We got here because we promoted people who don't appreciate art, and don't even have an original genuine identity, you don't need to be part of the culture to understand that, I'm with Tyler on this one.
Yup. I used to get annoyed seeing people share or comment on artists' pages that they don't like. You're literally given them reach WTF are you doing lol
Seriously tho. As an aspiring producer and dj I've been struggling internally to find THAT IDENTITY, whereas it seems so easy to just fake it to make it. Frustrating for small artistist for sure bruther.
@@brayzboi FR, like these people are spitting on the rap culture and seeing it as a quick cash grab and clout. Instead of making actual music, that’s why I am grateful for people like Tyler, earl and Kendrick who actually make good music
No this started to happen when money got involved, and eventually easy access to producing and recording. Then sms promotion Gatekeepers lost power Anyone started rapping and blowing up Labels started chasing and creating vial Sensations Artist devolpement died.
Tyler is probably the best person to talk about the lack of quality of live performances in rap. That’s like Kobe saying NBA players don’t work hard enough.
The average rapper who flexes about chains and cars make albums for the mass appeal, yet none of those albums ever touched an audiences heart in a meaningful and abstract way like Igor did. Igor was one of its kind, and ahead of its time. Tyler deserved mad Grammys for that album alone.
Igor never touched my heart not like Lil Durk Songs or Polo G songs or even King Von songs listening to Don’t Wanna Be Me on magic mushrooms or ecstasy or acid how come these new rappers have touched my heart on drugs but Igor never did? Eminem, Juice WRLD have touched my heart like Tupac and even Hollowman Giggs with songs like The Essence, Little Man & Me, Bring A Message Back.
Whenever a rapper says something about rap or something that's just trending in general, people are always gonna say that person "out of touch" or "looking for attention", and then years later it comes to fruition, and everybody's like "omg he was right!" This cycle has been going on and on and on and ON since the dawn of humanity man, nobody listens
The landscape of music can always improve or decline-this is entirely possible. Dismissing Tyler’s criticism of modern music trends as “just being an old head” is a lazy perspective. In a world that prioritizes image and likeness over artistic ability, and short-form content over long-form, it’s plausible that this could lead to a degradation in music or any form of creativity and entertainment.
almost as if people who are embedded in the industry, culture, and have recent experience and widespread recognition for their efforts have like a vague idea of how shit is
Kendrick said it in "Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe" "I can feel the changes I can feel the new people around me just want to be famous You can see that my city found me Then put me on stages, to me that's amazin' To you that's a quick check With all disrespect, let me say this" He saw it early and warned us. We didn't listen
There still great artists that still appreciate the art. Vince Staples , Anderson Paak , Earl Sweatshirt , JPEG Mafia , Curren$y , Big Krit , Smino , MadLib , Alchemist , Westside Gunn. ( I know there more ) As the consumer you just have to find it
@grvmbinoscott7163 hit the nail on the head. I'll add Pusha T, MF Doom, Del the Funky Homosapien, and more I can't think of. Ooo thread of artist for other to try out and listen?
ngl its funny watching most of the white hiphop “fans” (including this channel) misrepresent or avoid what tyler really said about Ian, cause its really not just about Ians sound being generic, its about his gimmick being a suburban white kid doing what is essentially mocking the Atlanta sound that he has zero actual connection to, to sell back to a majority white audience, essentially saying “hey heres the music you love, but now its coming from a guy that looks and lived just as disconnected from the culture that created it as you are”. Thats why he brought up eminem and mac miller as people he thought had respect for the genre, as they were people who embraced the culture as a whole and never presented it as a parody of entirely different regions they have no connection to. He didnt just say his music was a copy of Gucci and Futures, he said that it was weird that he went so hard marketing himself as a suburban white guy with no real connection to the music he was making and I think that makes the suburban white consumers with no connection to the cultures they consume uncomfortable to think about
@@BeenBenjiplease explain how tyler the creator built his career off of parodying artists, cause to act like tyler the creator did the same shit as Ian on the comeup might be the most delusional shit Ive ever read
@@BeenBenjiomg yeah dude a joke radio freestyle is totally the exact same thing as building your entire career parodying 2013 Future songs while marketing yourself as a “normal looking” white guy to an audience of surbanintes, you sure proved that point. Tyler the creator famously, was only known for that radio freestyle from 11 years ago and never presented an authentic reflection in his music, you got me.
I'm not the biggest Tyler fan in the world, but I got to respect the hell out of him for doing this. Not all modern hip hop is horrible and there are some artist who take a great amount of time to perfect their craft, like Tyler, but I really don't see how most people could disagree with him.
Yeah he's not shitting on everyone, I heard him more pleaing. In the interview he talks a lot about how much rap meant to him growing up. The depth of the lyrics and the compassion for the track. I dont think Tyler minds new wacky shit. But when you are making music for your wallet and not the people it shows
Js mfs havin fun I don’t see nothin wrong wit that, at the end of the day we’re all gonna die at some point, instead of caring about what others say js do what u want and have fun. I see nothing wrong with meme rap look at Yuno Miles that stuff is funny asf lmao
@@heyysmearoYuno Miles isn't meme rap. He's comedy rap, is exceptionally good at what he does, and has a genuine talent for understanding the pulse of culture and humor overall. He puts a lot of passion and effort and thought into his comedy. He was doing this way before he got famous and was always part of the comedy/humor online community. Meme rap is completely different. Meme rap is low quality rap that is made specifically for the purpose of exploiting algorithms in order to obtain popularity that is driven by a financial incentive rather than a genuine intent to make quality art in a given genre.
