Shuri Meets Killmonger in Ancestral Plane 4K | Black Panther Wakanda Forever
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Shuri meets Njaka after drink heart shaped flower herb. Shuri choose Erik Killmonger because they are look alike.
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"Don't you dare take that away from your mother, she sacrificed herself." He's got a point you know, I'm no fan of monarchies, but the Queen sacrificed her life to save a girl she barely knew. That's noble.
Yeah he very much respected that because he hated what her husband did, that brought such misery to his life.
He realized that the queen loved her children with a love he never knew from his own mother as she died when he was too young to remember and his father was killed by his uncle. He only knew a father's love.
Monarchy is the ideal system of government. Aristotle proved this thousands of years ago.
@@Pedro90268 Yeah its very ideal, if you fancy dumping all the responsibility onto one family so everyone else can say "these people made me do it.".
@@nicholasclarke171 Better than an apathetic population who would do nothing, if left to their own morals and decisions.
Killmonger being a manifestation of Shuri's internal rage and grief was a genius move. The theater I saw this in literally gasped when that fakeout happened
Plus it’s something you can’t hide from do to his presence alone. If suri continues down that path she will become no better then her cousin.
He was right with his cause, greaf and anger but he was to broken to see the faults and pitfalls of revenge. The unspeakable cost it would entail. At that point in time suri was no different then him
chad is just gone so so they go for killmonger lets be honest, no disrespect
@johnweebfps Well, if Chad was still alive, the film would have been completely different
@@johnweebfps if chad was alive
Tchalla would've been alive and the story would've been different
@@johnweebfpsI think everyone else has got it right. Killmonger was a brilliant choice considering the significant grief Shuri was facing. If T'challa was alive, we all know the story would have been different..there's always some sort of origin story featuring great loss for the hero, and for Shuri it was her mom's murder (as we didn't see that coming), and she was still grieving from the untimely death of her brother. A brilliant twist- my friends and I gasped. I was on the edge of my seat for this scene.
N’Jadaka did say “Before T’Challa”, meaning he had a form of respect for him, especially Queen Ramonda, when he said “And don’t you dare take that away from your mother.”, the fact she risked her life to save Riri from drowning.
It is interesting, isn't it? If you think about it N'Jadaka didn't really hate T'Challa personally. He hated him because he was T'Chaka's son and because he was the symbol of the nation that abandoned him, but if you think about it we never got the indication that he ever hated T'Challa for being T'Challa.
And in the end, it after everything is said and done, it makes sense that N'Jadaka would respect T'Challa on a personal level. N'Jadaka always had an obsession with personal strength and drive, and in the end T'Challa's drive to stop him was greater than his drive to win. He may or may not respect or agree with T'Challa's personal beliefs, but he respects him as an individual because T'Challa had the strength to stand by his convictions
He valued compassion. Unfortunately, his sense of it was twisted by pain of abandonment and revenge.
@Hfar
T'Challa showed him respect as he died. And as broken as he was, N'Jadaka was still Black Panther for a time.
T'Challa did face him and his army down against overwhelming odds(at least at first) and he did fight him in the duel despite having every right to refuse him. Plus he allowed him to die in "peace" with respect.
Easily the best scene in the movie
Bro really pulled up in the afterlife and was like "See, me personally......I wouldn't let that slide"
I appreciate the respect kilmonger has for t'challa despite the fact that he did tried to kill him twice. But he thought he be like t'chaka but saw how t'challa was different. Saying he was to noble. I don't take that as a insult more like a flaw that kilmonger saw in him.
We also don't have to agree with killmonger's opinion of T'Challa 😜
@@mistsrider it's an interesting perspective though
T’Challa is just the unlucky one who have to face the consequences from his father’s mistake
@@hubbabubba2570 yeah you have to see the 2 sides of the stories. Not just act like wannabe heroes lmao.
Tchalla also respected Killmonger
"Are you going to be noble like your brother? Or take care of business....like me?"
"I'm not my brother. Namor will beg me for mercy as I stand and watch as he dies."
I can't blame Shuri for wanting revenge, Namor killed the only thing Shuri had to a family, but by dragging her people to their deaths for vengeance, it will make her no better than her cousin Killmonger before her.
