Exactly ^ agree totally and get jailed for long time also on top ..Rangers should at least be made to hand all medals back as well as what i mentioned way above ..
Britain robbed entire countries and never had to pay it back. British museums are jam packed with things stolen from other countries. It's the self same attitude at Rangers.
It's absurd and disgusting they weren't stripped but nobody believes The Rangers won these trophies anyway. Only their fans believe that. Everybody else knows the new club have 3 trophies.
@@igolfjtweetler4097 uefa fifa spfl SFA and every football authority the world believes it. What’s disgusting is the fact that separate entity FC haven’t ( yet) been punished by the league for being the perpetrators of the biggest child abuse case of the history of world sport. Over 300 vicTIMS. with 9 paedophenian coaches convinced and jailed. This went on over 6 decades at the bigjockknewco and was hidden by the football authorities. Not one child was hurt when Rangers were liquidated. Tell that to the over 300 and counting kids. 🤫
The question should be why a new club formed in 2012 (Sevco 5088) was awarded the trophies of a club that ceased to exist. Sevco, (re-named The Rangers) did not win any trophies for years and have no entitlement to trophies won by another club which no longer exists.
It was shocking that our board did not pursue this as it impacted on our club at the time. Why was that? Did they want to avoid the continuation myth being exposed and their role in resurrecting Rangers coming out?
Graham insisting rangers fans been punished enough, completely ignoring the fans of other clubs that were cheated for a decade, its those fans that need to see the ebt titles struck off
I’m sure Lance Armstrong got stripped of his Tour De France winners medals when he was confirmed as a cheat. So of course rangers should be stripped of the titles.
I agree with Alex, the trophies should have been stripped. However, instead they were given a 250k fine and a transfer embargo that only started after they were allowed to sign players and the transfer window had closed. The whole lord nimmo smith review into rangers use of ebt was a sham. The ruling was based on a false pretext, i.e. Rangers did not break the law and any other team could have used EBTs and DoSs without breaking tax laws. It wasn't true at the time as the DoS scheme was deemed to have been a violation and the EBTs were later proven to be operated unlawfully as well. All that being said, the worst part of this scandal is that there were people at the top of the SFA who were aware of the cheating and allowed it to continue. I should also point out that the crux of this issue is that Rangers did not declare these payments when they registered players. This meant they violated the registration rules, which meant they fielded ineligible players for well over a decade. It was a disgrace then and is still a disgrace today.
Well, I hope the Teddies enjoyed those days because they won’t be happening again. UEFA’s ‘financial sustainability’ regulations will see to that, it’s no longer in the hands of the SFA. Celtic Park has a 10,000 seat advantage, giving them a £10million head-start every season. Celtic’s ‘player trading’ model is years ahead of theirs. And, as a result, Celtic will get the opportunity to qualify for the Champions League every season. Ibrox has no money, they’re in tens of £millions of debt every year, they’ve players on huge contracts that no-one wants, and they’re now stuck with Clement. It’ll be AUSTERITY IBROX for many years to come.
Lolly72 - I believe Celtic are due to settle out of court with the abuse victims. That’s something they should have done years ago. So, you can now turn your attention to your own club’s victims. But, you won’t do that will you…? Because you don’t really care about the victims.
@@tinamac2380 you’re right pal, he’s point scoring in the most disgusting way possible and absolutely doesn’t care about any victims of either club. Sick in the head. And you’re right, look at our net transfers over the past decade and compare to them, we’re up about £100mill on them, up about £100 mill in money from match days. Qualified for CL 5 times vs 1 this decade another £100m difference. I’m sure they have a bunch of director loans still to be paid back while we are cash rich. 18 points behind currently. These facts are why he can’t argue unless he goes down a very dark road.
@@tinamac2380 The guy at Rangers was sacked immediately. At Celtic there was years and years of denying and lying and pretending it was a separate entity, and now you are pretending that you are coming out on top here after finally admitting your crimes? That’s not how this will work for you I’m afraid. The Victims will tell all how your club ruined lives forever, and everyone will know what Celtic FC stand for.
@@frankfrank2637 I’m telling the truth, the truth that will set the victims, but not your club, free. While your club and support did nothing but pretend nothing ever happened to further your success on the park. Don’t try and make out other fans are “Evil” for pointing out the true evil that happened at your club.
Of course they should have had the titles removed, the liquidation is neither here nor there. When Lance Armstrong cheated to win his tour de France titles, & admitted it , the authorities HAD to act. Shame on the SFA.
I just wonder if you would extend your recommendation of Graham if he were to tell the truth about the number of boys abused during the Celtic nine in a row campaign. The mhedia seem very silent on this scandal and it’s eventual cost to celtic, both in reputation and cash.
Even now virtually all the Journalists who openly reported Glasgow Rangers death have done 180's and now ignore the liquidation as if 2012 never happened. It IS a matter of record, they cheated, got caught and were liquidated - died - a new club The Rangers FC were formed with Green buying the old trophies.
@@JGI43 Ah the old Semantics Trap!!! Are you really pinning your hopes on that definition, in the hope that people will believe something else the fact are out there go read and Educate yourself. Dearie, Dearie Me the truth can hurt.
I want to make a different but related point. I like Super Scoreboard on Clyde 1. I think the host, the guys on it, and for the most part the callers, are passionate, well-informed, likeable people. But I find it truly odd that this whole saga is never, ever mentioned on that show. if anyone refers to it or seems like they're about to bring it up, the subject gets changed. Just think how odd this is. SSB is the main football phone in for the country. Rangers' liquidation is arguably the biggest story in the history of Scottish football. And they never mention it. it's like if Manchester United went bust and nobody mentioned it on 606.
The club ended and a new club started but got to claim another club's trophy's , what part of that isn't insane , if it had happened to a small club like Dundee utd then , it wouldn't be any discussion about a new Dundee utd having a clean slate with no trophy's. But it's The Rangers.
That's just the thing; it wouldn't have been allowed to happen with a little club. They'd have been made to start from absolute scratch by the SFA, who are just as corrupt as the Zombies.
Speirs desperate to fudge the issue around trophies. Cheats in every sport are stripped of accolades despite the fact that their fans/supporters will be upset about it. Absolutely pathetic stance to take "haven't they been punished enough?" No Graham because the standard punishment for cheating hasn't been applied.
@@DoggGaming Did you not hear him fudging the question about the biggest child abuse in the history of world sport. Separate entity FC ? over 5 decades , 300 vicTIMS, 9 convicted paedophenian coaches and their version of EBTs. = Every Bhoys Tadger. 🤫
They should not have started in the lower leagues of scottish football but in the Lowland leagues pyramid system ...They are a new club scottish football club with a new licence from THE SFA /UEFA .. Can you imagine the public disorder .. and i think this is the only reason why they did not end up in the lower leagues. The fan base will kill the New co club and they can not see it happening.
