Love the topic of heat damage being subjective and dependent on one’s specific hair goals. That needs to be emphasized a lot more in the natural hair community
I know a lot of women who have healthy edges. Until recently due to constantly using gel to slip my edges down, I had a healthy hair line that is finally coming back. I come from a family of women with course, thick, jet black hair and my aunts' edges are legendary. Their hair regimen consists of weekly or bi-weekly washes and presses. No perms period. They are now 60 and 70 years old of never having perms. Only wash, color and press or set and they have healthy hair that also happens to be extremely long. So, when Beyonce said that she chose color over perms, I understood that and my aunts take care of their hair. They only get professional service for cuts or trims.
Although Janet wore a lot of wigs, I think Mary J Blige popularized the lace front because she changed her look very often and the wigs were styled differently.
My whole family had long hair. None went to a stylist. All had children. That was decades ago. They didn’t get up and press their hair daily. That’s what they said caused people to lose their hair. That was back in the 60s and 70s. No relaxers and no possible way to get hair products made for us. It’s genetics, in my opinion. One had hair to their butt. Younger people in family didn’t get the long hair. Their parents used to put their children’s hair in tight braids with rubber bands. The old people said that’s why their hair wouldn’t grow. The parents had stunted the growth.
Chebe oil works for me, but I use it once every other month it keeps my hair moist. Also spraying water on my hair makes my hair happy. My hair is fine, soft, and curly. If I go without water my hair gets dry Really puffy dry. My hair didn’t fall out during COVID. Actually I was touring Israel When COVID came out. I get my stylist to cut my sideburns and don’t care for baby hair please brush those baby hair back. My hair Stylist and others say my hair is soft. I don’t know if that’s good or bad.
Great discussion. Thanks for the professional insights. Two things: 1) Beyonce's hair has always been long with high density. There are home videos across the Internet from her as a child, and she always had that hair. So genetics are key-- she didn't recently grow long hair. 2) A lot of celebrities have worn wigs throughout the years. But the public and the women themselves didn't talk about it as openly as people do now. I'm thinking of Diana Ross, Patti LaBelle, Chaka Khan, Cher, Dolly Parton, Whitney Houston, Tina Turner, and Diahann Carroll, to name a few.
I’m 73 and when I went to college falls were in(partial wigs). I went to High School in the 60’s so cute short cuts were very popular and then big Afro’s were in because we were celebrating our Blackness. All of the Black Girl singing groups were wearing wigs so Beyoncé didn’t invent it.
Very relevant conversation 👌🏾would we care as much of Beyonce's hair if her hair just sat comfortably on her shoulders? Glad you hypothesized the range of reasons for her 'hair'.
I'm not sure about that. I think back to the Motown Era of music when many black female performers wore wigs. Even in the 80s & 90s, black female entertainers wore wigs. I remember my aunties & my mom's friends wearing wigs when I was a kid.
My great aunts and grandmother wore wigs. They were all born in the early 1900s. I think Beyonce popularized lace fronts wearing among young women. You would have been considered strange before that. Wigs were for older women and women with health conditions.
Nah she was the first celebrity to have her lacefront clocked, but i dont think she made wearing them popular among the general public. I think it was Nicki or one of her rapper sons. They made it popular for the hood girls and then everyone else hopped on the bandwagon
I know that wigs were worn by artists from back in the day and by maybe grandmas, etc, but Beyoncé was that celebrity that brought a huge wig culture starting back in the 2000’s like no other. It is so common now and is worn on junior high schoolers to seasoned adults. I had never read or seen anything like that until the early 2000’s until now. And don’t forget back in the day I don’t think they had all this makeup, glue, tape, and do dads they have no for putting on a wig. The lace-front culture is work and it didn’t seem like they had lace fronts back then. They just put on a wig and go. You got tutorials on how to put on wigs today and for the past 10 years or so. Women in the past didn’t do this “baby hair” nonsense with wigs and took them off when they went to bed. Anyway, I was talking about Beyoncé helping to give black women the wig culture that transcended age, occupation, socio-economic background, etc.