I was expecting to see Ramonda, T'Challa or T'Chaka to show up and give Shuri an inspirational speech, so when this scene came up I gasped
You do know the actor for tchalla is dead right?
@@truegrit9202 They could've deepfaked him or used just voice samples. I'm glad they didn't, but the technology is totally there.
Yeah they could’ve CGI’ed him to at least have a cameo
Me too but was best so killmonger
@@nerdtuga9180 Producers made it very clear from the beginning. They were not going to use CGI or Deepfakes, or anything else to capture the late Chadwick Boseman into the film. That's why they changed the story and shaped Shuri's image to want revenge for her mother's death.
had chills man killmonger is just too good as a villian. marvel never maximized his potential
If he became a recurring villain, they would find a way to make him stale and soft and then retroactively whitewash his crimes and the things that made him badass and complex, just like they did with Loki. Now Loki is just another boring good guy, who makes funny funny little jokes. I dont want that for Killmonger. I want him to stay twisted with sympathetic motives but messed up methods. So its better that he died and had this cameo.
He’s pretty good in What If? His last words to Tony in that are honestly one of his best
I feel he was more antihero than villains, he didn't kill blindly for amusement
@@nikkimiddlekillsday5161 neither did a certain disgruntled rejected art school applicant. What exactly is your point?
@@owenleal ah no he killed for fun, he had absolutely NO noble cause or reasoning for his actions whatsoever
T'chaka told his son. "You are a good man, and it is hard for a good man to be King". T'Challa was too noble.
That a flaw.
OKay?
Ra al ghoul.
His actions did directly cause the death of Black Panther by destroying the herb
He was too noble.
“Nahh that ain’t on me” 😂 I love the delivery on that line 1:00 his attitude has not changed but his respect for T’Challa is greater.
Dats dat Oakland in that boy right der 😭
but his not respect for T'Challs is less, not greater.
I did love this though. It makes sense that it would be him rather than her mother, father, or brother.
She didn’t just need to be comforted, or to see her loved ones again. She needed to be reminded of what her new role was, and there was no one as equipped to address her pain and anger and direct it towards being a good leader.
What are you talking about? He gave her the worst advice possible, he said take care of business like me. AKA kill Namor, which was the worst thing she could have done for her country. It was M'Baku and the others who managed to talk her out of it, Killmonger made her worse. That was the point. that's why in the end when she spares Namor she sees her mother for a split second
What people don't realize is that he was the last to become the Panther 💀
He died one too. That totally tracks.
@@futuremovieactor that's fair lol
Nah T'Challa was, he got revived after Killmonger took the throne
*golden jaguar
@@Skhd_672_ He had the powers removed and then given back. So technically, he'd already gotten the power and then just had to get it back after that.
I adore their fact that they had Shuri see Killmonger and have an interaction with him. Amazing writing and incredible acting.
i liked the fact that Killmonger has developed respect for T'Challa and Queen Ramonda
Unlike T'Chaka, those two never swerved from their stated morals.
@@danielhaire6677 When he first speaks to T'Challa in the ancestral plane, he says It's hard to be a King and a good Man. That gives away his character
He never had issues with his family except his uncle, he wanted to be king so others like them would have a chance. I agree with both his and T'Challa's view on the matter: flooding vibranium weapons into black neighborhoods like where Erik grew up would have caused a lot of unnecessary violence but at the same time wakanda could have used their advanced technology to help the living conditions for those in the projects
It makes sense because It was only T'Chaka that wronged him by killing his father and leaving him as an orphan.
@@michaelmurray8134 It doesn't make sense because It was only T'Chaka that wronged him by killing his father and leaving him as an orphan.
This was one of the best plot twist since the revealation of Vulture being Liz's dad and Mysterio's CGI bar scene.
The Mysterio one was obvious. cmon
@@kachosuffer7 he means the way it happened. It was a really good scene that made a super obvious reveal feel interesting and memorable
@@danielz-v4083 yeah, most people who are familiar with the comics knew Mysterio was definitely hiding something, we just didn’t know exactly how and why he was like that until the bar scene
Or when Thanos had won at the ending of Infinity War
@@alpacawizardman6778didn't read the comics nor know anything about Mysterio before I watch FFH. I guessed it by the name itself, Mysterio. There's no way creepy name like Mysterio is not a villain. Like he's the "Mystery" that would confuse his nemesis in finding out the truth
this was such a fire scene and great twist. really shows how much inner hatred and killer mentality she had. it takes a lot to be the black panther.
