As a child with a wild imagination, i suppose like many other country children, our family spent many wonderful Christmas holiday weekends in a very beautiful cave high in the Drakensberg Mountains of South Africa. How wonderful to find your spellbinding narrative and animation here. For I well remember the remarkable stories told late into the night by older brothers and my parents, sitting around a warm camp fire, and many of those stories were accompanied by our flickering shadows upon our cave wall, representing the hunting scenes depicted by Bushman (San) rock art... mingled now with time those moments of rapture for me as a small child are as real as anything in my mind. So all I can say is that your wonderful ideas have been so enjoyed by a now much much much older child in this modern era... Thank you, and good hunting! Kind regards Keith. En tant qu'enfant doté d'une imagination débordante, je suppose que, comme beaucoup d'autres enfants de la campagne, notre famille a passé de nombreux merveilleux week-ends de vacances de Noël dans une très belle grotte située dans les montagnes du Drakensberg en Afrique du Sud. Comme c’est merveilleux de trouver ici votre récit et votre animation envoûtants. Car je me souviens très bien des histoires remarquables racontées tard dans la nuit par mes frères aînés et mes parents, assis autour d'un feu de camp chaleureux, et nombre de ces histoires étaient accompagnées de nos ombres vacillantes sur les murs de notre grotte, représentant les scènes de chasse représentées par les Bushman ( San) l'art rupestre... mêlés maintenant au temps, ces moments de ravissement pour moi en tant que petit enfant sont aussi réels que tout ce qui se passe dans mon esprit. Tout ce que je peux dire, c'est que vos merveilleuses idées ont été tellement appréciées par un enfant désormais beaucoup plus âgé de cette ère moderne... Merci et bonne chasse ! Cordialement Keith.
"As a child with a wild imagination, i suppose like many other country children, our family spent many wonderful Christmas holiday weekends in a very beautiful cave high in the Drakensberg Mountains of South Africa." So, was this imagined or actual, and if the latter, "many other country children" ? I'm a country kid... what??????? "En tant qu'enfant doté d'une imagination débordante, je suppose que, comme beaucoup d'autres enfants de la campagne, notre famille a passé de nombreux merveilleux week-ends de vacances de Noël dans une très belle grotte située dans les montagnes du Drakensberg en Afrique du Sud." Alors, était-ce imaginé ou réel, et dans ce dernier cas, « de nombreux autres enfants de la campagne » ? Je suis un enfant de la campagne... quoi ???????
The prehistoric people knew exactly what the animals looked like, they knew how to look at them. They are so incredibly beautiful depicted, just awesome✨
I think that Marc Azema adds a relevant aspect to the knowledge of prehistoric pictures by investigating and proving earlier theories about movement. This, unlike many who produce a constant flow of vague and questionable theories about prehistoric art. Another substantial contribution about prehistoric drawings, was the publication a few years ago, about the discovery concerning the mysterious dots, depicted alongside many drawn animals. The number of dots proved to match the number of months of the depicted animal’s pregnancy. Thank you Marc.
The cave art should be viewed by flickering fire light which is what the Elders would have used. Not by present day light sources. The flickering fire light would have created motion on the cave walls.
There would not have been fires usually but lamps, which are basically like candles with a wick. Sometimes torches were used. When you light some candles in your own house does your house come alive in new ways? Probably not. It was nothing special for those people either. And 'the elders' using fire is a hollow statement. 1. There is no such thing as 'Elders'. No evidence whatsoever. 2. Everybody used fire regardless because these folks lived in a glacial period and it was bloody well freezing. You would die of hypothermia without fire no matter how old you are.
My thoughts, somewhat. These images were used for hunting, and planning a hunt. One analysis I came across indicated that small marks near each animal pertained to the time of year they breed young, as they're more vulnerable then. These were classrooms and war rooms, not local theater or leisurely entertainment spaces.
Because they revered those animals, prey and predators, alike. Having said that, there are carved sculptures of rather Rubenesque female figures that pre-date even Chauvet by at least 10,000 years.
This is amazing! I'm so glad others have noticed the motion in the cave art, and even took it further by duplicating the little disc and spinning it to reveal the picture of the bison being shot. I hope there are more of those discs found. I thought about the ducks carved at the base of a T pillar at Gobekli Tepe. When I first saw those I said they would look like they were walking if there was a fire near them to cast shadows. Brilliant documentary!
As detailed as these cave paintings are. I wonder about details lost over time. Did they use a sharpened stick as a stilus dipped in pigment to make fine detailed lines? And those didn't last? I guess I'm pondering just how much detail these paintings had when they were new that didn't last over time. I wonder if new technology could pick up some of these lost details. And maybe remenants of older cave paintings that we can't see with our eyes.
