Lee Berger - New discoveries in human origins | Porto | GLEX ignition 2024
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- "Exploration isn't just about going where no one has gone before-it's also about being the first to understand the past"
Paleoanthropologist Lee Berger revealed details about the fascinating discovery in South Africa of remains belonging to a previously unknown species of pre-humans, dating back over two million years.
Numerous traces of this species were found in an underground chamber in Dinaledi, leading to the conclusion that it served as a burial site-a ritual previously thought to be exclusively human. Subsequent evidence of stone tools and even the use of fire were also discovered, indicating a species the size of a chimpanzee that predates the Neanderthals.
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My respect to the guys that went there for the first discovery. Pressing on through these passages not knowing what to meet next is impressive.
I know one of them
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My respect, also. I know it's not something I could even contemplate, going into such small spaces deep underground. What they found is incredible!
I'm pretty sure this was the "dig" where only small experienced cavers who were scientists went. They were all women.
@@jeanettemarkley7299 you are incorrect. It is best if you watched the entire video before commenting!!
One of the most monumental discoveries in human history.
I heard this story a couple of years ago, and it has not lost its ability to absolutely amaze the mind, and spark the imagination.
I have the utmost respect for the people who can explore these types of areas. I can only watch.
looked into michael tellinger? have a great day
BRAVO! "Man is the measure of all things" is a poetic philosophy and should not be the center of scientific thinking. You are right.
But it is an essential philosophical basis to scientific thinking, because it reminds us that our knowledge is limited by our senses and the structures of our thought. No knowing the thing in itself. Meaning we will ALWAYS be revising ALWAYS tentative knowledge.
I’ll say it “WOW”!!! Loved this , thanks so much.
I cried during this talk. It's unbelievable to what we as humans are capable of. It makes me happy knowing that there are people out there dedicating their lives to beeing explorers. I'm truly grateful for that 🙏🏼
I am breathless watching this video. Thank you for all the work you and your team did for us to have this information.
Fascinating. I have seen a documentary of his work on PBS. Thanks to GLEX for this presentation.
If he is on PBS that means that he is someone that we are allowed to listen to and believe. That means that those in power have approved his message. That means its all BS.
@@bunjijumper5345 Exactly! And the world is actually flat!
@@bunjijumper5345 Meanwhile, in the land of tinfoil hats...
@@paulford9120 just like it was crazy to think Biden would drop out, then he did. The people who believed it would happen were mocked by people like you.
@@bunjijumper5345 Any other paranoid statements you want to make? Or are you done for now?
As claustrofobic I especially admire those caveexplorers, including Lee Berger himself.
I am subscribed to a site with cave explorers that you should check out! As a fellow claustrophobic watching some of the things these guys do makes my heart just race and there are times that I actually have to look away from. But what amazes me most of all are the CAVES! I'm almost 3/4 of a century old now and I never had any idea there were SO MANY of these giant caves right here in the US! It's shocking!
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As a claustrophobic i have to watch other programs and avoid going to sleep untill its out of my head.
The markings could be the lines in the palm of the hand which would be each individual's identity.
Dude... that is a fantastic observation.
Wow! Yes. Could be!
Amazing exploration !
I think it's to evoke the lines that flowing water makes as it flows over a stone. It's symbolic water for the dead.
I've got a hunch that the imaginative play of the possibilities mentioned above would've appealed to any (H. Sapiens) Great Grand Cousin species who somehow or other managed to apprehend what the signs &/or symbols might show, mean, or be; &/or even if we somehow had or might've encountered each another -- tho only so long as both groups, we & they alike, were & remained -- 😏 unarmed ...
Simply amazing. Kudos to Lee and everyone involved. Legends! Thank you, GLEX, for organising another great event. Talks like that are top!
Bravo, Lee. My regret is I am too old to be more than a bystander but I can hardly wait to read your next chapters.
No sir, you are the right age, because you got to see it, at a time when you could understand how exceptional this discovery truly is. This changes the history books, and paints a beautiful picture of a competitive species that out lived everyone but us.
My admiration to you and your colleagues Mr. Berger. Amazing story and these people must have been similarly amazing. Well done.
Absolutely incredible. I love the fact that he went into this with an open mind.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence....Nailed it.