She is correct about Kilmonger being the cause for her brother and mother being lost. All of that could have been prevented if he had not burned the herb or convince Wakanda to end its isolation.
Yes, but it was the correct course of action. Like killmonger said, saving riri wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for killmonger.
@@madhatten00 what? Lol. Them saving Riri is unconnected to him burning the herb. She’s right he did that out of cowardice. Even if he won the challenge he could have ruled as King and let that be that. He made it impossible for any panthers to come after him by burning the herb. If you remove the burning of the herb but leave everything else in Riri still would have been saved because T’Challa still would have changed because of what he learned in the first movie.
One thing tho after the events of BP1, Shuri and the scientist didn't find a way to re-create the herb?
Actually, it's technically t'chakas fault seeing as he killed killmongers father. I mean he's the black panther, I'm sure he could've disarmed jobu without killing him then leaving his son to fend for himself. Plus killmonger did win straight up so he is a King, as for him burning the herb, it was the "smart" thing to do as it made sure no one could challenge him and he saw the problem of the wakandans hiding while others suffered and chose to do something about it. As damaging as it was T'challa wouldve been a MUCH different king had he not realized how bad his father screwed up and he chose to help others because he didn't want any more killmongers.
So Shuri while having a legit gripe, can't say it's all killmongers fault. She needed to vent and killmonger was the perfect guy since she hated him but was becoming him which was why she saw him on the plane
@@cliffordgardner7975 but think about If T’Challa had never exposed the power of vibranium, then maybe Namor will never confront the wakandans.
I can’t help but think that in his own way, Killmonger was actually trying to convince Shuri not to go down the vengeance path or she’d end up a villain just like him. All his tough talk and aggression here might be him trying to hide his acknowledgement of the monster he became, mainly talking about how all his actions drove Wakanda to being better in the end. At 0:46 when he mentions the previous panthers before him were cowards, he adds "before T'Challa", showing N'jadaka has some respect for T'Challa to consider him different from his predecessors. Same thing with Ramonda at 1:02, approving how she helped the foreign outsider Riri when her husband didn't do the same for Killmonger. That led Erik to give his younger cousin a choice of being a hero like her brother that he respects (too noble) or a monster like him (take care of business). I could be over analyzing but it’s just an idea
Perhaps it was reverse psychology
I feel like since they didn't go the route of Killmonger corrupting Nakia and her becoming Malice as in the comics. This scene sort of replaces that dynamic. Swapping Nakia for Shuri.
His actions did indirectly cause the death of Black Panther by destroying the herb
Love how it cuts to Shuri being impaled after she says that Namor would beg her for mercy lmao
It's not a Ryan Coogler film without Michael B. Jordan 😂
If you will notice when Shuri is in the ancestral plane first she is inside water but she gets out but when she gets out she does not breathe heavily like how a person breathes when they get out of water when they are inside water for too long and even her clothes are not wet when she gets out of water. That is because she was in the ancestral plane and nothing actually happens to people who enter there. I guess clothes not getting wet or drowning or breathing heavily after coming out of water are also a part of it.
The respect he gave to T'Challa and Queen Ramonda is on another level. He had made points about Namor and T'Chakka which I think they are more alike.
Disrepcct.
Disrespect.
For me, their meeting was realised the moment the first Killmonger-y face details were shown.
1.I doubted they had Chadwick(RIP😪) come here as this script was an entirely different one than what they had before his condition was worsening. I doubt they had time to film that.
2.Why would her father appear? He would advise her in a wrong way, as it was wrong to kill his brother N'Jobu.
3. As for Ramonda.... I had a brief second of that idea over me, but it would be trying to stop her wish of revenge and make Shuri even angrier.
Then, I thought that to see what she wanted to be wrong, she needed to be pushed by someone who she'd never believe of sharing similar traits with. And then......
(Not that I explained it to myself this thouroughly in the theatre)
The ending got me rolling💀💀
🍢
Ngl the hair really fits him
While killmonger was vengeful in MCU, Adonis creed was the complete opposite.
It would’ve been SO MUCH better if they waited to show who she actually saw in the plane until later when she’s fighting Nemor. The payoff would’ve been so good
Maybe, maybe not. I think I would have been too troubled to enjoy it if they put it off so long.
