2020 Ford Focus ST review - better than a Megane RS? | What Car?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Join us in France for our 2020 Ford Focus ST review. In this video, we'll tell you how Ford's new Focus ST hot hatch squares up against the competition, including the Renault Megane RS and Honda Civic Type R.
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Would you choose the new Focus ST? Or would you rather have a Hyundai i30N, Honda Civic Type R or Renault Megane RS? Let us know!
Great video, thank you.
I30n - no. Drove one for a weekend. Interior is so cheap and nasty, ride quality for everyday usage is too bouncy even in the softest setting, lots of road noise, suffers from far too much axle tramp, and the engine is only ok, it's an ancient unit. Good first attempt from Hyundai, and it's fun for a thrash, but not to live with everyday.
Civic - awesome car, but only 4 seats and halfords boy racer looks, so no.
Megane R.S Trophy - most fun I've had on a test drive, for a back road thrash it's such fun. But, that suspension, way way to hard to live with everyday, and the 1.8 unit does suffer from noticeable lag.
Sport chassis Megane gets no LSD, and the engine feels lacking. Huge miss from Renault not including adjustable dampers.
Please include road driving in your group test, because lets not forget, the majority of these cars won't see a track, and they'll be used for going to work, dropping kids, and occasional bumpy b road thrashes. In other words, the laptimes are irrelevant, the everyday usability and fun are what count.
Focus ST, cause its the best allrounder, its fun to drive but if you want to drive on racetracks i think the Type R is the best opinion (i dont like the design)
What Car? Megane rs trophy 300
Hyundai i30N
Stage 1 golf gti
Car testers always so casually dismiss the interior quality on this car, crying about plastic bits, while in reality everything that is hardplastic in the focus also is hardplastic in any of it's competitors.
Interior quality is pretty impressive for the segment in fact, you got leatherette covered doors, leatherette covered knee bolstering on the transmission tunnel, an amazing heated steering wheel, felted door pockets and cubby spaces and a leather armrest.
An i30N has a completely hardplastic door panel and a nasty hardplastic handbrake, the golf is similar to the focus, but lacks the knee bolstering.
Good review: informative without being too technical. I have a 2017 ST and last week I had a test drive in the new model. I was impressed by new features such as rev matching and thought it sounded good from the outside as well as in the driver's seat (which still gets engine noise channelled through in a possibly misleading way). Although disappointed by the lack of all-leather seats (I like my creature comforts), I don't mind the loss of the gauges; I'm always too busy keeping the car on the road to look at them. Overall, a really good package.
Great review. Probably the best Focus ST review i've seen. I have had 5 previous model Focus ST's and have loved every one. However i do think that the new Focus ST's price tag is still a bit too high. Granted it has more kit but its never going to hold its value like an RS. It needs to shed a few £'s before i'd take the plunge.
I don't think comparing the ST to the Type R is that helpful. The Type R is Hondas most extreme hatch, but the ST is not Ford's, that's clearly the RS. The ST is for people who want a quick sporty hatch but don't want anything too extreme in terms of styling or performance. A better comparison is the Hyundai i30 N.
yet i30 is cheaper than ford and maybe even better in performance and interior and other stuff , to be honest best deal in my opinion is or maybe was ford focus ST line 150hp , not so diffrent than 180hp , cheaper and great car overall ,i really enjoy driving it every day in my blue papa smurf car :D
@@ReeI3oK Yeah, the Hyundai may beat the Ford, particularly as its cheaper, depends on how that stacks up the the STs equipment. I just think the two cars are more comparible. What car has 180bhp?
To be fair, by looking at the specs, I think comparing the Type R to the ST is still more fair than the RS. The RS will most likely compete with the A45 and RS3 which are different beasts altogether. The Type R's numbers - price, HP and 0-60 are closer to the ST. But the things that are less obvious like handling and feel should be a league above the ST.
@@seanamor I own 150hp st line , almost same numbers as 180 but less fuel consuption so for me it's better , drives crazy good in corners and brings alot of fun , and people look at it alot :)
@@ReeI3oK Yeah, but when you say 180 bhp I don't know what car you're referring/comparing to. None of the cars mention has 180bhp.
Lovely car! Good video, much prefer the Focus styling than the current fiesta
Thanks Ted! Glad you enjoyed.
Great car. Magnificent scenery. How do arrange for the road to be empty?
