanarmyEST тебе бы к доктору,мозги проверить)...
"War is war but there's always time for lunch." hahahahh
AMAZING work, vice! Be safe!
Раньше думал что голоса поттасованы и выборы не легетимны, но в этой серии видео видно, что очень много народа поддерживают присоединение к России
Подтасовка была 1 декабря 1991 года
I had friends in Crimea who had little green men come to their doors and tell them that they were building a voters' list. Then they would ask my friends to show the little green men (LGM) their documents/identification that would allow them to vote. With that I.D. in the hands of the LGM, the LGM would ask them which way they intended to vote. When my friends said that they would vote to stay in Ukraine, the LGM refused to return their I.D.s.
Because the LGM were armed, there was nothing that my friends could do to get their I.D.s back and so they were unable to vote.
My family had similar experiences...the whole thing was a sham Hopefully it will soon be undone ..by force unfortunately
Thanks for this very revealing comment.
@Deadhill Cemetery Why would anyone want to vote for Russia?
How interesting. How come they didnt take it to RUclips and European news? All BS. Theres documentaries but obviously this is not good enough to your narrative. If the population is mostly Russian it's only natural that they want to be part of Russia. They have lived on those territories under Russian Empire for centuries! Ukraine stole Crimea illegally, it was never under Ukraine, study history and everything will be clear
@Deadhill Cemetery you have to be a bit mental to think that. Almost as if the joke that Pooty is was actually funny..
Human lives are being wrecked, Russian as well Ukrainians. Even more worse the Country you are so excited about has murdered alot of Civilians.
Does any of that sound like liberation???
Russia is 43rd on Global Education Index. 49th on Human Development index. It's 5th in crime rates and has one of the highest murder rates (10.2) among developed countries. Russia is 105th on Quality of Life index. It's 73rd on Environmental Performance Index. Russia is 49th on Innovation Index. Russia isnt even on the list for the Renewable Energy Index (makes sense considering most of its money comes from gas and oil exports). It's 122nd on the Industrial Production Growth. It's 33/50 on the Social Progress Index. It's 160th on Corruption (first being least corrupt).
Those are just a few interesting numbers showing just how "better" it will be in Russia for its new citizens.
And Ukraine is worse. It is the most corrupt country in Europe (Russia included), it has the worst performing economy of developed countries and average Russian has three times higher salary than Ukranian.
D3adtrap
That was not the point. I was merely trying to provide the contrast to what other side is hoping for. Most semi-educated people can tell Ukraine is much worse in most socioeconomic sectors than Russia. But I was not trying to compare Ukraine to Russia. I was trying to compare Ukraine's potential of going toward Russia, versus them going toward EU. Ukraine itself is a very broken country. Revolution was for the people, but the ones benefiting are the power-hungry and corrupt. But if they manage to fix it and eventually become a part of EU, they will be the true victors, not the Crimeans living as part of Russia.
u missed the sanction
Rodiculous maybe you not pro russia but you are clearly an ignorant if you think everything is corrupted by the leftist, the US along with EU, Japan, S. Korea have the best life for people to live and if they opened borders you would see millions coming from all er the world to live there whether from Middle east, Africa, Ukraine and in any state that is in poor shape.
TheCoper COper Believe it.....
love the distortion on the audio during the rally at the end ..
It's always a sure sign you are doing the right thing when you have to remove all the insignia and rank from your soldiers, before sending them into a foreign country.
10:29 first guy on the left is Polish, and he spent couple years in Polish prison without sentence just for criticizing US army moving into the Poland. Democracy for ya folks.
Source?
Ah yeah 😍
And he’s still alive🙄…I would vote for the russian democracy, poisoned/thrown out of a window or beaten and tortured to death in a prison…
source or your bullshitting?
Simon is great at these! Keep it up
Ukraine said voters were forced to vote at gunpoint....but that is not true here
Many likely to vote the "wrong" way were forced out before the vote, and do you really think that group of Russian bikers outside were there to ensure a fair and balanced debate and vote?
