I think the wrist flexors are the most important muscle group in armwrestling for most of people. Especially the ones who also help to lock the ellbow join. Brzenk once stated that they did an experiment. They tired out bizeps before training, which effected their training a little negativ. Another time they tired out the forarm flexors and the effect was suposed to be much more negativ than when they tired out the bizeps... I think you can't have strong enough forarm flexors. More strengh there is always better in armwrestling...
Ray , your site has by far the most impressive positive to negative likes ratio !! Its 270 - 0 by the time i post this. Besides joking that shows the level of respect people have to both of you and the level of your content... Awesome job , really ..
I believe a small muscle in the upper chest that is not the main muscle that you see make up most of the size of the "Pecs" on a bodybuilder or powerlifter at the benchpress is one of the keys that powers your ability to crank your opponent over. Provided your other muscles such as biceps or those that control the angle of your wrist on your arm aren't "weakest links". Something that torques the main bone in your upper arm to rotate against the force of your opponent. I suppose that some ligaments or tendons in the elbow have to transmit the torque to the forearm.
You can definitely not lose your hand, just because your side pressure is stronger then your wrist flexion, You don’t have to go 100% with your arm if you wrist can’t hold it. you can open your angle which allows you to save your wrist letting you maintain your wrist on their side of the table hoping to crack their wrist before you get pinned.. think I’ll call it open angle top roll
incredible how you guys read the comments and always give back an answer to all the interesting phrase and questions. So, that's one for you: in which case should i train with isometrics exercise? are they always good, bad or useful for a specific situation?
Last week i dont remember where i heard the answer to this question amd was something like this: What is more important the gun or the bullets? They always come together or you will do nothing 💪🏻
What is more important the gun or the bullets? I know that it comes together for it to works but I think the bullets are more important. You can have only one gun with many bullets but you can't be so efficient if you have only one bullet but have many guns. If you go for hunting for example, you stockpile your bullets, not your gun. In arm wrestling, one will always be more important than the other depends on individuals (like coach Ray said in the video). I am a bodybuilder, my biceps is strong but my wrist and foreams are weaker. So my bullets would be my forearms. When I train only my forearms and wrists (using armwrestling's techniques), my strength increase rapidly in armwrestling matches.
In an informal armwrestle sometimes the persons jockey to get an asymmetrical grip where the "meanest" one can squeeze the hand of the other painfully but I think in a refereed match the referee is supposed to see that the grip is fair before allowing the match to start. Also sometimes the contestants try to win very quickly at the beginning before the other reacts. Probably that works best for the bigger guy against the smaller guy with the monkey look rope muscled arm that seems to keep pulling hard longer without tiring. Usually people who are friends don't try to get a crush knuckle grip on each other or try to trick/jerk suddenly right at the start. I think a referee can restart a match or declare a foul for certain things like trying to knock the opponent's elbow off of the table area where it is supposed to be.
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I personally think both are equally important, many times have I’ve been able to take my opponents hand and not finish them. And many times I’ve had my hand taken but survived with only my bicep strength. The hand secures you having full access to all your strength, but if the opponent bicep strength surpasses both your own hand and arm strength then your done.
There are two mindsets to training anything. Some people want to be pretty good at everything with no obvious weak link. Then there are guys who want to specialize at one thing and be the best at that. There are plenty of successful examples of each. Maybe ask yourself..."Self, does my girlfriend prefer big forearms or big biceps?" Choose that one. LOL
Must be biceps ultimatly. No one loses until bicep is opened up. Taking the wrist acts as multiplier making attacking bicep easier, but still must then defeat bicep!
forearm for sure ,, just look at oleg!! ,, this guy has no back no chest no biceps no whatever and he can move incredible weight and beat much bigger opponents
@@voiceofarmwrestling for example to trick your opponent into your strenght (trap). And Wizardry is kind of Hard to explain :D. I think Ryan needs to do a vid about it for me then.
Most important muscle = hand control 😞 can someone just say the actual muscle (ie forearm muscle) I feel like hand is quite vague, is it wrist curls or grip?
Cupping- finger flexion is flexor digitorum prufundus and superficialis. For wrist flexion flexor Carpi ulnaris, radialis, and palmarus longus. Pronation- pronators teres and quadratus. Radial deviation (knuckles up, important for back pressure) extensor carpi radialis longus. Not exhaustive but that’s basically it for hand control
But actually, mountain climbing exercises like hang boards. Then try to pull your body weight up. Grip tools are good. Travis bagent just said he squeezes a towel all day to build grip strength.