Yep vanity,I work in the operating room and all the infected BBLs that we have to come in on call for is ridiculous and I’m in SC,so I can’t even imagine the infection rate for the major states.
Roni’s hair looks beautiful. I hate to say this but people are obsessed with perfection for their hair, can’t take frizz or shrinkage, I don’t get it. Black women aren’t the only women with hair woes.
Great conversation Ladies, healthy hair should always be the goal in hair care. The length will come if it is in your genes ok & if it does not come, that is ok too.
9:10 My experience as a natural has been the exact opposite. My relaxed hair was always long (mid-back to waist length) and I was doing the most with all the heat and chemicals I was using. Now as a natural I'm doing the least - no heat, color, very little manipulation - and I'm struggling to retain length and can barely get my hair to reach my shoulders...
So length is genetics? I keep seeing hair gurus saying length has nothing to do with genetics. Ive always wanted longer hair - as in hits my shoulders, not down my back - and I've never been able to go past a few inches.
Dermatologist and Cosmetologist are both taught about growth cycles. Our hair has 3 growth cycles that are experienced at different intervals. There’s a growth, resting and shedding cycle. The Al happen at various times and some of them last longer than others. These cycles can last 12, 18,24, 36 months…this which is determined by your genetics. I’m working on getting a derm on to discuss this the science of growing hair.
Great convo. Now for her edges, if you have your professional properly install your wigs correctly the glue should never touch the hair; it touches the skin. Her forehead is also not small so she has more space for the wig.
We never questioned the application however we spoke of the ongoing friction associated with wearing wigs over time. Roni who also has experience with set work said she had never seen anyone who hasn’t had issues with their edges as a result of wearing wigs.
@@BlackGirlCurls yes, I understand the reference in the video related to friction. I was just adding context on the fact many people misplace the glue as well and that causes their edges or hairline to thin or bald. This was a big Aha moment when I learned about lace wig application. 💕
Beyoncé is a dancer, she’s drinking lots of water. I think her hair would be as long no matter what. My grandma had long hair and never went to a stylist and took care of her own hair.
Wig culture started with Nicki Minaj imo. It was the stripper girls that had it on lock and Nicki being stripper adjacent made it mainstream. Then it was further pushed by her sons.
@@stonyknights7260 nah they wanted a Beyonce WEAVE! We didnt know she wore wigs till that one pic of her lace bunching up while belting went viral in the late 2000s. And the girls were roasting the wig, they weren’t trying to cop one. It wasn’t till nicki started proudly rocking her multicolor forehead lacefronts that the girlies started to look into lace wigs. Rihanna influenced the girls to cut their hair and dye their real hair red, she had no part in the wig culture. Anyway Nicki was just the catalyst, It was really her sons and the insta baddies took it home and made it appropriate for everyday wear.
@disneytoysr4fun975 So what is a lace front? 🙄 And "sons" ain't cute unless you referring to someones father or your yourself. And all of Nick's headpieces, Lil Kim already wore back in the 90s, INCLUDING your man's signature pink.
Of course it's wholly Beyonce's prerogative to wear wigs, but I don't understand why she so often does. Her wigs are never wildly styled or drastically coloured. Her wigs generally look like her genuine hair does, only flat. Actually her real hair is luxurious, even more so than many wigs that she wears. I guess maybe the constant heat that's applied to the hair for the stage is why she often wears wigs. Her hair is gorgeous. Her wigs are very Mariah Carey -- dull. Oh well. What do I know?
@@BlackGirlCurls well at 43:40 you said wigs represented those great grandmas and aunties and then Roni said they never had healthy hair underneath, so I am referring to those women who were probably post menopausal
@@peacheslenoir6862 ahhh yes! Without making a blanket statement I would say it’s combination of poor hair care practices, overall health and prolonged wig wearing. There was likely some unaddressed hair loss being experienced as well.
they're professional cosmetologists. they're not making excuses, they're speaking factually, from professional experience and established knowledge lol. it doesn't matter how much self belief you have, the truth is the truth.
