Gran Turismo 7 on PlayStation 5: The Digital Foundry Tech Review
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Polyphony Digital builds upon the solid Gran Turismo Sport engine with a range of upgrades and a vast increase in content for GT7 on PlayStation 5. Learn all about performance, image quality, game features and of course, hardware-accelerated ray tracing, in the Digital Foundry tech review.
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As a Forza guy, coming back after the new Digital Foundry's video of Forza Motorsport , this GT7 is a marvel.
I like forza and gt 7 both
@@teviblekhman1628 Got both. GT7 trounce over Forza 8 and that really disappoints me as I got a powerful PC rig.
I don't dislike GT but I hate the fact that the outside cameras are attached to the car and not to the inertia of the moment, like Forza.
GT7 needs the power of the PS5 Pro! I had this game in 2022 but bought a PS5 at the end of 2023 and played this game only for some days and then sold the PS5 again only to wait for the PS5 Pro and FINALLY enjoy the game to the fullest like it should be!✅
Want to make a Correction, all PS5 GT7 car models are actually higher quality than what is showcased in GT-Sport, the caveat being that these higher polygon assets were actually authored during development of GT-Sport but were much too detailed to be used in PS4/Pro generation, according to the creator himself, the choice was made so that they would be better prepared for transitioning to more powerful next generation hardware in a more timely manner
They chose to go this route, which is heavily bolstered by manufacturer provided high fidelity CAD data, from the prior learnings of trying to transition into the HD era from the PS2 assets and avoid how excruciatingly long that endeavour took to go from 4 to 5, even though technically GT4 did support 1080i with the right cables.
Point being these aren't dressed up GT-Sport cars, these cars were authored and stored for use for future hardware that is capable of it from inception, & GT7 is starting to showcase that forward thinking planning, again this is according to Kaz's interviews himself
Good point. It is important to remember that by the time the PS4 generation rolled out a common practice in game development was to model a higher detail/resolution model for character, vehicles, and assets that would then get reduced to the required levels to run in the engine at the desired targets. This means that there were higher quality assets available.
This is a practice common to this day.
Thanks for the great background information!
models are everything for heavily asset-based games
Some cars new to GT6 were used (touched up a bit) in GT Sport as well, off the top of my head the ones that featured tessellation like the ferrari F40 and KTM Xbow. In any regular gameplay scenario the high poly model wouldn't be loaded, but in replays and photomode they would.
There's a big thread on GT Planet from years back where some guy named Emula compares GT6 models to GT Sport, pretty interesting to see. I think it's great that polyphony is at the point where the models themselves will look good for years to come, and they can work on how materials are handled. I admire how they go for a natural aesthetic, even if some say it's boring compared to the more colorful Forza
Proof rather than hearsay?
I’ve been playing GT7 for around 6 hours now. I’m telling you this is a therapeutic experience I’m not even joking.
It’s amazing the amount of hard work and attention to detail and love put into this.
Thank you Yamauchi and all people that delivered this unbelievable game.
its not as detailed as PC sims dude. its rubbish.
@@ddha0000 You played the game? Because the game isn't a full on Sim like a PC game doesn't mean it isn't more detailed. Tell me of a PC game that has more cars, tracks, play modes, livery editor and camera options than GT7?
@Esuard Leder, all the games you have aren't from digital stores, right?
@Esuard Leder no shit! not like every other comment on this video is talking about the dumb online-only aspect of the game. but one guy has a positive thing to say about the game, that he’s making the best of it and having fun, and you have to chime in with negativity acting like a smug asshole. touch grass.
@@ddha0000 You never even played the series I bet.... Just a dumb hater finding reason to hate something.
Yep the load times are a game changer. We haven't had fast loading into races since GT4 really.
Being able to pop back into a license test within 3 seconds, or go customize a car real quick and then jump back into a race within seconds.
Such a massive change
That's been ny favorite improvement of this generation of consoles. I still can barely wrap my head around the fact that PS5 native titles load in anywhere from 2-10 seconds tops.
im just thinking, couldn't you just toss a ssd in a ps3 or ps4 to improve loading times of ps3 gran turismos or gran turismo sport?
@@Yeedman not exactly, processor still needs his own power to analyse data
@Aaron H Umm..actually from the PS2 generation GT4 really had the worst loading times. GT3 had much faster loadings.
@@Yeedman it will improve the loading times of the PS4 a little bit you won’t nearly reach the quick loading times of the ps5. That’s because the whole architecture of the PS4 is not optimised for such a fast ssd. When you equip your PS4 with an ssd, only a small part of the performance of the ssd will be utilised.
I remember having the original GT with my dad and uncles taking turns on the wheel. At the time it was so realistic haha
I remember how good the graphics were back then.
i actually played that recently lol, at least there isnt damage in the game.I passed a lot of those races smashing into cars when they slowed down for a turn and either pushing them into a grass field on the track or pushing them out of position against a wall that let me get by
Snap! Taking turns in the endurance races with my brother was a highlight aswell
Nobody cares about your memories.
I used to use the joystick to look at my cars from all angles during the countdown at the start of a race
I appreciate the online-only call out. I have a PS5 but I live in a rural area with crappy internet which really hinders my ability to reliably play anything online, and I feel seen. Thanks, John!
@Esuard Leder especially with a £60 price tag
@@StanceSantos back in the 90s games cost 25% of what they do to make and costed 60-80 bucks lol
I heard they make it so because of potential hacking
@@nicklach1071 is that adjusted for inflation? Because I can guarantee games did not cost that much in the 90s in the uk it was around £45 - £50
@@StanceSantos using the base pound inflation rate of 2.8%. 50 pounds in 1995 after inflation is 102 pounds. Meanwhile take final fantasy 7 remake for instance. They made the original game for 30 million and people spend hundreds of hours on it. The new one takes about 30-40 hours and cost them 200 million to make. Game prices are honestly lower than they should be, people just account for changing economies.