@@musicthemusicalperson4316but what I hate the most is rappers like ice spice who get famous off of advertising their body instead of actually making good music, and people actually eat that shit up 💀
@@heyysmearookay you got like 10 comments on this defending culture vulture. So you his manager or you a suburban white kid that likes that someone that looks like you is saying what you wish you could say
I am with Tyler all the way. Not even because I’m a die hard fan he’s right, everyone is the same, everyone around me in school is the same someone needs to be different and Tyler is just trying to keep the real reason people make music alive not to be funny but to tell stories or give stories imagery.
That's because people put on a mask to act normal around strangers, i can assure you you do it too. A friend should act like themselves around you, and if they don't you need a real friend lmao
@@yesyesyesyesyesyes2021 the point of the comment was to be myself no matter who i’m talking to or nothing and i don’t rlly have a lot of friends not bc i can’t make friends it’s just i don’t want a lot of friends
@@rrameilyeah, you can try that all you want but evb puts on a normal mask, idk if this sounds edgy I'm not trying to make it that, it's on a spectrum though, you might not alter yourself as much as a person with social anxiety, but you still act normal in a way, even if it's just copying the way your dad walks bc to you, his walk is normal
Bro I get you have to stretch out a video but for the first two minutes you kept saying the same thing in different ways. I was like get to the f’ing point already
@@DaddyT21 No he didn't he literally took Odd Future on tour with him. Eminem's only problem with Tyler was Tyler's criticism of his album. Even that beef has been squashed I think
He wasn’t talk about the same thing Tyler was talking bout. He just regurgitated the same old “Mumble rap = bad” arguments that you hear from every band geek who doesn’t even listen to rap.
@@jacketelmascaradepollo3704 I don't really get Tyler's point, yes the music industry when you view it from the top is filled with lazy artists, hip-hop still has many talented artists with actual fanbases who love their craft. I know tyler is just frustrated with the scene rn but he's trying to diss something that won't go away. Lazy people have and will always take their shot at popularity the difference now being that they have a platform. my bad for yapping nothingness
@@iheartdeathgrips But heres the thing it's your perspective we don't know if the Artist cares for the art unless we see them take action for example Ice spice did she ever make a song without showing off her cooch or singing about her cooch or anything involving cooch the thing is we can criticize the Artist unless they care for their art and take action ,not for the money but for the art.
@@iheartdeathgripsyeah, his issue is more with us, as you said, the lazy people won't stop trying to exploit trends to get to the top, but it's us that get them there, we are the ones that filled the scenes with people who only have eyes for money instead of people with a real passion for music
Not true. He was beefin with wiz Khalifa and Bruno mars and both artists went on to have some of the biggest songs of all time. He’s more musician than rapper these days anyway. Beefin doesn’t fit his brand, it kind of never has.
He’s not “shitting” on Ian necessarily. Tyler is just saying that people often turn heads for an artist that doesn’t make music for the love of it (but rather make it the profit) but not for artists that puts their life into their craft. Most rappers bite who or whatever they see is trending in order to make some quick bucks, and that’s where the problem is.
I absolutely agree with Tyler! This new generations of artists treat the art like a popularity contest. No passion, no purpose, just money, fame and, clout.
It’s not the artist that are cookie cutter. It’s the industry! They know business and numbers. But, know nothing about music, and it’s always been like this!
No its not always been like this, people like lil wayne, 2 pac, and biggie knew number and yet still made art that was theirs, these people in this new world are just kinda stupid and don't quite see how important it is to make art the comes from you, thats why they don't sell
More rappers need to understand Tyler, the Creator’s style. He may be doing something unconventional, but that’s what makes him one of the greatest rappers/producers to ever hold a mic. Tyler is not only rapping about something meaningful, but abstract. Take Igor, for example. No one has ever done anything like that before. When it came out, people thought it was “strange”. What people failed to see, was that Tyler was trying to stray away from the traditional rap scene where dudes talk about chains and cars. He did something meaningful. He deserved the Grammy that he got.
@@yesyesyesyesyesyes2021 are you saying Tyler, especially new tyler, is old school music? Like Igor,CMIYGL, FLOWER BOY, and heck even wolf are old school? Can't see whst your saying here brotha. Hope you change your opinion
The old heads should have done more mentoring. Plus every few years rap/hip-hop changes. And it's gonna change again I give 2-3 more years it'll change
don't take this the wrong way. but i've been saying this same shit to everyone with ears FOR YEARS. im just not tyler, and i have no platform or fame rn. but like clap for this nigga 👏🏽👏🏽 the braveness, the passion, and the love this guy has for music and the craft itself as an art over business is admiring.
Igor is one of the most abstract, brilliant works of art I have ever listened to. Honestly, I believe that Tyler is way above every other artist and deserves way more Grammys.
I don’t think album sales are spiraling, I don’t even think the audience is as tone deaf as media or artist think we are. Drake, Justin Bieber, Nicki Minaj, Taylor swift, drake, future, playboi carti, lil uzi, Billie eilish, Sza, Kodak black, summer walker, none of them have a hard time selling tickets or albums. The common denominator?? They give good shows they’re consistent and most importantly they’ve all put out timeless music. The fans aren’t dumb we listen to the “meme” music because it’s what being thrust upon us, but it doesn’t make it past social media fans have options and we spend our money on quality. You release quality work you get paid for it that’s been the case and it always will be.