That is NOT true. Terminal length isn’t a myth, it is genetics. You can protective style, oil your scalp, take your vitamins, drink your water and never have 20inches of hair. It’s fine.
Ignorant comment about blk women being on section 8…. what does that have to do with Beyoncé’s hair? Makes it difficult to take that person serious 🤷🏾♀️. Where is Aleise??
Beyonces mom is also a licensed cosmetologist as well so her understanding of hair care has always been a bit more than the rest of us average curlies
Having a cosmetologist not just as a parent but just partnering with one can be crucial.
I always say that! Her mom had the expertise & the money.
Love the topic of heat damage being subjective and dependent on one’s specific hair goals. That needs to be emphasized a lot more in the natural hair community
We definitely do our part to get that message across.
I know a lot of women who have healthy edges. Until recently due to constantly using gel to slip my edges down, I had a healthy hair line that is finally coming back. I come from a family of women with course, thick, jet black hair and my aunts' edges are legendary. Their hair regimen consists of weekly or bi-weekly washes and presses. No perms period. They are now 60 and 70 years old of never having perms. Only wash, color and press or set and they have healthy hair that also happens to be extremely long. So, when Beyonce said that she chose color over perms, I understood that and my aunts take care of their hair. They only get professional service for cuts or trims.
Although Janet wore a lot of wigs, I think Mary J Blige popularized the lace front because she changed her look very often and the wigs were styled differently.
My whole family had long hair. None went to a stylist. All had children. That was decades ago. They didn’t get up and press their hair daily. That’s what they said caused people to lose their hair. That was back in the 60s and 70s. No relaxers and no possible way to get hair products made for us. It’s genetics, in my opinion. One had hair to their butt. Younger people in family didn’t get the long hair. Their parents used to put their children’s hair in tight braids with rubber bands. The old people said that’s why their hair wouldn’t grow. The parents had stunted the growth.
I'm loving this conversation. Thank you all for your honesty and wisdom. ☺️💛🌻 It's refreshing to witness. 😊
Thank you! You’re welcome!
I have never naturally had baby hair a day in my life. I have a boxy hair line and I "create" baby hairs to round out my hairline
Chebe oil works for me, but I use it once every other month it keeps my hair moist. Also spraying water on my hair makes my hair happy. My hair is fine, soft, and curly. If I go without water my hair gets dry Really puffy dry. My hair didn’t fall out during COVID. Actually I was touring Israel When COVID came out. I get my stylist to cut my sideburns and don’t care for baby hair please brush those baby hair back. My hair
Stylist and others say my hair is soft. I don’t know if that’s good or bad.
Great discussion. Thanks for the professional insights. Two things: 1) Beyonce's hair has always been long with high density. There are home videos across the Internet from her as a child, and she always had that hair. So genetics are key-- she didn't recently grow long hair. 2) A lot of celebrities have worn wigs throughout the years. But the public and the women themselves didn't talk about it as openly as people do now. I'm thinking of Diana Ross, Patti LaBelle, Chaka Khan, Cher, Dolly Parton, Whitney Houston, Tina Turner, and Diahann Carroll, to name a few.
I’m 73 and when I went to college falls were in(partial wigs). I went to High School in the 60’s so cute short cuts were very popular and then big Afro’s were in because we were celebrating our Blackness. All of the Black Girl singing groups were wearing wigs so Beyoncé didn’t invent it.
It’s just like the Mediterranean diet. It’s not just food it’s physical activity.
I think celebrities shilling hair care should have to disclose any surgeries or procedures they may have had. Wonderful conversation ladies!
That video was taken the day she had her Cecred launch party. So it's about 2 months ago.
Very relevant conversation 👌🏾would we care as much of Beyonce's hair if her hair just sat comfortably on her shoulders? Glad you hypothesized the range of reasons for her 'hair'.
Great discussion! Thank you all for this.
