Laser show killed my main camera - How did this happen and invoice explained $$$$
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2021
- Watch how lasers fried my #Canon #1dxM2 at a #wedding. What not do, what to expect and how much can this cost you to repair.
My team and I were covering a beautiful luxury wedding when one of our shooters noticed lines burned across his entire screen. The camera had been completely destroyed by a the lasers at the event. Has this happened to you? What have you done about it? Let me know in the comments.
In this video I show you step by step how it happened and you'll even hear from the pros at Canon.
That's why properly trained, licensed laser vendors keep the lasers above the crowd
agreed, plus: thats why properly trained camera operators never work in front, but in back of lasers.
Yeah but as a Laser Tech and Photographer.
Even when you have them in about 4m height. Everything in Check and all Safety Zones prepared. I even do a test with a meter. But my cam had some dead Pixels from one of my Shows as well. It’s just something to consider.
crowd scanning is thing than can be done safely but without more information here its impossible to know if necessary precautions were taken.
it does look like the beams heading into the crowd are fairly high divergence but given that a camera was damaged i doubt everything was done correctly.
@@dmx512a but Eyes and a Sensor are still a different. they're often very sensetive and even amplified through a Lens. So any Beam can damage them. even when its under 1mw.
But yet most venues are at eye level smh. I swear every wedding or indoor event with a DJ is firing off lasers now. It really sucks. I told a DJ the other day and he his jaw dropped when I told him what laser are doing now to mirrorless cameras if your not cautious
doing party videography since 11 years. never had this issue. oh bro... everyone who didn`t sleep in school knows, what happens, when you stand in OPPOSITE of lasers. when shooting parties, always make shure to have the lasers BEHIND you. yes, it doesn`t give you the great "in front of stage" frame, but it keeps you safe. whenever i have a student, i teach them: if you see a laser, this is star wars for you camera. keep it away from "pew pew pew".
what you also can do: - try to explain the wedding ppl. that lasers have to be ABOVE heads of the crowd. - check safe corners in the room. - try new angles with lasers in back. if lasers force you to find a creative solution: well thats okay.
"there are no problems - only solutions"
-john lennon
Or just speak with the laserist before you start filming or taking photos, he/she can tell you exactly what laser effects will be used, where the hazard zones are, how much vertical clearance you have overhead. A pretty much international standard is that all lasers should be kept at a minimum of 3 meters vertical distance over the highest point where any audience can stand. In some countries there is an exception for special audience scanning effects, however these involved defocusing the laser and reducing irradiance to a maximum of 2.5mW per square centimeter plus special backup systems in place to monitor scanner inertia. 2.5mW per square centimeter is a very very small amount of laser irradiance, which in my experience should not damage a camera or DLP video projector, so if your camera is damaged at a show (and you didn't raise it up into the beam path via monopod or go up on a lift or somewhere that the audience does not have access to in order to get a better shot) then it's likely the laser irradiance is far exceeding that limit and is likely unsafe for eyes, cameras and DLPs (and depending on the country, probably illegal).
I always carefully follow procedure and always maintain a strong emphasis on safety, but here's an example of what can happen. I once had an outdoor concert where I had a videographer take 2 very expensive Red film cameras up on a boom lift, I saw it before the show and asked them to come down (and they did) and I warned them that laser effects were going to be used during the following set. The lasers were zoned safely overhead of the audience, probably 25-30 ft overhead at that distance, and set the night before at the very specific projection angles authorized by the country's government aviation authority and I was not able to raise it. During the show, when I was out of view, they decided to go back up on the lift to get an aerial view, and severely damaged both of their cameras. I was facing the stage, working from inside the FOH tent (the lift was directly behind the tent and out of my view), my spotter was watching the sky for aircraft and because of the FOH tend obstructing his view of the ground did not see them raising the lift until it was too late. It only took a moment to destroy those cameras, and by the time he could reach over to hit the e-stop there was $10000 of damage to the sensors. And because they went up on a boom lift which was specifically disallowed, insurance would not cover it.