Excellent video.
Haha i love that you called out the Civic for having a trash infotainment system. Not many journalists have the balls to do that.
Yes the Civic and the Megane have the absolute worse infosystems on the market.
That has been one of the biggest things I have seen in almost every review about the Type r. Slow/laggy, terrible touch button with no haptic, replacement physical buttons that were not any better, not very intuitive. Honestly for a Type R civic it is pretty high tech on the inside instead of the old Honda weight saving, NVH levels of a track vehicle, simple interior designs of it's brothers.
I have one and can honestly say it is a tad slow occasionally depending on what you're trying to do (loading maps etc) but definitely not bad enough to hinder everyday life! Plus none of the reviews to date mention you can change the facia/skin of the infotainment from the admittedly dated red look to a more tablet/ipad esque look. If incould upload a pic i would.
Why do I see this being compared to the Type-R so frequently? They're not in the same class and don't have the same goal.
The Type-R is a hyper hatch which is meant to perform on a track. The ST is being a fun normal hot hatch that's very easy to daily drive. The ST is also much cheaper, that list price is not realistic (it's a Ford, heavy discounts is just how they work) and as a result we already have German dealerships taking ST orders starting with 26k EUR when it should have started from something like 34k EUR.
"Hyper hatch" gtfo 🤣
Very sad that this is not a choice here in the US now as this would be my top pick if it was available. VW Golf GTI would be at the top of my list along with the Mazda3 with the N/A 2.5L in hatch form as the Type R is another $10k on top of these choices. I enjoyed the beautiful roadway and great job on the review!
Yes, I agree with you 100%, this is the car I would buy next in the U.S. Let's all do our part to contact Ford Customer Service and tell them they need to bring the Focus back to America - if we all them them the same thing, they'll wake up and listen to their customers!
I would like to know how it does against the I30N more than the Megane RS.
The 80s and early 90s were the best years for hot hatches, in that you could use ALL of their performance much of the time. All cars are much more powerful now but the roads are worse in every possible way. I am old and I can remember vividly even XR2s as being a bit special. 96 bhp in 870 kg could bounce around all day. My partner, with a Golf GTI performance (only 245 PS), is stuck in traffic every day. At least my 110 bhp 2.7 tonne camper can use all of its power..... even in towns.
Thanks so lot!
Why have Ford gone for a torque converter (fluid coupling) slushbox auto instead of a dual clutch system which seems the more common choice currently?
Looks like the last generation pre facelift. Can’t wait for the facelift of this gen now
Please call or write Ford Customer Service. Tell them we want the new generation Fiesta ST and/or Focus ST in the U.S./Canadian market. If all their customers are telling them, they'll listen and bring us BACK these hot hatches. Thank you for your support in this petition effort!
you can pick up a I30n brand new for £25/26k
they keep going on about these cars being everyday cars but the prices are getting way to high
Does anyone know if this has the same seats as the Fiesta ST please? I ask because I have them and they are looking baggy already and I have less than 4000 miles on it.
Zane I’m trading my Fiesta ST in due to the numerous build quality issues. I’ve had 2 new seats both have gone baggy again. I’m collecting the Focus ST next week and yes the seats are the same, so wish me luck! 😳😩🤦🏼♂️
Nice presentation
I agree. Much better than that bent Auto Express reviewer.
I was the happy owner of a 2007 Focus ST, same color. Great car indeed! You said in the video that an automatic version of the 2.3 petrol will be available in August. Are you sure about that? I have asked the week before two Ford dealers when the auto version will be available and they didn’t have a clue. Do you know if it’s going to be a dual clutch? And to answer to your question, I would choose the ST. Type R is as ugly as it can be and definitely less practical. Unless someone can afford having it just for the fun of driving it in circuits!
@jim papajim -- my dealer said Aug/Sept for auto on petrol only and its not dual clutch, same 8 speed auto in regular Focus, but tweaked for ST as they understand it.
electric orange is not the same color as this, this one is not even a true metallic but rather flat, yours was few levels better
@@jaromor8808 this is definitely a metallic color, you can see the metal bits from up close.
So are they saying this is better than the focus rs mk3 ? Or more like the mk2 performance wise
I want to know if this is better driving than the i30 N
Oh my goodness, is this about the focus st or the civic type r!??