Gran Turismo literally inspired me into a petrolhead, it was always eye popping since PS2, and I mean beyond the visual aspect, I loved as a child, and I was owner to the biggest community of Gran Turismo on Orkut, and everyday people saying how much they loved spending time with the games, I hope that this game make new car lovers and allow we who grew with it to make new pure fun memories.. Nowdays is hard to really get hyped to something without a foot back, but my inner child is screaming its lungs out to this game simply not suck
Same story here🤩
It really is a fresh breath of air that it isn't a rushed release, unlike every other modern game ever
The MX-5 NA from GT3 is why I ended up buying a real MX-5 21 years later.
@@paulklp8262 I have an MX5 as well, it's an NB tho
@@paulklp8262
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So early that the comments are so peacefull.
Forza Horizon better
@@eljusticiero322 bruh 🤣
@@eljusticiero322 mid
@@eljusticiero322 savage
@@eljusticiero322 I like horizon 5, I probably put 150hrs into it but gt7 is a completely different game and appeals more to the sime crowd. Saying horizon is better than gt is like saying halo is better than call of duty. Yeah they are both first person shooters but they are completely different game appealing to different parts of the gaming community. To say one is better than the other is just dumb ass console war fan boy bs.
Edit: Did I just get woodshed? Fk, ah well might as well own it
i preordered the Digital Deluxe. now i'm prewatching the Digital Foundry.
let me know if you need help on a third video breaking down the the cornucopious sweet jazz fusion pieces in the soundtrack
Hi Tim!
the legend himself
preorder = only idiots.
@Esuard Leder what do you mean you can't own? will it not come in a disc format?
@Esuard Leder Jesus Christ, even racing games are getting the online only treatment? Of all the genres that's literally the last one I would expect to be online only.
I can see the soul in the game. Not a car guy but I'll definitely be getting it
Can we really say it haves a soul if it doesn't even have something so basic as car damage? Hard to believe, man
@@javierb.4447 It doesn't have car damage in 2022 for real dude?
@@javierb.4447 when you license these cars to use in your game. You do know some of them don’t want their cars shown in that light right. This is why car damage isn’t implemented
@@LogicInWords It’s funny how the devs implement so much care and detail and someone thinks they just forgot about car damage lol
@@METALMATCHA fr, and it's been lacking in all licensed car games for the same reason for what 25 years? Car manufacturers dont want you showing their cars with their shit kicked in, dragging half a muffler behind it. I didn't realize there were still doofs who held this against a dev team. It looks even more insane given how much love and care went into this game. Bravo Poly, for car lovers this will be a treat.
Thank you for talking about the DRM, it's so annoying to have this kind of things in a console game now.
yup it's encouraging to see some channels point it out. The trouble is a lot of people don't really even know the concept of why it's a bad thing and will be dealt quite the shock if they find out the hard way
This is worth speaking up for and unless we do they will keep pushing this practice
Dont buy an xbox then all gamepass games use the always online drm mines set as home console can't play games unless I turn xbox online first
@@thefirst48gaming2 no gamepass is a rental service where your subscription is justifiably checked. The DRM exists for exactly that reason. It's completely different. If I purchase on xbox and set it to home then I can play it entirely offline. That's most games. Halo Infinite does buck the trend however with it's campaign not being available to play offline thanks to a validation screen that pops up regardless. But gamepass you expect there for DRM to exist because that's the model
@@adroharv9213 the drms not just for gamepass I can't even play games I've bought without signing in first
@@thefirst48gaming2 Then there's a problem with your console, I can play Gamepass games offline just fine, even on accounts that i'm sharing it with, And games i own always work offline.
I never was too demanding when it comes to graphics and fidelity, so for me by far the load times have the most impact. It feels so natural but also strange at the same time to just go from on thing to the next so effortlessly. I’m enjoying GT7 so much more than I initially thought I would.
Lying about the game's features and releasing a game that looks like this on the PS5 is unacceptable, Forza is open world and it looks better than this. I was about to buy this too.
@@Masckerdoom GT7 looks great wdym
@@BlackParade01 it looks alright tbh. I have been playing it.
@@BlackParade01 It looks good, sometimes incredibly good. But still, FH5 looks better while having the Open world constraint. It's hard to excuse this level of detail honestly, the PS5 can do MUCH better.
Still, I have to say that if you're using the cockpit view in GT7, it looks phenomenal at times
@@MadX8GT7 cars are far more detailed then FH5 cars. Also the new Forza even looks worse then GT7, what is its excuse?
Stunning game with so many GT4 vibes...but why does it have to be always online? Every time a Dev does this I feel I'm renting a game with an expiration date. Or maybe I'm just too old and miss the way games used to be...
Your old
In the case of GT it seems to be tied to the online component. Remember that this is developed on the back of GT Sport, a game designed as mainly an online multiplayer game. That game’s online features were incredibly smooth being able to quickly jump into online events.
And with everything you do in the game updating your standing in the global rankings and availability for online events it seems in part to be an (over)reaction to what online performance was back on the PS3 games. Instead of having the online features kick in on request just have the game online all the time updating in the background.
On top of that, if the news of the new AI system are anything to go by, it is possible that online connectivity becomes even more relevant down the line.
Piracy control
Wait.. so you actually can’t play this game if your Wifi goes out?