@chillbman But Oleg had also a huge wrist and a strangely shaped huge palm impossible to grip. However generally speaking yes. A guy with huge biceps can suck in armwrestling, a guy with huge forearms usually has something to give!
Yes!!! FOREARMS is the resaon why Oleg won! But I guess forearm wasn`t so strong on right? Why is that??? Picking Oleg as an example for something like this is just crazy.
@@voiceofarmwrestling not really.. his advantage is his forearm mainly. Both biceps are small. His right hand has no forearm either, that's ofcourse why he lost and proves that point? Yeah wrist and hand are thick but with just his oversized forearm he can take on the best in the world weighing 80-90kg lol
es!!! FOREARMS is the reason why Oleg won! But I guess forearm wasn`t so strong on right? Why is that??? Picking Oleg as an example for something like this is just crazy. P.S. 3rd comment addressing OLEG. I guess these people also think he trained his arm like that....
@@voiceofarmwrestling I don't think it's that crazy. Given the fact that he has such a small frame and such power in the wrist and forearm it kinda makes you think were it all comes from. His brachialis is huge coming from his forearm giving him that crazy back pressure of his. He also very rarely looses his hand in a fight but when he has lost it he's lost the fight as well. All in all I say all things being equal hand control is of most importance in armwrestling. Not grip wise but wrist wise. That's what the strap is for.
I can do bicep curl ez bar 50kg/110 pounds for 7-8 reps when i am full energy 1 set, if not 4 reps when i dont feel so good, and i still lose sometimes easy vs ppl who dont workout and skinny why. I think i got weak forearms, wrist.
Yes you are right, many of my colleague do bicep curl very much higher than me but still i beat them like nuts in armwrestling. Reason is strong wrist and grip 💪. Try to do bicep curl with very strong grip , your heavy will become easy weight, but u cant maintain that grip for longer reps l.
Maybe try pull ups or machine pull down "lat machine" with grip palm facing forward some people are stronger in pull up than in curl and others are the opposite pull up seems to get more muscles than biceps and forward grip seems to strengthen forearm ("pronate")?
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A strong bicep lets you use other muscles, like dragging without the angle opening. Wrist seems to be more for the advanced pullers who are already strong everywhere else.
lmao, that's cause having a stronger wrist effectively amplifies your arm strength. You're increasing the torque on their arm and decreasing it on yours by peeling your opponent's wrist back. So the bicep angle opens up in both cases, but for different reasons.
Wrist is a weakness for amateurs, pros know to target their opponents weakness. That said, you can often force someone into a hook since cup is generally stronger than pronation. I don't know any moves that neutralise bicep, it's fundamental. Denis has the world record for curling and made light work of Devon, one of the best top rollers out there. I agree both matter, but hypothetically if you could have more of one than the other I'd have to say bicep. Just my opinion.
In my opinion forearm. My bicep is not that strong,but i won a lot of guys by taking their wrist(amateur matches). I feel if you lose your wrist,your entire arm will fall.
Y’all are the most genuine when it comes to arm wrestling talk, laid back and real. Keep them coming bro!
Thanks we try our best to #keepitreal
I think the wrist flexors are the most important muscle group in armwrestling for most of people. Especially the ones who also help to lock the ellbow join.
Brzenk once stated that they did an experiment. They tired out bizeps before training, which effected their training a little negativ. Another time they tired out the forarm flexors and the effect was suposed to be much more negativ than when they tired out the bizeps...
I think you can't have strong enough forarm flexors. More strengh there is always better in armwrestling...
The WHOLE body as a unit 🖐🏽💪🏾😬
A dream...
@@voiceofarmwrestling 😴💭
They literally gave the answer in the starting 2 mins. Great video guys ❤️
Awesome! Thank you!
Also without any blatant intro. Straight to the point, good work
Ray , your site has by far the most impressive positive to negative likes ratio !!
Its 270 - 0 by the time i post this.
Besides joking that shows the level of respect
people have to both of you and the level of your content...
Awesome job , really ..
Thanks, we just speak the truth how we see it. Appreciate that armwrestling don`t have that much haters in our community.
@Voice of Armwrestling Armwrestling has..
your channel hasn’t..
It’s something you earned and should be proud of
I believe a small muscle in the upper chest that is not the main muscle that you see make up most of the size of the "Pecs" on a bodybuilder or powerlifter at the benchpress is one of the keys that powers your ability to crank your opponent over. Provided your other muscles such as biceps or those that control the angle of your wrist on your arm aren't "weakest links".
Something that torques the main bone in your upper arm to rotate against the force of your opponent. I suppose that some ligaments or tendons in the elbow have to transmit the torque to the forearm.