I wholeheartedly agree with Tyler in his stance , and I really hope and pray that he continues to stand FIRM in his boundaries, beliefs , and morals regardless of the naysayers , and doesn’t sell out to fit the mold or AGENDA of what the industry wants, which is a quick buck obviously. He’s unique (even in his OFWGKTA era) , and that’s why he’s dearly admirable and appreciated. I just hope he’s not in ANY way silenced for speaking out and living his truth. Kudos to T ! 🎉
Somebody has to speak up. Ice Spice's music is just immature. She can have fans, but for ger to be considered one of the top female rappers of this era is ridiculous.
Tyler is right, comparing hip hop a few years ago to now is a huge difference, rap has gotten so much less passionate over the span of like 5 years,it used to be dozens of amazing (now classic) albums being dropped in the same year, we don’t have that anymore.
People are calling him "bitter and out of touch"? Doesnt that sound like what Eminem said people will do the SECOND you say something people dont agree with? He tried to tell everybody and now Tyler is doing the same thing and apparently is being treated the same. Sad fuckin climate we living in.
He's giving a synopsis of the vid for all the attention deficits out there. You can tell in under two minutes whether you want to know more or not. It's quite useful.
Tyler is right. I'm surprised he doesn't seem to mention TikTok anywhere in the quote, because that is what these "artists" are going for. Ever since TikTok became the new way to try to break new music, everything is brain rot.
Theirs still good music and drugs proves that you don’t understand if you ain’t took acid or magic mushrooms and tripped balls and listened to any rapper never mind all the shit I’ve listened to or watched on drugs
@@Kuhmodo because of the labels lol. The labels pushed Sexy Red to us for example. We wouldnt give af about her if they weren't the catalyst. People are stupid and just play into it but it starts wit the label.
Thank you Tyler for speaking up about this !! I’ve been feeling this way about hip hop since 2017 and i didn’t think it would get this washed down and bad as it is now ! This might be a big shift in the music scene because of this interview
He’s right tho especially in different subgenres of hip hop like NY Drill everyone be tryna have these deep ahh voices and say the same BS about spinning the block and killing their opps this is why NY Drill died after Pop Smoke died, he was different then the rest as well as artists like Sheff G & Sleepy Hallow
Wild because there was a period of time where Tyler’s old work was seen as gimmicky trendy and for shock value only, and when you look back at it yeah it for sure was but the difference is that Tyler grew up and became an actual artist which is what none of these modern rappers will ever be able to accomplish
The reason why I love listening to metal so much is because of the amount of freedom and creativity everyone has. It’s really sad to see how a lot of up and coming rappers are just products or memes.
The thing is he has always had this stance. If you check earlier interviews he says this as well. He just double downed and now the shoe fits more people
I gave up on mainstream hip hop a while ago. My problem is with the underground. Since the SC era, artists from the underground were doing things that had never been done, pushing the genre forward. Might not sound like a big deal now, but Yachty sampling Rugrats was insane back in 2015. And no one has been able to carry the torch since Peep, X and Juice - Kid Laroi was the “emo” rapper and he went pop (no surprise, his dad is a corporate executive in the music industry). There was so much stuff going on before the pandemic. The underground is in a weird spot. We have artists like Carti, Ken Carson, Lone and Yeat pushing rage while artists like Lucki and Kankan are pushing cloud rap forward. But the underground as a whole is just copy and pasting their blueprints. I’m tired of hearing all these rappers on a Ken Carson type beat. Ian and Osamason are so lame for cloning Yeat and Ken respectively. Idk, that’s my issue at least. With streaming and songs going viral on social media, I think mainstream hip hop is never coming back from being commercial. Too many artists just don’t care about their music being culturally significant anymore or creating music that represents their unique perspective on life. The audience doesn’t care anymore either. “Give me short and digestible content on every relevant topic” you can’t make art if people just want to hear a song that they can clip for TikTok before scrolling up to see whatever else is on their algorithms. Unfortunately, that’s just where the money is now. People aren’t buying albums or going to shows like they used to.
He's not wrong,most these new rappers from 2022 to now are sickening, tik tok been making it even worse, the SoundCloud era was peak everybody was just tryna have fun and still release quality and lively music,now it's just bland, only rappers like gunna, future, Roddy ricch and some other rappers still dropping heat.
I used to only listen to rappers like travis scott, 21 savage, and kanye west but then my friend introduced me to tylers music and it truly changed my life because hes a prime example of how you dont have to fit in society to be successful
I think it’s really weird that people are using this interview to attack a lot of female rappers like Sexyy red and ice spice and even a queer rapper like lil nas X. Tyler clearly wasn’t talking about artist who are shocking but artists who lack artistry. Anyone invested in hip hop can see the difference between ice spice and someone like Ian. Even is ice spice isn’t amazing her work ethic and investment in rap is clear, same with Sexyy red and lil nas X and many other rappers who are being attacked due to the misinterpretation of this interview. I think Tyler would happily collaborate with Sexyy red or ice spice due to their authenticity but artists like lil dicky and Ian who actively disrespect an art for he loves get criticism.
@@ThePhreakass Yeah, and people say the same for Ye, a lot. It's because of their appeal and uniqueness. Also, you know that most rappers say that either Eminem or 2Pac is the greatest of all time, right?