Aside from claim to cheated titles how come liquidated Gretna and Airdrie weren't allowed to call themselves same club with foundation dates 1946 and 1878 but the Rangers newco was? They should both sue to the highest court.
Yes Graham they were liquidated but they also still claim these stolen titles and cup victories in their overall trophy hawl. 5 league titles and 8 cups won unlawfully. Still never been punished but who do you punish? Oldco? Newco? Their should at least be a distinction between both when talking about trophies won or if were to go along with the line they are trying to feed us that they are still the same club then the club should be punished with stripped titles etc that reflect the amount the “won” unlawfully.
Their club died. To suggest the embarrassment is punishment enough, when the Rangers support suffer from a gigantic case of cognitive dissonance is laughable. I actually don't mind Graeme, but he has a belly full of succulent lamb.
Tell me the difference between sacked immediately, and swept under the carpet, rehired, and many more abused? Answers on a postcard from the separate entity n-once ring.
@@StewbieKnewLikeCFCDid rangers never reported anybody. thats a fact. go on thompsons solicitors, they are taking rangers to court. will just be after celtic
You've got a cheek your club knowingly rehired paedo to stop any bad press what if that had been made know would yous have had the same sponsorship and income over those years? Pay the victims.
Lolly nae mates, u can just tell this creep has zero patter and no friends, and probably never had a girlfriend or boyfriend. He gets very excited when this subject is mentioned or he loves to bring it up first which makes you wonder, is he one but hiding it in plain site.He should be investigated, sure his ph or laptop would reveal an underlying unhealthy obsession with this subject.....just saying Lolly.Even the names creepy!
Murray is selling land all over Scotland to build houses on. This is one bitter clown if he s that bothered why does he not ask celik and the rest why they knew about it for 10 year and let it happen
There is precedent for titles being stripped for cheating. In Australia (a commonwealth country with a legal system based on the United Kingdom), The Rugby League competition has a salary cap. In other words each club is limited in the total amount they can spend on total player payment. Melbourne Storm won the championship in 2007 and 2009. However they paid their players over the salary cap and maintained 2 sets of accounts, one which they presented to the authorities (including Tax) and the real account. They were found out. Not only did they receive large fines and penalties (including sacking of key staff) but the National Rugby League STRIPPED the Melbourne Storm of the 2007 and 2009 Championships. In the record books these 2 championships are listed as not awarded. This is exactly what should happen to the ranger, (even today. Those championships should be stripped and not awarded.
I believe that intent is the difference here. Keeping two sets of books is obviously intentionally defrauding and cheating, where as everybody knew ebts were being used at Rangers and other clubs. They were not keeping two sets of books. EBTS were used by loads of the teams in the English Premier league too and the tax people also knew about them. Top accountants were assuring Rangers and other clubs that ebts were completely legal. Furthermore, Hmrc admitted to picking on Rangers as a test case because they didn't have the clought that the big teams in the English Premier league to defend an attack by Hmrc. Several lower courts still found ebts to be legal before HMRC finally took it all the way to the Supreme Court and won. Arguably, they ruled in favour of the Hmrc because they were told to by the higher ups! However the extreme fines initially quoted to Rangers, by hmrc which caused murry to sell it for a quid, were found to be false and way over the top. It was deliberate scare mongering and bit was bullying and unprofessional of hmrc to say the least. Put simply it's not cheating if the experts all confirm it's not illegal and it only officially became illegal after the rulling by the Supreme court. As far as tripping titles goes that is why i don't think you can therefore strip the titles. None of the teams in the English leagues that were using ebts have had the question of titles being stripped! Why is this. But I accept that it is a moot point as the new company (but with the same supporting fans, going to the same historic stadium) has only won a few trophies. It is, therefore, a passionate and subjective question to ask if they are essentially the same club though given these facts, whilst it is irrefutable that it is a new incorporated company. One could argue that all clubs evolve. New manages, players, stadiums, new owners, new investors and share holders, new boards and new ceos. Technically they are the same company but what really makes it the same club surely must be the same fans!
@grahamnimmo4656 I would say that a crucial difference to Rangers EBTs to other clubs that used them is that Rangers withheld indemnifying letters from the SFA. It's the act of not disclosing these 'side letters' and in some cases denying their existence is what's punishable. In doing this Rangers failed to register players correctly, making them ineligible. I note that some players with EBTs did not have 'side letters' they are are only a Tax issue not a SFA one. Folk tend to lump all EBTs together but there was a difference. There was also the DOS scheme (Flo and De Beor?) where Rangers admitted liability and registration failure. Ignored as not in the EBT remit.
Like winning an egg and spoon race with chewing gum on the spoon. Getting caught and being allowed to keep the medal. Yea, it wouldn’t even happen in a primary school.
Graham i have always admired your writing and respected your opinions but, your unwillingness to say that rangers were liquidated and should not be able to claim trophies won by another club, is very poor.
Any other time, a team plays an ineligible player then they forfeit that match 3 nil. Every time a rangers player with an ebt stepped onto the field, he was ineligible to play and every match should be historically forfeited. It happens all over the world except Scotland because it is Rangers.
Nah, first Celtic had to give the Green light 😂 and only once we knew we could control the NEW club @ The RINGERS 2012, (made from damaged stolen and broken parts) and delay andcplay wi their journey back to near the top ! We gave a 25 year sentence so yer nearly half way their ! We also demanded all your players go ti Mass 😂 💚💛
Comment section is missing all the demented, dissenting, nonsensical, arguments against. Probably, it has something to do with all the facts in this piece.
Any opinion on a punishment for the biggest child abuse scandal in the history of world sport ? Over 300 vicTIMS ( and counting) 9 jailed coaches at the bigjockknewco ( and counting). Media puppets are silent about this. WHY???
Do you think Celtic fans would stay quiet if it was Rangers who had been caught out --- no chance -- you are slabbering if you think anything different
@@jamesemanuel9798well you were caught weren’t you. Both Gordon Neely and Harry Dunn abused children for years with impunity at Ibrox. To rub salt into the wounds of the victims The Rangers then stated that it was “The Oldco who were responsible and are not financially liable as they ceased to exist as of 2012. (Make your minds up lads eh) Both were even packed off quietly after years at Ibrox with glowing recommendations for them to continue practicing this despicable behaviour elsewhere. That’s before we get to the financial corruption and cheating. Classy club eh! 🤔
@@stewbie5086 naw actually we haven’t. The guy at Rangers was sacked immediately, your club however are going through a class action court case for years of lying and denying and pretending it was a separate entity. Now tell me I’m wrong on that statement? And try not to point the finger
@@joehamiltonsongs At least you are honest about it…You WISHED Rangers had died back in 2012. That’s why this old chestnut has so much mileage in it for the pro Celtic poodles and Celtic fans trying to change reality. At least it allowed yous a free run to catch up with Rangers and a chance to overtake them but clearly that’s not enough when the DEATH of your rivals was the dream scenario.
