To clarify, when I say voice lines can be recorded years before, I mean that when a game like this exists that took (allegedly) years and years to make, a AAA game, voice lines are recorded early enough in that multi-year cycle that they can be used to create the story, but not so early that the script can't be modified. It varies from game to game. I do not know SPECIFICALLY when these voice lines were recorded, but they are not usually recorded the same year the game releases. It's usually fairly far in advance, and then actors are brought back in for modifications. Use Fortnite creator code DJAY123 to support the channel! Thanks! :) Our Store! - cosmobunny.shop - code - DJAY123 at checkout for 10% off!
I remember Scott Porter mentioning how he'd been cast as Winter Soldier some years before being added to the Avengers game. It does make me wonder what's in store if people keep Suicide Squad alive, even though I fundamentally disagree with the concept of players funding the game they already bought.
Not even that, no one is interested in a live service shooter with repetitive missions and enemies The Avengers is proof, a billion-dollar franchise that completely failed for square
That has nothing to do with me having 0 interest in this. I think the whole concept is complete trash, from the fruity graphics, the multiplayer element, the live service greed, it's just a confusing choice from a company known for gritty single player games. I've been totally out on this from day 1
Yes, like Jay said in his other video, people try to make Kevin out to be some ignorant bafoon. If he saw the disrespect DIRECTLY to him in the story and to Batman, he wouldn't have participated.
Fans: please remaster Arkham origins Wb: we'll do you one better a looter shooter that not only throws comic lore out the window but disrespects all but one justice league member
Tbh it would have done better as something else. People have been asking for Superman forever in this universe and that's not Batman. Nobody really wants a barebones games a service in the universe though.
@@Custer_X Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman (at least we're getting that), build to a JL game, etc. I mean even the lego games of these characters do great. WB just doesn't care what we want.
@@hughmunguss5338 I'll even go further with your list and add more obscure characters like J'on J'ones (Martian Manhunter) or John Constantine, or maybe even The Question. Anyone listed between our two lists could make for a great single player game if given the chance.
Rocksteady turned into Volition Studios. Rocksteady made excellent games just like OG Saints Row from Volition Studios. Then Rocksteady made an awful game just like Volition Studios did with Saints Row 2022 and Agents of Mayhem.
sweet baby inc ruined the game actually, thats why the co founders of rocksteady both left and started a new company called hundredstar games, if you are writer, or youre good at scripting games, or youre a voice actor etc and you live in UK you should definitely join the company.
Was there something to learn from Madame Web. It is bad sure, but there scattershot approuch where they shot quick and just slop the film put there has made them a lot more then it has lost them (look at venom for exanple and how quickly that was turned around and how much it made despite its quality). The only argiment is they cpuld make more which is fair and a films like morbius didnt flop due to a lack of interest. It flopped because despite a more then big enough opening for a film with its budget it collapsed after ots opening in a manner that is rarely if ever seen as essentially no one was recommending it or going to see it again. But even with that the films they have made that make bank more then make up for the misfires they have had so far.
@@ThatOneNerd2 yes and no. Nobody specificallly asked for a Batman game set in Arkham, sure, but people were asking for a good Batman game for years, it just happened to have Arkham as it's main setting.
Their inability to figure out why a bunch of players cannot even boot up the game without it freezing at the “Signing into WB Services” screen (myself included), let alone fix it, after several weeks, is infuriating
Lame? It'd be awesome if anything. Dick deserves his own game. He's been long overdue for some time in the spotlight, and his story could also go different places from Batman's norm since he's also tied to the Titans.
Big corporations have a weird obsession, giving out content no one wants or ever asked for! Batman first appeared 1939, if fans WANT Batman THEN GIVE THEM BATMAN!
Rather than looking at their mistakes and finding a way to fix them, they'll just blame everyone else and say we're the problem and that no one wants batman games anymore.
People also don't want to kill the JL aside from maybe the small people who did. There's also politics injected into it. Plus the lore is inaccurate. Lantern rings float away to find a worthy bearer. So not only was the writing mean spirited but also the inaccuracies.
Going to be honest, how can video game companies that are supposed to be good at doing business not pay attention to the actual reason people are not buying their games, if it’s successful fine ignore the complaints if you desire but if it’s a failure wouldn’t you want the real reason it failed instead of making one up for like ego or whatever
I ask the same question. It seems like there are more powerful leftist corporations that think sending a message and pushing certain agendas are the most important thing right now. They don’t mind taking the financial hit or shutting down publishers because they already have so much money and own everything. The only goal is to slowly spread the “progressive” message. You can tell because they continue to do it despite terrible sales time after time across several forms of media. We can only try to vote with our wallets and hope companies eventually get the message, stop getting political, and start making good content again.
The thing is they took 9 years to make a game no one wanted. Plus this game feels very hateful. There’s nothing wrong with the justices league dying he’ll even Batman (it’s not what I want) but it’s the way it’s done it feels dirty & disrespect & I can’t believe they really thought people would like this. W vid Jay
The hateful aspects of this game are really visible in heroes deaths. They want this fun underdog team vibe like in guardians of the galaxy. But hard to make me feel like that when we just gunned down someone like the flash, who’s one of my childhood icons. The death of one of comics biggest heroes is used as a Segway in to a penis joke. Bizarrely written
@conathlnzo8126 that's not even criticism, also they have the rights to send death threats? This is why sometimes I hate freedom of speech because it just leads to idiots like them to do stupid things like that
They think as long as they aren't willing to act on it, it shouldn't be taken seriously. Except, who can read their minds? Plus, what gamer hasn't received a death threat in their life?