@@flyingplantwhale545 I believe you can
Really really bummed about the online only. Yes I get it most already have internet but you can still run into random internet shut downs. It’s worse for a racing game where all your current race progress would be gone. Also defeats the purpose of being about to pause a race mid game onto rest mode, you’ll be forced to login back in and restart the race.
True, I never thought about that. How will rest mode work? specially if you randomly loose internet connection while in rest mode? This could be a problem
Yeah dude, online connection required Suuucks
I’m with you on the online only crap… don’t get why it’s like that, what if the grid goes down, bastards!
I didn't have an issue with always online until the release of hitman 2. My internet went haywire and for about 3 weeks I disconnected every other minute for a couple of minutes. I got apoligies from my provider of course, but it was just so ironic that it happened basically the same week as I got a single player game that requires online.
After that I will never ever be "ok" with always online single player games. There is simply no reason why the should be always online, and internet CAN go down, even if you live in a highly connected country like me.
@@dontomaso11 💯💯💯
Ohh how I miss the days of just buying the disc and being able to just play the game without online only crap
as a huge retro gamer, i hate the fact that its online only.
Preventing piracy
@@melxvee6850 By not letting legitimate buyers own the game? That's ingenious.
@@lesuardeder9604 just cuz it's online to you it means you don't own the game?
@@melxvee6850 Yes that's what it means. You don't own a game that relies on a server connection to run and will turn into a paperweight a few years down the line when they shut down the servers. Paying for something that can and WILL be taken away from you later is not ownership.
You live in a 3rd world country bro? I don't need the game to work in 10 years, I'll have the next game.
"Soothing sounds of hooked on classics, Richard's favourite..." - that made my day! :D
I still boot up GT4 and GT6 sometimes to drive old cars that aren't included in modern games. It's a shame that GT7 likely won't have the same longevity because of the always online DRM.
I mean, ps3 servers are still up, and the ps6 will probably still be retrocompatible with the ps4, so gt7 has at least 25 years of servers
How is it back to its roots when it's all online? Career mode is something that shouldn't require an online connection. I understand that online racing is where they want to be, but not everything should depend on it.
I don't get it. Do you guys have a problem with your internet? Something tells me you guys wasn't going to buy it anyway but just want something to complain about. Because if this was Apex legends or warzone there wouldn't be a problem as those games are online only. I'm sorry you don't have more to whine about as this game is polished AF.
@Esuard Leder Well technically this is primarily a multiplayer game.
@@CreativGaming there will always be some of you and there will always be some of us.
no ray tracing during gameplay
as expected from weakstation 5
$1000 pc is 3x faster than weakstation 5
Just really sucks knowing you can't enjoy the game 10-15 years down the road like literally every other game.
Amazing analysis. Ouch though, that online-only DRM really leaves a bad taste. Yuk.
Same, our only response is to not buy it because buying it just endorses their shitty decision. I know it sucks not to play it, but so be it.
@@8-bitsteve500 the real bummer is that even if they patch it out, you'll need a working psn connection to get that patch, defeating the purpose.
If like GT Sport, you can’t access the single player campaign when offline….it’s a deal breaker for me. 👎
Kids
K, bye then
GT7 needs the power of the PS5 Pro! I had this game in 2022 but bought a PS5 at the end of 2023 and played this game only for some days and then sold the PS5 again only to wait for the PS5 Pro and FINALLY enjoy the game to the fullest like it should be!✅
I appreciate the awareness of making the game online-only being a drawback. Imagine your router goes out when getting serious in even the non-multiplayer races. Make it simple and give us a FULL offline mode.
It's total bs
Offline mode needs to improve a lot before I consider buying this game. We could be talking about a great entry in the series, but DRM is simply wrong.
@Esuard Leder if it needs a day one patch to play day one then chances are it will disappear from servers and shelves at some point... and become obsolete
@Esuard Leder Not necessarily true that's one of the awesome things about community servers for games like Team Fortress 2 basically it makes it where the lifetime of a game is up to the community even if official servers shut down.
That's why there's been a big effort to set up unofficial community servers for a bunch of PS3 games recently it's when the developer takes that freedom away from you that it becomes a problem but then that's where emulation comes in to save the day when developers don't care about game preservation.
@Esuard Leder How the hell is that naive there's community servers for the original Demon Souls through the emulator RPCS3 and that game is old as shit at this point so why wouldn't people eventually set up community servers.
I'd also suggest looking up this fan group called PSONE as they've been setting up some community servers and so far they have a few servers up for Motorstorm, Warhawk, Killzone 2, Socom Confrontation, WipeoutHD, Calling all Cars, and Twisted Metal Black as a few examples they have up so far (and they're working on more).
Trust me it's not naive to believe there might be community servers made in the future especially with all the efforts being made to preserve all these older online titles now, believing something like that is naive just undermines all the hard work that has been done by these dedicated groups so far.
I prefer Forza Motorsport, but I'm still hyped for this game (preordered it back in September, should be here today). My biggest issue with GT games is probably minor - I don't like how the chase cam works. It's like attached to the car on a long stick. The camera rotates with the car 1:1. Play basically any other racing game and you'll see the difference. Other racing games have the camera follow more loosely, like a drone is following it or something. You can see some slight car rotation when turning. I mostly play with my wheel in first-person cam, though, so it's not usually an issue, but when I don't feel like getting the wheel set up, it's a minor annoyance that I always notice.
I agree 100% and I wish they would add an option to at least have the possibility to change that. That’s a minor issue but still it something that I can’t stop thinking about and kind of ruins the game
@@wblue10 I'm glad somebody else knows what I'm talking about. It's bizarre.