Unless every club starts the season with the same funds then 1 or 2 clubs will always have a perpetual unfair (and unsporting) advantage Regardless of how it is achieved
@@Old_Scot Was it ? It was Jim Traynor who coined that description when he was invited to Dinner with David Murray and the meal was Lamb which he described as The most Succulent Lamb. This Genteelism was then picked up by Journalists (Phil Mac Giolla Bahin springs to mind) and as they say the rest is History
The Rangers* fans have learned to stand in front of the mirror and say "We were nearly liquidated 10 years ago..." Aye, you mean they've learned to LIE to themselves? The weren't NEARLY liquidated they WERE liquidated, completely and utterly, that's why there was a "Club 12", that's why they were put (absolutely corruptly) into the 4th tier (should have been Lowland League or similar, the kind of level a Kelty Hearts or Spartans came from. That's why their name isn't the same no matter how much they try and pretend otherwise. It doesn't matter that the OG Rangers are dead, or the fans suffered that humiliation. Those titles were still obtained by illegal means and thus should be stripped from the records of the dead club. Alex Thomson displays such incredulity that they haven't been because he is a normal, rational human being with a mind based in reality and the pursuit of legal justice who exists outside of the pernicious influence of the dark forces that truly run things in Scotland...and that's not the SNP, Labour, or anyone else you might think of. I can absolutely guarantee with 100% certainty that if that had happened to Celtic the Scottish media would NEVER have let this be a debate (not that they'd have to, the SFA wouldn't hesitate to go after Celtic) and those titles would have been stripped at the very first opportunity. Anyone denying there are Rangers sympathisers throughout the SFA need only look at how other clubs who have for example accidentally failed to register trialists before games have then been swiftly penalised within days or weeks of the match occurring...yet here we are more than a decade later and nothing has been done about the OldCo. The truth is that if the SFA declared all the games the old Rangers played with EBT players as nullified, 3 points awarded to the opponents and thus stripped the titles/cups then UEFA would be forced to do the same with all of the European games the dead club played in the decade or so it was going on. That would be a MASSIVE can of worms and lawsuits would be flying left, right and centre. There's no appetite for such action and thus the scum have gotten away with it....sort of, because their club is dead and no other fan in Scotland will let them forget that. And their new club is an absolute joke of an organisation which will struggle to get beyond the level of an Aberdeen or Hearts whilst watching the glorious, glorious Glasgow Celtic achieve success after success after success with surplus liquidity beyond the annual turnover of the NewCo, year after year after year.. A glorious time to be a Celtic fan, made all the sweeter by the karmic pain that the scum have inflicted upon themselves.
Well the owner of Rangers had a relationship with a Director of a Bank . IT MAKES YOU WONDER if any of the funds he gave access to were a ANATHEMA unknown to the public who had their money in that Bank and may well have been used to keep that Club afloat . It sparks memories of the owner of that Club making a statement of for every £5 Celtic spend we will spend £10 it certainly makes you think where they got their money from.
We know exactly what Dave and Fred were upto ! It has all been shown ! Murray bankers got took over and his sweet swindling days were numbered ! We have it all ! Factual records !
Of course he's right. The club being liquidated as an argument for not stripping them of their titles is nonsense. The 'new' club still counts the trophy count in their history. Fifty years from now, the liquidation and formation of the new club will be forgotten about, but the trophy count in the record books will still stand. The record books don't even have an asterisk beside these trophies to explain that they were won whilst financially breaking the law to gain a sporting advantage.
Let's get one thing straight. AFC Wimbledon deserve there clubs titles and cups and European record of it historical facts. But rangers FC. Dissolved to sevco 2012. .they shouldn't be allowed keep titles and status of dissolved club called Glasgow rangers FC
@@shamrockgerry One of the shadowy anonymous figures at HMRC only recently was clearly taking the piss when stating that a deal could have been done back in 2012…erm but of course it didn’t happen because they were determined to see it play out as planned. The whole thing the way it was handled, the costs in court actions, the botch ups and shady dealings involving HMRC employees, the administrators, police incompetence and the filthy rat infested media will be looked upon from now on as a BIGGER story than the actual dispute that kicked the whole thing off.
Did he discuss the media inflating the debt the club was under and how it impacted on possible buyers,,, what did he say about the paedophile ring at Parkhead? Thompsons words not mine before you start.
😂 aye buyers take the info from fat traynor & jekyl jackson ! Have you heard of audits ? Murray the swindling crook , bankers got took over and he was kicked out ! Bye bye rngrs💚💛
If that’s the case should Celtic be stripped of their titles for the 4 decades of cheating by the Kelly’s and White’s when they were fiddling Celtic’s attendance figures ??
How many did the same club investment throughout the uk, this includes Celtic , Man United , Leeds, in total at the time this was a player retirement benefits scheme due to injury and early sports income, we have to understand the was signed off by SFA and UAFA, it was another tax insensitive that everyone in the game would take on board,
So, tell me, are Celtic to be stripped of the titles they won whilst Chris Sutton and Craig Bellamy were living a lifestyle that they would ultimately not be able to pay for when they entered bankruptcy?
Wow All the while! Celtic were also using the EBT scheme alongside clubs like Arsenal and nowadays Man City are breaking many rules yet these guys are still going on about Rangers. Sick Minds
Rangers have a framed picture of King Charles in their changing room. Rangers fans sing God save the King . King Charles is hiding his brother, Prince Andrew, from the FBI on child trafficking and child abuse charges in the USA.
Seems your forgetting about walter and graham walter on a plinth outside ibrox not forgetting the 66 murdered pay them over half a century and not a penny paid in compensation dirty scum barstewards
Ceptic went out of business, so all theee titles sjhould be erased as well. They also partook of the same system as Rangers so the same thing should have happened to ceptic.
EBTs (the system you are talkin about) were allowed so long as the player gets the money when he leaves. We paid the player in question after not during as per rules. Your players were gettin paid whilst playing for rangers. That's the difference 🤡
Every zombie I know who says we bought the history....I ask when yer granda or granny dies do you run down to the old age home and buy another one and call it granny?
@@ethel1690cardew I know a Celtic fan named James who technically died but with the swift intervention of medics he was brought back to life, I now call him Dick as he surely can’t be the same person despite his protestations he’s in the same body he always had and is 100% 68 years old. I never did like the name James.