This whole situation was just a letdown. The game could have been really fun, but instead its just a slap in the face to the same people who enjoyed and supported all of their previous projects. I don't even need Batman back, but I don't really want a game like this. If I want this kind of game I can play Fortnite and it's actually fun and free.
The problem is they won't learn. They'll probably just lay people off from the WB Games divisions like Rocksteady then blame people like us and be mad. Then they'll make nothing for years again lol
It’s been 9 years since Arkham Knight and this is what we got. Let’s think about that. And even if you think this is better or a worthy successor keep in mind Arkham City to Arkham Knight had less than half of that. Even if you think Knight is worse look at all the improvements and how it evolved the story. Some let downs yes but overall I don’t think it’s controversial to say that it was a worthy successor.
I just thought it was a little naive of Warner to think that Suicide Squad would make the same money as Hogwarts Legacy. After this flop, the sequel of Hogwarts Legacy could probably come out sooner.
They should have done the grounded heroes like Green Arrow and Wild Cat first and then carefully move to more and more powerful heroes like Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter.
the founders of rocksteady left along with some of the old employees aswell to create an AAA company called HundredStar Games because OBVIOUSLY sweet baby inc took over their company and ruined their project by making it a non AAA game which fucking sucks even more to me than im sure it does to the founders
Tbh even if it was SIMILAR and you teamed up with Batman as the Squad to actually save the JL instead of ending them, it would have been a lot better. Idk why we have to just randomly end our heroes or clones of them. It's so edgy lol.
If the game was its own entity and non-cannon it would've been infinitely better. Because then no one would really have to care about it or emotionally invest into it. WB's big mistake with this game was attempting to attach this thing to the Arkham-verse, however. They underestimated how beloved those games were, even with people being annoyed by Arkham Knight's story.
I mean none of this would fix the writting issues present. It is incomprehensible being connected to arkkam but even on its own it is not consistent or at all well writting. The whole story needed to be scrapped and started over with real mission design added in for the campaign missions.
theres probably an unspoken reason why Rocksteady’s co-founders left before this release. When corporate bean counters force an artist to turn their vision into only a cash cow this is what happens.
I fully expect WB to pull the plug on this game before they even get to the next season of the game where they were allegedly going to bring the Justice League back through cloning or whatever.
A lot of voice actors don't actually get the whole script or even know what piece of media they're voicing for. Also, Kevin Conroy could absolutely have stood by the writing decisions of this game, but that still doesn't mean the writing was good. People don't disagree with the writing for The Last Jedi just because Mark Hamil doesn't like it, people don't like The Last Jedi because it was genuinely badly written. My point: it doesn't matter if Kevin Conroy liked the story of this game. People should form their own opinion without bringing up what someone else could have said or could have thought.
The other thing is you can’t always take what they say as gospel because even Mark Hamil walked back a lot of his comments and even at his most critical he was pretty polite ….because in public What they really think behind closed doors is probably very different
The sad truth is that even though Hogwarts Legacy was the best selling game of 2023, it probably made a fraction to live service games like Fortnite, COD, etc. This isn't the end of WB and live service trust me, I hope I'm wrong tbh, but Warner bros. doesn't seem the learning type.
@@inshal6420The issue isnt live service. They can be good. The issue is adding it to game ideas where it doesnt fit and having studios thay specialize in sp games make live service mp games.
For me this game was doomed since they destroyed canon to fit their writing, a good writing team would have been able to follow estabished lore and if they had trouble it was as easy as to make it some other universe.
Honestly not surprised this game failed. Modern live service games are the new toys-to-life. One game was able to succed (Skylanders), then a bunch of copycats came in trying to get a piece of the pie, and then failed (Disney Infinity, Lego Dimensions, etc). Here, Fortnite, Destiny, and Overwatch suceceded. Then a bunch of copycats come along and try to take a bite from the genre. (Warzone, SSKTJL, etc)
Honestly personally for me I would’ve rather have had a Superman game because that game would’ve been really awesome and tons of fun but that’s just my opinion.
There's rumors that what ultimately became SSKTJL started life as a standalone Superman game before someone at WB pulled the plug on the project. Which if true would explain why this game has Supermans hometown of Metropolis as a sandbox and not say Central City or Bludhaven.
@@tommyfishhouse8050 from what I read apparently there was no rocksteady Superman game ever being made and apparently the plan was always a multiplayer game from the start but that’s just my opinion
Absolutely agree with your point about how devs are handling criticism publicly. I mean, you’d think people who work with tech as often as they do and have to be so solid at taking into account the public eye would be more concerned about how permanent what you say on the internet truly is.
People are insane. He had very few opportunities left to play the character and fans WANTED him to play the character. He isn't responsible for the writing or directing choices. His job is to deliver lines. Even if he absolutely HATED the direction and he likely knew that fans wouldn't be thrilled, why would he stay home and stare at the walls rather than work on this game? At the end of the day, it was a job. The man had family who could use the money, bills to pay and time to fill. It is astonishing to me that anyone but literal children could think he was going to stay home, or had to be tricked into doing it.
I'd imagine their post launch content will be cut short with this game being a failure. Probably they'd finish their season 1, but I'd say they'll wrap it up soon after that, really prematurely compared to their original plans. But, I'm not really surprised and not complaining lol. Nobody wanted this game to begin with, and it was evident with people voting with their wallets. Shame they couldn't give us a game that we wanted, like a Superman game or a Justice League game.
The fact that WB legitimately said "It's So Over, Bros" is somewhat admirable. And considering another high profile game franchise of theirs (Mortal Kombat) is also losing all sorts of steam, we might get to hear them admit this again. Hopefully this will teach them that selling expensive unfinished & mean spirited games isn't what people want. But like you said, they'll most likely learn the wrong lesson from this. 5:28 Also this joke would've been better if you said Jared instead of Jerry.