If anyone saw Chris Rock’s Good Hair it shows what many of us value and care about and unfortunately it’s not the economy.
Umm Beyoncé WAS the main influencer for wigs being worn for sistahs. And it did start in the early 2000’s. The hair stylist who said it is correct
I'm not sure about that. I think back to the Motown Era of music when many black female performers wore wigs. Even in the 80s & 90s, black female entertainers wore wigs. I remember my aunties & my mom's friends wearing wigs when I was a kid.
My great aunts and grandmother wore wigs. They were all born in the early 1900s. I think Beyonce popularized lace fronts wearing among young women. You would have been considered strange before that. Wigs were for older women and women with health conditions.
Nah she was the first celebrity to have her lacefront clocked, but i dont think she made wearing them popular among the general public. I think it was Nicki or one of her rapper sons. They made it popular for the hood girls and then everyone else hopped on the bandwagon
I know that wigs were worn by artists from back in the day and by maybe grandmas, etc, but Beyoncé was that celebrity that brought a huge wig culture starting back in the 2000’s like no other. It is so common now and is worn on junior high schoolers to seasoned adults. I had never read or seen anything like that until the early 2000’s until now. And don’t forget back in the day I don’t think they had all this makeup, glue, tape, and do dads they have no for putting on a wig. The lace-front culture is work and it didn’t seem like they had lace fronts back then. They just put on a wig and go. You got tutorials on how to put on wigs today and for the past 10 years or so. Women in the past didn’t do this “baby hair” nonsense with wigs and took them off when they went to bed.
Anyway, I was talking about Beyoncé helping to give black women the wig culture that transcended age, occupation, socio-economic background, etc.
@@lizh6578 agreed
Yep vanity,I work in the operating room and all the infected BBLs that we have to come in on call for is ridiculous and I’m in SC,so I can’t even imagine the infection rate for the major states.
Yes, Roni folks always want loooooong hair. We constantly see products for hair growth and videos for length retention.
Can’t get enough of yall can’t wait to renew my subscription 🙌🏾
Roni’s hair looks beautiful. I hate to say this but people are obsessed with perfection for their hair, can’t take frizz or shrinkage, I don’t get it. Black women aren’t the only women with hair woes.
I really enjoyed this conversation! I’m also a Hair Care Professional who resonates with a lot of what has been said. Thank you for this!
Thank you so much for this! I always appreciate the support from my fellow professionals.
Great conversation Ladies, healthy hair should always be the goal in hair care. The length will come if it is in your genes ok & if it does not come, that is ok too.
Great conversation! ❤👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
9:10 My experience as a natural has been the exact opposite. My relaxed hair was always long (mid-back to waist length) and I was doing the most with all the heat and chemicals I was using. Now as a natural I'm doing the least - no heat, color, very little manipulation - and I'm struggling to retain length and can barely get my hair to reach my shoulders...
I've heard people getting hair transplants... like a surgical procedure for your scalp or hair...
Appreciated my fellow professionals weighing in. Women have to buy into the delusion that they can have what Beyoncé has.
So length is genetics? I keep seeing hair gurus saying length has nothing to do with genetics. Ive always wanted longer hair - as in hits my shoulders, not down my back - and I've never been able to go past a few inches.
Dermatologist and Cosmetologist are both taught about growth cycles. Our hair has 3 growth cycles that are experienced at different intervals. There’s a growth, resting and shedding cycle. The Al happen at various times and some of them last longer than others. These cycles can last 12, 18,24, 36 months…this which is determined by your genetics. I’m working on getting a derm on to discuss this the science of growing hair.
Great convo. Now for her edges, if you have your professional properly install your wigs correctly the glue should never touch the hair; it touches the skin. Her forehead is also not small so she has more space for the wig.
We never questioned the application however we spoke of the ongoing friction associated with wearing wigs over time. Roni who also has experience with set work said she had never seen anyone who hasn’t had issues with their edges as a result of wearing wigs.