You can definitely not lose your hand, just because your side pressure is stronger then your wrist flexion, You don’t have to go 100% with your arm if you wrist can’t hold it. you can open your angle which allows you to save your wrist letting you maintain your wrist on their side of the table hoping to crack their wrist before you get pinned.. think I’ll call it open angle top roll
Hey Coach Ray, can you show us a video on how to increase VeCtOrS by 44%? I want to go to zloty.
Thanks.
Impossible
Also please teach us how to choose to keep our hands. Thank you
@@thearmwrestlingmemechannel1434 ruclips.net/video/gkTb9GP9lVI/видео.html
You sound like an idiot. Oh wait, you are! 🥴
incredible how you guys read the comments and always give back an answer to all the interesting phrase and questions. So, that's one for you: in which case should i train with isometrics exercise? are they always good, bad or useful for a specific situation?
Last week i dont remember where i heard the answer to this question amd was something like this:
What is more important the gun or the bullets? They always come together or you will do nothing 💪🏻
Thats true and sounds poetic, but in real life if you keep losing one way, trying something else does n`t make any sense.
@@voiceofarmwrestling 💯💯 you need all your weapons to have more chances of winning 👍🏻
What is more important the gun or the bullets? I know that it comes together for it to works but I think the bullets are more important. You can have only one gun with many bullets but you can't be so efficient if you have only one bullet but have many guns.
If you go for hunting for example, you stockpile your bullets, not your gun.
In arm wrestling, one will always be more important than the other depends on individuals (like coach Ray said in the video). I am a bodybuilder, my biceps is strong but my wrist and foreams are weaker. So my bullets would be my forearms. When I train only my forearms and wrists (using armwrestling's techniques), my strength increase rapidly in armwrestling matches.
Great perspective.
Straight to the point. Excellent video
Very Informative coach
Thanks :)
It literally make me more clear that i have to work on my biceps...
Thank you guys🔥🔥🔥🔥
😂👌🏼
Great videos guys
You can actually win if someone has a weak heart!! (I'm sorry that was a bit cruel)
You just went somewhere very dark dude...
What?
@@voiceofarmwrestling do you know techniques that are more subtle and not obvious cheat like the hook or moving yiur able to adjuest the leverage
lol what dude
In an informal armwrestle sometimes the persons jockey to get an asymmetrical grip where the "meanest" one can squeeze the hand of the other painfully but I think in a refereed match the referee is supposed to see that the grip is fair before allowing the match to start.
Also sometimes the contestants try to win very quickly at the beginning before the other reacts. Probably that works best for the bigger guy against the smaller guy with the monkey look rope muscled arm that seems to keep pulling hard longer without tiring.
Usually people who are friends don't try to get a crush knuckle grip on each other or try to trick/jerk suddenly right at the start.
I think a referee can restart a match or declare a foul for certain things like trying to knock the opponent's elbow off of the table area where it is supposed to be.
I just found about this video and I was instantly happy because the bald guy(I am not dis respecting , I just haven't watched any other videos from this channel) has kind of Russian-Ukrainian english accent ! Imma use the tips too :) Thanks , helped a lot
I'd say the most important muscle is the one which is your weakest at the moment. I always concentrate on training my weakness.
I personally think both are equally important, many times have I’ve been able to take my opponents hand and not finish them. And many times I’ve had my hand taken but survived with only my bicep strength. The hand secures you having full access to all your strength, but if the opponent bicep strength surpasses both your own hand and arm strength then your done.
Thank you this helped so much!
The Hand control is the very importante thing and a Strong pronation.
Basically what we are saying is just train. Everything. Always.
But change your focus according.
Just messing with you bud. Love the content and watch most every video. Big things in 2020. Hope all is well homie
Great video guys.
Thanks!
We fans want to see real fight between you guys.😂💪 By the way excelent content as always!
If we get 50k subscribers we will have a supermatch between me and Janis.
by the end of next year
or when we get it
SPOILER: Janis wins
@@TimmyTurner421 oh cmon...
Lol
Love your content guys!
Thanks Isra!
I've learned that staying tight in loosing or winning, you're still in the match
Good advice
100%
Nice info guys
Que bueno verte por aquí Alan jajaja
@@tarola7807 😉👋🏻
Thanks Alan! :)
Hey Alan how did you lose to a ginger? Did you choose to lose your hand?
@@thearmwrestlingmemechannel1434 😂
sometimes i feel like janis is looking at the other dude thinking stfu lol. Maybe its just his natural facial expression idk lol
No that is what he is thinking.