According to some very reliable mk leakers. WB are pleased with MK and making plans beyond the second Kombat pack…..so at least in their eyes MK seems to be a success
@@billmcdermott9647 the game is losing players on a almost daily basis due to the game having a myriad of problems, so I'm honestly not sure how well that additional content will do, but I guess only time will tell.
Yeah we will have to see but since this leaker has been right on everything going back to mk11 I tend to believe him when he says they are happy @@Ladies_mAn_217
It’s hard to say because it’s been out for a while and not claimed it’s a failure while suicide squad they seem to be outright expressing failure ….so they must be considering it some form of success @@Ladies_mAn_217
i do some research about this game, it's developed by Rocksteady studios, how on earth they went from creating a masterpiece like Arkham Knight, Arkham City to this garbage???? mind blowing. What happen inside Rocksteady?? did they fired all the original devs?? and replace them with Woke/feminist devs? this is total job and insult to Arkham Knight.
I tried to play this game and give it a chance but in my opinion even the combat is just dull and boring. I couldn’t make it past like 3 hours because I was just bored.
I think a lot of people really underestimate how much Kevin Conroy loved voicing this character. His performance is the only redeeming factor of some pretty terrible shows and movies set around Batman. He's lent his voice to stuff that turned out badly before, and he still took those parts because he was passionate about voicing this character. That being said, with a lot of stuff, the voice actors don't usually see the totality of the work, so there was probably some stuff that the game decided to do with this character that he didn't know about.
I don't know if it's just me but i'm really tired of the Suicide Squad IP, it's been overused, i didn't like either live action movies, i only enjoyed Hell to Pay and this game really just gave me more Suicide Squad fatigue
The decision to release the game in its current state with bad-taste plots, jeopardizing the future of its roadmap, may result in Kevin's pre-recorded lines never being used and the true ending parts of the game never being produced or playable, it’s a crime😢
If there’s one thing I like about these games failing is that It doesn’t matter how Iconic or recognisable the IP is, It will fail if it’s dog shit and people won’t Like it, sadly that lesion hasn’t been learned by the big corpos yet and probably never will.
I heard from other RUclipsrs, that the rocksteady team behind this game isn’t mostly the old rocksteady. Whether it’s factual, it sucks to see the perception of their studio diminished.
If this game's characters actually played like their comic book counterparts as opposed to identical looter shooter characters. The game would have done a lot better. Imagine if Marvel made Thor go around shooting enemies with a machine gun!!! It's simply asinine. The bad writing is just a cherry on top of this live service pile of crap.
I knew this game would be horrible the moment I heard its premise in DC Fandome. I'm an Arkham series fan so I didn't like how they disgracefully killed Batman. They should have made his death emotional for Harley given their long history together. For example, Clementine killing Lee in The Walking Dead Telltale game. Now I wish they'd made this game non canon to the Arkhamverse. They can't make Arkham games for Superman, Wonder Woman or the others now that they're dead.🤦🏽♂
I don't wanna pay 70 Euros for a unfinished game you can't play when you buy it, you pay for buying and more paying microtransactions for upgrade, this game is about how much you pay after buy it,
@@willbaker6532 yup, aside from rocksteady poor writing, as soon as the majority of people find out that sweet baby inc was involved, they basically stayed away from the game.
This is my shocked face, I swear. Like I said: enough with the "games as a service" garbage. Complete, clean (as in not broken and all glitches patched pre-release) games on release, PLEASE!. That's not asking for much and honestly should be a common sense type of no-brainer by all gaming companies at this point. It's no coincidence that peaks of gaming sales happened in previous gens of gaming consoles across the board compared to now with the rise of this games as service crap.
im like 98% sure that kevin did those lines but the original game wasnt going to kill him off so my theory is that sweet baby inc cut out the other voice lines of kevin conroys performance and to this day they probably still have the rest of his voice lines somewhere in their company files.
I almost completely agree with you, except I still think it's wiser to remember that Kevin Conroy, while an amazing human being, was still a human being and not an infallible god. I would never attack the guy, but I do think it's a mistake to act like he couldn't make mistakes or choose projects that didn't put Batman in the best light. It would be entirely understandable if the dude made some bad choices. The blame, though, is on the people who made this trainwreck. I guess corporate wanted their live-action whale-bait, and multiverses and Fortnite are in!, so...let's just do what everyone else is doing and make as much money as possible for the least amount of effort (or to be more fair, effort put into all the wrong places), and who cares how well any of that fits into the world that Rocksteady had lovingly built or the effects it has on it, even retroactively. I still have plenty of criticism to go around for Arkham Knight, but for all its problems, at the end of the day that game was still incredibly fun, detailed, and well-made. My soul still calls me back to that game at least once a year regardless of the laundry list of issues I have with it. I can't defend this thing AT ALL, and I don't even want to because *_everything_* I can't stand about the gaming industry in 2024 is on display here. And you're absolutely right that they always seem to come away having learned the wrong lessons. Blaming fans for design choices _they_ made is peak self-destructive arrogance, and worse right now because this is hardly the first time fans have had to deal with it over the past decade.
At one point in my life I had wanted to help make video games…now I couldn’t be happier that I didn’t follow through. The game industry is now so full of bull crap: micro transactions, overpriced ‘dlc’, sad and pathetic ’remakes’…(GTA, Warcraft, and Battlefront come to mind)…nothing is sacred anymore. MoDeRn GaMiNg….christ what a joke.