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Except he didn't nail it. All 11 of the peer reviews of his three 2023 papers about Rising Star cave tore him to shreds about not doing any due diligence on the claim and presenting zero evidence to back them up. A couple weeks ago the main person HE CITED in the burial paper wrote a response to him saying he failed on all these same accounts. This has been a PR stunt to take in money from his Netflix show and new autobiography.
Wonderful exploration. All such time and hard work adds to our understanding of evolution of our species. Those who come later will adjust any conclusions, as always ..
Please watchers of this video: do not forget that ALL 11 reviewers of the three preprints presenting this work have, all of them, considered this research to be non conclusive. The editor of the scientific journal himself very politely wrote about the so-called engravings: "As it stands, the study is incomplete, and the evidence presented does not support the claims about the anthropogenic nature, age, and author of the engravings." On the contrary, research about Blombos Cave and Gorham's Cave have been published and accepted by the scientific community. As for the so-called burial, the editor wrote: "the evidence for these claims is considered inadequate in the current version of the study. The four reviewers were in strong consensus that the methods, data, and analyses do not support the primary conclusions.". This archaeological site is amazing, the fossils are amazing, but the interpretations of burial and engrvaings are not currently supported by science.
hmmm....
I think it is time that we in archeology have a serious discussion about the basic assumptions of our science. All too often we see important sites excavated by sensationalist Americans who claim to be archaeologists but would at most be employed as assistants in Europe, sites thoroughly destroyed and conclusions that are childish at best.
so whats the next best step
Thank you! I could already sense something was off...
Interesting .
None conclusive .
He moves the science for a high level respecting his team, sharing all discoveries with other scientists. He is a great example to follow and admire!
There’s nothing to say except, WOW! This has gobsmacked my entire comprehension of evolution! And shown me how arrogant we humans are about our superiority as a species.
oh. My. GOD. I thought this was just Berger doing a recap on what they had found in Rising Sun so far, I didn't expect new info like the engravings in the cave! This is astounding! The tool buried with the child, too. The last new important news I had heard from them was the body they had found on the "shelf" in a nearby cave system. My jaw was on the FLOOR watching this!
most of his findings are wrong like the stone tool, the art is natural etc
Rising Starr
@@marting2003 Not quite "wrong" but contested.
The science world questions whether proof is sufficiently solid, that's how science works. So far, the story told in this clip, is not accepted over the board.
The team wil have to do a lot of work to find proof that the carvings are really man made, their age, that the tool really is man made, that graves were actually dug and bodies were actively placed in there.
@@marting2003 Not quite "wrong" but contested.
The science world questions whether proof is sufficiently solid, that's how science works. So far, the story told in this clip, is not accepted over the board.
The team wil have to do a lot of work to find proof that the carvings are really man made, their age, that the tool really is man made, that graves were actually dug and bodies were actively placed in there.
@@reuireuiop0When all 11 of your peer reviews say your paper is awful and that you've presented no evidence for your claims, your claims aren't "contested". They're wrong.
Not surprised at all 🤷♀️ it makes sense to anyone who thinks logically about human evolution in relation to all other evolved species. The joy of studying and thinking about this subject is satisfying without the need for public exposure and an audience.
Amazing presentation with clear evidence of intelligent non-humans in ancient history. He is at the cutting edge of Anthropology
ancient humans
Not according to most anthropologists. Evidence is lacking, but Berger is more interested in fame and fortune.
@@geoffwales8646 The paradigm is shifting and Berger is diamond. Evidence is lacking because you cannot see.
@@eomron5602 I believed Berger from the beginning. Then I saw what other paleoanthropologists had to say about 'the evidence', Berger's unsopported claims and his use of pre-print, rather than peer review..
@@geoffwales8646 I am not an educated lady having not received a higher education but I listen, read and research many topics. As a God-fearing woman, I always measure up what I research against God's word. This topic does open up so many questions if you take the first book of the Bible. In the beginning, was the word, and then I saw a massive gap between Genesis 1 and 2. Adam was the first human species according to God's word. I realise science can and is a religion but I enjoy having my mind opened up to all the many possibilities. After learning about Genesis 6 and the fallen Angels I realised that there are so many unanswered questions. One day soon I shall sit down with God and ask him where did he come from amongst so many other questions.