Meanwhile in another reality:
Scar: Hypocrites? Those were the fools that came before me... the ones that came before Sim-
Kiara: DON'T mention my father. You're the very reason he's dead. You killed him, left us with no king to protect us! Then Zira came and killed Sarabi, her blood, HIS blood rests on YOUR CLAWS!
Scar: No... that wasn't my doing. Sarabi is to blame for her foolishness. Simba? He was far too noble and foolish a king. Now, what will you be, child? Will you be as noble as Simba? Or will you do what needs to be done, like me?
Killmonger was nothing like Scar
@@Lord2wiceAsReal yes and no depends on the way you view it
Killmonger is much more noble than scar. Scar took the throne for himself. Killmonger actually achieved his goal in the end. The wakandan outreach program wouldn't exist otherwise. To showcase and protect African children.
@@madhatten00 He’s a monster on our own making.
@@madhatten00 Glad to see my dumb post actuially starts conversations. Love it! And yes, you are right.
I like the part where Killmonger mentioned Baron Zemo 1:25
Zemo right?! He blew up the building resulting in T’Chaka( T’Challa’s fathers) death ☠️
HE an evil and hypocrite little sociopath monster.
@@yassinkoumaneh8288 He was too noble. That was no accident.
@@JEAMillennial13 Roger that.
@@yassinkoumaneh8288 He an evil hypocrite, he killed people family member.
I’m still confused as to how burning the herb had something to do with T’Challa death cause he was still the black Panther at the end of the first movie…
She tried to synthesize the herb again at the beginning of the movie because she thought it would save her brother from whatever disease was taking him. She failed. But she only had to do that because Killmonger burnt the original herbs.
@@djsosonut yea but at the end of BP1 he already drank the herb to fight killmonger
@@copile Yeah. She wanted him to take it again. Apparently thinking a fresh dose would help him. Probably like a booster shot. Or a new shot of penicillin.
@OZZY
The point is The Herb could have save his life, Herb is like a instanly antidote to wakandian and all the Herb is burn so oof nothing you can do save him from disease, And we all know the reason why he die because the actor die and alot people don't want him to replace a actor
@@PlaystationGamerZX Yep. That's real life. But to answer you question: In the movie she wanted to use the herb to save her brother and blames Killmonger for burning them so that wasn't an option. That simple.
I see that killmonger didnt change much in the end did he
he died staying true to his beliefs, so his ancestral spirit would remain the same.
tchalla literally said they could've saved him and he said no, he wanted to die.
It's never about his change. He was right. That's why tchalla decided to change their way.
He's totally narcissistic and psychotic. He would never change.
He did change somewhat. Before, he was just angry. But here? He was still vindictive, but he understood. He saw the conviction in his family. He just didn't agree. He's still beyond redemption, but he at least understood things beyond pain.
The best part of the entire movie
Best part of the movie but people hate Killmonger because he is right
No one hates Killmonger.
Man can’t agree because Killmonger had valid points and Shuri needed to meet him instead of anyone else
@predator9054 I don't know if you're agreeing with me. But Killmonger was the best part of the movie to me because he was always right. And he's the rightful King of Wakanda. He beat TChalla in ritual combat. Tchalla came back and the guards betrayed their King. They should've brought him back in BP2. He fit the role more to battle Namor with the unfortunate passing of Chad. We could've had him being an anti-hero but still be redeemable at the end by not killing Namor and leaving the throne to T'Challa's son as he teaches him how to fight and train for future endeavors. Instead we have another broken Kingdom. Sorry for the rant, I just dislike how they push Loki up and he gets a show when his reasoning for being the villain was worse than Killmonger.
He is one the anti villian that I cannot hate, He have a good reason to become a villian, wish he didn't have to trying to kill tchalla, Tchalla didn't know about that
Killmonger was wrong. From the moment he set foot in Wakanda, he caused nothing but destruction, division and violence and he would have spread that to the rest of the world. He had no interest in helping anyone.