Jay even if they revive the justice league it doesn't matter because they disrespected the goat Arkham batman my favourite version of my favourite superhero the damage is already done
the best way to tell Rocksteady how this game is, is not to buy the game if you think it's not good. I haven't bought it for the simple fact that I don't like the "only online" games like this. I bought the Arkham Knight game and it was great, but when I heard about this game then heard about all the issues with the game, it was not a sell for me...
In my opinion they should use the story from the Mobile game DC heroes and villans and make a AAA game inspired by that. There would be a lot of characters they could add with DLC.
I mean having the takeaway of we don’t like these characters isn’t that bad. I can speak for many that we are tired of seeing the suicide Squad. Dc has been trying to shove this group down our throat since the success of guardians from marvel and no one wants it.
They should just let Harley Quinn die for like a couple of years, man am sick of them trying to pass her up as some kind of anti hero, not all villains should be redeemed
Money is the only thing a lot of video game developers care about. If you gave a bunch of fans enough time they could probably do a great mod to make this game so much better.
It's a very good-looking game, so kudos to the artists, designers, and animators. Just a shame the writers chose 'wacky and clownish' over something more thoughtful. All that talent could have been marshalled into a dark single-player. Alas.
Hey Jay, was wondering if you would ever do another video with the guy you use to do the Arkham games with? Was just super fun to hear your back and forth. Also that’s not a statement about your content without him, I am a long time follower and love your content, just think that’d be sweet to have another team up vid .
He did 2 recently. One was about Prometheus and one was about the Batmobile in Arkham Asylum. T was back for those. Apparently he does a lot of hours now at his other job so it's hard for them to line it up Jay said.
@@Darrinwilliamsmedia RUclips is very frustrating with this channel. I love Jays stuff and the variety he does but RUclips decides to just send out nothing. Idk why lol. Hope you like those videos I thought they were fun.
To clarify, when I say voice lines can be recorded years before, I mean that when a game like this exists that took (allegedly) years and years to make, a AAA game, voice lines are recorded early enough in that multi-year cycle that they can be used to create the story, but not so early that the script can't be modified. It varies from game to game. I do not know SPECIFICALLY when these voice lines were recorded, but they are not usually recorded the same year the game releases. It's usually fairly far in advance, and then actors are brought back in for modifications. Use Fortnite creator code DJAY123 to support the channel! Thanks! :) Our Store! - cosmobunny.shop - code - DJAY123 at checkout for 10% off!
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100% this. It still confuses me how people will think they record all the voice lines the week before the game comes out or something lol
The lesson they should learn from this is how to write a better story and how to have gud writing plus how to do a live service game
I remember Scott Porter mentioning how he'd been cast as Winter Soldier some years before being added to the Avengers game. It does make me wonder what's in store if people keep Suicide Squad alive, even though I fundamentally disagree with the concept of players funding the game they already bought.
Who would have thought pissing off your entire fanbase by setting tihs in the arkham verse would have caused people not to be intersted in this game?
Because the game was made out of spite not love
Not even that, no one is interested in a live service shooter with repetitive missions and enemies
The Avengers is proof, a billion-dollar franchise that completely failed for square
@@LeonardoSilva-xm8ft and that company rectifyed it by making gaurdians of the galaxy game
That has nothing to do with me having 0 interest in this. I think the whole concept is complete trash, from the fruity graphics, the multiplayer element, the live service greed, it's just a confusing choice from a company known for gritty single player games. I've been totally out on this from day 1
Joker: "Now this is what I call a Killing Joke. HA HA HA HA"
Good video. People saying Conroy was mentally compromised is absolutely horrible. You can tell the man had an absolute blast playing an evil Batman.
Yes, like Jay said in his other video, people try to make Kevin out to be some ignorant bafoon. If he saw the disrespect DIRECTLY to him in the story and to Batman, he wouldn't have participated.
@@seregagerassimov4864are you his relative? You have long deep conversations with him?
@@PeopleRTheProblemso you believe Kevin was an ignorant bafoon ? Because you were his relative and had deep talks with him.
@@blackhand441 nope. Do you think he loved his role in this game because you were his grandmother and new him inside and out?
well....
Fans: please remaster Arkham origins
Wb: we'll do you one better a looter shooter that not only throws comic lore out the window but disrespects all but one justice league member
XD
Making a Batman Arkham game that isnt a Batman Arkham game aint selling well.
Wow who would have guessed 😮?!
Tbh it would have done better as something else. People have been asking for Superman forever in this universe and that's not Batman. Nobody really wants a barebones games a service in the universe though.
@@andyowski5021agreed they should have stuck with that Superman game.
@@Custer_X Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman (at least we're getting that), build to a JL game, etc. I mean even the lego games of these characters do great. WB just doesn't care what we want.
@@hughmunguss5338 I'll even go further with your list and add more obscure characters like J'on J'ones (Martian Manhunter) or John Constantine, or maybe even The Question. Anyone listed between our two lists could make for a great single player game if given the chance.
@@lordcheesus1013 Yeah you'd have to market some of the characters very cleverly but it could definitely be done. It's just sad WB doesn't get it.
Rocksteady turned into Volition Studios.
Rocksteady made excellent games just like OG Saints Row from Volition Studios.
Then Rocksteady made an awful game just like Volition Studios did with Saints Row 2022 and Agents of Mayhem.
Sweet Baby had their fingers in both pies. It should be easy to spot the problem at this point.
sweet baby inc ruined the game actually, thats why the co founders of rocksteady both left and started a new company called hundredstar games, if you are writer, or youre good at scripting games, or youre a voice actor etc and you live in UK you should definitely join the company.
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@@thegreatacolyt1277 "Get back here Shocker" reference?
YOU CAN'T ESCAPE MEEEEE
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They will probably learn nothing from it, just like Sony won't learn from Madame Web lol
Yeah that seems to be a common occurrence.