These are 2 different cars, one can't compare them like this. The focus is responsible grown up young at heart, the civic is an awesome little boy with lots of energy
Plus that their intended use cases are completely different. This is meant to be an easy sporty daily driver while the Type-R is track focused first and foremost, it still manages to be a good daily but it's not its primary focus.
There's also a big 45HP difference between the two which might not affect 0-100 time since they're FWD but definitely affects track performance.
@@xIcarus227
The Type R is heavier though. And torque is the same.
This comes with anti-lag, the Type R definitely doesn't.
I wouldn't be surprised if this gets close to what the Type R can do.
Montune st upgaded will be awesome. Could be around 320 hp?
No, it'll be 300 and it won't be warranty friendly, so only a fool will consider it.... or be willing to foot some serious bills for any engine problems that arise, be they because of the tune or not
@@mad4tar77 330bhp 380lbft its a monster
you build a shed or a house, you do not "build speed" most annoying youngism, you ACCELERATE, yes, its an old untrendy word !
What is the difference between the air con and I don’t know what it’s called but I am calling it the fan system in the car all I know is the fan system in the car allows the same type of air even on a hot day that is coming in the car even when you select the cold position
Air con takes outside air in and cools it down further with the help of refrigeration gases, condensers and compressors. The cold setting on the fan will only blow into the car what the outside temperature is. So on a hot day the cold setting will still be warm at least.
Best hothatch at the moment and best looking one, Hyundai i30 then this focus and the best this is that you can get them manual. The Civic..good car but ugly. But I even prefer the Veloster N to the i30 N.
Type R. It has an engine that pulls so hard to the red line, like a race car that it almost seems the red line is an inconvenient spoilsport.
Lol "racecar"
Something feels wierd here.
Last week i bought the Focus ST as an Estate AND i could add the performence pack. at 6:50 you state that i could not?
Whinzey I hope you did spec the performance pack then?
The New Focus ST looks great.
Megane RS but I am biased as my RS 265 is so much fun
It's slow
Thomas Hudson it’s all relative - much more to car than 0-60 time
@@malcolmscott4150
Even after 60 it's still lackluster. The new Focus ST matches it in 0-62 times but is even quicker than the mk3 Focus RS in-gear.
I think the Megane RS suffers from not having the torque like the new ST (and the Type R for example) has.
I believe there was a drag race already on Carwow with the Megane RS where it performed poorly.
The Focus ST is not in the same class as the Type R
Type R and Focus RS are in the same class.
It does make a lot of sense to put them against another,The ST has 280 hp and a Type 350 🤷♂️
This is a nice car for the money! But not in the league of the Type r ! But then you do have focus RS
Wonder if Ford is going to make a RS version of this car.
they usually do after about 2-3 years after ST release -- wouldn't expect it until 2021, normally towards the end of the Focus MK4 model run. But since the ST and RS won't be sold in US (Ford are nuts), they may want to capitalise more sales, so release it as quick as they can, now that the ST work is done.
🇮🇳 Indian Rupee Price ?
India want's this type of hatchbacks.
My fav hatchback 💓💓🎀
I’m confused. I thought Ford is discontinuing this model? But now they have the 2020 version in the market
That's the RS.
Koli06 they’re discontinuing the RS worldwide or just in the US? I read Ford’s statement that they’re no longer making Focus’s. I’m guessing this encompasses all the trims?
@@bigbossdeleon They only launched the ST mid-2019, and the new body shape a little earlier, so it would be strange to stop production of all Focuses. The RS is not currently on sale but there's talk of a replacement being launched in the next year or so; probably 4x4 again. Maybe it'll be available in the US too.
Koli06 then why did Ford put that up in their website? It’s really weird man. I’ve been trying to find 2019 Ford Focus here in the US but to no avail.
TheyCallMeRAVEN does that surprise u lol it’s ford and it’s looks like a Kia in the front and maybe a Chevy spark in the back lmfao
Why can’t we get the new ST in North America 😭😭
Brandon Crabtree ikr
Because Jim Hackett is a butthole
Because Ford is run by moron's.
Let's all do our part and contact Ford Customer Service. If we all tell them to bring us the Focus in America, they'll listen to their customers!
Because Ford America thinks you americans don´t want cars designed for "europeans". This is still Ford, they can build them in the US (no design or R&D fees involved) and sell them there without any issues, yet they don´t do it. Why?
Not coming to the NA?
nope, Ford stopped all car production in favour of SUV and Trucks only, so not ST or RS in US.