I really appreciate this scene, not because it made me feel good, quite the opposite really. I had a feeling Shuri wouldn't see Ramonda or any of her immediate family when she took the herb. How could she? As Kilmonger said, she didn't believe in the Ancestral Plain. She rejected the concept of any after life in front of her mother. Tchalla got to see the Ancestral Plain because he believed in it, he accepted it as his culture. Like Kilmonger, Shuri rejected this part of her culture and took the herb with no thought but vengeance. As a consequence, she unknowingly shut herself out of the Ancestral Plain, cutting herself off from her family and ancestors that were waiting for her there.
Cowards that was panthers that came before me
Sins of the fathers. T'challa and Erik were on a collision course. T'challa didn't want to kill family. Erik thought he _had_ to.
They were both wrong. Shuri _might_ be able to continue Erik's interventionist policy without descending into Killmonger killfrenzy... By being motivated by compassion instead.
Ryan Coogler just can’t seem to do a feature film without MBJ
Can ya blame him?
@@alastormedial I guess not
@That Creative Legend I’m aware of that
FACTS BRUH! That man has been casting MBJ since the start of his movie directing debut: Fruitvile Station. Ryan keeps promoting the fk out of him. And me personally its annoying. I wouldnt be shock if Ryan Coogler's next gig is a Bronze Tiger live action movie with MBJ YOU'VE GUESSED IT as The Bronze Tiger.
I’m honestly convinced MBJ had that Space Jam cameo was because Coogler produced it
You can tell Killmonger's speech comes from him not from him gaining insight on what actually happened from the other ancestral panthers because yeah "T'Challa was too noble" is a lie since T'Challa spent most of Civil War on a quest for revenge against the man who he thought killed his father. It's only when he realized the truth and saw how much revenge had consumed him and how others were being used by it did he decide against it. And hell it was still a struggle at point. Like he was still ready to tear through Klaw when he caught him in the first BP and had to let go of some of that rage.
If only they kept this part for later, it would’ve made a bigger impact to see why Shuri did what she did in the end, just to be surprised on who exactly did she talk to in the realm.
For being criticizable about the potential continuity issues associated with the Ancestral Plane, this scene might be the best in Phase 4. Not only does it force Shuri to question herself, but in the end, it also lets her sympathize with Namor's backstory a little more.
"The world took everything away from me! Everything I ever loved!" -Killmonger, Black Panther (2018)
This is the stuff we like to see from Marvel. Not a bunch of crap jokes injected during terrible dialogue.
Minute 1:20 1:25
Killmonger watching Mirabel and Abuela Alma reconcile after so long, and judging Mirabel from his point of view...
(Hypothetically, of course)
Killmonger: Mirabel is just like T'Challa. She is too noble, she let the old woman who make her feel less live.
One of the best plot twists in this movie
I think killmonger did meet shuri in the ancestral plane because otherwise he wouldn't talk respectfully of T'Challa and the queen
And talk very negatively of the past panthers
I wished he had lived at the end of the first movie, he could have been another foil much like Loki, often causing trouble but also on occasion serve as an allie
I hate the hate against killmonger in this family, he's family and t'chaka left him in the states alone with no family and then wonder why he's angry and vindictive, he never got the love he should have gotten as a child and they look at him disgust and hatred as if he did something wrong.
Why isn’t anyone asking about when Killmonger said “your mother sacrificed her life to save a young girl from a lost tribe” is Riri Wakandan?
No, no. That's how he refers to other black people. He even calls them "Lost brothers and sisters" in the first movie
When he said that line, I knew and felt that us, black people in North America, are the people in the lost tribe…It makes sense
@@courtneytaylor3414 Not only you, he meant everyone cause he's been around the world fighting his cause. But that is definitely a bigger concentration in North America
I think you’re both wrong. He says, “…protect a young girl from the lost tribe.” He’s referring to Riri being saved FROM the Talokan.
@@brooksbelle7517 The Talokan people were never lost, they’ve hidden their existence. You can’t be lost and only a few even know your name, even agent Ross said it’s a country they don’t have intel on or know the military capacity to take them on 🤷🏿♀️
Did anyone else expect the CGI T’Challa to come and dance on the grave of Chadwick
Nice try troll try again
Shruti was right.
She was right.
She is right.
Shuri.
@@RayEljorindo5657-gk2iv okay.
was too noble.