Was there something to learn from Madame Web. It is bad sure, but there scattershot approuch where they shot quick and just slop the film put there has made them a lot more then it has lost them (look at venom for exanple and how quickly that was turned around and how much it made despite its quality). The only argiment is they cpuld make more which is fair and a films like morbius didnt flop due to a lack of interest. It flopped because despite a more then big enough opening for a film with its budget it collapsed after ots opening in a manner that is rarely if ever seen as essentially no one was recommending it or going to see it again. But even with that the films they have made that make bank more then make up for the misfires they have had so far.
This Game feels like it was made by people who's only goal was insulting & pissing off the fans
& IT SHOWS
It’s almost like this is something literally nobody wanted
I've seen people saying "nobody wanted Arkham Asylum and look how it turned out" as a mean to defend this game.
@@Cida_hanalthey’re not wrong tho
@@ThatOneNerd2 yes and no. Nobody specificallly asked for a Batman game set in Arkham, sure, but people were asking for a good Batman game for years, it just happened to have Arkham as it's main setting.
Their inability to figure out why a bunch of players cannot even boot up the game without it freezing at the “Signing into WB Services” screen (myself included), let alone fix it, after several weeks, is infuriating
Yeah people going after the voice actors are braindead.
Everytime a live-service game fails, an angel gets its wings.
"people don't like these characters"- please, let Harley Quinn disappear forever. She has become insufferable
Maybe not forever, but I think dc has overestimated her staying power
She's been oof since 2011. Put her back with Joker, make her a proper villain again
I know it might be lame, but a Nightwing game in Bloddhaven is what I'd love personally
That doesn’t sound lame at all! I think that’s an amazing idea!
A nightwing game would be dope or a teen titans game
I wouldn’t be opposed to that at all.
Lame? It'd be awesome if anything. Dick deserves his own game. He's been long overdue for some time in the spotlight, and his story could also go different places from Batman's norm since he's also tied to the Titans.
@@ljanki7658 I'd love a Teen Titans Beat' Em Up game made by the folks that brought us TMNT: Shredder's Revenge.
They did this to themselves , they wanted to follow a silly looter shooter , live service trend instead of continuing on what they were great at.
Big corporations have a weird obsession, giving out content no one wants or ever asked for! Batman first appeared 1939, if fans WANT Batman THEN GIVE THEM BATMAN!
They want us to want the games that makes them money
Both marvel and DC have now massively failed at live service games. Do you think they learned their lesson?
Nope
Maybe they’ll make something we actually want now
They'll probably just blame us and make nothing for 7 years again.
Rather than looking at their mistakes and finding a way to fix them, they'll just blame everyone else and say we're the problem and that no one wants batman games anymore.
I doubt they will listen at all. They still seem to not listen to how popular Hogwarts Legacy was and that was their own success lol
No they'll probably fire 90% of rocksteady and increase ceo salary
@@bluevolt2014 You're actually probably right
People also don't want to kill the JL aside from maybe the small people who did. There's also politics injected into it. Plus the lore is inaccurate. Lantern rings float away to find a worthy bearer. So not only was the writing mean spirited but also the inaccuracies.
Spider-Man 2 had political injections, this game had political fistings.
@@ezzahhh true you aren't wrong. It was way more intense in suicide squad
@@inshal6420 perhaps but we'll have to see.
Going to be honest, how can video game companies that are supposed to be good at doing business not pay attention to the actual reason people are not buying their games, if it’s successful fine ignore the complaints if you desire but if it’s a failure wouldn’t you want the real reason it failed instead of making one up for like ego or whatever
I ask the same question. It seems like there are more powerful leftist corporations that think sending a message and pushing certain agendas are the most important thing right now. They don’t mind taking the financial hit or shutting down publishers because they already have so much money and own everything. The only goal is to slowly spread the “progressive” message. You can tell because they continue to do it despite terrible sales time after time across several forms of media. We can only try to vote with our wallets and hope companies eventually get the message, stop getting political, and start making good content again.
The thing is they took 9 years to make a game no one wanted. Plus this game feels very hateful. There’s nothing wrong with the justices league dying he’ll even Batman (it’s not what I want) but it’s the way it’s done it feels dirty & disrespect & I can’t believe they really thought people would like this. W vid Jay
The hateful aspects of this game are really visible in heroes deaths. They want this fun underdog team vibe like in guardians of the galaxy. But hard to make me feel like that when we just gunned down someone like the flash, who’s one of my childhood icons. The death of one of comics biggest heroes is used as a Segway in to a penis joke. Bizarrely written
I really hate people who send death threats to actors, script writers, directors, editors, and animators....how does anyone justify that?
They are sick individuals who think that violence force and the threat of such things is how to get their way.
@@DegenerateJay I've seen people defend death threats saying they have the "rights" to do it. I even read some that consider it as valid criticism.
@DegenerateJay oh and furthermore how the heck can they justify insulting a dead actors mental health? Shame
@conathlnzo8126 that's not even criticism, also they have the rights to send death threats? This is why sometimes I hate freedom of speech because it just leads to idiots like them to do stupid things like that
They think as long as they aren't willing to act on it, it shouldn't be taken seriously. Except, who can read their minds? Plus, what gamer hasn't received a death threat in their life?
holy right now 3 hour after this video got post, Gotham Knights has more players that SS, if that is not a failure nothing is
This whole situation was just a letdown. The game could have been really fun, but instead its just a slap in the face to the same people who enjoyed and supported all of their previous projects. I don't even need Batman back, but I don't really want a game like this. If I want this kind of game I can play Fortnite and it's actually fun and free.