Thanks for making this video. I think what tyler said is true in all works of art and production. Like it can even be seen with RUclips videos about this topic. Alot of RUclips videos just hafe the first vlip of Tyler calling out ian, and then nothing else. They're just hating without understanding what he was talking about
You can go back even further when Nas said Hip Hop is dead. Artist tried to come for him. New artist are struggling but older artist are thriving. Rap isn't dead. The new artist aren't pushing the culture forward but the older artist are keeping it afloat
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Tyler called it. He said that this would be the only thing that was pulled from his interview.
That’s the first thing I thought when I clicked this video lol
Me too 😅@@fundude6127
Because who cares about him otherwise, he was big in like 2010
@@chiquita683 He's literally one of the top artists in hip-hop right now.
@@chiquita683 You must be stuck in 2010 with that mindset
We got here because we promoted people who don't appreciate art, and don't even have an original genuine identity, you don't need to be part of the culture to understand that, I'm with Tyler on this one.
Yup. I used to get annoyed seeing people share or comment on artists' pages that they don't like. You're literally given them reach WTF are you doing lol
Facts, still don’t understand how Ice spice got popular since she look like the disco zombie from plants vs zombies
Seriously tho. As an aspiring producer and dj I've been struggling internally to find THAT IDENTITY, whereas it seems so easy to just fake it to make it. Frustrating for small artistist for sure bruther.
@@brayzboi FR, like these people are spitting on the rap culture and seeing it as a quick cash grab and clout. Instead of making actual music, that’s why I am grateful for people like Tyler, earl and Kendrick who actually make good music
No this started to happen when money got involved, and eventually easy access to producing and recording. Then sms promotion
Gatekeepers lost power
Anyone started rapping and blowing up
Labels started chasing and creating vial Sensations
Artist devolpement died.
Tyler is probably the best person to talk about the lack of quality of live performances in rap. That’s like Kobe saying NBA players don’t work hard enough.
Facts
Every song that he makes is a SONG. It’s not a vibe it’s not a turn up it’s a calculated well orchestrated song.
It’s genius level shit.
The average rapper who flexes about chains and cars make albums for the mass appeal, yet none of those albums ever touched an audiences heart in a meaningful and abstract way like Igor did. Igor was one of its kind, and ahead of its time. Tyler deserved mad Grammys for that album alone.
you're just yapping rappers just make music for vibes lmao
@@SEXlSDEATHgive me 1 meaning that whole lotta red has
@@hxmiigd5475 sorry, wrong comment! never mind!
@@hxmiigd5475 Rage . that's all
Igor never touched my heart not like Lil Durk Songs or Polo G songs or even King Von songs listening to Don’t Wanna Be Me on magic mushrooms or ecstasy or acid how come these new rappers have touched my heart on drugs but Igor never did? Eminem, Juice WRLD have touched my heart like Tupac and even Hollowman Giggs with songs like The Essence, Little Man & Me, Bring A Message Back.
Whenever a rapper says something about rap or something that's just trending in general, people are always gonna say that person "out of touch" or "looking for attention", and then years later it comes to fruition, and everybody's like "omg he was right!"
This cycle has been going on and on and on and ON since the dawn of humanity man, nobody listens
Fr all the rappers in 500 B.C.E. Were speaking facts but the Israelites didn’t listen 😢
Dawn of time is right. It's called Cassandra's Curse. To be able to tell the truth in prediction and not being believed.
The landscape of music can always improve or decline-this is entirely possible. Dismissing Tyler’s criticism of modern music trends as “just being an old head” is a lazy perspective. In a world that prioritizes image and likeness over artistic ability, and short-form content over long-form, it’s plausible that this could lead to a degradation in music or any form of creativity and entertainment.
I hear him just fine. Seems like you do too, so there's at least two somebodies out there also recognize the hegemonic bullshit.
almost as if people who are embedded in the industry, culture, and have recent experience and widespread recognition for their efforts have
like
a vague idea of how shit is
Kendrick said it in "Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe"
"I can feel the changes
I can feel the new people around me just want to be famous
You can see that my city found me
Then put me on stages, to me that's amazin'
To you that's a quick check
With all disrespect, let me say this"
He saw it early and warned us. We didn't listen
There still great artists that still appreciate the art.
Vince Staples , Anderson Paak , Earl Sweatshirt , JPEG Mafia , Curren$y , Big Krit , Smino , MadLib , Alchemist , Westside Gunn. ( I know there more ) As the consumer you just have to find it
@grvmbinoscott7163 hit the nail on the head.
I'll add Pusha T, MF Doom, Del the Funky Homosapien, and more I can't think of. Ooo thread of artist for other to try out and listen?
@@grvmbinoscott7163 i bump to everyone of these artists lmaooo
@@grvmbinoscott7163All of thrm are great but thry sadly arent mainstream
@@grvmbinoscott7163billy woods bro, and Armand hammer and elucid of course. Billy woods' the goat, period.