@@friedrichjunzt The Stoned Ape hypothesis from McKenna's works and the overwhelming evidence of a psychedelic worldview of primal peoples is well established at this point. But, non initiates really need gentle coaching.
I think perhaps not all the murals were exposed at the same time, some were covered and then exposed to living light when the narrative allowed it. Add also sound of drums and maybe animal imitation by ancient priests (?) and mushrooms and here we go....a entire movie open in front of your eyes.
The extraordinary artistry in these ancient caves clearly demonstrates that these humans were not primitive. They just lacked information about the world they were somehow mysteriously born into. What an existential dilemma. Their artistry represents real human sophistication and aesthetic genius. They just needed more information. Imagine being trapped in a world with almost no culture. No sources of information. And no resources other than Mother Nature. And weren't these caves the original Temples and Churches and Theaters? The beginning of both art and religion and culture and intellect?💙
Could they have used 3 different mixes of bioluminescent pigments and strobe-light flame light in a particular motion that would activate the bioluminescent pigment used. Just thinkin'
@@SLICE_Full_Doc The only part I didn't like was when you animated movement that wasn't there. Like for example, the six-second clip beginning at 51:47. Unless I'm missing it, there are no drawings of the lions positioned away from the bison's hoof as shown in your animation, but only the drawing of the bison's hoof touching (hitting) the lion's head actually exists there in the cave. You fabricated several other animations just prior to that, like the big hunt scene, as well. Why did you do that? That is very misleading.
...el artista ya habia nacido,creó el arte,la plasmó y simuló elmovimiento...habria que mirarlo en la obscuridad bajo el serpenteante fuego y un cuadro con rendijas en moviento para contemplar cierta animación...
The next step for the researcher should be to contact a psychic or shaman with the ability to "see" the thoughts of the original artists.Better yet,develop this ability yourself through self-discipline and spiritual awakening.A psychic who can hold an object and see the thoughts of the owner is called a psychometrist.The idea is that objects hold residual energy or impressions from their previous owner, which a psychometrist or shaman can access.
Idea: Look for a hole in the floor where a staff with a lamp, light... could spin the shaft of light... old school strobe-light. High tech 14,000 years ago.
This is not as outlandish as it might sound. In later civilizations, where most people couldn't read, such as the Neo-Assyrian Empire and the Egyptians, to name but two, the wall friezes were designed to show the normal citizens what wonderful acts their kings and masters were doing, and had done. It was the same in medieval church art, designed to show illiterate people what Jesus Christ and his followers did etc. etc. So it is logical that prehistoric cave art performed a very similar function 😊
All these paintings were painted by my grand-grand-….-parents 😊. It is determined that H1 mth-haplogroup, which is my, originates from the people living in-the caves of Cantabria such as Altamira. I am planning to visit the caves of my tribe this year.
Maybe. the light of fire if you cover the light. in remove the cover. in cover again repeat. again in again. you see the drawing in the wall inside the cave. you see looks likes cinema or movies. ligth in the shadow repatetion. imagine that. you inside the Cave.😮
Double sets of limbs has other meanings, like the wearing of skin suits. Nobody thinks the aztecs were running when the priest wore someone like a mask to do his little pookey dance. Speculation is 💩
As a child with a wild imagination, i suppose like many other country children, our family spent many wonderful Christmas holiday weekends in a very beautiful cave high in the Drakensberg Mountains of South Africa. How wonderful to find your spellbinding narrative and animation here. For I well remember the remarkable stories told late into the night by older brothers and my parents, sitting around a warm camp fire, and many of those stories were accompanied by our flickering shadows upon our cave wall, representing the hunting scenes depicted by Bushman (San) rock art... mingled now with time those moments of rapture for me as a small child are as real as anything in my mind.
So all I can say is that your wonderful ideas have been so enjoyed by a now much much much older child in this modern era...
Thank you, and good hunting! Kind regards Keith.
En tant qu'enfant doté d'une imagination débordante, je suppose que, comme beaucoup d'autres enfants de la campagne, notre famille a passé de nombreux merveilleux week-ends de vacances de Noël dans une très belle grotte située dans les montagnes du Drakensberg en Afrique du Sud. Comme c’est merveilleux de trouver ici votre récit et votre animation envoûtants. Car je me souviens très bien des histoires remarquables racontées tard dans la nuit par mes frères aînés et mes parents, assis autour d'un feu de camp chaleureux, et nombre de ces histoires étaient accompagnées de nos ombres vacillantes sur les murs de notre grotte, représentant les scènes de chasse représentées par les Bushman ( San) l'art rupestre... mêlés maintenant au temps, ces moments de ravissement pour moi en tant que petit enfant sont aussi réels que tout ce qui se passe dans mon esprit.