Please always be careful and keep in mind that being a photographer or videographer often gives you access to areas that are normally closed to the audience. As a laserist, I always take close care during setup to aim my zones to avoid any projectors or cameras in fixed positions, as well as to ensure the laser hazard zones have safe clearance from anywhere the audience can stand / climb / carry mylar balloons, etc. It's often possible for a photographer or videographer to gain access to these laser hazard areas that are normally closed to audience and staff or raise the camera into the beam path using a monopod, so please speak with the laserist before you climb or enter any area that appears to be closed / inaccessible to the public and staff, and take note of any laser hazard signs posted. I'm always happy to shut down the lasers for a few minutes for any photographer or videographer wanting to get an aerial view.
If you are in the US then you may want to try and claim the repair cost of your camera from the laser show company's business insurance as they were audience scanning with the lasers which is an illegal act in all US states unless they have gone through special training to gain an audience scanning variance from the FDA.
I am a laser show operator in the UK and I personally would never conduct a show like in this video as the human eye can be just as easily and permanently damaged as a CCD or CMOS and Canon don't do replacement retina's.
While true the calculations for eye safety assume the sensitivity of a human retina and the maximum magnification and appeture of the same with an additional allowance for prescription eyewear. They are not intended for a CMOS sensor with a large professional lens collecting and focusing light with a much larger diameter especially if said lens has a narrow FOV. Some of these will easily be damaged by laser scans that meet safety limits for eye exposure or even by a class 1 laser considered to not even need such precautions for eye safety can still damage other optical equipment with very different optics. As such it is important to understand the limitations of your equipment when it comes to photographing even correctly set up eye safe laser effects, looking at the divergence of those beams this is exactly the sort of scenario where the much greater magnification and aperture diameter of a professional camera would make it orders of magnitude more vulnerable.
Hi! How long did your camera stay there until you concluded the damage?
Thanks for this information. This is a simple content but very educational☕☕
Ouch..Thanks for the info Bro, just had my Eos R repaired few months back because of a damaged viewfinder caused by shooting a video for a long time on direct sunlight. Luckily for me it was only the viewfinder LCD and not the sensor but still, its always painful to have this types of damage to our camera.. 😅👍
yeah mirrorless cameras are even more susceptible to this damage. Sucks
Great video. R.I.P. 1DXmkii
RIP indeed
i usually explained this to my clients before taking a job that lasers are a risk we cannot shot if there are some lasers
That’s the smart Decision. Or ask if they time the Lasers and your Shooting. The Laser Operator is there and is probably happy if you ask nicely.
Wow thank you for posting this video i didnt know about this and i used to do alot of clubs videos good to know i wont do club video anymore i was doing club video for 300 dollars with a canon 1dx mark ii
Hello, does those lines and black dots appear also on the recorded videos?
Yes, hence the problem
Is there any other DIY way to fix this?
As a lighting tech myself looking at the thickness of the lasers appear far to powerful for such a small space, not sure about the USA but in UK there're are very strict laws in the wattage in venues, it is very unlikely normal nightclub lasers will damage your sensor as they are not powerful enough 500mw if you are lucky, however when you start going into 20000mw upwards which are reserved for concerts or festival events then there is the possibly of frying the sensor. If applicable laws are the same in the states technically you could sue the company if they are found to be using lasers that exceed what is acceptable in a smaller venue.
Thanks for the tip
glad it could help
I wonder if they will now create a filter, like the UV Filters we use, to possible combat or eliminate the laser damage in the future. Maybe there’s a possible New Product to manufacture…. Just saying.
Yeah it would have to be a filter that doesn't cut out light because it's already dark in the there. The last thing you need is take away more light
if the laser fries the sensor, it also fries your eyes. stay safe out there! (the uv comparison doesn't work --- . laser light is in the visible range, you can't filter it easily)
If a laser can BURN a sensor, imagine our eyes retina…
Actually an important video but seen by ver less audience.
Pls I thought this works only when you remove the lens from the camera covering it
In this new year party at I was taking a picture of laser from my phone, and I literally pointed my phone directly to the source of laser. Well, I guess I don't have to tell you what happened next
.. got my R5C, R6 & R damaged last night
thanks for the warning.
so if i got to work at an event, i’ll ask whether there’ll be lasers or not in the event.
there are? *find another photographer*
there aren’t? proceed
I repair broadcast video cameras; it,s very rare that happen but when happen you lose the money for your new car; usually for that type of damage they have a separate insurance that cover a bunch of type of accidents, and broadcast material is not usually intended for private owners.