@@Gorgutsforcongress this is where your deluded on that deludamol 1 title in the last 12 years have you forgot in reality rangers went out of business and were liquidated duh different name different club play at same stadium doesn't equate to 55 the whole world knows apart from the saddo fans wake up and get real
So the club that’s never been defeated and is always cheated that desperately includes dubious war trophies in it’s historical tally and has had the most advantageous situation in the entire history of Scottish football beginning in 2012 to present allowing it to catch up with its fiercest rival’s trophy haul is still harping on about stripping Rangers of silverware to TRY and put some distance between the two clubs? My my it only further confirms the fact that the Celtic hordes can’t…I repeat CAN’T handle the rivalry with a STRONG Rangers..we saw clear evidence of that when Rangers toppled them albeit briefly under Steven Gerrard. The rivalry it appears is only acceptable to Celtic fans if it’s a one way, weak shit show that Rangers have been for too long and still are and let’s be honest, the whole league overall is extremely poor in most aspects you care to mention in comparison to how things were in the 90s and 2000s. Back when Rangers were in a much healthier state the league was more watchable, commercially lucrative, more competitive than the current state of play ..everyone made money…how various club’s managed that money is another matter! I get it though, it’s always going to be a nagging feeling for those who HATE so much knowing that the Santa Claus letter days can’t and won’t last forever and coexisting with a sizeable number of people with long memories is going to be extremely miserable indeed. We haven’t gone away you know as much as you most certainly wished we did but imagine just for a moment what it’s going to be like when the tables turn? Yous do KNOW the tables will turn! I could say enjoy it while it lasts but the reality is Rangers whatever some maniacs fantasise is or isn’t will always be here and we’ll fight til the day is done!
@@250wattsThere was no cheating the EBTs were legal at the time and always transparent in the club’s annual accounts. They were one of various dodgy tax schemes being used by many businesses and individuals… SOME prominent Celtic employees went more down the INDIVIDUAL route as I am sure you are aware and the EBT thing was used for the Juninho deal. Tell me something…WHO exactly made dodgy tax schemes legit? I never hear ANYONE go after the b@stard(s) who devised these schemes with loopholes in the first place. Guess what though I left a big box of delicious cream cakes in the work’s 4:23 canteen one morning and was looking forward to having one at break with a coffee, they were all gone..surprise surprise! If a proposal is made to you there’s a way to avoid or pay less tax and it’s legal you would perhaps take advantage of that situation as MANY did and probably still do and when you see the paltry sums of money billion dollar companies have got away with paying in tax it is utterly ridiculous in comparison to the sums of money involved in many other tax cases that have come to the public’s attention. A very dirty murky world is the tax system AND other schemes and scams being used and currently under scrutiny to get round the FFP rules but the EBT issue is not the big stick people try to make it out to be all things considered.
if you rob a bank and get caught you are not allowed to keep the money :(
Exactly ^ agree totally and get jailed for long time also on top ..Rangers should at least be made to hand all medals back as well as what i mentioned way above ..
Unless your a mason . ☘️☘️☘️🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
Britain robbed entire countries and never had to pay it back. British museums are jam packed with things stolen from other countries. It's the self same attitude at Rangers.
@@IrishSpursFan If you abuse over 300 little bhoys you should be shut down.
@Bundleehfun What’s the biggest crime? Rangers EBTs. Or Separate Entity FC EBTs.= Every Bhoys Tadgers ? Over 300 and counting. 🤮
It's absurd and disgusting they weren't stripped but nobody believes The Rangers won these trophies anyway. Only their fans believe that. Everybody else knows the new club have 3 trophies.
@@igolfjtweetler4097 uefa fifa spfl SFA and every football authority the world believes it. What’s disgusting is the fact that separate entity FC haven’t ( yet) been punished by the league for being the perpetrators of the biggest child abuse case of the history of world sport. Over 300 vicTIMS. with 9 paedophenian coaches convinced and jailed. This went on over 6 decades at the bigjockknewco and was hidden by the football authorities. Not one child was hurt when Rangers were liquidated. Tell that to the over 300 and counting kids. 🤫
2 ! Football without fans...does NOT count 💚💛
The question should be why a new club formed in 2012 (Sevco 5088) was awarded the trophies of a club that ceased to exist. Sevco, (re-named The Rangers) did not win any trophies for years and have no entitlement to trophies won by another club which no longer exists.
Very good point I never thought of it like rhat
Sfa granted them a euro licence to help their dead club & u expect them to strip titles ffs. Sfa wouldn't punish their own club.
Exactly hail hail
It was shocking that our board did not pursue this as it impacted on our club at the time.
Why was that? Did they want to avoid the continuation myth being exposed and their role in resurrecting Rangers coming out?
@rabmcnair4488 Don't think it's any secret our board didn't want them going down cause of the pennies.
@JAZZYCFCaccording to lawwell he has never seen the secret 5 way agreement which I find hard to believe.
@robertmcnair5102 He's at it mate.
Graham insisting rangers fans been punished enough, completely ignoring the fans of other clubs that were cheated for a decade, its those fans that need to see the ebt titles struck off
He would no he is one
And the cups awarded to the losing finalist
@@The_Macaroon Celtic were using ebt payments also 🤡
a tiger can't change its stripes once one always one
Titles should go to the second place team and the cups should go to the other finalists.
I’m sure Lance Armstrong got stripped of his Tour De France winners medals when he was confirmed as a cheat. So of course rangers should be stripped of the titles.
I agree with Alex, the trophies should have been stripped. However, instead they were given a 250k fine and a transfer embargo that only started after they were allowed to sign players and the transfer window had closed.
The whole lord nimmo smith review into rangers use of ebt was a sham. The ruling was based on a false pretext, i.e. Rangers did not break the law and any other team could have used EBTs and DoSs without breaking tax laws. It wasn't true at the time as the DoS scheme was deemed to have been a violation and the EBTs were later proven to be operated unlawfully as well.
All that being said, the worst part of this scandal is that there were people at the top of the SFA who were aware of the cheating and allowed it to continue.
I should also point out that the crux of this issue is that Rangers did not declare these payments when they registered players. This meant they violated the registration rules, which meant they fielded ineligible players for well over a decade. It was a disgrace then and is still a disgrace today.
The Tainted Titles
Strip the Cheating Years Titles Now …
Well, I hope the Teddies enjoyed those days because they won’t be happening again. UEFA’s ‘financial sustainability’ regulations will see to that, it’s no longer in the hands of the SFA. Celtic Park has a 10,000 seat advantage, giving them a £10million head-start every season. Celtic’s ‘player trading’ model is years ahead of theirs. And, as a result, Celtic will get the opportunity to qualify for the Champions League every season. Ibrox has no money, they’re in tens of £millions of debt every year, they’ve players on huge contracts that no-one wants, and they’re now stuck with Clement. It’ll be AUSTERITY IBROX for many years to come.