Tout ce que je peux dire, c'est que vos merveilleuses idées ont été tellement appréciées par un enfant désormais beaucoup plus âgé de cette ère moderne...
Merci et bonne chasse ! Cordialement Keith.
"As a child with a wild imagination, i suppose like many other country children, our family spent many wonderful Christmas holiday weekends in a very beautiful cave high in the Drakensberg Mountains of South Africa." So, was this imagined or actual, and if the latter, "many other country children" ? I'm a country kid... what???????
"En tant qu'enfant doté d'une imagination débordante, je suppose que, comme beaucoup d'autres enfants de la campagne, notre famille a passé de nombreux merveilleux week-ends de vacances de Noël dans une très belle grotte située dans les montagnes du Drakensberg en Afrique du Sud." Alors, était-ce imaginé ou réel, et dans ce dernier cas, « de nombreux autres enfants de la campagne » ? Je suis un enfant de la campagne... quoi ???????
The prehistoric people knew exactly what the animals looked like, they knew how to look at them. They are so incredibly beautiful depicted, just awesome✨
This was an interesting take on the way cave art can be viewed. I enjoyed the viewpoint shown here. I thought it was quite amazing!
What an extraordinary research and documentary! Congratulations!💐
Resonance Reznikoff is a pretty cool fella
Thank you so much for your work! I am greatly enriched watching this presentation.
Excellent
I think that Marc Azema adds a relevant aspect to the knowledge of prehistoric pictures by investigating and proving earlier theories about movement. This, unlike many who produce a constant flow of vague and questionable theories about prehistoric art.
Another substantial contribution about prehistoric drawings, was the publication a few years ago, about the discovery concerning the mysterious dots, depicted alongside many drawn animals. The number of dots proved to match the number of months of the depicted animal’s pregnancy. Thank you Marc.
The cave art should be viewed by flickering fire light which is what the Elders would have used. Not by present day light sources. The flickering fire light would have created motion on the cave walls.
exactly, the goat man would come to life in living light not only revealing the shape but also movements....
There would not have been fires usually but lamps, which are basically like candles with a wick. Sometimes torches were used. When you light some candles in your own house does your house come alive in new ways? Probably not. It was nothing special for those people either. And 'the elders' using fire is a hollow statement. 1. There is no such thing as 'Elders'. No evidence whatsoever. 2. Everybody used fire regardless because these folks lived in a glacial period and it was bloody well freezing. You would die of hypothermia without fire no matter how old you are.
My thoughts, somewhat. These images were used for hunting, and planning a hunt.
One analysis I came across indicated that small marks near each animal pertained to the time of year they breed young, as they're more vulnerable then. These were classrooms and war rooms, not local theater or leisurely entertainment spaces.
Perhaps throat singing…
who knows, what kind of light they had.
I'm curious why these people so carefully drew animals but never made images of themselves with the same fidelity.
Because they revered those animals, prey and predators, alike. Having said that, there are carved sculptures of rather Rubenesque female figures that pre-date even Chauvet by at least 10,000 years.
This is amazing! I'm so glad others have noticed the motion in the cave art, and even took it further by duplicating the little disc and spinning it to reveal the picture of the bison being shot. I hope there are more of those discs found. I thought about the ducks carved at the base of a T pillar at Gobekli Tepe. When I first saw those I said they would look like they were walking if there was a fire near them to cast shadows. Brilliant documentary!
As detailed as these cave paintings are. I wonder about details lost over time. Did they use a sharpened stick as a stilus dipped in pigment to make fine detailed lines? And those didn't last? I guess I'm pondering just how much detail these paintings had when they were new that didn't last over time. I wonder if new technology could pick up some of these lost details. And maybe remenants of older cave paintings that we can't see with our eyes.
I watched a video by Praveen Mohan which showed this technique used in ancient Hindu temples. It’s amazing to watch the animation come to life!
I thought the same thing about the many armed deities in India depicting arm swing motion... a dynamic essential aspect of being.
Flying or waving like traces on an LSD or mushroom trip, man.... oh so very wavey....🍄
@@billsadler3 psychedelic stoned age pop art 😋😵💫✌️🐇🍄
Add some mushrooms, thought singing, harmonics, instruments and flickering fire light. The place would have been kicking off.
Yeah, psychedelics is something I would consider, too. Quite sure, our ancestors used them regulary.
@@friedrichjunzt The Stoned Ape hypothesis from McKenna's works and the overwhelming evidence of a psychedelic worldview of primal peoples is well established at this point. But, non initiates really need gentle coaching.
@@billsadler3 The Elder - would help - for sure.
Fascinating video!
Thank you!
Fascinating, 👍👍👍
Cartoons? How about powerful ,majestic, spiritual masterpieces?