ngl its funny watching most of the white hiphop “fans” (including this channel) misrepresent or avoid what tyler really said about Ian, cause its really not just about Ians sound being generic, its about his gimmick being a suburban white kid doing what is essentially mocking the Atlanta sound that he has zero actual connection to, to sell back to a majority white audience, essentially saying “hey heres the music you love, but now its coming from a guy that looks and lived just as disconnected from the culture that created it as you are”. Thats why he brought up eminem and mac miller as people he thought had respect for the genre, as they were people who embraced the culture as a whole and never presented it as a parody of entirely different regions they have no connection to. He didnt just say his music was a copy of Gucci and Futures, he said that it was weird that he went so hard marketing himself as a suburban white guy with no real connection to the music he was making and I think that makes the suburban white consumers with no connection to the cultures they consume uncomfortable to think about
But it’s hypocritical coming from him a guy who used to do the exact same thing
@@BeenBenjiplease explain how tyler the creator built his career off of parodying artists, cause to act like tyler the creator did the same shit as Ian on the comeup might be the most delusional shit Ive ever read
@@jmarq753 then what’s this all about ruclips.net/user/shortsVgX0pjvotGI?si=U9Dv1pKt4aZAlsL- 😂he literally making fun of og gansta rappers
@@BeenBenjiomg yeah dude a joke radio freestyle is totally the exact same thing as building your entire career parodying 2013 Future songs while marketing yourself as a “normal looking” white guy to an audience of surbanintes, you sure proved that point. Tyler the creator famously, was only known for that radio freestyle from 11 years ago and never presented an authentic reflection in his music, you got me.
@@jmarq753ey man I try bro have a nice day 😂
I'm not the biggest Tyler fan in the world, but I got to respect the hell out of him for doing this. Not all modern hip hop is horrible and there are some artist who take a great amount of time to perfect their craft, like Tyler, but I really don't see how most people could disagree with him.
Yeah he's not shitting on everyone, I heard him more pleaing. In the interview he talks a lot about how much rap meant to him growing up. The depth of the lyrics and the compassion for the track. I dont think Tyler minds new wacky shit. But when you are making music for your wallet and not the people it shows
@@NikRsmn Yep, I'm surprised I was able to get through one song on Y2K.
@@JamesTiernan-fx3to i'm honestly more surprised that fantano gave it a 5, though tbh he's been out of touch for a while now tbf
@@isuck6049 He's fantano, 80% of the time he has some of the worst takes in music, not just rap.
This was actually a very decent and transparent interview. Tyler just seems passionate.
Mumble rap was one thing but meme rap is the absolute worst 😪
Js mfs havin fun I don’t see nothin wrong wit that, at the end of the day we’re all gonna die at some point, instead of caring about what others say js do what u want and have fun. I see nothing wrong with meme rap look at Yuno Miles that stuff is funny asf lmao
@@heyysmearoYuno Miles isn't meme rap. He's comedy rap, is exceptionally good at what he does, and has a genuine talent for understanding the pulse of culture and humor overall. He puts a lot of passion and effort and thought into his comedy. He was doing this way before he got famous and was always part of the comedy/humor online community. Meme rap is completely different. Meme rap is low quality rap that is made specifically for the purpose of exploiting algorithms in order to obtain popularity that is driven by a financial incentive rather than a genuine intent to make quality art in a given genre.
@@musicthemusicalperson4316but what I hate the most is rappers like ice spice who get famous off of advertising their body instead of actually making good music, and people actually eat that shit up 💀
@@heyysmearookay you got like 10 comments on this defending culture vulture. So you his manager or you a suburban white kid that likes that someone that looks like you is saying what you wish you could say
bro can’t accept yuno miles is a meme rapper.
“Yuno miles isn’t meme rap, he’s comedy rap”
The difference being…..?
Honestly, RayyJayy is too underrated
He set trends
@@Misguided97 true
its not about following "trends" y'all got it all wrong, its about being yourself and appreciating the art form music creation provides.
@@adan1of1I think that would also fit in with following trends since that would also take away from individuality
@@adan1of1 "I created OF cause I feel we're more talented than 40 y o rappers talking bout gucci"
Damn Tyler being the voice of reason is crazy lol
*why are you surprised ? He’s literally an artist not just a rapper*
I'm not surprised, he's had many refreshing takes
@@gaianoir8912early
Do you not want good music?
Not really he's been saying this for years.
I didn't even know you could actually listen to a Ice Spice music video. She stays on mute
She makes music?
Only way people listen to it is with a box of tissues and lotion
You win the internet today 😂
and zoomed to fill 😂
Yall are the reason why she thinks she's the shit, when she's not even the fart 😂😂
Funny because he's not even out of touch you doing better than most rappers mainstream wise
I am with Tyler all the way. Not even because I’m a die hard fan he’s right, everyone is the same, everyone around me in school is the same someone needs to be different and Tyler is just trying to keep the real reason people make music alive not to be funny but to tell stories or give stories imagery.
That's because people put on a mask to act normal around strangers, i can assure you you do it too. A friend should act like themselves around you, and if they don't you need a real friend lmao
@@yesyesyesyesyesyes2021 the point of the comment was to be myself no matter who i’m talking to or nothing and i don’t rlly have a lot of friends not bc i can’t make friends it’s just i don’t want a lot of friends
@@rrameilyeah, you can try that all you want but evb puts on a normal mask, idk if this sounds edgy I'm not trying to make it that, it's on a spectrum though, you might not alter yourself as much as a person with social anxiety, but you still act normal in a way, even if it's just copying the way your dad walks bc to you, his walk is normal
Bro I get you have to stretch out a video but for the first two minutes you kept saying the same thing in different ways. I was like get to the f’ing point already
Annoying when someone doesn't respect others time.
Honestly it felt like AI I couldn't tell if it was human speaking or not. Idk new age shit is wild
Bro Fluent in Yapanese.