Dr. Berger is flawless when he speaks, like philosopher Joseph Campbell was, and a master at speaking about a subject in an unfolding way. It's like you're traveling with on a journey through time with a true hero to humanity, and his team too, as they all risked their very lives to reveal to the world such amazing elements to our origins and rewriting the books and unearthing and interpreting major pieces to the grand mystery of how we and other species came to be. Many times during his presentation I was finding myself somehow in tears. It's in my Bucket List to make it to their project and experience being there, but I suppose untold thousands want to do the same and understand they need their space. I hope some billionaire comes along like Elon Musk and donates, or Taylor Swift. Thanks Glex Summit for opening this window to the world!!
Wonderful and fascinating talk. Love the update on this amazing site.
Glad I clicked this video, much more interesting than I imagined.
Phenomenal. I should think 'nethernauts' preferred over the term you fancy, but your definition of what it means to be an explorer is profound.
Wisdom from the past ~ delivered and over due! Congratulations!!!🍾
I feel like there is so much to discover if we dig deeper than we normally do. This video is really amazing.
This is amazing. Just blew my mind.
Wonderful presentation of a difficult subject made personal and emotional. Thank you.
Astonishing some of the discoveries here that have connotations for human evolution, the wall art that reacts with fire, the engravings carried out by non-humans and the same carved design by neanderthals some 70,000yrs later, wow great job on excavating, great upload thanks.
You have OF?
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I congratulate Dr. Berger for his discoveries and for his words. I wished that all scientists would think like him about exploration.
Interesting talk, thanks so much!
Amazing! All of it! Thank you for everything you have & are contributing to our own modern s day era. I especially commend ur courage to turn what the "mainstream" consensus is on all things on its head... and then fling them out to space! 😂
I'm excited to see what else you will bring to light in the future. I will be following ur work from now on.
I congratulate you on your findings, Lee. Keep up ur important work!
Lee is such a rock star. Get in there boy
Awesome presentation.
The real quest for fire… this was incredible.
Oh man!
So awesome to see him here!
Saw his documentary and absolutely loved it!❤
Terrific presentation.
Thank you Dr. for your phenomenal observation skills and dedication to understanding. Very well explained to the lesser of us with these abilities.
Fantastic presentation
Hello
Very facinating discovery till date, hats off to your explorers
Absolutely fascinating! I think these discoveries are going to help us humans get a more realistic perspective of who we are, and lose the arrogance. And then when we realize we have no free will (Dr. Robert Sapolski) we could have a chance of having a better world.
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@@isabt4 afraid of taking responsibility for yourself?
It would be very interesting to know something about their DNA. Curious if they had 23 pairs of chromosomes (modern humans) or 24 (like all the rest of the primates and pre-homo sapiens)??? Around 200k-250k years ago when 'modern man' evolved, we suddenly lost a pair of chromosomes (all at the same time).
I’m adding my “WOW” to this or rather “WOWx10k” I loved this. The dedication of the academics doesn’t surprise me, it equals that of any Olympic athlete to achieve a result. I found this fascinating and inspiring- but to lose 25kg to fit through the tiny tunnels…. That’s real dedication to your craft! I once spent six weeks as a trainee archivist relabelling manuscripts and hand written books in a huge safe in an academic institution. I was so happy, one day I cried. I had to go outside as I was in danger of dropping tears on the valuable covers. I catalogued so many wonderful and weird things. My niche. Watching this made me happy. All those PhD students and others doing such amazing research, getting sweaty and grubby and loving it. Good on them. The only difference is that they are funding it themselves probably. No glory, no medals, no fans ( bar me). Makes you think eh?
You are easily fooled. Shame on you.
Fascinating. Congratulations to all on that team who went somewhere I could never go to expand our knowledge of our ancestors.
I would like to more about the geology of the cave, like where it may have started, since their path was hardly the real access points to the bones.
Really fascinating.
Fascinating. Thank you.
Very interesting and informative. These early hominids were barely past the chimpanzee stage yet practiced burial rituals, artistic efforts and built fires.
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This aligns with the Annunaki records.
What exactly, can you elaborate?
I honestly thought the same and wondered if they could be the igigi? (Not sure on the spelling of that). He says that they may not be human. Is that a clue that they have done DNA testing already but can’t release the results?
@@andreh.3118 the Anunnaki are described in the Sumerian clay tablets as beings from another planet/solar system. That setup a gold mining operation on earth. Enki, Enlil, and Ninurta are named as the powerful ones who ruled over earth. They used biotechnology to created modern humans. It's a plausible story for the origins of modern humans.