@@BlackGirlCurls yes, I understand the reference in the video related to friction. I was just adding context on the fact many people misplace the glue as well and that causes their edges or hairline to thin or bald. This was a big Aha moment when I learned about lace wig application. 💕
@@chasebeautytoo51 got it! You are indeed correct!
Beyoncé is a dancer, she’s drinking lots of water. I think her hair would be as long no matter what. My grandma had long hair and never went to a stylist and took care of her own hair.
I’m not going to a foreign country to get anything done, if they mess up you can’t file a law suit. Wigs were hot when I was growing up.
Wig culture started with Nicki Minaj imo. It was the stripper girls that had it on lock and Nicki being stripper adjacent made it mainstream. Then it was further pushed by her sons.
Agreed.
NONESENSE
They been trying to get a Beyonce Wig since 2003 babe.
We talking about NATURAL looking hair, not CRAYON COLORED.
Which Rihanna started.
@@stonyknights7260 nah they wanted a Beyonce WEAVE! We didnt know she wore wigs till that one pic of her lace bunching up while belting went viral in the late 2000s. And the girls were roasting the wig, they weren’t trying to cop one. It wasn’t till nicki started proudly rocking her multicolor forehead lacefronts that the girlies started to look into lace wigs. Rihanna influenced the girls to cut their hair and dye their real hair red, she had no part in the wig culture.
Anyway Nicki was just the catalyst, It was really her sons and the insta baddies took it home and made it appropriate for everyday wear.
@disneytoysr4fun975 So what is a lace front? 🙄
And "sons" ain't cute unless you referring to someones father or your yourself.
And all of Nick's headpieces, Lil Kim already wore back in the 90s, INCLUDING your man's signature pink.
Of course it's wholly Beyonce's prerogative to wear wigs, but I don't understand why she so often does. Her wigs are never wildly styled or drastically coloured. Her wigs generally look like her genuine hair does, only flat. Actually her real hair is luxurious, even more so than many wigs that she wears. I guess maybe the constant heat that's applied to the hair for the stage is why she often wears wigs. Her hair is gorgeous. Her wigs are very Mariah Carey -- dull. Oh well. What do I know?
Being a performer cane be rough on your real hair. If she wore her real hair out she would not have as much of it to work with.
Where is Aeleise?
Hi! Aeleise and Aishia split up the business back in August of 2023. Aeleise now runs Cut It Kinky and Aishia runs Black Girl Curls.
Why,do yall no longer agree on what you have been teaching?
@@hopeful9160 no. We simply started a business that we hadn’t planned too, that ultimately turned into 2 solid businesses that can stand on their own.
What if the older ladies wore wigs because their hair wasn’t so healthy & not because the wigs made their hair unhealthy
When you say older ladies…how old are we talking?
@@BlackGirlCurls well at 43:40 you said wigs represented those great grandmas and aunties and then Roni said they never had healthy hair underneath, so I am referring to those women who were probably post menopausal
@@peacheslenoir6862 ahhh yes! Without making a blanket statement I would say it’s combination of poor hair care practices, overall health and prolonged wig wearing. There was likely some unaddressed hair loss being experienced as well.
Ya'll can also grow hair as long as beyonce's. Stop making excuses and believe in yourself!
they're professional cosmetologists. they're not making excuses, they're speaking factually, from professional experience and established knowledge lol. it doesn't matter how much self belief you have, the truth is the truth.
That is NOT true. Terminal length isn’t a myth, it is genetics. You can protective style, oil your scalp, take your vitamins, drink your water and never have 20inches of hair. It’s fine.
@@Lisa_Flowersexactly 😂. The delusion.
@@Lisa_Flowers And I heard one of these stylists say on this very video that it's absolutely possible, so you should at least try before giving up. 😃
I disagree about the wigs,Tina Turner and Dianna Ross were first
@@hopeful9160 We were speaking specifically about the current resurgence.
Ignorant comment about blk women being on section 8…. what does that have to do with Beyoncé’s hair? Makes it difficult to take that person serious 🤷🏾♀️. Where is Aleise??