😂😂😂
You new to the channel? He loves wasting peoples time
Eminem was called a hater for calling out the new generation of rappers
Em has been saying that forever. He said the same about Tyler
@@DaddyT21 No he didn't he literally took Odd Future on tour with him. Eminem's only problem with Tyler was Tyler's criticism of his album. Even that beef has been squashed I think
He wasn’t talk about the same thing Tyler was talking bout. He just regurgitated the same old “Mumble rap = bad” arguments that you hear from every band geek who doesn’t even listen to rap.
@@HOOOPLAAAaa mumble rap is still shite tho
@@MZRTMusic254 Mumble rap isn’t real, limey
New rappers are content creators that rap a bit.
Ian is the biggest culture vulture right now
i thought he was talking about ian too
How he literally acts like himself ??
@@BeenBenji”acting like himself” meanwhile bro using a blaccent in every song
@@wusgoodie7498^
Who is Ian
"how tyler destroyed every new rapper"
boy slow down he just posted a statement about what he felt 😭
cringe
Is he wrong tho?
@@jacketelmascaradepollo3704 I don't really get Tyler's point, yes the music industry when you view it from the top is filled with lazy artists, hip-hop still has many talented artists with actual fanbases who love their craft. I know tyler is just frustrated with the scene rn but he's trying to diss something that won't go away. Lazy people have and will always take their shot at popularity the difference now being that they have a platform.
my bad for yapping nothingness
@@iheartdeathgrips But heres the thing it's your perspective we don't know if the Artist cares for the art unless we see them take action for example Ice spice did she ever make a song without showing off her cooch or singing about her cooch or anything involving cooch the thing is we can criticize the Artist unless they care for their art and take action ,not for the money but for the art.
@@iheartdeathgripsyeah, his issue is more with us, as you said, the lazy people won't stop trying to exploit trends to get to the top, but it's us that get them there, we are the ones that filled the scenes with people who only have eyes for money instead of people with a real passion for music
Ya people need to realize if Tyler was wanting to beef (which he never will be) he’d literally destroy everyone lol his style is perfect for it
They not ready for the goblin lol
Not true. He was beefin with wiz Khalifa and Bruno mars and both artists went on to have some of the biggest songs of all time. He’s more musician than rapper these days anyway. Beefin doesn’t fit his brand, it kind of never has.
@@vinsanity3510 yep
@@vinsanity3510except DJ Khalid 😂
He didnt even beef with khaled, khaled folded under zero pressure and tyler made fun of him for it@@pronuisance
Rip Mac miller man
Mac Miller is garbage
if someone's opinion on music we should respect that's Tyler's.
I think some other rappers on the hip hop landscape are J Cole, 3 Stacks and Nas
@@Mxgenta maybe, i was just talking about Tyler's music knowledge, the dude is a walking enciclopedia
@@hectorlagos8937 facts
Tommy Richman is doing the right thing in the music industry. Like Tyler, he’s focusing on his music.
nowadays, most "musicians" make shalow music for shallow people who are being fed with content by those algorithms. consumerism peaking
He’s not “shitting” on Ian necessarily. Tyler is just saying that people often turn heads for an artist that doesn’t make music for the love of it (but rather make it the profit) but not for artists that puts their life into their craft. Most rappers bite who or whatever they see is trending in order to make some quick bucks, and that’s where the problem is.
I despise tiktok and what it did to hiphop.
As a fellow user of ChatGPT, This dude really read word for word what it had to say lmao
Idk. This seems like his typical writing style.
I absolutely agree with Tyler! This new generations of artists treat the art like a popularity contest. No passion, no purpose, just money, fame and, clout.
6:05 last three? Every album.
Fax! I missed out on Tyler when he first came out then 2017ish randomly started listening and said this is pure heart in Art 🎨
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First rule of hip hop don’t bite
Agree
Human beings, not machine. Tyler truly loves music.
It’s not the artist that are cookie cutter. It’s the industry! They know business and numbers. But, know nothing about music, and it’s always been like this!
No its not always been like this, people like lil wayne, 2 pac, and biggie knew number and yet still made art that was theirs, these people in this new world are just kinda stupid and don't quite see how important it is to make art the comes from you, thats why they don't sell
More rappers need to understand Tyler, the Creator’s style. He may be doing something unconventional, but that’s what makes him one of the greatest rappers/producers to ever hold a mic. Tyler is not only rapping about something meaningful, but abstract. Take Igor, for example. No one has ever done anything like that before. When it came out, people thought it was “strange”. What people failed to see, was that Tyler was trying to stray away from the traditional rap scene where dudes talk about chains and cars. He did something meaningful. He deserved the Grammy that he got.
He's not doing anything unconventional this is just old school style in the modern era lol
@@yesyesyesyesyesyes2021 are you saying Tyler, especially new tyler, is old school music? Like Igor,CMIYGL, FLOWER BOY, and heck even wolf are old school? Can't see whst your saying here brotha. Hope you change your opinion
The old heads should have done more mentoring. Plus every few years rap/hip-hop changes. And it's gonna change again I give 2-3 more years it'll change
Tyler The creator is one of those rappers who doesn't follow trends. He just sets his own and projects are always bangers
When you grow up loving the art and valuing the roots of hip hop, you see 100% of what Tyler is saying
don't take this the wrong way. but i've been saying this same shit to everyone with ears FOR YEARS. im just not tyler, and i have no platform or fame rn.
but like clap for this nigga 👏🏽👏🏽 the braveness, the passion, and the love this guy has for music and the craft itself as an art over business is admiring.
Igor is one of the most abstract, brilliant works of art I have ever listened to. Honestly, I believe that Tyler is way above every other artist and deserves way more Grammys.