Cars dont fly in gt7 sorry
@@andresromerodelgado6241 wat
@@wblue10 there is tho
GT7 is an Online Only Game now. You can't no longer simply enjoy Gran Turismo now. Rip Gaming 4Ever.
Don't forget to thanks DF for reporting this
As a Forza dude 1-7. I’ve officially jumped ship!
I'm thinking of jumping ship. The new Motorsport is disappointing
I just jumped ship too lol😂
Only keeping my series X for Horizon 5. Hopefully Microsoft brings that game to PlayStation 😅
VR mode with psvr2 will be so awesome in this game 🤩
Psvr2 with steering wheel support
@@FrankLotion9461 that should go without saying 😁 Playing with a controller should only be for nfs games
My initial thoughts too. GT Sport was my very first VR experience, and it was jaw dropping for me. Completely blew my mind.
Still love my PSVR, but also 2023 and PSVR2 cannot come soon enough. 😍
Simracers and flight sims are definitely the best genres to play on VR but the PS5's hardware is going to struggle playing a game this demanding in VR and frame-rates needed for it - even with graphics dumbed down. It may be able to be played in VR once they release the game for PC. That may even be why there have been rumors floating around that the PSVR2 may end up being PC- compatible. Certainly would be a much better VR experience with higher-end hardware.
...but not at £500,!
Always online is a deal breaker. No buy from me. Yes I have internet, but that's not the point.
@Esuard Leder gaming has become mainstream. Now I'm ashamed to say I'm a gamer.
As only a dabbler in rendering, I'm still impressed by the headlight reflections in wet pavement, which they've been doing for generations.
The always online nature of this game is kinda a deal breaker for me, i hate it on GT Sport (although multiplayer is the point of that game) and i'm pretty sure i'll hate it on this too. I also hate the size of racing game this day, even Forza Horizon 5 reach 100+ GB and i'm affraid to see how much space i need to provide for this game (plus all the new contents) when i finally get PS5 in 2077
lol Yup you are a gamer.
I don't remember seeing npc's with PS5s in Cyberpunk 2077, I would say maybe around 2177 you'll get your PS5.
The games are gigantic because they are incredibly detailed.
The problem is the hard disk price and the time to download.
Buy the disc….. simple
@@kriever The problem is that this is 2022 and still we cant get as a standar for everyone a 8tb HDD or 2.5TB SSD....i repeat, Standar 50/100$ universal 8TBHDD/2.5SSD
Remember the PlayStation press conference from E3 2013?
Remember how one of the on-screen messages read "Disc based games won't require you to check-in online"?
that offline mode gonna be a problem- I wanna progress offline then appear online
man why online only, do they want people to not buy it
The graphics of the PS2 were really amazing, i mean it had bump mapping/tessellation and everything.
Yeah the jump from PS1 to PS2 was massive.
As far as I know, PS2 doesn't have the hardware to do either bump mapping or tessellation. Having said that, GT3 on PS2 still looks amazing 20+ years on
@@Daniel-bs8wv PS2 did hardware bump mapping, the PS2 is more advanced than people think.
@@foxsux6000 You may be right Mark, but I have yet to see evidence that PS2 could do it. Unless it was very low precision bump mapping that doesn't hold up under scrutiny - which is also likely done through software, not hardware. Certainly nowhere close to the bump mapping achieved on the original XBox.
@@Daniel-bs8wv it's on the google (lol)
I remember buying the first Hooked on Classics album when I was a kid. I recorded it from record to cassette tape and listened to it over and over again. It was a pleasant, nostalgic surprise to hear it play over the first race in this game.
"True to its roots, but also Fresh" The best line that can be said for a driving game.
And what we are all hoping for in Forza Motorsport.
I can’t wait for us to get a Forza that looks even better than GT like usual and is offline without predatory grind and micro transactions, it’ll completely kick GT’s ass and hopefully teach Polyphony a lesson.
Cope. Forza 8 from what has been shown so far looks like trash.
@@shioyoutube9041 how's that going
@@shioyoutube9041 how wrong can you be in a single comment lol
Its such a shame that a masterpiece of a game like GT7 seems to be, is locked over an internet connection... Its so sad man... Why couldnt they let us create 2 types of single player files, one that hould lets us only play offline, and another that hould only let us play online, and everyone could play the way they wanted...
It launched and it looks like shit
you`ll have more fun playing project cars
@@Masckerdoom No it does NOT. The game looks astonishing. You must play on cockpit and no HUD.
@@gamingjay141 some parts look bad and some parts look good I'll give you that
@@gamingjay141 It looks good but it’s not a huge leap over PS4 games, and Forza blows it out of the water. The scummy business decisions are a massive load of rotten icing on the mouldy PS3-based cake.
Kinda shitty that you can't play offline.
Man! I was SO excited about this until you got to part about the online crap. Next thing you know it'll be "subscription" then what? Pay per lap? Oh well... nope.
For the payers ;)
PS2 version of Trial Mountain still looks really good!
GT2 and GT4 are still my favorites. This could have been up there if the single player wasn't locked behind online DRM.
Can't even consider buying this game since it's online only :( what a shame...
Everything was looking good until the end where you say it's online only .. I'm not getting a driving game that requires internet connection to play anytime soon
Man, watching this video makes me want to travel and see the world! But having to always be online is insane. I get it for doing online stuff but good grief, you should be able to do single player/ local multiplayer (is that even possible) without an internet connection!
But they can't force you to buy the new game when the old one is out of service then
@@toddgrant6133 Then I'll pass on this and they lost a sale and I'm betting I'm not the only one. Ridiculous decision devs.