He got that swag man sheeesh
Creed laying down some verbal smackdown
If he’s in the ancestral plane, I wonder if Killmonger and T’Challa ever hang there together. Besides his dad, N’jdaka hates everyone else (the other panthers) there, whom all would disregard him as an outsider. But T’challa is the only one who understood his cousin’s injustice and pain, as well as having Erik’s respect. In another life (most likely somewhere in the multiverse) they could’ve been like brothers . So it’d be a nice thought that N’jdaka didn’t have to spend his eternal afterlife completely alone
holy shit i didn’t know he’d make an appearance
Such a great scene
I felt just as shocked as Shuri the second they showed Killmonger instead of anyone else.
I got caught Completely off guard when i saw him because i thought she would see T'challa and learn a life lesson of keeping the family's legacy , but That was a great scene tho
Shuri definetly gave off Queen of Blades vibes until the end of that last fight
Man I wish they did more with killmonger, the entire movie was mehh, but once MBJ showed up it was instantly chills, he was made for the role, best part of the movie for me, some might disagree but aye.
The amount of mental gymnastics performed in this scene in order to make a sociopath appear magnanimous is both hilarious and sad at the same time.
Sociopath is aggressive
Those locs Michael had looked very real 😂
This was good
When I saw this scene I was hoping that shuri was about to become a dark black panther. Like a combo of t’challa and killmonger.
Look at Kiplinger's spitting out jewels! Mentioning the lost tribes
I appreciate that Killmonger did not speak ill of his late cousin T'Challa.
Even though he said that T'Challa was "too noble", he meant that T'Challa always chose to be the bigger person. He didn't call him soft.
He did call him too soft.
Damn, Michael B Jordan is a good actor!
Yep, I expect to see Erik Killmonger in Wakanda's version of Hell.
If the ancestral plane is Wakanda's version of Heaven depending on the sins of the Wakanda native.
Both the queen and king have similar deaths by explosion and both T’Challa and Shuri have to go on a similar journey deciding what type of black panther they are going to be because of these events.
Shuri: How?
Killmonger: Since Chadwick Boseman is dead and we can't find any actors to replace him, they got me :)
Way homie says “little cousin”
This scene still gives me chills- it's fantastic! Michael B Jordan is brilliant in this scene.
Are u gonna to be noble like your brother or just take care business like me 😮
My favorite scene in the movie
He had his way but he wasn't entirely wrong from beginning
Killpomger was right about the challa was too noble.
And Killmonger was too vicious. Taking care of business and nearly got Wakanda burned. Man was a fool.
and also, T challa was a fool and too noble.
@@EL-SodSeedbomb1232-ul9hc ok.
Right.
@@EL-SodSeedbomb1232-ul9hc Okay.
Killmonger was my guy in the 1st movie and really wish he was in end game
« … or you gonna take of business, like me? »
craziest scene in the movie fasho
Shuri met Killmonger becuz her heart currently filled with vengence
Life after life 👨🏿🦱👩🏿🦱👼🏿☀️
Killmonger makes some good points in a way
Who doin his retwist in the afterlife 😭
She saw Killmonger because of her feelings for revenge
It is a shame being noble did not save T’Challa.
He too he let that evil Zemo lives.
What would happen if Shuri became just like Killmonger? Would she have thrown Namor into a Volcano 🌋 just like how Killmonger threw her brother into the bottom of the waterfalls?
Yoo could you imagine that? 😱
2:13 "She sacrificed herself to protect that girl from the lost tribe". Hmmm🤔 now I wonder why he said that????
Plot twist kill monger escapes from the underworld like kratos
In the comics He actually gets resurrected
Moon knight told us that we go to whatever realm we believe in. Since Shuri is an atheist, she did not go to the ancestral plane. This whole sequence is just her dream.
I love Michael B Jordan❤
Aapki baar phir se Modi sarkar ~ kill monger
Theory: I think they are actually siblings
Kilmonger’s right, despite everything.
Kilmonger’s wrong, despite everything.
Kill monger was right about t-challa was too noble.
he was too noble.
If T'Challa Black Panther won for the third time against someone who wanted the throne, What would happen if he saw Killmonger in the Ancestral Plane?
I wasn't a fan of the lost tribe route they went through (I mean seriously, how many lost tribes and cities are there on Marvel Earth???) But this film was a beautifully crafted tribute to Chadwick Boseman
Killmonger evil.
What the hell is he doing here?
Killomger was right.