I love it when the person being interviewed is so enthusiastic and happy to share theyre knowledge with others. Thanks for the great interview this adds so much more to what ive learned of Shanidar cave what a wonderful place.
Oh, Doctor Pomeroy, thank you for your excitement, your enthusiasm, and your expertise in describing this episode and your part in these discoveries. I have been falling more and more in love with Evolution Soup, ever since I discovered it! I have been absorbed, watching the “Monster Bug Wars” programs. I’m sorry that it took me so long to move on from there! Thank you, once again, for allowing me the opportunity to thank you for all of your hard work!
A really fascinating episode and a great guest. There can sometimes be a perception that people who are in the field or doing analysis can be a bit wacky or introverted respectively. So many of your guests, in different fields, come across as very approachable and relatable. It was very interesting to hear that there is a bias towards Homo Sapiens having ceremonial behaviours or rituals whilst the Neandertals should not, within the Archaeological profession itself. It's surprising, and actually in a way humanising, to know that they have their own bias's that they need to challenge.
I don't get netflix so this was particularly interesting for me. The opportunity (well earned though I'm suret it was) o work somewhere like Shanidar cave must be so exciting. And the new discoveries! Amazing stuff. Going back to the older finds however one thing Im not sure of and would be interested to know is where Dr Pomeroy stands on the flower burial. I know its controversial.
There may have been some significant biological evolution among 'modern humans' between that earliest introgression to Europe and the later successful one, but I would put my money on cultural evolution being the Great Big Difference between that first introgression and the second successful introgression into Europe. "We tried, it didn't work too well, but later we came back with better tools and better ideas."
Just wondering if anyone knows if ground penetrating radar is ever used on sites like this? Or would bones, teeth and/or stone tools not show up using that kind of technology. Also I think I remember hearing on some RUclips university lecture series video that soil layers can now be examined for a variety of DNA evidence. But ever since then I haven’t heard anything else about it. Does anyone know if such technology is in fact possible and if it is being used to investigate the presence of different homo species (or other animals too I suppose) that may have inhabited or used such cave settings like this over time? Thanks to both the guest and host for this informative interview!
One small item from the commentary - zee is not North American, it’s how USA residents sat the letter ‘z’. In Canada we say ‘zed’. Please don’t confuse us as being all one country.
Shaneder cave is one of the caves indicates in North east mesopotamia, the Kurds nations lived in this area for thousands of years, so they are the ancestors of the Neanderthals . The Kurds people are unique and their heritage stand by own and they are not related to any of ethnicity. Their religious before Muslims invasion was zodesht, they taken by force to become Muslims. Unfortunately, The individual that you showed with the scientist which he wearing wight outfit is not Kurds and you just not want to show Kurds people in your reports. still you denying of existence of these people on their lands.
Emma’s excitement and enthusiasm makes me feel sad and nostalgic for my Biological Anthropology studies at Oxford with Geoffrey Harrison and company in the late 1980s. The exhilaration of seeing how all the different bits could be fitted together - or, at least be questioned together. It had just been arranged for me to do my dissertation study on Neanderthal skulls with Prof. Chris Stringer when the great storm came which cut transport between where we were and most of the rest of the UK.
The projection is sad and not very professional. Elephants bury their dead, so that behavior would not mean they were just like humans. Chimpanzees understand the concept of cooking although not the process. Neanderthals were cognitively different from humans having less abstract ability but greater visual memory.
Isn't the way to differentiate if 2 types of organisms that reproduce sexually belong to different species assessing if when they cross with each other they produce fertile offspring? Since there's evidence of both Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA in modern people, we should conclude that they were not different species but just a different group belonging to the same species
@@nataliajimenez1870 > if when they cross with each other they produce fertile offspring? No. Horses and donkeys sometimes produce fertile offspring. Female ligers and tigons are fertile. Grolars are fertile. Most fox, coyote, wolf, dog crosses are fertile as are bison cattle crosses. Neanderthals had a number of different characteristics indicating that they were not the same species as homo sapiens.
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As always, outstanding content! Love your interviews. As a layperson, I've learned a lot from your topics and insightful questions.
It closes the mouth 😮 thank you. I get all excited 😅. Thank you for all you do ❤😂🎉
I love it when the person being interviewed is so enthusiastic and happy to share theyre knowledge with others. Thanks for the great interview this adds so much more to what ive learned of Shanidar cave what a wonderful place.
There is no doubt much more to be found in this gigantic cave; hopefully we will have an update from Emma soon!
Thank you for bringing us such a gift to hear from world class scientists on absolutely fascinating topics in world prehistory!
Neanderthals are fascinating and part of who many of us are. Thanks for the good work Dr. Pomeroy. Another good Evolution soup episode. 👍👍
Oh, Doctor Pomeroy, thank you for your excitement, your enthusiasm, and your expertise in describing this episode and your part in these discoveries. I have been falling more and more in love with Evolution Soup, ever since I discovered it! I have been absorbed, watching the “Monster Bug Wars” programs. I’m sorry that it took me so long to move on from there! Thank you, once again, for allowing me the opportunity to thank you for all of your hard work!