-Ray
@@voiceofarmwrestling hahahahahha
There are two mindsets to training anything. Some people want to be pretty good at everything with no obvious weak link. Then there are guys who want to specialize at one thing and be the best at that. There are plenty of successful examples of each.
Maybe ask yourself..."Self, does my girlfriend prefer big forearms or big biceps?" Choose that one. LOL
:D :D :D
@Benjamin Rhodes my lawyer will contact you for using your forearm as a PP
I’m asking for 1. 000. 000 $
question: What muscle is used when pulling only in full side presure?
More than one. Pectoral group is very important, as well as anterior deltoid, bicep and all the holding muscles in the hand and forearm.
@@benjaminrhodes9611 I understand.However,why i feel pain only in the down part of the biceps and no pain in deltoid and chest?
@@InnerSyncMusic tendon.
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Janis will not steer you wrong. Work on it.
Pretty good explanation on this thread
Must be biceps ultimatly. No one loses until bicep is opened up. Taking the wrist acts as multiplier making attacking bicep easier, but still must then defeat bicep!
How about for the lock which is better? John Breznk said your forearm and triceps lock your elbow joint far better than your bicep..what do you think?
Good video guys. Now how should we train our hand, fingers and wrist?
Google the channel or go voiceofarmwrestling.com
forearm for sure ,, just look at oleg!! ,, this guy has no back no chest no biceps no whatever and he can move incredible weight and beat much bigger opponents
Straight up bruv
Dude, Oleg has excellent biceps.
Oleg's back pressure is/was insane, that's basically biceps
Coach what basic exercises you recommend for finger and wrist extensors? Apart from reverse curls...
Get that band you put on fingers for finger flexors. And reverse curls is the best- just different variations.
Nice video
Thanks, hope it helps.
I think forearm
Very good question im interested now
:)))
I think brachialis and forearm flexors
I'll comment before i play this video(as video caption). I prefer to choose isometric exercise..
You shoot and ... missed.
Could you please make a video about traps and one about ,as Ryan calls it, "wizardry"?
Traps? Wizardry?
@@voiceofarmwrestling for example to trick your opponent into your strenght (trap). And Wizardry is kind of Hard to explain :D. I think Ryan needs to do a vid about it for me then.
indeed...hart
:D
Coach Ray when is your supermatch with Frode?
14th or March.
Where is this filmed? I'd love to have a workout at this gym one day.
Pumpētava Gym, Riga, Latvia
:)
Coach Ray Vs. Ryan Bowen will be interesting!!!😋
Bottom 8 #2
Easy 6-0 for Ray
The title is literally one question. Why is this over 10 minutes long.
is it possible to be like devon?
What do you mean?
Most important muscle = hand control 😞 can someone just say the actual muscle (ie forearm muscle) I feel like hand is quite vague, is it wrist curls or grip?
Cupping- finger flexion is flexor digitorum prufundus and superficialis. For wrist flexion flexor Carpi ulnaris, radialis, and palmarus longus. Pronation- pronators teres and quadratus. Radial deviation (knuckles up, important for back pressure) extensor carpi radialis longus. Not exhaustive but that’s basically it for hand control
I think high testosterone affect high strength is important for muscle grow and strength
Am I right ?
Brain muscle, focus because everything fails if one doesn't have one.
Brachialis and Pronator Teres 😃
👌🏼
Janis is the champ I really appreciate these videos thank you very much guys
👌🏼
Think most important is tricepts because we push others arm in arm wrestling and for pushing most active muscle will be tricepts
Снимите пожалуйста видео с Тарасайтисом, его тренировку,как пришел в спорт и др. ;)
He is from Lithuania and lives in Denmark. We are in Latvia.
@@voiceofarmwrestling ну судя по видео вы частенько видитесь,поэтому когда будет возможность сделайте такой ролик)
How do u train for strong fingers
Get yourself a woman 🤣
But actually, mountain climbing exercises like hang boards. Then try to pull your body weight up. Grip tools are good. Travis bagent just said he squeezes a towel all day to build grip strength.
Well i dont know why but i think are shoulders instead
All is important" but the strongest is the forearms
Who is coach Ray’s hardest matchup at bottom 8?
No one
Alex Beziazykov
Evan if he comes sober.
@Voice of Armwrestling LOL
Side pressure doesn't activate biceps,
has to be forearms since oleg has proved this
@chillbman But Oleg had also a huge wrist and a strangely shaped huge palm impossible to grip.
However generally speaking yes.
A guy with huge biceps can suck in armwrestling, a guy with huge forearms usually has something to give!