@@theoroinvictus wow, really. That's absurd
It's 2022, if you have a PS5... you obviously have the internet
@@phinch1 I do have internet, never said I didn't. When it comes to gaming I've had 3 rules and it works well for me: 1: don't play F2P games, 2: don't buy 'games as a service' games and 3: don't buy online only games. I hope you enjoy the game and get a ton of fun out of it but for the only reason only, I'll not be buying it.
Okay. So, I cannot play GT7 without a constant internet connection, even if I want to play by myself? How is this OK, especially when I can play offline in the competition's equivalent?
I don't want to sound alarmist, but we know with 100% certainty that Sony WILL shut off access to digital stores and such without remorse. This game shouldn't NEED to be 100% online.
@Andy I don’t mind always on for the right type of game. But a racer isn’t that type of game. I can play 25 year old GT1 in my PS1 right now. I should be able to do the same thing if I have a GT7 disc and a working console.
WE SHOULD PROTEST AGAINST "Online Only " by NOT BUYING THOSE GAMES ANYMORE!! I'm playing on Xbox and I'm with you on this shit DRM!
Every time a new GT comes out I think “This is it, this is the best driving games will ever look, how could it possibly get better than this?” And Polyphony prove me so wrong every time.
Well, Forza has been proving that wrong for a while.
Really????
@@Luci2310 Are you for real? have you not seen the Digital foundry video about Forza7? It comes close yes, but to GT Sport! GT Sport demolishes Forza7 in terms of visual fidelity, of course GT7 is on a whole another level.
If you don't believe me search the digital Foundry video about FM7 VS GT Sport or read the Eurogamer article (which is a transcript of the video).
@@Luci2310 _"And whereas Forza Motorsport 7 goes way beyond the call of duty, GT Sport takes things to a whole new level. Higher polygon counts on incidental detail - right down to in-cabin air vents - show Polyphony's modelling standing up better on the most close-range inspection. Physically-based lighting and material properties are also a cut-above. It's interesting to compare the two cars with identical paint schemes - Forza looks phenomenal, but a little artificial, whereas Gran Turismo's MX-5 sits more naturally within the scene. The more you compare the two titles, the more the difference in lighting makes an impact - it's clearly been an area of intense focus for Polyphony in particular."_
_"Polyphony's extreme standards see its models stand up to the most insane level of scrutiny in a way that Forza's models can't quite match."_
Now, how could a game that's behind GT Sport look close to GT7?
P.S. watch the video to see the difference with your own eyes.
@@urracojalpa4481 and the surroundings seems to Come from Grand rheft auto 3, the cars are beautiful, the racing is very good but i miss quite a lot fun factor un bodyworks, track designs.
The reason behind the Online only nature by Kaz is laughable. It's done to prevent save game modding. I'm not sure about you guys but save game modding hasn't been a thing since PS3/360 era as everything is saved in the cloud now anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong, but save game modding is an untrue excuse for a game to be online only especially when it's a single player focused game.
Ps4 Save Modding is very much possible.
why would they even give a fuck about save game modding? it's the customer's own game, they should able to do whatever they want in singleplayer
@Esuard Leder Correct.
The thing is, when my internetconnection stops, I still would like to play. Seems it's not allowed.
A while ago, I bought Mortal Kombat 11 in a sale.
Didn't knew it was always online.
So I was playing, connection stopped, and I was catapulted to the title screen.
As a response, I deleted the game. Easy as that.
You need to do more research then because there’s a piece of software for PC called save wizard which can mod and resign PS4 save files. And since this game is available on PS4 and has micro transactions it’s a pretty obvious decision
@@StanceSantos fair enough, I wasn't aware that the PS4 saves locally. I imagine that's a PS+ feature.
The online dependency is a deal breaker for me, I won't be buying this game yet unless that changes. I wasted my money on gt sport because of that. I was really excited for this release and it just feels held back because of being a ps4 game as well. I had the most fun and sunk so many hours into gt3 on ps2. I miss those days.
K, bye
Okay if it feels held back to you, then what exactly would be better if it wasn't "held back"
@@drunksquirrel2051identifying with the stick that beats you isn't a flex, bro
@@dankswank9088 So because if there wasn't a PS4 version of the game, suddenly the game wouldn't be online only?
@@dankswank9088 haha yeah, a video game requiring an internet connection is "the stick that beats you"
Dont care how good a game is. I will not buy an always online game. Never have and never will
This is unacceptable. We don't need drm in our games.
It's worse than DRM this is server reliant
@@AzaiaMonota what if the server crashes on launch day with all the traffic?
@@NotoriousRawDogger then nobody plays GT7 that day🤷🏻♂️
i really like how GT7 (GT generally) looks more realistic than FM , FM has best graphics when it comes to Tracks and Effects and better performance overall but i really liKE GT much more and its gameplay is better although im an Xbox Fan
I have always wanted to play GT since I was a kid when I would see them on the GamePro magazines. Now that I have a PS5 this will be my 1st GT experience. I was hesitant to try it out but you sold me. Can’t wait to play it.
Its the real driving simulator!
Nice. Hopefully the single player experience holds up to the previous games. As someone who has been playing since the original I can say the older games still hold up very well and are still a very unique experience. Hoping they port some of the older titles to newer hardware and maybe put out another Tourist Trophy like game.
You will be bored to death. Reply when you play 20 hours.
Can't wait to rent it. Point of correction.
@@candycabngfl I'd rather play a drm free GT6 than this pathetic nonsense of a drm scam. I'm not paying 70 dollars to rent a game.
so basically online only play means your renting the game, cause you don't own it really... that makes no sense.
- WHATS THE USE OF RAY TRACING IF ITS NOT "PLAYABLE" DURING THE RACES?- only for replays-
GT5 and GT6 are completely crippled now because they shut off the servers, especially GT5 which has almost no content without the online events.