I think perhaps not all the murals were exposed at the same time, some were covered and then exposed to living light when the narrative allowed it. Add also sound of drums and maybe animal imitation by ancient priests (?) and mushrooms and here we go....a entire movie open in front of your eyes.
Ushers passing out shrooms like peanuts at the ball game?
@@sathdk79 more like pop corn in a movie theater
@@Kenshiroit you have to leave the theater to buy popcorn. They throw peanuts to your seat
@@sathdk79 not really you buy the before entering you can also buy drinkables at the shop
Seems to me, fire would have animated the forms. A flame moves. I'm only at 20:00, so, maybe they go here...
I get it, the cave was a theater, the visitor carried the lighting!!!
The subject is naturally there.
They highlighted it.
Aah, yes, thank you very much!
The extraordinary artistry in these ancient caves clearly demonstrates that these humans were not primitive. They just lacked information about the world they were somehow mysteriously born into. What an existential dilemma. Their artistry represents real human sophistication and aesthetic genius. They just needed more information. Imagine being trapped in a world with almost no culture. No sources of information. And no resources other than Mother Nature. And weren't these caves the original Temples and Churches and Theaters? The beginning of both art and religion and culture and intellect?💙
Could they have used 3 different mixes of bioluminescent pigments and strobe-light flame light in a particular motion that would activate the bioluminescent pigment used. Just thinkin'
fascinating documentary, and further, what intrigues me more is cave art and spirituality
Thanks so much!
@@SLICE_Full_Doc The only part I didn't like was when you animated movement that wasn't there. Like for example, the six-second clip beginning at 51:47. Unless I'm missing it, there are no drawings of the lions positioned away from the bison's hoof as shown in your animation, but only the drawing of the bison's hoof touching (hitting) the lion's head actually exists there in the cave. You fabricated several other animations just prior to that, like the big hunt scene, as well. Why did you do that? That is very misleading.
...el artista ya habia nacido,creó el arte,la plasmó y simuló elmovimiento...habria que mirarlo en la obscuridad bajo el serpenteante fuego y un cuadro con rendijas en moviento para contemplar cierta animación...
Oh wow
The next step for the researcher should be to contact a psychic or shaman with the ability to "see" the thoughts of the original artists.Better yet,develop this ability yourself through self-discipline and spiritual awakening.A psychic who can hold an object and see the thoughts of the owner is called a psychometrist.The idea is that objects hold residual energy or impressions from their previous owner, which a psychometrist or shaman can access.
Idea: Look for a hole in the floor where a staff with a lamp, light... could spin the shaft of light... old school strobe-light. High tech 14,000 years ago.
Artists impressions of animals in later civilizations compare to paintings your child would bring home from school.
15:22--16:23
This is not as outlandish as it might sound. In later civilizations, where most people couldn't read, such as the Neo-Assyrian Empire and the Egyptians, to name but two, the wall friezes were designed to show the normal citizens what wonderful acts their kings and masters were doing, and had done. It was the same in medieval church art, designed to show illiterate people what Jesus Christ and his followers did etc. etc. So it is logical that prehistoric cave art performed a very similar function 😊
The image was already there in the rock.
They just highlighted it.
May be there was a initiation for the domestic of the animal, and set a base for the civilitation to come. Thankss
It’s difficult to understand Stone Age cultures - ask any Native American !
I don't know if I want to be that close to so many lions even in a vehicle.
Would be stunning when we found a cave with comics... 😊
All these paintings were painted by my grand-grand-….-parents 😊. It is determined that H1 mth-haplogroup, which is my, originates from the people living in-the caves of Cantabria such as Altamira. I am planning to visit the caves of my tribe this year.
Ceci me rappelle l'artiste Christian Hook puisque son style évoque souvent un mouvement
so cute
That cave was an Ivy League Art University.
Clearly refutes the theory of revolution
😍😍😍
they painted it full of art, with what kind of light?
The first schools!
Maybe. the light of fire if you cover the light. in remove the cover. in cover again repeat. again in again. you see the drawing in the wall inside the cave. you see looks likes cinema or movies. ligth in the shadow repatetion. imagine that. you inside the Cave.😮
Dyamm they were good artist
Maybe they just liked to draw stuff.. lol
I cringe when I hear pronunciations like SinnaMahhh 🍿 so funny 🤡
Get a grip on yourself the artist 40,000 years ago were as smart as these cinematic geniuses
Taylor Mark Johnson Michelle Rodriguez Ronald
Double sets of limbs has other meanings, like the wearing of skin suits. Nobody thinks the aztecs were running when the priest wore someone like a mask to do his little pookey dance.
Speculation is 💩
Lets face It. THEY WERE SMARTER THAN US . THEY WERE just born in The wrong era .
they gave us possibility to live.