You should listen to more music then
@@HOOOPLAAAaa you should learn what a opinion is then
@@DoghamProductions This ain’t a good one
@@HOOOPLAAAaa ...still an opinion
@@DoghamProductions Nobody’s disagreeing with that
Tyler a king
He ain’t tell one lie 💯💯
I don’t think album sales are spiraling, I don’t even think the audience is as tone deaf as media or artist think we are. Drake, Justin Bieber, Nicki Minaj, Taylor swift, drake, future, playboi carti, lil uzi, Billie eilish, Sza, Kodak black, summer walker, none of them have a hard time selling tickets or albums. The common denominator?? They give good shows they’re consistent and most importantly they’ve all put out timeless music. The fans aren’t dumb we listen to the “meme” music because it’s what being thrust upon us, but it doesn’t make it past social media fans have options and we spend our money on quality. You release quality work you get paid for it that’s been the case and it always will be.
I wholeheartedly agree with Tyler in his stance , and I really hope and pray that he continues to stand FIRM in his boundaries, beliefs , and morals regardless of the naysayers , and doesn’t sell out to fit the mold or AGENDA of what the industry wants, which is a quick buck obviously. He’s unique (even in his OFWGKTA era) , and that’s why he’s dearly admirable and appreciated. I just hope he’s not in ANY way silenced for speaking out and living his truth. Kudos to T ! 🎉
Somebody has to speak up. Ice Spice's music is just immature. She can have fans, but for ger to be considered one of the top female rappers of this era is ridiculous.
tbf i have never heard anyone call her that
When people were saying that in 2017. When all the SoundCloud rappers started to turn up, they were called an old head and a hater. Pot meet kettle
4:06 super lazy
She has more money then you’ll ever have
I've been saying the same about Ian
I think im gonna stick to not caring about the mainstream and listening to trap metal artists no one knows about
any recs?
Who else had "Who dat boy" playing in there head when they saw Tyler on the thumbnail?😂😂
We questioning the landscape of hip hop every Tuesday fr
No drama at all
Tyler just saying and speaking the truth.
Told my homie, “This foo got famous off a meme song before he even considered himself an artist” 😂😂😂
Huh
@@fundude6127 tyler got famous off yonkers and he said that song was a meme based off new york music, foo wasn’t even an “artist” at the time.
Tyler is right, comparing hip hop a few years ago to now is a huge difference, rap has gotten so much less passionate over the span of like 5 years,it used to be dozens of amazing (now classic) albums being dropped in the same year, we don’t have that anymore.
People are calling him "bitter and out of touch"? Doesnt that sound like what Eminem said people will do the SECOND you say something people dont agree with? He tried to tell everybody and now Tyler is doing the same thing and apparently is being treated the same. Sad fuckin climate we living in.
Exactly and now they're calling his music garbage because they literally have no taste 😭. It is ridiculous.
Video starts at 1:15
man let him have his intro
Mrhippo probably watching on his iPad drinking from their sippy cup. Impatient ass.
He's giving a synopsis of the vid for all the attention deficits out there. You can tell in under two minutes whether you want to know more or not. It's quite useful.
@@juanita-dark ok
@@mrHippo-ln6gidude thank you for the comment
Tyler is right.
I'm surprised he doesn't seem to mention TikTok anywhere in the quote, because that is what these "artists" are going for. Ever since TikTok became the new way to try to break new music, everything is brain rot.
Yeah man. Save hip hop. The majority of music for AT LEAST the last 10yrs been regurgitated mind numbing trash.
Theirs still good music and drugs proves that you don’t understand if you ain’t took acid or magic mushrooms and tripped balls and listened to any rapper never mind all the shit I’ve listened to or watched on drugs
It's the fault of the labels ultimately
Labels + Us. We still give engagement and reach to the wrong people.
@@Kuhmodo because of the labels lol. The labels pushed Sexy Red to us for example. We wouldnt give af about her if they weren't the catalyst. People are stupid and just play into it but it starts wit the label.
@@keejay12 I mean, I don't support this but that's quite literally the point of a label
@@Kuhmodo True.
Thank you Tyler for speaking up about this !! I’ve been feeling this way about hip hop since 2017 and i didn’t think it would get this washed down and bad as it is now ! This might be a big shift in the music scene because of this interview
He’s right tho especially in different subgenres of hip hop like NY Drill everyone be tryna have these deep ahh voices and say the same BS about spinning the block and killing their opps this is why NY Drill died after Pop Smoke died, he was different then the rest as well as artists like Sheff G & Sleepy Hallow
90s kids BEEN saying that! We as fans need to start demanding higher barriers to entry into the hip hop space and going back to having skills
Title is slightly clickbait but still overall I enjoyed the video
Finally, a thumbnail without Drake
Wild because there was a period of time where Tyler’s old work was seen as gimmicky trendy and for shock value only, and when you look back at it yeah it for sure was but the difference is that Tyler grew up and became an actual artist which is what none of these modern rappers will ever be able to accomplish
Tyler is soooooo real for this he's about everything
#Neptune rules #Music & Neptune (along with #Jupiter) rules #Pisces 🎶🎵🎹🎼
Luv u for *this sound logic* voiced publicly #TylertheCreator ♓
i’m pretty sure he was just talking about Lil Mabu and co
Trends be changing. Rappers growing old, young rappers becoming the new.
90s rappers called out new rappers back then. The cycle continues.