Meanwhile GT4 can be enjoyed in all its glory exactly like in 2005, today.
I really despise requiring online, it gives the game an expiration date.
GT5 completely crippled? I've been playing recently on my PS3 and it's very much payable with no online mode.
GT6 works if you disconnect from the internet in PS3 settings
21:42 high-def water splash
Gran Turismo 7 should have launched where everything single player offline being put in a single disc, local multiplayer on a different disc, anything online on a third disc
"Always online", that's a shame... Last year I bought GT6 for the PS3, 8 yearss after it's original release (don't ask why), if someone was to do something like that with GT7 and bought it in 8 years, they probably won't be able to play
Not necessarily. Some companies remove the online requirement with a patch when sunsetting a game.
Bruh..... this is by far the stupidest thing ever said on the internet......the game is somehow disappointing because it requires the internet.......SAID ON THE INTERNET!!!! You and like 7 other people are buying a game 8 years after the game release. 8 years from now GT8 will be out and you'll be on an entirely different console.
Gt6 was so good bruh
@@corey_massey some people don't have stable internet or not internet at all stop defending games
@@corey_massey in a country like mine where internet is always not stable or when I take it on trips to plug it into any tv. This does become a huge pain point mate. I also don't understand why it's necessary
Wait, so even if you're not interested in online gameplay, only the classic campaign you're fucked up if you don't have connection and nobody it's complaining?!?! Wtf?!?!
That scene with the AMG at 7:17 is out of this world
I didn't know the GT Black series was in it👏👏
Thanks for reporting on the online only aspect. I was blindsided by GT sport as I was expecting something akin to gt4 :(
It's all the way downhill as for the Online only / Renting Game part from now on
The online only requirement sadly kills it for me. Truly a shame.
It sounds like this is not a game for you
why when u'd play it fine by the time it could ever become an issue, which also will likely get patched by then, but u'd already be playing gran turismo 10 or later 🤷♂️
@@melxb Gran Turismo 5 was released 2010-11-24 and the servers officially shut down 2014-05-30! So you will only be able to play this game until 2026 and then it will no longer be playable! GT sport also have DRM implementation and was never patched, DRM is simply something the developer want in these games and it litterally breaks the game in a few years.
@@kcbetong3700 good enough by then if they dont i'll have seen everything there is to see from the game and have moved on to gt 8 gt 9 and a new console 🤷♂️
I’ll probably end up getting GT7 out of nostalgia but honestly, I do think games like Forza Horizon took the racing torch and ran with it.
Ran thousands of miles ahead.
Not really a game for car enthusiasts though. They give you any vehicle you want almost immediately. In GT you have to earn them, and they take as much time and care with cars that most people can actually afford in real life. It's like the difference between Fifa and Pro Evo, one is for mindless zombies and the other is for people who appreciate a football sim. Well it was until eFootball came out last year!
@@BraveInstance Then Forza motorsport is more your speed if you want to earn cars.
@@BraveInstance 1. Forza Motorsport exists
2. Pes lol. They went downhill ever since 2020.
@@BraveInstance I don’t like arguing against GT games because I have some great memories playing them. I understand what you mean when you say they’re car enthousiast games, and you’re right. The thing is though, that the car physics in the Forza games feel like a generational leap over the GT games. In Forza the car feels like you’re actually controlling an object that’s moving indepently from the camera that follows it. In GT games the cars feel like they’re stuck to the lens of the camera. It gives an impression like the car is on rails. I can’t describe it any better than that. It just feels off somehow. Also the Horizon games give you this sense of freedom where you’re taking these monsters out of their cages. It’s just so much fun blasting across a freeway in Mexico and meeting other players in their personalised cars. I don’t know man. Gran Turismo games just seem to feel like father time has caught up with them.
I think this game needs to be re-reviewed by all outlets seeing as Sony and PD have changed more than enough of the game AFTER they got it into consumers hands.
It's a garbage tactic that's sadly being pulled more and more these days and their previous Metacritic scores need to reflect what they do.
@JRW they reworked credits earned for certain races and added really high priced mtx. They made it take like 100 hours to get a highest end car.
@JRW They changed the economy repeatedly to make it significantly grindier with reduced credit rewards, and jacked up the price of the microtransactions, and made many of the cars limited time offers to make people want them more, but due to the high cost it’s impossible to legitimately earn most of them as it takes 100 hours of grinding the best tracks to unlock a premium car, or you can just pay the low, low price of FORTY DOLLARS. And that’s only the average for premium cars, they can go up to TWO-HUNDRED DOLLARS. PER CAR. It’s disgustingly scummy, and it gets worse: after they got user-review-bombed down to the lowest rating in PlayStation history, they made the economy more forgiving until a bunch of outlets published stories talking about how the developers listened, but then they made it way worse again to rinse people for more cash.
Thanks for the DRM reminder, not gonna get bully by this price control online only renting business model.
According to Gran Turismo Sport Stats, with the total of 15,547,200 players in GT Sport, 84% had finished 0 Races in Sport mode, that's 13,044,800 of us never played any online Sport Races ever since GT Sports's release.
What is the system that is requiring an online connection? I don't understand why it is requiring to be connected to the internet. This is very upsetting.