The court case will deal with your club. Sweep sweep
Lolly72 - I believe Celtic are due to settle out of court with the abuse victims. That’s something they should have done years ago. So, you can now turn your attention to your own club’s victims. But, you won’t do that will you…? Because you don’t really care about the victims.
@@tinamac2380 you’re right pal, he’s point scoring in the most disgusting way possible and absolutely doesn’t care about any victims of either club. Sick in the head.
And you’re right, look at our net transfers over the past decade and compare to them, we’re up about £100mill on them, up about £100 mill in money from match days. Qualified for CL 5 times vs 1 this decade another £100m difference. I’m sure they have a bunch of director loans still to be paid back while we are cash rich. 18 points behind currently.
These facts are why he can’t argue unless he goes down a very dark road.
@@tinamac2380 The guy at Rangers was sacked immediately. At Celtic there was years and years of denying and lying and pretending it was a separate entity, and now you are pretending that you are coming out on top here after finally admitting your crimes? That’s not how this will work for you I’m afraid. The Victims will tell all how your club ruined lives forever, and everyone will know what Celtic FC stand for.
@@frankfrank2637 I’m telling the truth, the truth that will set the victims, but not your club, free. While your club and support did nothing but pretend nothing ever happened to further your success on the park. Don’t try and make out other fans are “Evil” for pointing out the true evil that happened at your club.
THAT IBROX CLUB KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING- SO THEREFORE THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THOSE ILLEGAL TITLES
Why not ask the SFA / SPFL why Sevco were awarded these trophies? Make them answer the question.
And ask why Pacific shelf never needed to start at the bottom.
@@stewartbalmer1515 Because there was no liquidation. Full stop.
Of course they should have had the titles removed, the liquidation is neither here nor there.
When Lance Armstrong cheated to win his tour de France titles, & admitted it , the authorities HAD to act.
Shame on the SFA.
Graeme has always been the best journalist in Scotland. The only person brave enough to speak unbiased truth.
I just wonder if you would extend your recommendation of Graham if he were to tell the truth about the number of boys abused during the Celtic nine in a row campaign. The mhedia seem very silent on this scandal and it’s eventual cost to celtic, both in reputation and cash.
@ yet another Sevco fan obsessed with pedophiles because he has no football argument. #harry #dunn #gordon #neely
Even now virtually all the Journalists who openly reported Glasgow Rangers death have done 180's and now ignore the liquidation as if 2012 never happened. It IS a matter of record, they cheated, got caught and were liquidated - died - a new club The Rangers FC were formed with Green buying the old trophies.
@@MagnetCSC u can't liquidise a club , the holding company was , deal with it
When was the ‘Holding company’ incorporated?
@@JGI43Tell that to Third Lanark, Airdrieonians, Gretna, Bury etc
@@JGI43 Ah the old Semantics Trap!!! Are you really pinning your hopes on that definition, in the hope that people will believe something else the fact are out there go read and Educate yourself. Dearie, Dearie Me the truth can hurt.
The RINGERS 2012 , made from damaged stolen and broken parts
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I want to make a different but related point. I like Super Scoreboard on Clyde 1. I think the host, the guys on it, and for the most part the callers, are passionate, well-informed, likeable people. But I find it truly odd that this whole saga is never, ever mentioned on that show. if anyone refers to it or seems like they're about to bring it up, the subject gets changed. Just think how odd this is. SSB is the main football phone in for the country. Rangers' liquidation is arguably the biggest story in the history of Scottish football. And they never mention it. it's like if Manchester United went bust and nobody mentioned it on 606.
I'm sure an official move could still be put forward to have Rangers stripped of trophies between 2000 and 2011?
Your hoping and praying u mug
The club ended and a new club started but got to claim another club's trophy's , what part of that isn't insane , if it had happened to a small club like Dundee utd then , it wouldn't be any discussion about a new Dundee utd having a clean slate with no trophy's.
But it's The Rangers.
That's just the thing; it wouldn't have been allowed to happen with a little club.
They'd have been made to start from absolute scratch by the SFA, who are just as corrupt as the Zombies.
A real journalist…rips through the nonsense with absolute ease and presents a case that is 100% correct and unarguable
Just look at their 'Make Ranger's Great Again' pathetic Tifo... Tells you everything you need to know.
Cry more 🇺🇲
Speirs desperate to fudge the issue around trophies. Cheats in every sport are stripped of accolades despite the fact that their fans/supporters will be upset about it. Absolutely pathetic stance to take "haven't they been punished enough?" No Graham because the standard punishment for cheating hasn't been applied.
@@DoggGaming Did you not hear him fudging the question about the biggest child abuse in the history of world sport. Separate entity FC ? over 5 decades , 300 vicTIMS, 9 convicted paedophenian coaches and their version of EBTs. = Every Bhoys Tadger. 🤫
Give us back our titles it should be 125titles
They should not have started in the lower leagues of scottish football but in the Lowland leagues pyramid system ...They are a new club scottish football club with a new licence from THE SFA /UEFA .. Can you imagine the public disorder .. and i think this is the only reason why they did not end up in the lower leagues. The fan base will kill the New co club and they can not see it happening.
They couldn't even manage to re engage , they were running about East Fife and uchter Montrose scrambling fir draws , shouting Surrender ! 😂
But we still have them. So get it right up you. WATP 💙
Tax free Titles aren't Guilt free Titles...
Get them stripped!!
"The culture of Protestantism is predominantly one of loss"
😂😂😂😂
Spot on 🎯
Aside from claim to cheated titles how come liquidated Gretna and Airdrie weren't allowed to call themselves same club with foundation dates 1946 and 1878 but the Rangers newco was? They should both sue to the highest court.
The RINGERS 2012 , made from damaged stolen and broken parts
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Doping is doping. Financial or otherwise.
Rangers 1872 2012 rip
STRIP THE TITLES
Yes Graham they were liquidated but they also still claim these stolen titles and cup victories in their overall trophy hawl. 5 league titles and 8 cups won unlawfully. Still never been punished but who do you punish? Oldco? Newco? Their should at least be a distinction between both when talking about trophies won or if were to go along with the line they are trying to feed us that they are still the same club then the club should be punished with stripped titles etc that reflect the amount the “won” unlawfully.
Their club died. To suggest the embarrassment is punishment enough, when the Rangers support suffer from a gigantic case of cognitive dissonance is laughable. I actually don't mind Graeme, but he has a belly full of succulent lamb.
We all know the truth it’s only rangers fans that live in delusion . 🧟🧟♀️🧟♂️
think about it tho do you admit your club died or keep telling each other it's the same club what's easier 😂😂😂😂
@@bobmarleystoe I’m no a rangers supporter 🤣🤣
Gordon Neely Utd victims still can’t get a call back, what chance have the other teams in Scotland got of getting there justice.