The reason why I love listening to metal so much is because of the amount of freedom and creativity everyone has. It’s really sad to see how a lot of up and coming rappers are just products or memes.
"It's not funny anymore, try different jokes"
Soundcloud era 2?
Finally a video not about Drake
Tyler has become an old head. I didn't think I'd live to see the day.
Right now every upcoming male & female rappers tryna be the better Artists than the other
In Tyler we trust 🫡
Tyler never followed trends. Even in his early era
Unc forgot to take his meds😭✌🏾
Bro single handedly defeated Dj Khalid I think he knows what he’s talking about
Music today is more about how to promote yourself than how to make actual good music and creating an own sound
Calling tyler out of touch with the trends is crazy guy is litteraly outside the boundaries
The thing is he has always had this stance. If you check earlier interviews he says this as well. He just double downed and now the shoe fits more people
I gave up on mainstream hip hop a while ago. My problem is with the underground. Since the SC era, artists from the underground were doing things that had never been done, pushing the genre forward. Might not sound like a big deal now, but Yachty sampling Rugrats was insane back in 2015. And no one has been able to carry the torch since Peep, X and Juice - Kid Laroi was the “emo” rapper and he went pop (no surprise, his dad is a corporate executive in the music industry). There was so much stuff going on before the pandemic.
The underground is in a weird spot. We have artists like Carti, Ken Carson, Lone and Yeat pushing rage while artists like Lucki and Kankan are pushing cloud rap forward. But the underground as a whole is just copy and pasting their blueprints. I’m tired of hearing all these rappers on a Ken Carson type beat. Ian and Osamason are so lame for cloning Yeat and Ken respectively.
Idk, that’s my issue at least. With streaming and songs going viral on social media, I think mainstream hip hop is never coming back from being commercial. Too many artists just don’t care about their music being culturally significant anymore or creating music that represents their unique perspective on life. The audience doesn’t care anymore either. “Give me short and digestible content on every relevant topic” you can’t make art if people just want to hear a song that they can clip for TikTok before scrolling up to see whatever else is on their algorithms. Unfortunately, that’s just where the money is now. People aren’t buying albums or going to shows like they used to.
He's not wrong,most these new rappers from 2022 to now are sickening, tik tok been making it even worse, the SoundCloud era was peak everybody was just tryna have fun and still release quality and lively music,now it's just bland, only rappers like gunna, future, Roddy ricch and some other rappers still dropping heat.
I used to only listen to rappers like travis scott, 21 savage, and kanye west but then my friend introduced me to tylers music and it truly changed my life because hes a prime example of how you dont have to fit in society to be successful
Bruh, y’all late. People been saying this before Covid. The fact you talking about it now, you’re 6 years late.
Old Uncle Tyler is 33 years old. Back in his day hip-hop was 'better'.
Tyler, the Creator, was always a better entertainer than a rapper, imo.
I think it’s really weird that people are using this interview to attack a lot of female rappers like Sexyy red and ice spice and even a queer rapper like lil nas X. Tyler clearly wasn’t talking about artist who are shocking but artists who lack artistry. Anyone invested in hip hop can see the difference between ice spice and someone like Ian. Even is ice spice isn’t amazing her work ethic and investment in rap is clear, same with Sexyy red and lil nas X and many other rappers who are being attacked due to the misinterpretation of this interview. I think Tyler would happily collaborate with Sexyy red or ice spice due to their authenticity but artists like lil dicky and Ian who actively disrespect an art for he loves get criticism.
Sexyy Red, Ice Spice >>> MC Lyte Foxy Brown Lauryn Hill Eve
Stand for something or fall for anything. 💯
Good for Tyler for calling out this out, but Em did it in 2018 on Kamikaze and ppl called him old and bitter
Eminem is just cringe. Nobody wants to claim him, but people who "usually don't listen to rap, but like Eminem"
@@ThePhreakass lol, you do know that he's Tyler's fav rapper??? And in this interview said he was inspired to rap cuz of him?
@@ThePhreakass Yeah, and people say the same for Ye, a lot. It's because of their appeal and uniqueness. Also, you know that most rappers say that either Eminem or 2Pac is the greatest of all time, right?
@@JamesTiernan-fx3to Ah, the Hip-Hop Universe burner account! Nice to see you. Don't you have another Kendrick hate video to drop lmao
@@ThePhreakass 😂 Hey man, what's the need to act like it's personal?
Thank you tyler
Tyler is a real MC. Kendrick Cole Tyler Pusha Krit Vince Staples and Griselda are top for me. Im sure I missed others...
Return of the Reverend -Jv3 SoundCloud
2:26 was personal 😂😂
love how drawn out and convoluted he wrote the script for this, its almost like hes trynna get to exactly 8 minutes 😂
The only trend needed in hip hop is spitting fire that makes sense and can understand what they are saying….
I feel like everything is being super sexualized in hip hop and rap today.
Thanks for making this video. I think what tyler said is true in all works of art and production. Like it can even be seen with RUclips videos about this topic. Alot of RUclips videos just hafe the first vlip of Tyler calling out ian, and then nothing else. They're just hating without understanding what he was talking about
You can go back even further when Nas said Hip Hop is dead. Artist tried to come for him. New artist are struggling but older artist are thriving. Rap isn't dead. The new artist aren't pushing the culture forward but the older artist are keeping it afloat
Yachty has to be having a rough year first drake now Ian lol
this interview makes alot of sense why he showed up to ken and friends concert.