Honestly I think the solution here is to understand the limitations of your equipment and co-ordinate with the lighting engineers to determine if there is a risk of those limits being exceeded. If so you can devise a plan for the shoot along with them so they can modify their display accordingly to protect your equipment, this may involve programming in increased divergence or non-projection areas to protect your shooting locations from potentially equipment damaging exposure which with professional cameras with large lenses is often much lower than the level that is eye safe.
Not all insurance companies cover laser damage... as the manual clearly states that lasers and sun can damage the camera... so it would be misusage :( ... but the customer should have 3rd party damage insurance for the event... that should cover any damage caused by way more than just 5 cameras... (drones and other stuff should also be considered)
Reasons I wont buy a ronin 4d lol.. laser lidar focus can backfire in a mirror or a reflective surface
This just happened to me at a wedding with a Nikon Z9 need a new sensor now SMH. I had no idea about this and it never crossed my mind to think about or worry about lasers. Luckily I have back up Z9 and a few other bodies but Mann! Having 2 Z9s was nice and now Nikon wants 2,000$ for the fix and my Insurance won’t cover it🤦♂️ I’ve yet to deliver the photos and video yet to the client but I think I’m definitely going to let them know what they wedding did to my camera. PS I was shooting video as well so it seems more prone when shooting video as my wife was using the other Z9 for photos and that camera is fine
Why does insurance say they won't cover it? That sucks...
@@jbondhus they said because it’s a known issue I should have been aware of it and it doesn’t fall Under “accidental” apparently they think i intentionally wanted to laser fry my sensor SMH. So I dropped them
It happen to me yesterday on a wedding shoot. 😪
It happened to me today at an event 😭 checking how to fix it
@@agostinaschenone938it’s impossible, just pay
@@agostinaschenone938I feel your pain. Just happened to my Z9. Nikon wants 2k to fix it
Had a brand new GH5 fried by lasers with the same lines but it was covered under warranty, i had noticed some lasers at this event i went to, even though i was mindful my beloved S5 still got damaged, i found 2 small dead spots i just noticed while editing. From now on, ill refuse to shoot near lasers PERIOD. it's not worth the risk!
Yikes, imagine what it can do to your eyes.
I’ve got a Sony a6600, me and my friends have some little laser display units that we have at parties and I take pictures. Should I be worried about damaging my camera? They aren’t like super professional grade lasers or anything
If the beam doesn't enter the camera aperture then you don't have to worry. For eyes, the safe limit is 2.5mW per square centimeter for a 0.25 second exposure, however while most cameras won't be damaged at this power level there is no guarantee because camera lenses refocus the beam to a pinpoint onto the sensor. Generally speaking, the greater the lens power and larger the aperture, and more professional / expensive the camera, the more sensitive it will be to laser damage. I'm unsure of the type of laser you're using, if it's diffraction grating based then it physically splits the laser source into many lowish powered beams (usually less than 5mW), however if the beam is less than a square centimeter then it's likely the irradiance it much greater than 2.5mW per square centimeter. If it's a scanning type laser, then the effects are generated by a single high powered beam moving very quickly, these are the most likely to damage a camera as it only takes a short pulse from a high powered beam to damage a camera sensor. Even for small private gatherings always aim lasers overhead unless you're very sure the irradiance is at a safe level (best not to trust the manufacturer, measure it with a laser power meter) Hope that helps.
@@StimulatingemissionsCa You know too much than Internet🙂!!...Thanks for the info in other comments too...🍻
My iPhone was damaged at the BlackPink Concert about a week ago 😭
Literally just happened to me and my wife. Me doing video and her doing photos at a sweet 16. My Canon RP doing video got the vertical lines and the R got random red dots scattered throughout the sensor. I'm so sad right now.
What's the update bro??? How did u repair it??? How much it cost u?
@@yashnamta6161 Didn’t repair them. Shop wanted $879 each camera to replace the sensor.
my CMOS got killed by laser on Pageant yesterday and I don't know how much i could spend on my Sony A6400
What's the update bro??? How did u repair it??? How much it cost u?
my EOS R gone too yesternight. Should have seen your video before as precaution.😔😔🤒
What's the update bro??? How did u repair it??? How much it cost u?