I wish nothing but bad upon this game, WB need to learn their lesson here that this is not what fans want
The problem is they won't learn. They'll probably just lay people off from the WB Games divisions like Rocksteady then blame people like us and be mad. Then they'll make nothing for years again lol
It’s been 9 years since Arkham Knight and this is what we got. Let’s think about that. And even if you think this is better or a worthy successor keep in mind Arkham City to Arkham Knight had less than half of that. Even if you think Knight is worse look at all the improvements and how it evolved the story. Some let downs yes but overall I don’t think it’s controversial to say that it was a worthy successor.
More embarrasing. This game took roughly as long to make as there entire arkham trillogy. Like. Just how?
I just thought it was a little naive of Warner to think that Suicide Squad would make the same money as Hogwarts Legacy. After this flop, the sequel of Hogwarts Legacy could probably come out sooner.
Yeah all these years later since it was announced and I still don't understand how this game got past the pitching phase.
They should have done the grounded heroes like Green Arrow and Wild Cat first and then carefully move to more and more powerful heroes like Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter.
Im afraid Rocksteady will soon get the axe..such a shame
The people who made rocksteady rocksteady have already left, now its just rocksteady by name
The founders of rocksteady left and others did too
Same case with Blizzard. Both are just zombie companies nowadays
the founders of rocksteady left along with some of the old employees aswell to create an AAA company called HundredStar Games because OBVIOUSLY sweet baby inc took over their company and ruined their project by making it a non AAA game which fucking sucks even more to me than im sure it does to the founders
@seynpurrp5667 it's AAAA now lol ask ubisoft
This game would have been so much better if the game was arkham batman vs evil justice league or not put it in the arkham universe
Tbh even if it was SIMILAR and you teamed up with Batman as the Squad to actually save the JL instead of ending them, it would have been a lot better. Idk why we have to just randomly end our heroes or clones of them. It's so edgy lol.
If the game was its own entity and non-cannon it would've been infinitely better. Because then no one would really have to care about it or emotionally invest into it. WB's big mistake with this game was attempting to attach this thing to the Arkham-verse, however. They underestimated how beloved those games were, even with people being annoyed by Arkham Knight's story.
I mean none of this would fix the writting issues present. It is incomprehensible being connected to arkkam but even on its own it is not consistent or at all well writting. The whole story needed to be scrapped and started over with real mission design added in for the campaign missions.
theres probably an unspoken reason why Rocksteady’s co-founders left before this release. When corporate bean counters force an artist to turn their vision into only a cash cow this is what happens.
I fully expect WB to pull the plug on this game before they even get to the next season of the game where they were allegedly going to bring the Justice League back through cloning or whatever.
The one good thing about this game is it made me replay Arkham Knight
A lot of voice actors don't actually get the whole script or even know what piece of media they're voicing for. Also, Kevin Conroy could absolutely have stood by the writing decisions of this game, but that still doesn't mean the writing was good. People don't disagree with the writing for The Last Jedi just because Mark Hamil doesn't like it, people don't like The Last Jedi because it was genuinely badly written. My point: it doesn't matter if Kevin Conroy liked the story of this game. People should form their own opinion without bringing up what someone else could have said or could have thought.
The other thing is you can’t always take what they say as gospel because even Mark Hamil walked back a lot of his comments and even at his most critical he was pretty polite ….because in public
What they really think behind closed doors is probably very different
I feel like the people who like this game are more fans of basic online looter shooters than they are if the Arkham franchise.
"Well look at that another live service failure just like Avengers and GKs I'm shocked oh wait no I'm not"
The moment WB stops treating people as paypigs and instead treat them as gamers, moviegoers, etc. will be the day that they start seeing success.
The sad truth is that even though Hogwarts Legacy was the best selling game of 2023, it probably made a fraction to live service games like Fortnite, COD, etc. This isn't the end of WB and live service trust me, I hope I'm wrong tbh, but Warner bros. doesn't seem the learning type.
@@inshal6420The issue isnt live service. They can be good. The issue is adding it to game ideas where it doesnt fit and having studios thay specialize in sp games make live service mp games.
Hopefully a good Superman game will come out of this. I'll even take an Injustice 3 at this point.
I still welcome a third injustice game, even if it hurts due to Conroy's permanent absence.
i dont want another fighting game, no ty.
I actually want a good Green Lantern game. With all of this ‘No Man’s Sky’ flying off planet stuff would be an awesome starting point for a GL game.
I think that should be a mass effect style rpg
For me this game was doomed since they destroyed canon to fit their writing, a good writing team would have been able to follow estabished lore and if they had trouble it was as easy as to make it some other universe.
What a disappointment to the Arkham franchise
Honestly not surprised this game failed. Modern live service games are the new toys-to-life. One game was able to succed (Skylanders), then a bunch of copycats came in trying to get a piece of the pie, and then failed (Disney Infinity, Lego Dimensions, etc). Here, Fortnite, Destiny, and Overwatch suceceded. Then a bunch of copycats come along and try to take a bite from the genre. (Warzone, SSKTJL, etc)
Honestly personally for me I would’ve rather have had a Superman game because that game would’ve been really awesome and tons of fun but that’s just my opinion.
There's rumors that what ultimately became SSKTJL started life as a standalone Superman game before someone at WB pulled the plug on the project. Which if true would explain why this game has Supermans hometown of Metropolis as a sandbox and not say Central City or Bludhaven.
@@tommyfishhouse8050 from what I read apparently there was no rocksteady Superman game ever being made and apparently the plan was always a multiplayer game from the start but that’s just my opinion
I can't imagine being in sales at DC and having to find a way to convince people to buy this trash.