Let's all do our part to contact Ford Customer Service and tell them they NEED to bring the Focus back to America. If we all tell them the same thing, they'll have to listen to their customers
Ford should bring the Ford Focus ST hatchback to India 🇮🇳.
2020 Ford Focus ST hatchback luks damn sexy & dope 🔥💓💎
focus better coz the quality in every part of focus better than the french/but it is more expensive.meganes interior and build quailty terrible
Focus St just seems a bit more refined compared to a Type - R
As an understated every day sporty car, yes. It's better. In every other department, type r is superior.
I would rather have this than the Renault and definitely the ugly old Honda, good review.
FORD JUST GIVE US BACK THE FUSION AND FOCUS!!! This ST is already left hand drive!!!
Let's all do our part - Write or Call Ford Customer Relations and tell them their customers in America want to buy the new Focus ST - maybe we can convince them it's a profitable choice for them to bring it to the US
Dear FORD USA, PLEASE BRING US THIS NEW FOCUS ST IN NORTH AMERICA.
this cost around £58,000
When are these babies coming to South Africa
Blessing Fumani that’s what I wanna know as well
@@tuka5871 If they are not bringing a regular focus I doubt if we will ever see these on our roads.
what a joke no custom modes? no rev matching in normal mode
Looks nice but why does it have an audio enhanced engine sound? Stupid annoying and pointless trend.
Overall seems a good compromise between handling and real life useability but wouldn't tempt me out of a M140i though. Not even close TBH. Just sad that the RWD 6 cylinder BMW is now gone. I'd take old fashioned power over fancy electronics and fake carbon fibre every time. Hey ho.
Robert Marsh I totally agree about the engine superiority of BMW M140, but, man, it’s practically impossible to have 4 people in it!
In the interior the engine sounds like a diesel. Very disappointing.
that will be the inducted engine noise through the car speakers, been that way since MK3 ST facelift in late 2014,
Does it have a LSD ?
e-LSD.
i30n cheaper louder more track focused being designed by that bmw m guy! ive owned 3 ford focus sts/xr5 feels unrefined just go fast bits on a focus!
full equip @ I30N = 49000€ Focus ST = 46000€ as wagon
@@wantzit8447 i30n cheaper and better!
@@elmin2323 full equip i30N 49.000€ and focus ST wagon 46.000€ and better hahahaha trust me xD i30N = no chance
Kevin Menken that in your country
2.3 > 2.0
Paint it in a light blue and it looks like the Hyundai i30N
No wonder, considering how hard the i30N tried to look like the Focus RS.
Quit this bullshit whereby Hyundai is somehow original in their hatchback designs.
Also the focus RS looks like 2012 Elantra GT
@@popsandbangs8858 they literally nothing in common lmao. I think you're fanboying around.
S also i30N literally nothing in common .
😉that design is owned by Hyundai not new fords
Focus every time!
I don’t trust your opinion already when you’re talking about links to buy the car.
Ford Customer Relationship Center: 1-800-392-3673. It's time to bring this Focus ST to the States, Ford United States. It's time. Please pick up the phone and tell them to do it! It blows the competition out of the water for a fun, fast, daily driver that looks good too!
Looks like a Hyundai Elentra GT lol
It looks fugly and very similar to the i30N!
This guy doesn't really stay in the lane is he.
Focus is good but the Megane is better..
Megane rs trophy!
Bounce bounce bounce. Laughably bad suspension.
Carbon-fibre effect! Damn the vulgar fools.
Finally, a non-gay car reviewer.
Gotta be a Honda. That Ford will spend more time in the dealer unfortunately.
It's really time to put this myth to rest and stop spreading misinformation: www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer
European Fords are quite reliable, and in the event that they fuck up (like the batch of RSes with the wrong head gasket) they seem to replace everything pro-bono.
The comparison with a Type-R is out of place anyway, that's a hyper hatch while this is a hot hatch.
I had fords for 10 years with no problems at all. before going for a Golf GTi last year and had nothing but problems with it. Going back to ford again
@@shamong121 to be fair you were probably unlucky with that GTI. Which model year was it?
Gotta get some really dark shades if you get a Type R. My god that thing is FUGLY.
Looks so boring
im just going to say it. It looks boring.
Like ur face
Renault cars are garbage I don't understand how your comparing the focus to a megan