Tell me the difference between sacked immediately, and swept under the carpet, rehired, and many more abused? Answers on a postcard from the separate entity n-once ring.
@@StewbieKnewLikeCFCDid rangers never reported anybody. thats a fact. go on thompsons solicitors, they are taking rangers to court. will just be after celtic
You've got a cheek your club knowingly rehired paedo to stop any bad press what if that had been made know would yous have had the same sponsorship and income over those years? Pay the victims.
Lolly nae mates, u can just tell this creep has zero patter and no friends, and probably never had a girlfriend or boyfriend. He gets very excited when this subject is mentioned or he loves to bring it up first which makes you wonder, is he one but hiding it in plain site.He should be investigated, sure his ph or laptop would reveal an underlying unhealthy obsession with this subject.....just saying Lolly.Even the names creepy!
Mate I would stay away from the child abuse stuff ffs
Hi Graham ,you just can't bring yourself to demanding rangers should not hold the cups they cheated other clubs out of
100% and as for Murray , what is he now where is he now , has he been knighted or maybe a lord
Murray is selling land all over Scotland to build houses on. This is one bitter clown if he s that bothered why does he not ask celik and the rest why they knew about it for 10 year and let it happen
There is precedent for titles being stripped for cheating. In Australia (a commonwealth country with a legal system based on the United Kingdom), The Rugby League competition has a salary cap. In other words each club is limited in the total amount they can spend on total player payment. Melbourne Storm won the championship in 2007 and 2009. However they paid their players over the salary cap and maintained 2 sets of accounts, one which they presented to the authorities (including Tax) and the real account. They were found out. Not only did they receive large fines and penalties (including sacking of key staff) but the National Rugby League STRIPPED the Melbourne Storm of the 2007 and 2009 Championships. In the record books these 2 championships are listed as not awarded. This is exactly what should happen to the ranger, (even today. Those championships should be stripped and not awarded.
I believe that intent is the difference here. Keeping two sets of books is obviously intentionally defrauding and cheating, where as everybody knew ebts were being used at Rangers and other clubs. They were not keeping two sets of books. EBTS were used by loads of the teams in the English Premier league too and the tax people also knew about them. Top accountants were assuring Rangers and other clubs that ebts were completely legal.
Furthermore, Hmrc admitted to picking on Rangers as a test case because they didn't have the clought that the big teams in the English Premier league to defend an attack by Hmrc. Several lower courts still found ebts to be legal before HMRC finally took it all the way to the Supreme Court and won. Arguably, they ruled in favour of the Hmrc because they were told to by the higher ups! However the extreme fines initially quoted to Rangers, by hmrc which caused murry to sell it for a quid, were found to be false and way over the top. It was deliberate scare mongering and bit was bullying and unprofessional of hmrc to say the least.
Put simply it's not cheating if the experts all confirm it's not illegal and it only officially became illegal after the rulling by the Supreme court. As far as tripping titles goes that is why i don't think you can therefore strip the titles. None of the teams in the English leagues that were using ebts have had the question of titles being stripped! Why is this.
But I accept that it is a moot point as the new company (but with the same supporting fans, going to the same historic stadium) has only won a few trophies. It is, therefore, a passionate and subjective question to ask if they are essentially the same club though given these facts, whilst it is irrefutable that it is a new incorporated company. One could argue that all clubs evolve. New manages, players, stadiums, new owners, new investors and share holders, new boards and new ceos. Technically they are the same company but what really makes it the same club surely must be the same fans!
@grahamnimmo4656 I would say that a crucial difference to Rangers EBTs to other clubs that used them is that Rangers withheld indemnifying letters from the SFA. It's the act of not disclosing these 'side letters' and in some cases denying their existence is what's punishable. In doing this Rangers failed to register players correctly, making them ineligible. I note that some players with EBTs did not have 'side letters' they are are only a Tax issue not a SFA one. Folk tend to lump all EBTs together but there was a difference. There was also the DOS scheme (Flo and De Beor?) where Rangers admitted liability and registration failure. Ignored as not in the EBT remit.
Like winning an egg and spoon race with chewing gum on the spoon. Getting caught and being allowed to keep the medal.
Yea, it wouldn’t even happen in a primary school.
Tomo bringing objective reality to Glasgow football.
Graham i have always admired your writing and respected your opinions but, your unwillingness to say that rangers were liquidated and should not be able to claim trophies won by another club, is very poor.
The truth is not Rangers friend. ☹
What's Celtic story got to do with rungers getting liquidate ffs unbelievable you need to remember what happened deep inside ipox eh eh
Any other time, a team plays an ineligible player then they forfeit that match 3 nil. Every time a rangers player with an ebt stepped onto the field, he was ineligible to play and every match should be historically forfeited. It happens all over the world except Scotland because it is Rangers.
So everyone involved in scottish and European football conspired to save Rangers? Utter bollocks.
Nah, first Celtic had to give the Green light 😂 and only once we knew we could control the NEW club @ The RINGERS 2012, (made from damaged stolen and broken parts) and delay andcplay wi their journey back to near the top ! We gave a 25 year sentence so yer nearly half way their ! We also demanded all your players go ti Mass 😂 💚💛
You need to take this report to the SFA and demand answers.
Comment section is missing all the demented, dissenting, nonsensical, arguments against. Probably, it has something to do with all the facts in this piece.
Only in Scotland and only The Rangers wouldn't have been stripped of trophies, SFAs favourite little club, should have been stripped of everything.
Any opinion on a punishment for the biggest child abuse scandal in the history of world sport ? Over 300 vicTIMS ( and counting) 9 jailed coaches at the bigjockknewco ( and counting). Media puppets are silent about this. WHY???
Big Jock knew how to pump yous. What about Gordon Neeley?????????????????
Every rangers fan has a pdo obsession. Because they have no football argument
Do you think Celtic fans would stay quiet if it was Rangers who had been caught out --- no chance -- you are slabbering if you think anything different
@@jamesemanuel9798well you were caught weren’t you. Both Gordon Neely and Harry Dunn abused children for years with impunity at Ibrox.
To rub salt into the wounds of the victims The Rangers then stated that it was “The Oldco who were responsible and are not financially liable as they ceased to exist as of 2012. (Make your minds up lads eh)
Both were even packed off quietly after years at Ibrox with glowing recommendations for them to continue practicing this despicable behaviour elsewhere.
That’s before we get to the financial corruption and cheating.
Classy club eh! 🤔
You have an obsession with sweeping it under the carpet
@ swept quite a bit away yourselves didn’t you lolly 👀
@@stewbie5086 naw actually we haven’t. The guy at Rangers was sacked immediately, your club however are going through a class action court case for years of lying and denying and pretending it was a separate entity. Now tell me I’m wrong on that statement? And try not to point the finger
Oh dear, poor sevco 😂😂
Rangers died in 2012. End of story.
