The very first carving found in the cave appears to my eyes to be a bird with the low round stone as the head and the wings and tail pointing upward and almost centered in the bend of the wall.... maybe it's just me but it all blends together perfectly
Looks like a map to me inside the cave, or representation of their region, I would love to know what the geography was at the time - looks like a grass or reed bed (the isolated bits to the left), & the big part on the right looks like the cave entrance & a river with a crossing, maybe even a waterfall.
I think what we call Neanderthals left the caves long before we started using them, maybe some were still using them here and there. But just like we have different cultures and appearances today so did they and who’s to say some were not more sophisticated than others? Not just cavemen but a society with culture and a deep understanding of earth itself.
It struck me that the facial representation (a plausible interpretation of the object) could just as easily be that of a non-human animal, such as a feline. In any case, this evidence that Neanderthals were capable of and productive of such visual representation is quite remarkable.
Did they test the bone? What kind? I think that the face is of a cave lion and the bone to. Then left in the ground in front of the cave, as some offering. Maybe to say thank you for allowing is to use your cave for some time.
Two things I have to say. First, there is a significant difference between nonobjective art and abstract art. These scientists are not art historians and seem to be oblivious to this difference. I can accept the cave markings as nonobjective art. It is art created for the visual and tactile experience of creating the art. It is not representational of anything, therefore it is nonobjective. It is absolutely not abstract. Second, human beings are preprogrammed to see faces in anything. The face carved on the surface of Mars is a well known examples. Numerous examples of faces found on cliffs are known around the world. The stone may have been modified by Neanderthals, but we see a face because we can see abstract faces in anything. Our minds automatically create that connection within our brains. It does not equate to purposeful intention in the process of the object’s creation. I believe Neanderthals were capable of non objective, experiential Art. Abstraction was way beyond them. We are the ones creating the abstract connections in our own processing.
Would enough solar radiation change dna ...like that of a micronova? ...Im not saying it did ..Im only asking if radiation can erase a soecies by alternating dna
The experimental "recreation" of the marks does not take into consideration the progressive deterioration of the stone over the tens of thousands of years since Neanderthal times. An unfortunate oversight.
Nice to imagine a Neanderthal Bob Ross thousands of years ago.
With his squirrel friend helping him paint
This is wonderful, amazing and I feel fortunate that I can watch this video.
Thank you so much !
@@SLICE_Science And for free! Educational media should be accessible to everyone
Note too that 60,000 years is when light was excluded, not when the carvings were made. That was earlier. Perhaps much earlier
The very first carving found in the cave appears to my eyes to be a bird with the low round stone as the head and the wings and tail pointing upward and almost centered in the bend of the wall.... maybe it's just me but it all blends together perfectly
Looks like a map to me inside the cave, or representation of their region, I would love to know what the geography was at the time - looks like a grass or reed bed (the isolated bits to the left), & the big part on the right looks like the cave entrance & a river with a crossing, maybe even a waterfall.
I think what we call Neanderthals left the caves long before we started using them, maybe some were still using them here and there. But just like we have different cultures and appearances today so did they and who’s to say some were not more sophisticated than others? Not just cavemen but a society with culture and a deep understanding of earth itself.
It struck me that the facial representation (a plausible interpretation of the object) could just as easily be that of a non-human animal, such as a feline. In any case, this evidence that Neanderthals were capable of and productive of such visual representation is quite remarkable.
Did they test the bone? What kind? I think that the face is of a cave lion and the bone to. Then left in the ground in front of the cave, as some offering. Maybe to say thank you for allowing is to use your cave for some time.
I think it might be animals, like a cat scratches a post. Or maybe some other cave animal.
At this point, I am pretty sure that we can say that, yes, they were capable of art.
An alternative perspective on the La Roche-Cotard art - ruclips.net/video/zBgzeesXmcc/видео.html
Two things I have to say. First, there is a significant difference between nonobjective art and abstract art. These scientists are not art historians and seem to be oblivious to this difference. I can accept the cave markings as nonobjective art. It is art created for the visual and tactile experience of creating the art. It is not representational of anything, therefore it is nonobjective. It is absolutely not abstract.
Second, human beings are preprogrammed to see faces in anything. The face carved on the surface of Mars is a well known examples. Numerous examples of faces found on cliffs are known around the world. The stone may have been modified by Neanderthals, but we see a face because we can see abstract faces in anything. Our minds automatically create that connection within our brains. It does not equate to purposeful intention in the process of the object’s creation. I believe Neanderthals were capable of non objective, experiential Art. Abstraction was way beyond them. We are the ones creating the abstract connections in our own processing.
My cousin did a bit of cave Art
And now, knowing the Neanderthals got there first, and interbred with Sapiens - that they brought art to sapiens, not the other way round.
It is a theory at best
@@KrishnanNath You are certainly entitled to your opinion and theories.
Would enough solar radiation change dna ...like that of a micronova? ...Im not saying it did ..Im only asking if radiation can erase a soecies by alternating dna
She did those patterns with her nose😂
I don’t know, did anyone ask them? Maybe the answer is in gene 🧬 sequencing.
These people will always find SOMETHING . heads in the clouds
The experimental "recreation" of the marks does not take into consideration the progressive deterioration of the stone over the tens of thousands of years since Neanderthal times. An unfortunate oversight.
Looked ok. Shame we were unable to hear 2 different people talking at the same time. Terrible.
Denasovians do it better.
Denisovans had carved bracelets and jewelry (art) at least 50,000 years ago.