Yes!!! FOREARMS is the resaon why Oleg won! But I guess forearm wasn`t so strong on right? Why is that???
Picking Oleg as an example for something like this is just crazy.
@@voiceofarmwrestling not really.. his advantage is his forearm mainly. Both biceps are small. His right hand has no forearm either, that's ofcourse why he lost and proves that point? Yeah wrist and hand are thick but with just his oversized forearm he can take on the best in the world weighing 80-90kg lol
Easy look at Oleg Zhokh. That's the most important muscles.
es!!! FOREARMS is the reason why Oleg won! But I guess forearm wasn`t so strong on right? Why is that???
Picking Oleg as an example for something like this is just crazy.
P.S. 3rd comment addressing OLEG. I guess these people also think he trained his arm like that....
@@voiceofarmwrestling I don't think it's that crazy. Given the fact that he has such a small frame and such power in the wrist and forearm it kinda makes you think were it all comes from. His brachialis is huge coming from his forearm giving him that crazy back pressure of his. He also very rarely looses his hand in a fight but when he has lost it he's lost the fight as well.
All in all I say all things being equal hand control is of most importance in armwrestling. Not grip wise but wrist wise. That's what the strap is for.
What exercises should I do for more toproll strength?( preferably with a resistance band)
Hammer curls
Pronation, elbow flexors, row movemnts and even hand. Google this channel for exercises. Or go to voiceofarmwrestling.com - training section.
I can do bicep curl ez bar 50kg/110 pounds for 7-8 reps when i am full energy 1 set, if not 4 reps when i dont feel so good, and i still lose sometimes easy vs ppl who dont workout and skinny why.
I think i got weak forearms, wrist.
Yes you are right, many of my colleague do bicep curl very much higher than me but still i beat them like nuts in armwrestling. Reason is strong wrist and grip 💪.
Try to do bicep curl with very strong grip , your heavy will become easy weight, but u cant maintain that grip for longer reps l.
Maybe try pull ups or machine pull down "lat machine" with grip palm facing forward
some people are stronger in pull up than in curl and others are the opposite
pull up seems to get more muscles than biceps and forward grip seems to strengthen forearm ("pronate")?
Big biceps to scare your opponent before the match.
:D :D :D
Toopkarcher big forearms baby, that’s a horse power...🙀😂💪
Which exercises are the best for getting stronger in hook?
Preacher/scott curls, normal bicep curls, and actually arm wrestling and using the hook, many times per day, several times a week.
Depends on whats the thing thats making you weak in the hook.
WTF!? I just got a notification for this vid and it's been out for almost a week. As a matter a fact, I got 7 notifications for older vids in the last week, just now. Man, RUclips sucks donkey dick! 😡 I'm going to Jiu Jitsu class in an hour. Someone's gonna pay!!! 😡 Anyway, good vid! #youtubesucks
Don't need to watch the video at all.
Forearm is the answer.
Grip strength forearms biceps genetics will get older
Oh
Stop letting your hands fall on the table.. your micro hears everything!
Does couch Ray or Janis have girl friends or are they in a relationship?
A strong bicep lets you use other muscles, like dragging without the angle opening. Wrist seems to be more for the advanced pullers who are already strong everywhere else.
How many guys are winning without wrist compared to with wrist. Go look at any tournament.
@@voiceofarmwrestling How many guys are losing because their bicep angle opens up? almost all of them.
lmao, that's cause having a stronger wrist effectively amplifies your arm strength. You're increasing the torque on their arm and decreasing it on yours by peeling your opponent's wrist back. So the bicep angle opens up in both cases, but for different reasons.
Wrist is a weakness for amateurs, pros know to target their opponents weakness. That said, you can often force someone into a hook since cup is generally stronger than pronation. I don't know any moves that neutralise bicep, it's fundamental. Denis has the world record for curling and made light work of Devon, one of the best top rollers out there. I agree both matter, but hypothetically if you could have more of one than the other I'd have to say bicep. Just my opinion.
SlR ..wut
Shots fired not a choice lol
Bullshit i am left handet and i have bigger bicep on right arm and bigger forearn on left arm and i am stronger with left hand
Но насколько все таки важны векторы?!?!
:D :D :D
Train your veakness
:)))
Лайк)!
:))))
In my opinion forearm. My bicep is not that strong,but i won a lot of guys by taking their wrist(amateur matches). I feel if you lose your wrist,your entire arm will fall.
True. And if you don`t know what you are doing all falls apart.
Блин ребят, дайте русские субтитры
Sorry we can`t write Russian :(
@@voiceofarmwrestling обидно. Придётся учить английский
Is that Russian accent? Just curious