@@joehamiltonsongs At least you are honest about it…You WISHED Rangers had died back in 2012. That’s why this old chestnut has so much mileage in it for the pro Celtic poodles and Celtic fans trying to change reality. At least it allowed yous a free run to catch up with Rangers and a chance to overtake them but clearly that’s not enough when the DEATH of your rivals was the dream scenario.
@ Rangers died in 2012. End of story.
Unless every club starts the season with the same funds then 1 or 2 clubs will always have a perpetual unfair (and unsporting) advantage
Regardless of how it is achieved
No one has enjoyed succulent lamb reporting more than Graham Spiers. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
Spiers was the one who told us about succulent lamb.
@@Old_Scot Was it ? It was Jim Traynor who coined that description when he was invited to Dinner with David Murray and the meal was Lamb which he described as The most Succulent Lamb. This Genteelism was then picked up by Journalists (Phil Mac Giolla Bahin springs to mind) and as they say the rest is History
Two "journalists", completely indifferent to the Bhoys Club scandal.
Still cheating fs 🙄
These are 2 different stories
Sir watty knew
This whole hoo haa. Malfunctioning when presented with the truth
Great interview Graham. Facts speaking for themselves.
The Rangers* fans have learned to stand in front of the mirror and say "We were nearly liquidated 10 years ago..."
Aye, you mean they've learned to LIE to themselves? The weren't NEARLY liquidated they WERE liquidated, completely and utterly, that's why there was a "Club 12", that's why they were put (absolutely corruptly) into the 4th tier (should have been Lowland League or similar, the kind of level a Kelty Hearts or Spartans came from. That's why their name isn't the same no matter how much they try and pretend otherwise. It doesn't matter that the OG Rangers are dead, or the fans suffered that humiliation. Those titles were still obtained by illegal means and thus should be stripped from the records of the dead club. Alex Thomson displays such incredulity that they haven't been because he is a normal, rational human being with a mind based in reality and the pursuit of legal justice who exists outside of the pernicious influence of the dark forces that truly run things in Scotland...and that's not the SNP, Labour, or anyone else you might think of.
I can absolutely guarantee with 100% certainty that if that had happened to Celtic the Scottish media would NEVER have let this be a debate (not that they'd have to, the SFA wouldn't hesitate to go after Celtic) and those titles would have been stripped at the very first opportunity. Anyone denying there are Rangers sympathisers throughout the SFA need only look at how other clubs who have for example accidentally failed to register trialists before games have then been swiftly penalised within days or weeks of the match occurring...yet here we are more than a decade later and nothing has been done about the OldCo.
The truth is that if the SFA declared all the games the old Rangers played with EBT players as nullified, 3 points awarded to the opponents and thus stripped the titles/cups then UEFA would be forced to do the same with all of the European games the dead club played in the decade or so it was going on. That would be a MASSIVE can of worms and lawsuits would be flying left, right and centre. There's no appetite for such action and thus the scum have gotten away with it....sort of, because their club is dead and no other fan in Scotland will let them forget that. And their new club is an absolute joke of an organisation which will struggle to get beyond the level of an Aberdeen or Hearts whilst watching the glorious, glorious Glasgow Celtic achieve success after success after success with surplus liquidity beyond the annual turnover of the NewCo, year after year after year..
A glorious time to be a Celtic fan, made all the sweeter by the karmic pain that the scum have inflicted upon themselves.
Well said 👏
And by the looks of things, their new club doesn't look too healthy either.
The Banter Years continue unabated! These are great times, Bhoys!
Well the owner of Rangers had a relationship with a Director of a Bank . IT MAKES YOU WONDER if any of the funds he gave access to were a ANATHEMA unknown to the public who had their
money in that Bank and may well have been used to keep that Club afloat . It sparks memories of the owner of that Club making a statement of for every £5 Celtic spend we will spend £10 it certainly makes you think where they got their money from.
We know exactly what Dave and Fred were upto ! It has all been shown ! Murray bankers got took over and his sweet swindling days were numbered ! We have it all ! Factual records !
'That's enough' says an admitted Rangers fan, whose dear Mother - a lovely woman - is also a follow follower.
Of course he's right.
The club being liquidated as an argument for not stripping them of their titles is nonsense. The 'new' club still counts the trophy count in their history.
Fifty years from now, the liquidation and formation of the new club will be forgotten about, but the trophy count in the record books will still stand. The record books don't even have an asterisk beside these trophies to explain that they were won whilst financially breaking the law to gain a sporting advantage.
Second incoming Bankruptcy sorts all that out ! Watch this space ! 💚💛
@@blobbywin7757 Even various Celtic players have agreed the trophies were won and lost on the park.
Let's get one thing straight. AFC Wimbledon deserve there clubs titles and cups and European record of it historical facts. But rangers FC. Dissolved to sevco 2012. .they shouldn't be allowed keep titles and status of dissolved club called Glasgow rangers FC
Learn to spell.
@@shamrockgerry One of the shadowy anonymous figures at HMRC only recently was clearly taking the piss when stating that a deal could have been done back in 2012…erm but of course it didn’t happen because they were determined to see it play out as planned. The whole thing the way it was handled, the costs in court actions, the botch ups and shady dealings involving HMRC employees, the administrators, police incompetence and the filthy rat infested media will be looked upon from now on as a BIGGER story than the actual dispute that kicked the whole thing off.
Did he discuss the media inflating the debt the club was under and how it impacted on possible buyers,,, what did he say about the paedophile ring at Parkhead? Thompsons words not mine before you start.
😂 aye buyers take the info from fat traynor & jekyl jackson ! Have you heard of audits ? Murray the swindling crook , bankers got took over and he was kicked out ! Bye bye rngrs💚💛
Graham even you know they should have been stripped of titles. Scottish football is corrupt....financial FAIR play
SFA need to answer to this.
Balde wouldn’t sign a move away due to a confidentiality contract he refused to sign so stayed until his contract run out
“Nearly liquidated” lol
mr spiers gives an establishment perspective, which angers the establishment. 👏
Whatever, WATP - us supporters didnt exactly sign up for what we went through
Aye ye did tho ! All the superior pish ! All the loyal pish ! Shown up for the farce we knew it was ! You let your club die ! You all surrendered !
Good interview. If you break the law and you get punished The rest is noise. I'll gotten gains go as well I'm afraid.
Dry your eyes hater’s.
Another trophy coming the Scottish Cup then 56 next year!
Dream on hun
all swept under the carpet.