There is an older documentary about the site that I watched some time back that is WELL worth the watching! Shows so much more of the site and the bones in situ!
This was fascinating ...
Could it be that the wall art, fires etc were added later, say 30-60,000 years ago.
He said no evidence of other humans. I'm guessing radio carbon dating has been performed on the fire remnants and it matches the Naledi timeline.
Wow! I’m speechless. ❤
MAHOOSIVE Share of Work, Discoveries and mesmerizing all reevaluating Insights! LOVE!!8!!
Lee Berger. The Graham Hancock of archaeology.
Anthropology, but yeah.
Hancock is a phoney, he just wants you to buy his books. Had no evidence then acts like the god of science when questioned. This guy is the real deal.
I think it would be better to show the map of the cave and site where bodies were likely laid.
"I see wonderful things", springs to my mind. Far sooner a vault in the Middle-East, for the claustrophobic, but the treaures of the Star Cave system are of greater importance by far.
The art blew me away!
Words fail me, this is utterly amazing. I knew these creatures were sophisticated, but not to this extent - more papers to read!
A question I've been mulling over for some time - Are there actually two distinct parallel lineages of "post-australopithecines"?
One characterised by larger brains and bodies, adapted for walking and running. The other with smaller brains and bodies, adapted for walking and climbing. 'We' are an example of the former. Naledi, Floresiensis, maybe Luzonensis and Dmanisi, the latter. (I intentionally dropped 'Homo')
An interesting observation if my suspicion is real - This lineage of 'parallel humans' adapted for walking and climbing seem to have had more efficiently wired brains than our lineage. Every new discovery such as those illustrated in this video for the species I mention, shows remarkable 'sophistication' for creatures with an encephalisation quotient about the same as a chimp.
Another trait shared by my proposed parallel lineage compared to ours is their faces are proportionately larger compared to their heads than ours. That also makes perfect sense for a group adapted for walking and climbing when compared to 'our' walking and running lifestyle. A big face means big eyes, good for climbers. While a small face is good for a balanced head, good for runners.
More? How about 'us' having strait phalanges, less kinetic and shorter feet compared to limb length - good adaptions for running. While 'they' have curved phalanges, more kinetic, and longer feet compared to limb length - better for climbing
...usually such differences are attributed to 'primitive traits" in 'late surviving' groups - I would suggest these are 'sensible adaptations' in a parallel lineage to ours who were not 'late survivors' at all. If so, what a shame these 'alternate humans' didn't make in to the modern age! Here's hoping future discoveries highlight this group for what they were... assuming my wild speculation is on the money.
"Alternis hominibus", "Parallel homines"..?
This was a good lecture
That's crazy. How did they get fire down there? What were they eating? How worn are their teeth? Any DNA? Do they have scratches in their teeth from using them as a third arm? What was the organic material found?
Sadly all we heard about was the speaker ´´
This was an ancient burial place
@Alanoffer sadly we weren't listening very well before we decided WE had something to say...
The presentation was a master class; gripping, informative, inspiring. The site, what an amazing find and thrilling and ironic turn of events. Good luck for future adventures
19:30 Great talk, but also Google for Kimberly Foecker's critique of the the sedimentological evidence.
The existence of these species does not exclude the existence of other more advanced species cohabitating on Earth.
Absolutely Incredible!
The markings and fire signs are more remarkable (If that's even possible) than the fossil find. It goes without saying that modern human exeptionalism isn't as exeptional as we all thought.
WoW!! Well done ladies!!!!
Fantastic! Thanks lot from Lake Constance!
This guy is a critical thinker. He took another look at sites that had been overlooked.
thank you !!! brilliant EXPLORING
Thank U Sir ❤
Fascinating presentation. An entirely different creature who buries their dead.
I am gobsmacked! I've watched several documentaries on Homo Naledi, but you've brought our sibling species to life. Many of your 'colleagues' have such a death grip on yesterday's science they are excluding themselves from new knowledge. Inflexibility almost always ends up sad.
I have a question?! If it is that difficult to get in how would they have transported a dead limp body to these points ? Have you ever tried to move a dead limp body with rigor mortis not easy !
"a dead limp body with rigor mortis." Quality oxymoron!
@@moonmonkeyjuan no there's a reason it's called dead wait secondly rigor mortis only last so long before the bacteria starts liquifying the ligaments and bloating the body so all kinds of questions !!!!!