Absolutely agree with your point about how devs are handling criticism publicly. I mean, you’d think people who work with tech as often as they do and have to be so solid at taking into account the public eye would be more concerned about how permanent what you say on the internet truly is.
Just because someone works in tech doesn't mean they actually understand the consequences of their actions.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 Fair
People are insane. He had very few opportunities left to play the character and fans WANTED him to play the character. He isn't responsible for the writing or directing choices. His job is to deliver lines. Even if he absolutely HATED the direction and he likely knew that fans wouldn't be thrilled, why would he stay home and stare at the walls rather than work on this game? At the end of the day, it was a job. The man had family who could use the money, bills to pay and time to fill.
It is astonishing to me that anyone but literal children could think he was going to stay home, or had to be tricked into doing it.
I'd imagine their post launch content will be cut short with this game being a failure.
Probably they'd finish their season 1, but I'd say they'll wrap it up soon after that, really prematurely compared to their original plans.
But, I'm not really surprised and not complaining lol.
Nobody wanted this game to begin with, and it was evident with people voting with their wallets.
Shame they couldn't give us a game that we wanted, like a Superman game or a Justice League game.
The fact that WB legitimately said "It's So Over, Bros" is somewhat admirable. And considering another high profile game franchise of theirs (Mortal Kombat) is also losing all sorts of steam, we might get to hear them admit this again.
Hopefully this will teach them that selling expensive unfinished & mean spirited games isn't what people want. But like you said, they'll most likely learn the wrong lesson from this.
5:28 Also this joke would've been better if you said Jared instead of Jerry.
According to some very reliable mk leakers. WB are pleased with MK and making plans beyond the second Kombat pack…..so at least in their eyes MK seems to be a success
@@billmcdermott9647 the game is losing players on a almost daily basis due to the game having a myriad of problems, so I'm honestly not sure how well that additional content will do, but I guess only time will tell.
Yeah we will have to see but since this leaker has been right on everything going back to mk11 I tend to believe him when he says they are happy @@Ladies_mAn_217
It’s hard to say because it’s been out for a while and not claimed it’s a failure while suicide squad they seem to be outright expressing failure ….so they must be considering it some form of success @@Ladies_mAn_217
Sweet Baby Inc doesn't care about the characters
The only people who should be shamed about this game are WB execs and all of the brain dead writers.
i do some research about this game, it's developed by Rocksteady studios, how on earth they went from creating a masterpiece like Arkham Knight, Arkham City to this garbage???? mind blowing. What happen inside Rocksteady?? did they fired all the original devs?? and replace them with Woke/feminist devs? this is total job and insult to Arkham Knight.
>you just want another batman game.
I mean, is that supposed to be a bad thing? 😂
Well done boys. We completed the mission
I tried to play this game and give it a chance but in my opinion even the combat is just dull and boring. I couldn’t make it past like 3 hours because I was just bored.
I mean people say it's cuz they pissed off fans.
But TLOU2 was still somehow a success despite the story being handled even worse
I think a lot of people really underestimate how much Kevin Conroy loved voicing this character. His performance is the only redeeming factor of some pretty terrible shows and movies set around Batman. He's lent his voice to stuff that turned out badly before, and he still took those parts because he was passionate about voicing this character. That being said, with a lot of stuff, the voice actors don't usually see the totality of the work, so there was probably some stuff that the game decided to do with this character that he didn't know about.
Narratively this game is so far removed from what I wanted as a continuation to Arkham Knight..I have no desire to own nor play this game..
death threats is unnecessary, no need too knock the devs they’ll see the damage in their bank account
I love how to them it’s “fallen short of expectations” but to the entire gaming community it’s performing EXACTLY up to expectations. Lmao
I don't know if it's just me but i'm really tired of the Suicide Squad IP, it's been overused, i didn't like either live action movies, i only enjoyed Hell to Pay and this game really just gave me more Suicide Squad fatigue
WB has been trying to turn it into the punk alternative to superhero teams. They've hadixed success to say the least
The decision to release the game in its current state with bad-taste plots, jeopardizing the future of its roadmap, may result in Kevin's pre-recorded lines never being used and the true ending parts of the game never being produced or playable, it’s a crime😢
Here's hoping Monolith's Wonder Woman remains on track!
If there’s one thing I like about these games failing is that It doesn’t matter how Iconic or recognisable the IP is, It will fail if it’s dog shit and people won’t Like it, sadly that lesion hasn’t been learned by the big corpos yet and probably never will.
It feels like the devs made an intresting roof top combat game and WB was like we hace an idea
I heard from other RUclipsrs, that the rocksteady team behind this game isn’t mostly the old rocksteady. Whether it’s factual, it sucks to see the perception of their studio diminished.
They saw and heard the hype these past few years as we thought this was a Superman game, WB really F’d up. F WB
If this game's characters actually played like their comic book counterparts as opposed to identical looter shooter characters. The game would have done a lot better.
Imagine if Marvel made Thor go around shooting enemies with a machine gun!!! It's simply asinine.
The bad writing is just a cherry on top of this live service pile of crap.
I knew this game would be horrible the moment I heard its premise in DC Fandome. I'm an Arkham series fan so I didn't like how they disgracefully killed Batman. They should have made his death emotional for Harley given their long history together. For example, Clementine killing Lee in The Walking Dead Telltale game. Now I wish they'd made this game non canon to the Arkhamverse. They can't make Arkham games for Superman, Wonder Woman or the others now that they're dead.🤦🏽♂
I’m honestly worried this will cause Rocksteady to go under
I don't wanna pay 70 Euros for a unfinished game you can't play when you buy it, you pay for buying and more paying microtransactions for upgrade, this game is about how much you pay after buy it,
This is the best video ive seen regarding this whole situation. Great job man
I agree with you. We want to be creative with other main DC characters, because we love the creative and of world it self.