Thank you both for a very interesting episode. Dr. Emma was a great guest.
Exactly the words I was looking for
Family’s out of the house, making dinner by myself. This is perfect!
I share what I learn here with my Undergrad music students.
A really fascinating episode and a great guest. There can sometimes be a perception that people who are in the field or doing analysis can be a bit wacky or introverted respectively. So many of your guests, in different fields, come across as very approachable and relatable. It was very interesting to hear that there is a bias towards Homo Sapiens having ceremonial behaviours or rituals whilst the Neandertals should not, within the Archaeological profession itself. It's surprising, and actually in a way humanising, to know that they have their own bias's that they need to challenge.
I don't get netflix so this was particularly interesting for me. The opportunity (well earned though I'm suret it was) o work somewhere like Shanidar cave must be so exciting. And the new discoveries! Amazing stuff. Going back to the older finds however one thing Im not sure of and would be interested to know is where Dr Pomeroy stands on the flower burial. I know its controversial.
saw the Netflix Documentary, Very interested in the drama surrounding burial sites. Congrats on getting dr. Pomeroy!
As a part Neanderthal, thank you for the interview (I have yet to watch the show)!
🎉😊 such a delight
This is great! I wonder why the bones were so soft?
There may have been some significant biological evolution among 'modern humans' between that earliest introgression to Europe and the later successful one, but I would put my money on cultural evolution being the Great Big Difference between that first introgression and the second successful introgression into Europe. "We tried, it didn't work too well, but later we came back with better tools and better ideas."
Very cool, "I just subbed".🏆
We mostly say “zed” in Canada.
OK, at 4:56 they show what I assume is Shanidar4, but I didn't hear anything about the cat that's in the illustration...
It's a funky modern photo about new age archeology
I want to be Dr. Pomeroy in my next life. Sadly in my country studying Anthropology / Archaeology was not a viable career option.
Loads of material to study in open access internet Coco! Enough for 100 lifetimes....
Did you genetically scan the soil?
Just wondering if anyone knows if ground penetrating radar is ever used on sites like this? Or would bones, teeth and/or stone tools not show up using that kind of technology. Also I think I remember hearing on some RUclips university lecture series video that soil layers can now be examined for a variety of DNA evidence. But ever since then I haven’t heard anything else about it. Does anyone know if such technology is in fact possible and if it is being used to investigate the presence of different homo species (or other animals too I suppose) that may have inhabited or used such cave settings like this over time? Thanks to both the guest and host for this informative interview!
How about dogs and Neanderthal extinction? When and how did we get dogs from Neanderthals creating a dangerously effective hunting team?
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One small item from the commentary - zee is not North American, it’s how USA residents sat the letter ‘z’. In Canada we say ‘zed’. Please don’t confuse us as being all one country.
Digging for water 💧, the tunnel collapsed 😮
Shanidar Z had chin?
Ta both.
That body position kind of looks like someone who just died on the spot. While sleeping perhaps...🙄
Shaneder cave is one of the caves indicates in North east mesopotamia, the Kurds nations lived in this area for thousands of years, so they are the ancestors of the Neanderthals . The Kurds people are unique and their heritage stand by own and they are not related to any of ethnicity. Their religious before Muslims invasion was zodesht, they taken by force to become Muslims. Unfortunately, The individual that you showed with the scientist which he wearing wight outfit is not Kurds and you just not want to show Kurds people in your reports. still you denying of existence of these people on their lands.
I'm sorry but is the thumbnail an ai image? It gives that vibe.
I think it is a sculpture...? Pretty interesting reconstruction of Shanadar Z though.
AI image.
Emma’s excitement and enthusiasm makes me feel sad and nostalgic for my Biological Anthropology studies at Oxford with Geoffrey Harrison and company in the late 1980s. The exhilaration of seeing how all the different bits could be fitted together - or, at least be questioned together. It had just been arranged for me to do my dissertation study on Neanderthal skulls with Prof. Chris Stringer when the great storm came which cut transport between where we were and most of the rest of the UK.
The projection is sad and not very professional. Elephants bury their dead, so that behavior would not mean they were just like humans. Chimpanzees understand the concept of cooking although not the process. Neanderthals were cognitively different from humans having less abstract ability but greater visual memory.
Isn't the way to differentiate if 2 types of organisms that reproduce sexually belong to different species assessing if when they cross with each other they produce fertile offspring? Since there's evidence of both Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA in modern people, we should conclude that they were not different species but just a different group belonging to the same species
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> if when they cross with each other they produce fertile offspring?
No. Horses and donkeys sometimes produce fertile offspring. Female ligers and tigons are fertile. Grolars are fertile. Most fox, coyote, wolf, dog crosses are fertile as are bison cattle crosses.
Neanderthals had a number of different characteristics indicating that they were not the same species as homo sapiens.