@@owenthomas5103хоть одно имя назови, кого ВЫГНАЛИ, ХОТЬ ОДНО ДОКАЗАТЕЛЬСТВО! ни одного человека насильно не выгнали. Вежливые люди были в Крыму для того чтобы ни у кого не возникло желание навредить народу. Ни каких пригласительных не было, все кто хотел - все проголосовали. Человек с камерой спокойной заходит на избирательный участок- разве это не открытые выборы?
The vote was for (Russia) or (Russia later).
russia takes a piece of georgia, takes a piece of ukraine whose next,.. Chechnya wants a referendum too..
***** not to be an independent state :P
***** Lol do you know how much worse the living conditions in Chechnya would be if they were to become an independent state?
***** I wouldn't trust any voting controlled by Putin. In some areas of Chechnya, Putin got 107% of the vote, which means there were more votes for Putin than there were voters.
Chechnya does not want a referendum becouse they had one years ago, but only 3% voted to separate and why would they want to separate if Chechnya is thriving in Russia!
Vasili Curd LOL I love "3%" figures, seems to never exist in democracy
Vice is killin it with the Ukraine coverage! Keep it up!
We are happy they made a great choice
@@zimbabwepapiede926 Did they really? It looks like the Russian dictatorship is falling apart slowly. They will wish to be back in Ukraine.
@@dylanc9174 the fact that people think the Ukrainian politicians aren't crooks is what gets me they sit back and let there ppl get raped
@@dylanc9174 We already how his "dictatorship" falling for whole. Ukraine already tried to get back LDNR and how it ended up?
@@dylanc9174No
7:00 - An interesting translation of the word "вопрос".
yep they translate the word wrong on purpose.
What does it actually mean?
@@user-dm8nd5fc3dit means „Question“
Vice made a living document that will be remembered for centuries. He is the only repirter that goes both sides. Wish media was like that today.
Superman is ded
а есть ли по осетинского конфликта у него же репортажи? Thanks
Vice you were not in Kosovo when the same thing happened. Why?
Kosovo was ok to separate :)
And the beat goes on!
Very good that he can speak the language, good ice breaker. Enjoyed your video
Being fluent in a foreign language is useful for international journalism
you need to get Shane over there telling them all that he loves them haha, that will chill them out a bit XD
"I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you?"
Austrian man cheers for referendum? 1938 flashbacks
YOu do an awesome job !! i will share your video !
Can someone explain for me how this video is supposed to be so biased? He talked to people from both sides, and didn't try to force an opinion on anyone. Simon may be biased, but he doesn't just look for people who share his bias.
Well I mean he calls the international observers “Putin apologists.” 😆 Although the bias was toned down in this segment he just couldn’t help himself at certain points. He appears to be seething on the inside.
@@AlexP-jz9sg I know he's pissed that ethnic Russians want to be w Russia he's so smug about it though SMH
@@Dreznik88 They should move back to Russia then. You can't divide countries up by their ethnic origin or most of the west would be partitioned to different countries. If you move to a country you should live in that country, not annex the land.
@@dylanc9174 why should they leave where they grew up because the government is biased towards them ohhh because that's what Nato wants so they can have ukraine in there pockets????smfh
@@dylanc9174 its OK though they will have there independence and putin will have there back
What hell does act of separatism even mean? I just see a bunch of people leaving one cage to go to another.
Very informative!
This video is well done. It was posted n 2014. I do wonder if such a filming could have been made now.
When is Russia going to annex Brighton Beach?
I dare Putin to do that. ))
Best comment. Cheers from queens.
Молодцы отличная работа, хотелось бы больше видео.
I really liked the questioning of the Austrian poll observer at minute 10:44 it really makes the role of the opinion influencing industry in State financed television more obvious particularly its relationship with other media. Murdoch media is going to have to find another benefactor if Putin goes down.