Mine just got bad right now
do the camera manufacturers even put this warning in their instruction manuals ? I use my Z6 in a science room from time to time and there was a laser involved, but I have had no issues, but the lasers were being use by students who had them focused in a particular direction not toward the camera.
Who points that kind of lasers into peoples faces?!
Clubs, underground shows, most European countries allow crowd scanning and amateur light engineers.
how we can fix please reply
You don’t.
Buy a new camera
change the sensor
change the sensor but doing so will cost you half of the price of a camera a new body sometimes costs more, so yeah. Most people choose to buy a new one
I've fried two cameras in weddings with 2 years of difference whit 5 and 20mW laser beams.
First, Canon R
Second one, 5dmk3 in live view
Believe me, it was horrible.
My Sony a7iv pixel dead by laser 😐
same bro..
I own the same exact camera and it just happened to me shooting an EDM show last night with lasers
in general you need to put in yor contract that the client carries the risk if you should shoot a lasershow. + on top get yourself into laser knowledge then you learn fast what you can shoot and what not. and if you have only professionals on the photo and on the laserist side then you never have a problem as then this cant happen. as then you put your camera in a fixed position on a tripod and the laserist will create a small non projection area in the software exactly where your camera lens is and then you can record a lasershow without any risk ans never any direct light will hit your sensor. but ofc in the semi professional areas like wedding photographers and wedding DJs this will probably never happen.
Kase Anti-Laser filters
i come here what's the solution after my camera damage by laser lights
Unfortunately heavy loss
I just shot a wedding this weekend and my Sony Siii damaged my sensor. 800 dollar repair.
What's the update bro??? How did u repair it??? How much it cost u?
My FX3 was covered under factory warranty but I didn’t mention lasers and Siii Riii where covered under my insurance, I paid 400 dollars.
@@JesusJimenez-td8wc Thanks for replying bro. Will keep in mind not to mention laser coz my pink dots are very tiny and seems like manufacturing defect
you can use a ND Filter to reduce the risk. but on top the isntallation shown in your show is very unprofessional as the laser installed too low and not keeping to necessary distance + you should never run lasershows without haze which takes a lot of energy out of the light.
Lasers at events are something to talk to the lighting engineer about. Most of the time they will program a safe zone or will adjust the laser to aim at the ceiling or will just turn off the lasers for long enough to get your shots or program to stay above the crowd. If they refuse to work with you then pack your shit and go, the light engineer nor client will pay for your gear most of the time. 2k just to fix a sensor is ridiculous. For 2k you've got yourself another camera.
Yup 2k I forked out a few months ago. I’ll refuse and walk out on any wedding client and they can cry to their laser technicians if they refuse to work with me. It’s either have a party full of laser for a day or no memories to look back on for a life time. It should be an easy decision
Same problem with my r6 :’(
same problem with my Sony a6000 :(
Same with my r6 😭
@@agostinaschenone938 oh no! Ill pay $1400 usd +/- for sensor 😓
Mann literally just happened to me this weekend . I have an r6 as well. Probably just gonna replace the sensor instead of getting a new body
Everyone who sees this, DO NOT FILM A SELF DRIVING CAR, they use infrared lasers not visible to the naked eye and WILL damage your cam.
Good to know, thanks.
the background music in your video does not make it easy to watch your vid. i thought it was the TV in the next room. u need to work on that
Buy only DSLR, dont buy mirrorless...
the laser damage the sensor bro, not the visor
Hey man great to find something on RUclips on this subject matter>>>> I do have a possible solution.. and need one because I WILL not take NO as an answer... my solution is the same one as you would use to protect your human eyes.... FILTERS It would be a bit of a modification a little bit of DIY.. but if you get full range eye protection with a LET THROUGH of say 40% or less and as I mentioned MOD the filter to fit in front of the camera lens you should be good to go.... I CAN'T let this hurdle prevent me from filming I just can't.
3 things to think about with lasers.... POWER what WATTAGE are the lasers and what protection and what "LET through %" will help everyone with this matter.. I have a cam with a burned out sensor think the damage was a few things; Close ups of glowing outdoor fires filming the RADIANT heat to sparks and lasers now the cam is practically useless but got to keep at it gotta find better safer ways.