Yeah online only games are a full red flag for me, I'm extremely cautious about it, other than that, still immensely enjoyable, bit of a shame there's no ray tracing during gameplay, but I'm guessing performance issues would suffer because of it I guess? Truth be told I'm quite impressed with the weather effects, kinda hope seeing it's an online game we may get more classic tracks like Trial hill, and that beautiful Racing/rally track with that snowy mountain in the background track, I'm kinda hoping there's a 'Players choice Anniversary' kinda thing with the tracks in the future were we get more original tracks, but I'm barely Two hours into it and have no idea if there's more original tracks, I'm actually really hoping, there's some original tracks as DLC in gt sport for the VR mode, trial mountain and some of those rally tracks from GT2, in VR would be super duper sweet, awesome performance review of GT7 I'll be watching that other one too where you compare the PS4 one with the ps5, bit of a curious crispy to see the difference between the 2, well done guys cheers again 👍
If you're saying it's a red flag but still getting the game you're a hypocrite. NEVER support always online games.
@@frankymcjohnson4494 didn't realise till I already had it, no one talked about it and no one said anything about it, if I had known I probably would of never have gotten it, and it's too late to return it now, yeah I got crappy internet but when it decides not to work I'll play other games it just won't be apart of my most played games list, got pretty disappointed when I saw the 'online only' badge on the cover, but these new games that come out they seriously need to say right at the start it's a 'online only' game, otherwise there'll be alot more annoyed, jaded and disappointed gamers out there, next game I'm interested in I'll definitely be asking is does it support online/offline play, what's more annoying about it I pre ordered this awhile ago, got caught up with the excitement of it, I'll be more cautious in the future
10.2 tflops is only so much
Thanks for this good review! I would like to mention that they really did a good job with their music choices! Also, the DualSense is just mind blowing, you can really feel every bump, skid throughout the races, it is really amazing!
Gran Turismo had always been top notch in the music department, it perfectly complements the obsession for detail and stylistic maturity of the game.
Always online?! What a let down.
Sony studios do a fantastic job with photomode in games and replays in Grand Tourismo.
Online required connection... (Cue Scar from Lion King) Hmm, where have I seen this before... ahhh yess, this is the same thing Xbox 1 did before it died.
I always play with the trailing camera behind the car. Just my preference.
There is an odd camera tilt when the car leans through a corner, and I'm not a fan of it.
Yes it is definitely odd
Same here. I prefer Tpp view but in GT Sport and in GT7 is the same shity view.
Why are people worried about 400 cars lmao, I'll always take each car being highly detailed over 800 cars that are not on the same level of quality
Well, I guess 40 of those cars will be Skylines and GT-Rs, either of which I don't care for too much.
@@macsmith2013 The game is literally called GT7 what did you expect lol, but looking at the list. I think they covered a wide variety of cars including some amazing concept supercars too
What's the reason to make it online only? The amount of people that will have a PS5 that can play pirated Games will be very low. That's a shame.
Apparently it's something to do with some motorsport certification that this game and GT Sport before it have. Basically it needs to verify your lap times with the online server. - But _surely_ if that's true, there would have to be _way better ways to approach it_ without cutting off the entire game like this. :(
awesome review showing it is online only an unplayable without connection
I won't pay full price to just rent the game that always have online check and can't be played when the server or internet is down.
“ Projection of shadow looks amazing” I really can see the pixels around the shadow…
Man oh man, this game is gorgeous. I'm not big into cars, but Gran Turismo always impresses non-gamer friends, especially those who love cars in a way I'll never understand. I kept getting more excited throughout the video, until the ball dropped on the online DRM requirement. I don't buy games that do that (don't anyone try to argue with me, I'm not changing my mind). That being said, this might be one exception I make. I'm torn.
We can't blame you for being torn, nor would we hate you for deciding to buy it. That said, getting the game second-hand (either by getting a used physical copy of getting a digital key from a reseller), along with avoiding all microtransactions in the game, would send a very clear message to Sony that you love the game but are unwilling to give them any money for it because of the DRM.
@@dankswank9088 I like this suggestion. I do prefer supporting the devs and publishers when I buy games, but in this case, I think you have a good compromise. It might be what I end up doing.
Bummer about being "online only". Canceling my preorder. Maybe I'll give $20 for it.
I wouldn't even waste $20 on a game I can't own due to being tied to a server. This is something that Free2Play games do.
Been playing the GT series since 5 & 6 on PS3, so many good memories. I stopped when GT6 servers were shut down and haven't touched a console since... I was waiting for GT7, as it was to change that. I was SO onboard - Until the online only aspect. I was going to buy a PS5 just for this game, but not any more. I've waited a long time and I will wait longer to see if PD fixes this in a meaningful way.
Not worth missing out on for that one drawback alone.
Gt8 might come out ten years from now lol
bruh why do you worry so much about being online.. it's the future and that will never change lmao. who the fuck doesn't have internet nowadays
@@MegaItouchhelper "Bruh" have you ever had the internet go down? Ever taken the console away somewhere that doesn't have constant connectivity?
Good grief. End of the world I guess huh
Some people moaned about the 400 cars available at launch not being enough but I'd rather have 400 ridiculously detailed cars across the board instead of 800 less detailed models. Makes you appreciate the time and effort put into every single car even more.
Totally, only negative is that models are from 2017 and below, nothing really brand new from the last 5 years... Apparently
Yes those cars had 8k assets reportedly
400 minus lots and lots of boring cars
@@thomevans3560 I saw a car list online that included Toyota Supra 2020 but overall yeah there aren’t many newer cars.
Bo doubt they will make more cars lateral unless they really stupid
Hope they mention the game becomes a brick without an internet connection.
Yeah don't buy this game if you want it to be a paperweight.
We've seen how fast Polyphony Digital shuts down the GT servers. And even if they patch it out, it will still be on the game disc, so once the PSN servers for PS4/PS5 are pulled down, you won't be able to get the patch that un-drms the game.