I‘ m from austria and this guy go by himself-he is a right populist🤡🤮
Thanks for sharing. Appears to be an unbiased piece of work, which is unusual these days. Obvious drastic difference in opinions between Crimean’s vs Tartar’s.
1:59 - Why? *walks away*
Cause his question was who she vote for and not why?
First, to ask a person, who they vote for, is non of his business.
He got an answer should be it!
I'm able to accept you could arrange a referendum in just two weeks (even though it stinks) but I'm don't understand how they managed to prepare all the celebrations and fireworks. I mean there is a national crisis going on and they have time and resources to buy and set up steges and fireworks. But no, Russia is deffinitely not involved.
Crimea has never really been part of Ukraine. Nobody knows what Nikita Hrustsov was thinking when he joined the almost totally Russian are to Ukraine during era of Sovien Union. Crimea+Russia = East Germany + West Germany.
The best solution to solve this Ukrainean issue is made it a neutral state. Henry Kissinger has same kind of idea of "Finlandisation".
Mike Hazeleger if I could 1+ this, I would
Muddy Fudger Cheers bud.
Mike Hazeleger Whew, finally got my ass to a PC. It's nice to see that there's at least a couple people who haven't fallen for Putin's propaganda.
Muddy Fudger Haha the things we do for a +1.
Well the thing is, can we really blame Russians for believing their state media? It's just that they don't have that many independent news media to base their information from..
Dozhd (TV Rain) and Novaya Gazeta seem to be the only ones left and they are being harassed.
I keep on hoping Russians will see for themselves that they are being led to the slaughter by Putin and his clique. Nobody wants a Cold War 2, but it seems to be going in that direction.
Right now, Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine are just forgotten if they get captured, wounded etc. They were 'discharged' without their knowledge for example.
en.novayagazeta.ru/politics/68559.html
Mike Hazeleger That's why I condemn blind Russian-hate just as much as the koolaid some of these people are parroting from Russia Today, or wherever they get it.
Honestly, the Russian people have had some of the worst luck in the world for the past two centuries when it comes to leaders. From greedy tyrants to "fascist" tyrants to incompetent tyrants...I don't know if they've really ever known good leadership. It sounds like a vicious cycle of misery to me.
Thank you for this excellent report!
ruclips.net/video/SoITJSqwFcA/видео.html
Krim 2022
As a Greek supporting Putin, I'd prefer it if he hadn't taken Crimea and other territories from Ukraine, but at the same time I'm against Ukraine joining NATO.
Me too but the Ukraine government make it easy for Putin to annex all this regions because they harass the ethnic minorities.
Hats off to Vice! This is probably the most informative and honest documentation of what Is actually occurring in Ukraine right now. People need to be educated on the situation and this is a great way to do that.
8:49 That smile tho
I'M SO CONFUSED!
It’s not like they really had a choice. I mean vote for Russia or you might have a heart attach or fall out a window!
Or be poisoned or sent like the Taters to central Russia!
Yeah that seems to be the problem now , you voted against Putin you fall out of Windows or fall off cliffs.
According to CNN
@@celinyin1494 So, why did they fall out of the hospital/hotel window?
@@celinyin1494
Ask Putins political opponents , like Navalny who survived poisoning , just to be grown in Russian gulag .
Ask thousands of Russian leaving with nothing , just to escape Putins Nazi regime .
The thing is many of these people that voted weren’t even Crimean and were actually Russian citizens so what do you think they’re gonna vote for
People vote for what is best for them and their kids. Cit does not matter. The us and Europe have exploited Ukraine and used it as a billionaire atm for a long time.
If we had given them a better deal or if they had paid them better when western corporations hyjacked assets after the maidan we would have them. If the us wanted to be good to them they could have let them become the 52 us state…it’s no further than Hawaii and way more valuable.
Just more FSB manipulation and coercion for their land grab.
Russia's tricks do not change but they expect no one to learn from their past ploys ?!? Get real !
Ukraine is so on to their games, tricks, and ploys.