Alex Thomson is Arteta without gel. Wonderful hair
Love the interested cop not so interested cop comment. Puts a whole new spin on good cop bad cop. Lol
If that’s the case should Celtic be stripped of their titles for the 4 decades of cheating by the Kelly’s and White’s when they were fiddling Celtic’s attendance figures ??
LOL They were taking money out of the club, not buying titles.
Wit 😂
Who gives a duck what AT thinks of Scotland?
A respected investigative journalist.
How many did the same club investment throughout the uk, this includes Celtic , Man United , Leeds, in total at the time this was a player retirement benefits scheme due to injury and early sports income, we have to understand the was signed off by SFA and UAFA, it was another tax insensitive that everyone in the game would take on board,
Absolute nonsense. Do your research.
So, tell me, are Celtic to be stripped of the titles they won whilst Chris Sutton and Craig Bellamy were living a lifestyle that they would ultimately not be able to pay for when they entered bankruptcy?
You mean bankrupt like Barry Ferguson?
@@wrutherfordx3x
WTF have two individuals got to do with the old ragers cheating and getting liquidated?
Still doing this sh1t all these years later, is Alex still pished?
Still Bealin Shun
Wow
All the while! Celtic were also using the EBT scheme alongside clubs like Arsenal and nowadays Man City are breaking many rules yet these guys are still going on about Rangers.
Sick Minds
Strip rangers cheating titles now.
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minority in ibrox no the whole of ibrox.
Graeme spears and Alex Thomson talk utter pish and bollocks... nothing to see here
Bullshit you fool.
Spiers
It's the truth,check the facts
Rfc rip.. save yer newco don't walk away
Justice for the bhoys club victims🙏
Rangers have a framed picture of King Charles in their changing room. Rangers fans sing God save the King . King Charles is hiding his brother, Prince Andrew, from the FBI on child trafficking and child abuse charges in the USA.
Seems your forgetting about walter and graham walter on a plinth outside ibrox not forgetting the 66 murdered pay them over half a century and not a penny paid in compensation dirty scum barstewards
And Neelys 🙏
Justice for bhoys clubs victims.
Let us not forget those abused at ibrox by Neely & Dunn......sweep sweep
Ceptic went out of business, so all theee titles sjhould be erased as well. They also partook of the same system as Rangers so the same thing should have happened to ceptic.
@@georgewilson197 when was that 😳 😆
Days of the jungle at Torbett Towers, animals were crammed into the stadium but the taxman never got his fair share of the gate money.
No liquidators involved
EBTs (the system you are talkin about) were allowed so long as the player gets the money when he leaves. We paid the player in question after not during as per rules. Your players were gettin paid whilst playing for rangers. That's the difference 🤡
Oh and what you on about out of business? You talkin about Pacific shelf? The holding company?
Spiers let it go its 2025 man
Celtic should be stripped off titles before 1994 then going by this clowns logic
Lol. Silly bear.
@@riboid what's funny
Celtic didnt get liquidated
Go to a library. Look up liquidation then come back and comment. Education of some people is astounding. 😄😄👍@JGI43
@@chrismcgrory1691 still a newco regardless
WE ARE THE PAPAL
Succulent lamb was sitting at Murrays table & spinning pro original rangers propoganda
Graham spiers they did not suffer enough. Cheating
Every zombie I know who says we bought the history....I ask when yer granda or granny dies do you run down to the old age home and buy another one and call it granny?
@@ethel1690cardew I know a Celtic fan named James who technically died but with the swift intervention of medics he was brought back to life, I now call him Dick as he surely can’t be the same person despite his protestations he’s in the same body he always had and is 100% 68 years old. I never did like the name James.
Home rule for Ireland & rangers gone....sweet
@@monti4035 Dream dream dream …dream dream if only?
55 still intact. Get it roon yeez Timothys. Watp
@@Gorgutsforcongress this is where your deluded on that deludamol 1 title in the last 12 years have you forgot in reality rangers went out of business and were liquidated duh different name different club play at same stadium doesn't equate to 55 the whole world knows apart from the saddo fans wake up and get real
Moon howler
54 awarded by bent beaks, not won. See the difference Buhly?
Nincompoop
So the club that’s never been defeated and is always cheated that desperately includes dubious war trophies in it’s historical tally and has had the most advantageous situation in the entire history of Scottish football beginning in 2012 to present allowing it to catch up with its fiercest rival’s trophy haul is still harping on about stripping Rangers of silverware to TRY and put some distance between the two clubs? My my it only further confirms the fact that the Celtic hordes can’t…I repeat CAN’T handle the rivalry with a STRONG Rangers..we saw clear evidence of that when Rangers toppled them albeit briefly under Steven Gerrard.
The rivalry it appears is only acceptable to Celtic fans if it’s a one way, weak shit show that Rangers have been for too long and still are and let’s be honest, the whole league overall is extremely poor in most aspects you care to mention in comparison to how things were in the 90s and 2000s.
Back when Rangers were in a much healthier state the league was more watchable, commercially lucrative, more competitive than the current state of play ..everyone made money…how various club’s managed that money is another matter! I get it though, it’s always going to be a nagging feeling for those who HATE so much knowing that the Santa Claus letter days can’t and won’t last forever and coexisting with a sizeable number of people with long memories is going to be extremely miserable indeed.
We haven’t gone away you know as much as you most certainly wished we did but imagine just for a moment what it’s going to be like when the tables turn? Yous do KNOW the tables will turn! I could say enjoy it while it lasts but the reality is Rangers whatever some maniacs fantasise is or isn’t will always be here and we’ll fight til the day is done!
Just completely gloss over the years of cheating!
Irr😊v
Where Rangers strong when Celtic won the European Cup and 9 in a row? 😢
@@michaelanderson7708Yes, what’s your point?
@@250wattsThere was no cheating the EBTs were legal at the time and always transparent in the club’s annual accounts. They were one of various dodgy tax schemes being used by many businesses and individuals… SOME prominent Celtic employees went more down the INDIVIDUAL route as I am sure you are aware and the EBT thing was used for the Juninho deal. Tell me something…WHO exactly made dodgy tax schemes legit? I never hear ANYONE go after the b@stard(s) who devised these schemes with loopholes in the first place. Guess what though I left a big box of delicious cream cakes in the work’s 4:23 canteen one morning and was looking forward to having one at break with a coffee, they were all gone..surprise surprise! If a proposal is made to you there’s a way to avoid or pay less tax and it’s legal you would perhaps take advantage of that situation as MANY did and probably still do and when you see the paltry sums of money billion dollar companies have got away with paying in tax it is utterly ridiculous in comparison to the sums of money involved in many other tax cases that have come to the public’s attention. A very dirty murky world is the tax system AND other schemes and scams being used and currently under scrutiny to get round the FFP rules but the EBT issue is not the big stick people try to make it out to be all things considered.