Three word hat killed this game: Swee Baby Inc
Crazy how they only got involved after the game was basically finished then......
@@willbaker6532 and whatever thet added killed it. Anything that sweet baby touch rather unfinished or finished dies.
@@tothewin5388 they added party banter and audio logs and some cutscene dialogues. We're those the things that ruined the game?
@@willbaker6532 yup, aside from rocksteady poor writing, as soon as the majority of people find out that sweet baby inc was involved, they basically stayed away from the game.
WB:WHAT?!
Fans:Yup figures
This is my shocked face, I swear. Like I said: enough with the "games as a service" garbage. Complete, clean (as in not broken and all glitches patched pre-release) games on release, PLEASE!. That's not asking for much and honestly should be a common sense type of no-brainer by all gaming companies at this point.
It's no coincidence that peaks of gaming sales happened in previous gens of gaming consoles across the board compared to now with the rise of this games as service crap.
I do like that you’ve been playing it, really giving it a chance, well done sir
im like 98% sure that kevin did those lines but the original game wasnt going to kill him off so my theory is that sweet baby inc cut out the other voice lines of kevin conroys performance and to this day they probably still have the rest of his voice lines somewhere in their company files.
Jay can u also make a video about the batman beyond animated movie pitch from the spiderverse writers?
I would like to very soon! Thank you for the suggestion :)
I almost completely agree with you, except I still think it's wiser to remember that Kevin Conroy, while an amazing human being, was still a human being and not an infallible god. I would never attack the guy, but I do think it's a mistake to act like he couldn't make mistakes or choose projects that didn't put Batman in the best light. It would be entirely understandable if the dude made some bad choices.
The blame, though, is on the people who made this trainwreck. I guess corporate wanted their live-action whale-bait, and multiverses and Fortnite are in!, so...let's just do what everyone else is doing and make as much money as possible for the least amount of effort (or to be more fair, effort put into all the wrong places), and who cares how well any of that fits into the world that Rocksteady had lovingly built or the effects it has on it, even retroactively. I still have plenty of criticism to go around for Arkham Knight, but for all its problems, at the end of the day that game was still incredibly fun, detailed, and well-made. My soul still calls me back to that game at least once a year regardless of the laundry list of issues I have with it.
I can't defend this thing AT ALL, and I don't even want to because *_everything_* I can't stand about the gaming industry in 2024 is on display here. And you're absolutely right that they always seem to come away having learned the wrong lessons. Blaming fans for design choices _they_ made is peak self-destructive arrogance, and worse right now because this is hardly the first time fans have had to deal with it over the past decade.
I didn't want this game, but since we got it I was hoping it least be good or fun.
At one point in my life I had wanted to help make video games…now I couldn’t be happier that I didn’t follow through.
The game industry is now so full of bull crap: micro transactions, overpriced ‘dlc’, sad and pathetic ’remakes’…(GTA, Warcraft, and Battlefront come to mind)…nothing is sacred anymore. MoDeRn GaMiNg….christ what a joke.
They should have made a single player game about literally any other character or group
Jay even if they revive the justice league it doesn't matter because they disrespected the goat Arkham batman my favourite version of my favourite superhero the damage is already done
the best way to tell Rocksteady how this game is, is not to buy the game if you think it's not good. I haven't bought it for the simple fact that I don't like the "only online" games like this. I bought the Arkham Knight game and it was great, but when I heard about this game then heard about all the issues with the game, it was not a sell for me...
good on you for giving the game time and a chance sadly it did not exceed
This game is proof that more need to be made. WB...
In my opinion they should use the story from the Mobile game DC heroes and villans and make a AAA game inspired by that. There would be a lot of characters they could add with DLC.
ESG baby…
For same people it would mean go back to single player games...but for wb it means make all games live service
I mean having the takeaway of we don’t like these characters isn’t that bad. I can speak for many that we are tired of seeing the suicide Squad. Dc has been trying to shove this group down our throat since the success of guardians from marvel and no one wants it.
it was a AAA game that wasnt an exclusive or famous series so in no way was it going to be successful when well established series are failing atm
Rage bait only works on the twitter mob on twitter. Nowhere else in the universe.
They should just let Harley Quinn die for like a couple of years, man am sick of them trying to pass her up as some kind of anti hero, not all villains should be redeemed
Money is the only thing a lot of video game developers care about. If you gave a bunch of fans enough time they could probably do a great mod to make this game so much better.
@@inshal6420 Yeah but it's a shame that not even they realize from the experience that other live service games and how they failed.
@@inshal6420 I apologize I should have said publishers instead.
It's a very good-looking game, so kudos to the artists, designers, and animators. Just a shame the writers chose 'wacky and clownish' over something more thoughtful. All that talent could have been marshalled into a dark single-player. Alas.
Hey Jay, was wondering if you would ever do another video with the guy you use to do the Arkham games with? Was just super fun to hear your back and forth. Also that’s not a statement about your content without him, I am a long time follower and love your content, just think that’d be sweet to have another team up vid .
He did 2 recently. One was about Prometheus and one was about the Batmobile in Arkham Asylum. T was back for those. Apparently he does a lot of hours now at his other job so it's hard for them to line it up Jay said.
@@joeycondomony8098 oh sweet thanks man I’ll check those out! I guess my those didn’t make it in my RUclips feed
@@Darrinwilliamsmedia RUclips is very frustrating with this channel. I love Jays stuff and the variety he does but RUclips decides to just send out nothing. Idk why lol. Hope you like those videos I thought they were fun.
@@joeycondomony8098 already listened and loved them, thanks again for the heads up !