I only hope that Europe wises up like Ukraine soon! Winter is coming for Europe literally, and just like in the "Game of Thrones" show. No time to loose. Better wise up and start preparing for a deep freeze winter. We had ALL better prepare, prepare, prepare. None of us will be immune and we had ALL better stick together just like at Winterfell. It is going to be a harsh winter season for everybody. Make your plans for a ZERO Russian oil & gas supply winter of COLD and dark. Off the grid as much as possible. Camping indoors, cooking with camp stoves, wood stoves, wood fires, solar. Stock dried and canned food as much as possible. NOW. If all kinds.
Get a solar generator NOW if at all possible. Knit, order, & buy super warm coats, boots, and clothes for cold temperatures NOW.
@@corinnem.239 well when Jimmy dore has photos of Ukrainian soldiers with nazzi tattoos you kind of have to wonder
The reality is all wars are started by funding extremists because normal people don’t shoot each other
Liar
true....they're transplanted russians brought to crimea after 2014
this is the quiet before the storm ,I hope it doesn't get violent but I have a strong feeling that it might
We are happy at home.Greetings from Krym( Crimea)
Nine years later and things have gone to Hell in a hand basket
Those fireworks are some nice foreshadowing
i loled at that "made in russia" note. just so you know, the rifles of those ukranian military also have that sign.
And they also just came out of factory brand new and shining ?
actually probably not, just because they're AKs doesn't mean they're russian made
@@kruemel534 Maybe you don't know but there is so many Russians in Africa
The question if Crimea citizens were intimidated by Russian soldiers or other authorities. It does not seem so. Of the people of Crimea want to control their own destiny and if that is with Russia so be it.
Very cool. Except, that's still against the national laws what Russia did. And remember what happened to Chechnya when it tried to control its own destiny? Yeah, why didn't Russia let those people choose?
@@antona.1327 i guess it all depends. For any country it is against tbe law of the nation to succeed. America for example succeeded from England. They had war. Then the Confederate South succeeded from the Union and a civil war ensued. Personally i think war sucks. Everything should be done to avoid it. Referendums and a civilized vote and fair vote is a better path. A similar thing happened in Canada where a referendum was held in Quebec which almost separated to become an independant nation. The seperation vote was 49 percent in favour so Canada almost dissolved. It is still an issue.
@@antona.1327 is controlling your destiny when you kill people in hospitals and bomb infrastructure and do terrorism??
At 2:00 she gave him the answer like it was silly! But the second he asked why she ran away like she didn't have an answer... Hmm..
These kind of situations always terrify me. All it takes is couple of car-bombs to go off.
EU has placed sanctions against 21 persons, meaning they will limit their visits to EU and also maybe freeze their assets. Seems bad. I hope this doesn't escalate.
I hope it does.
The only way this will end is if somebody does the world a favour and puts a bullet in the back of Putin's head. There will never be peace in Eastern Europe so long as this lunatic is calling the shots.
Eight years later and the situation has went to Hell in a hand basket
@@reanimationeas342Surprised it took this long really.