That a whole topic on its own, because having gamesaves tied to gamepatch versions is a huge issue given that Sony still does not offer a way to save gamepatches offline or install gamepatches from offline.
And if you uninstall the gamedata to clear way for other games and then, years later, for some reason you can't download the gamepatch from Sony's servers, then all of your gamesaves are useless.
@@you2be839 It's part of their game plan. They know what they're doing.
That internet component is deal-breaker.
So dont buy it all of you whinners, people who dont give a fuck about that will buy the game....millions of them.
You are whats wrong with gaming today then if that's your attitude. This is about not being able to own your game. Once the servers are shut down it becomes a $70 paperweight. You literally won't be able to play the game you bought. Imagine if all your games did this.
You want to not be able to own and replay your games 5 years from now? Do you realize how stupid it looks when you call people a whiner for something so anti consumer?
Makes you look like a bootlicker and an immature punk.
@@amunra1743 mimimi. You sound ridicoulus . I guess you realized gt7 looks hideous compared to forza. And now you dumble down. Sad.
I am just not impressed with the visuals or the always online aspect. The cars look great but the environments are really lacking. They should have spent a bit less time on the cars and more time on environments so the overall quality was more consistent. Ironing out those occasional frame rate issues would be nice too. I may still pick it up but might just wait to see what Forza 8 has to offer. Hopefully it does not suffer in the same ways.
Forza LOL
I'm not gonna lie, constantly hearing "native 4k at 60 is a bit taxing for the hardware" or some version of that statement is a little disconcerting for a system that has an 8k gaming sticker on the box and supposedly can do 120fps. I'm hoping it's just because it's still relatively early in the systems life cycle, an doubly so due to the ps4 hanging around longer than past "last gen" systems. Otherwise it feels like we have been sold a line of crap with this gen if the hardware cant easily do 4k at 60 much less 4k or 8k at 120.
One thing I found jarring was the lack of dust and debris being kicked up.The driver in the video went on a notable excursion at 29.28 and there appeared to be nothing.
That's playstation quality right there. That will be 70 dollars please. What a joke!! DO NOT BUY!
So ur basically renting it until the server closes down :(
Do you remember games for windows live?
Is what encourage piracy
I know it's late but for everyone wondering what is the song at 0:43 => AL1V3 - Daiki Kasho
I'm fine with online only games, there are things you just can't do in an offline game... But this game isn't doing anything that needs to be always online, it's just a few tacked on features that require an internet connection, totally stupid move by Sony/Polyphony here.
@Andy Personlly, I quite enjoyed MAG... An offline mode would have been quite pointless.
The same can be said for other games, especially MMO's.
@@derptyderp5287 I can’t wait for the day people start complaining about MMOs always being online. “What do you mean I can’t play my massively online multiplayer game without an internet connection??”😂
@@derpthegr8689 Neither can I; How awesome would it be to experience Sea of Thieves or World of Warcraft without having to deal with lag, connection drops, or griefers? sign me tf up!
Gran Tursimo 7 is absolutely stunning on PS5 👏👏👏👏
True, would be even better with ray tracing. Sucks that it’s PlayStation exclusive because I only have a ps4 that isn’t worth getting gt7 on
If you can still play on consoles with frame drops in 2024, you are legendary adventurers.
Driveclub still has the best rain on windshield effect
A single player game with mandatory online DRM? No thanks!
I'd buy it if it wasn't online only, same reason I didn't buy GT Sport, having to be always online for a single player mode is never acceptable.
Lol do you not have internet or something
@@zbosh Thats what I love about the people bitching about always online. They're all bitching on Twitter and RUclips. So they must have enough connection to play the game lmao
You live in a 3rd world country bro?
@@pretentiouscameron7815 Just because you are technically capable of connecting to the internet doesn't justify a company needlessly forcing you to do so in order to enjoy a videogame, especially considering that the game is forever held hostage by both the stability of a player's internet connection as well as the inevitable mortality of the servers. You're comment is literally the "you criticize society and yet you participate in it" meme.
On one hand, this was an entertaining, well made video.
OTOH, you could've LED with the "always online" thing, instead of building my hopes up and then blowing them to pieces at the end like that :(
I hope the "online only" gets patched out in the future.
@Esuard Leder how so
@Esuard Leder imagine caring if the game will work in ten years
Let's see if the pathetic scumbags will do so for GT sport
@@TheCreepyArchives Last time I checked, millions of people are still playing Skyrim and Minecraft
Online only? What about the people without a reliable internet connection? This game was ALMOST perfect, atleast for me 😞
I think they put online it because of cloud save modding something like that which everyone abused to get everything in the game, however I do see them putting offline modes
I was smiling brightly throughout this DF analysis...that is, until the mention of an online-only DRM, which ruined everything. That being said, I don’t commit to buying online-only single-player games, and it’s a damn shame for GT7.
Ironic a decade ago they were clowning Don Mattrick and Xbox for this but now their staple franchise from the beginning has this online DRM.
I too never purchased an 'online only' game in my whole gaming life.
Honestly compared to GT Sport and coming from FM7, I expected more visually speaking
this is not worthy to be a PS5 title… it should be called GT Sport 2 and released as a ps4 title.
Says all the people that haven’t even played it yet…..
The way DF sucks Sony, it's different
Having experimented with RT in a handful of other racing games, I'm really not convinced that RT reflections add much to real time game play. A 120 fps frame rate is much more transformative. RT shadows, on the other hand, do make a difference to actual racing and I think they're worth including in real time game play. Would have been nice if we got a 1080p60 mode with RT shadows as an option.
Nice, but hard pass! I don't buy things I don't own and can't use at my discretion.