The earth would go through many geologic changes from that time to now. Perhaps it was not so treacherous and narrow back then. Look at how the younger drias changed things only 12,500 years ago.
@@debrapierce515 thought there might be a logical possibility good job !
How did the bodies get down in that cave, considering they had old people as well???
Is there a strong possibility that the access to the site has become smaller since remains were left there? I mean, there’s lots of time for boulders to have shifted etc.
Is there any information about the potential change in accessibility?
Amazing! Thank you.
Astounding! Awestruck. Congratulations! Best wishes.
Mind blown
Well done!!
Why didn’t they open up access?
Slowly and safely, but open it up to get access also checking that fossils ain’t in the removed material?
The greatest disadvantage any researcher or explorer has is their own ego. Yes, we humans, have achieved much. But just because we did does not mean no one else could not have. However, we must not allow our excitement to cause us to jump to conclusions. And lastly, I am not claustrophobic, but watching that person drop out of that tinny hole makes my skin crawl. My hat is off to anyone who has the guts to do that.
I was a speleological in my in my mid teens, in part to conquer my fear of tight spaces. Thursday evenings we'd head to various caves in the Chedder area. The worst I had the balls to go down was called the drain pipe", if I recall correctly near Priddy. It was 45 metres long with a small cavern at it's end, big enough to squeeze in five people. It was not as tight as that shown in this video. Just looking at that just goes to reminds me how I'd force my courage with my outward breath, then focus on it 100% it during my inward breath. They say the only thing to fear is fear itself, so it struck that the trick was to not give fear any room inside your mind or indeed my body.
I wonder what this guy thinks of them strange mummies from Peru
Stunning presentation!
Great to see these discoveries, not so great to see him praise himself.
I adore this
Cats, not just humans, use mind altering substances. They love the catnip and it drives them craaazy!
Pre Print papers, no peer reivew, and severe lack of evidence. Do your research. Lee is a showman.
I agree he's very showy and it's kind of annoying but what do you mean by lack of evidence? Are the fossils and burials not evidence of their culture? In any case I do wish this talk went into more technical detail of their analysis and dating and whatnot.
@@adopotato the team has not actually published any of their findings because all of the scientific journals denied publishing them due to a lack of scientific rigor and evidence new papers have been published using their evidence showing that what they are interpreting is incorrect however you could look this up and find the papers I’d grab the link, but I am on the go at the moment
Nothing wrong with being a showman as Thomas Edison and others who promoted their discoveries did to advance human knowledge and understanding. And like Darwin and many other scientists with new discoveries, there is opposition. We can all see that the work was arduous, the findings and proof there for all to examine. What is at issue is the the interpretation of the evidence before us. But perhaps one of the things keeping peer review from coming through right now is the opposition by the status quo. Only time will tell as Lee and his colleagues pass on and a younger paleontologist generation reexamines the evidence again for a fresh look, which by then I hope will be corroborated by more discoveries… or not. 🤔
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The fact that we still have wars and torture and kill each other is not a sign of human superiority. If we cleared out the anthropocentric thinking just imagine what wonders we could discover.
Misleading description: not 2 million yrs old but between 335,000 and 236,000 years ago.
This brings magic back into the world.
Anyone notice the large carved symbols were three crosses ?!
You got that right mate. We humans are so naive to think we are the only ones that made or built anything of worth and nothing in the past was possible. I for one believe that many ancient sites and monoliths were built thousands of years further back than is thought. The sphinx and the pyramids are over 10000 years old and certainly not built by Egyptians in my view. Peoples of the ancient past were far more intelligent than we give them credit for. Egyptians found those sites and added to them (and not as well either)
In ancient antiquities. 10,000 is you being conservative, right??? 😅😅😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
Radiometric dating would disagree
@@GroberWeisenstein of course they would. They control the paid narrative… but not necessarily the correct information. Bit hard to tell who’s right or ring but I’m sticking to my belief’s regardless
Did they determi how the homonits get in to the cavess? Was there alternative entrence that is now cover up by debree?
Anyone else notice how desperate this dude is for praise? How many times did he mention himself or point out something he did?
كلامك صحيح للأسف 😂
Desperate enough to present claims not backed by enough evidence.
I love this find... I love these folks... I HATE THAT FOOTAGE. I am scarred for life. I have had so many nightmares about this cave. And I still keep watching these damned videos. lol
You should visit it
You should visit it
Mesmerizing. Incredible how little we know.