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 With the nightmare invasion, the military occupation of Crimea is tame in comparison
True picture of ownership: While in Oxford, MS, I had seen numerous photographs of the American civil war (around 1861 - 1865). Common sense dictated that any war fought a decade earlier may well have been well photographed. The Crimean war (1853 - 1855) fought between Russia and allies of Turkey, as in Tennyson's poem was also well photographed. It wasn't annexation: Who owns Crimea? a small piece of land jutting out of the peninsula of greater Ukraine? In 1783 Catherine the Great , Queen of Imperial Russia and an ethnic German, sent her colorfully dressed army and military to liberate the original capital of Rus, village of Kyiv. The actual reason was to create a whole new land called CossackLand. On advice of her generals, she decided to create a country called Ukraine (Ukraine means suburbs or outskirts of the Russian speaking lands) instead of calling the whole country Cossackland. She also attached the smaller peninsula called Crimea to Russian province in 1783 or 1791, as Crimea was predominantly Russian speaking back in 1791. In 1954, the province of Ukraine had won a diplomatic coupe: 1) In 1954, Khrushchev went back to his office in Moscow at midnight, drunk, with his driver, and wrote an office memo, saying he is transferring Crimea from Russia to Ukraine,. Body guard and driver: "This transfer of Crimea by office memo isn't legal enough", said his driver and bodyguard, both ethnic Russians. (2) Soon after, within 1954, Khrushchev convinced the Soviets to transfer day to day administration and salaries of the mayor and staff working in Crimea from Russia funds to Kyiv funds. Salaries came from Kyiv instead of Moscow. Now, this was a diplomatic coup. So, now both sides could claim to own Crimea, and this may have some justification. Americans are sweet talking people who, the world remembers, took over the western hemisphere from the native Americans. so, the average American politician, people like the guy to the right, says, :"If our American forefathers could take over America from the native Americans, why shouldn't the Ukrainians take over /Crimea from Russia on a false claim?". so, both sides are right, in their claims, in my opinion. In 1991, Yeltsin asks few town hall employees of Crimea who worked between 1956 and 1991, "Where do you Crimean Russians get your salaries from?" Answer "We three municipal employees in Crimea get salaries from Kyiv". So Khrushchev was very subtle in the Soviet transfer of source of salaries of municipal officials and admin officials of Crimea. Yeltsin to his 10 secretaries, "Now I have pay royalty to Ukraine. Town hall salaries of Crimea used to come from Kyiv". What does all this mean? That Russia's claim to Crimea is legitimate.
lol no the tatars own it
4:08
Yes!
good work and good luck
Я смотрю там разруха полная, троллейбус из каменного века, все здания в плохом состоянии. Включил русские субтитры, стало веселей. )
Vice News. Possibly the only news agency who actually ask the PEOPLE what they want.
Yes, usually VICE is good like that but this time I was surprised to see them have such preconceived attitude "You don't really want that. You were brainwashed by the commies." which is unacceptable in unbiased journalism. Of course that situation is tricky but at the end of the day what people want is what matters.
Excellent Reporting. 👍👍🙏
Well done Vice. Journalism!
Simon why are you gaslighting? The Crimea was part of the Soviet Union- never Ukraine.
Crimea wasn't just gifted to Ukraine, it was necessary to because Crimea was connected to the Ukrainian SSR. This was affirmed by multiple friendship treaties and the Belovezha Accords of 1991-92, the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, the Russo-Ukrainian Friendship treaty of 1997, Treaty of 2003 and so on. One of which was overseen by Putin. So Crimea is infact Ukraine, and Donbass is too.
High compliments on your excellent coverage of the 'Ukrainian conflict', aka 'Russian Roulette'. Looking at the dispatches, watching the reactions and seeing the brainwashed versus the seriously stressed, brought home in a serious professional journalistic sense, showing the absolute ludicrous insane nature of the ongoing saga, definitely warrants a top Pulitzer Prize ! Keep em coming my friends and please stay safe, you have a Canuck as a loyal viewer and supporter...
By brainwashed you of course mean the Ukranians who decided to side with Timashenko and the other corrupt thieving bastards?
May Ukraine invade Crimea and wipe them all from the map.
Coverage isnt great, its biased and no context provided to explain history of crimea and how they have wanted to join russia for a long time
@@enterpassword3313
Sure buddy 😅
@@DutchWeazel yes, its interesting how most people i talk to know 1 or 2 western propaganda talking points and nothing else. Anyone who actually knows the facts knows im right
1750 voters, 20 voted, 10%? I'm guessing the subtitles are just wrong there
Ну и где автоматчики, загоняющие людей на референдум?
Да их и не было никогда
Translation at 2:45 is incorrect (women who was robbed by Ukraine). She said: "I from his account (he had 6000)... 'catches breath' they didn't gave me 500 for his burial! They said Yulia canceled this law".
А водичка то більше не капає з того краника!
Зато с вашего капает не переставая. В больничку-бы вам, к венерологу!
@@user-nb7wz3gd6i а вам до якого спеціаліста направлення виписати? ))
Ukraine is 77% Ukrainian. Crimea is by a large margin Russian. So if they want to he a part of Russia, it's their right under international law. A country should determine it's own fate without interference. Why is it so hard to just give Russia the Crimea? And why won't Russian supporters just leave it at that?
Why want more? Those who don't approve over where they are should move . Simple. And Rissia should take care pf those who reject Ukraine. Why should the Ukranian goverment support them?
Is it really that difficult? And why was the referendum illegal and the Scottish/English one not? What happened to the notion that governments should support and respect the will of the people?
+jp kriel Your argument makes less sense when you realise that Crimean Russians are immigrants from Russia.. so what you are saying is that you believe that if enough immigrants moved to a country and took part in a referendum to join their home country it would have to...
Shouldn't also Russian be able to choose their own president? LOL
....under international law....
@@ian9037 You forget that Crimea used to be a part of Russia. Krushchev annexed it to Ukraine in the 1950s.
Exactly! The issue is that NATO wanted Crimea, that's all
@@ian9037 that is absolutely not true, please study history
Очень правдиво. Так всё и происходило
8 years ago - this was filmed wonder how they feel now ?
Вот они те кто голосовал под дулами автоматов. ))))))))))
и сколько там молодежы?)))
As much as I dont think Russia is the answer but if its what most of the people want then they should become part of Russia. I was not for Obama but that dont mean he shouldnt be my president.... and as long as everything goes peacefully then I hope western countrys dont stick there nose where it dont belong.
These sorts of actions are illegal for a reason. It would be quite easy to invade another country, blast propaganda then hold a vote to claim more land.. Mexico could do it easily stating that there are many 'native speaking mexicans' in Texas.
The Baltic states got to have a referendum too under Stalin about joining the Soviet Union.
Gary Sanders Mexico wouldn't do it because then the US would just straight up annex Mexico completely. Just something to consider. I for one enjoy the fact that America has such friendly neighbors.
Gary Sanders "It would be quite easy to invade another country, blast propaganda..." - well explained U.S. policy
Iain Colledge I'm from Estonia and I know how that the referendum was strongly influenced by S.U. at that time. People had two options:
1) you will vote for joining S.U.
2) you will be deported to Siberia
+everybody had to participate because gunman made you.
I think it's pretty clear that Russia was in there by this time, but even I'm appalled by that tire cheap shot.
0:55 For the last 23 years. There was no border between members of the USSR, and no one cared or realised about Crimea being transfered to Ukraine until 1991.
"Im joining russia bc ukraine is full with thiefs"
Russian oligarchs and politicians: Heehehehehehheheheheh
Poor souls😉😉😉😉😉
did ya hear the man said he waited for this moment for 20 years? almost everyone in crimea thinks the same. if they wanted to join russia let them join russia, if Kiev wants to join EU let them join eu, problem solved. Crimea didnt participate in your bloody coup and never had a say in your revolution, so its turn for them to make their choice too. Dont be so selfish maidan
Simon are you by any chance related to Alexander Ostrovsky?
War is war, but theres always time for lunch... my new favorite saying
I like how that first lady got defensive when asked why.
She probably is more angry to the new "thieves" than the old ones.
Babuska, love your grandma
Some of the best reporting for sure ...some of the big boys CNN,BBC,etc should take some lessons here...Be safe Simon and crew!
One of the problems here is that the people who don't want to separate Ukraine are refusing to vote in the poll that will decide it. What part of that don't they understand?
so if i decide not to vote then an election is unfair?
also if they actually beleived in free and fair elections they (ukraine/ukrainians) would have organised one themselves
Always wondered what the hell went on over there. And it's already been four years and like it never happened. And it still is.