Counterpoint Gerry Adams talks to three Protestants 1995 ATL NEWS File

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  • @edhutton8910
    @edhutton8910 4 месяца назад +25

    Adams is a slick operator! Far smarter than the audience in front of him. McNarry could not stomach the fact that Catholics were treated like second class citizens in an apartheid statelet.
    Annie Campbell is a good woman - like what she said. Spoke sense!

    • @UXB-p5u
      @UXB-p5u 3 месяца назад +1

      Was that 'Slick' you said? 🤔

    • @Willsey
      @Willsey Месяц назад +1

      You are quite correct. They were treated like that. But does that justify bombing innocent victims? So many outrages. People blown to bits. Some even innocent Catholics caught up in it

  • @tothelighthouse9843
    @tothelighthouse9843 12 дней назад +1

    A demonstration of what real leadership & statesmanship looks like. Where would NI be without Gerry Adams, when you see the kind of bigotry waiting in the wings & trying to destroy his efforts.
    Fortunately the brilliant ordinary people of NI voted for peace, & marginalized voices like David McNarry's.
    Hello from Canada. Your channel is fantastic, a real living history here on youtube.

  • @patrickt2003
    @patrickt2003 4 месяца назад +7

    Brilliant interview, thanks for the upload!

  • @irishmade8136
    @irishmade8136 4 месяца назад +28

    Fast forward to the present, Gerry had great foresight.

  • @jpgduff
    @jpgduff 4 месяца назад +42

    David (the Orange man - surprise, surprise) was awful as soon as he opened his mouth. The lack of self awareness is just shocking.
    A bigot througj and through.
    Adams was spot on when he asked if sny Catholics could be members of the OO.

    • @cycleSCUBA
      @cycleSCUBA 3 месяца назад +2

      Or maybe he is uneasy in the presence of someone who advocated terrorist tactics, including leaving bombs in public places and being too cowardly to fight their 'enemy' face to face.

    • @Jefferson1969-u4s
      @Jefferson1969-u4s 3 месяца назад

      I have to agree. But I am not looking through the experience David has of NI. The people of NI have endured unimaginable suffering. They deserve to live in peace.

    • @trevorodoinn3288
      @trevorodoinn3288 2 месяца назад

      McNarry comes across as a sanctimonious windbag. No guilt or shame for the orange statelet that had it’s foot on the nationalist community’s head since the inception of the rancid,sectarian Norn Iron.

    • @Rory578
      @Rory578 Месяц назад +1

      @@cycleSCUBAyou okay mate ?

    • @ononewheellad
      @ononewheellad Месяц назад

      Gerry should’ve been asked, if any Protestants can be a Catholic priest. That conversation came up in a bar I happened to be in one evening. Very interesting, it was decided that the 2 sides could match each other, blow for blow. I found it humorous. I would liked to have heard his answer.

  • @gerardconnolly3443
    @gerardconnolly3443 4 месяца назад +48

    Gerry Adams talks to four Protestants

    • @MrIrishscouse
      @MrIrishscouse 4 месяца назад +7

      Watch Gerry Adams' performance on the Late Late Show from October 1994. It's just him against 4 panelists, 3 of whom were outright belligerent and a host in Gay Byrne whose hostility was barely concealed and he outclassed them. He's some operator, whether or not you agree with him.

    • @Jefferson1969-u4s
      @Jefferson1969-u4s 3 месяца назад +2

      @@MrIrishscousehe is very knowledgeable about his country and he is highly intelligent. He articulated his willingness to work with his adversaries towards peace very convincingly

  • @MR-mc6rj
    @MR-mc6rj 4 месяца назад +28

    As a Citizen of the Republic thank you for your videos. I have learned more about the North from your channel than I ever learned from school, the media, the Irish Political Parties mainly FF/FG. We in the South had no real idea what was going on, in both communities. I'm not blowing smoke up your proverbial but the subsciber numbers should be 100 times more.

    • @ATroubledLand
      @ATroubledLand  4 месяца назад +9

      Thanks 😊
      I'm not here for the subscribers or money or fame , just trying to play my part and teach a few friends about us here. Warts n all .

    • @padruigmacrodain
      @padruigmacrodain 4 месяца назад +2

      Then you must have had some very bad teachers and never watched any real news because, no disrespect, RTÉ covered everything, big and small, that occurred in the Six Counties. The people who didn't care simply didn't pay attention. I grew up in the south and between Prime Time and it's predecessor, Today Tonight, the RTÉ News itself, various documentaries over the years, programmes like Questions and Answers etc., FiveLive on the Radio, I kept up with everything that occurred up North. I am sorry but if a southerner wanted to know what was going on in the days pre-internet they could do; it was aways covered by the southern media as a whole even if half the southern population itself had shamefully, no real interest.

    • @jamesoneill2933
      @jamesoneill2933 4 месяца назад +2

      @@padruigmacrodain I would take issue with that , although I am well aware that of course, perspective, is a relative thing.
      As recently as yesterday 24-07-24 , RTE demonstrated their ability to , I'll use the term , colour, that perspective , in one of their news reports.
      A news story , admittedly still a developing one , regarding the recent discovery of a Catholic man's body , missing since July 10th, found on July 22nd , leading to a murder investigation, this case has a distinctly sectarian look about it and while , I am mildly surprised to see it on an RTE news programme at all , what struck me was a deft little piece of self censoring, where the camera shot showed a shot containing a row of around eight terraced houses, including that in which the murdered man's body was discovered, on the staunchly loyalist Donegal Road , the house to the right side, off screen , is adorned by a UDA loyalist paramilitary flag , I feel purposefully out of shot , so as to avoid any nasty inference, and as the adage goes.
      So what the viewer is seeing is rather than the house in question, centre screen, it is to the extreme right of shot.
      A picture, or the lack of one , paints a thousand words and
      throughout the conflict RTE displayed even greater adeptness in , usually by omission, creating the inference or lack thereof and suggested, accordingly.
      Old new reports which I have seen are replete with them.

    • @padruigmacrodain
      @padruigmacrodain 4 месяца назад

      @@jamesoneill2933 I grew up in the 80s and followed every event going up there and all we had was RTÉ at home until I was about 14 or so. RTÉ always covered the killings during the darkest days of the Irish Troubles and once the peace process got going Miriam O'Callaghan was talking about the north on every second episode of PrimeTime. It will have been a southern perspective, fair enough, but the interest and the coverage was there.

    • @padruigmacrodain
      @padruigmacrodain 4 месяца назад +1

      @@jamesoneill2933 Every major event of any political significance in the north was covered by the various media-outlets in the south. I was raised in a north-facing political household in a time when RTÉ and southern media in general was far more nationalist than it is now. Throw in a father who was obsessed with politics, who himself was a son of a native of County Fermanagh and had the radio on all day long ( and real radio, not dreary 24-hour jukebox stations ) and you will find time to catch up on most things. When finally we got bbc in in the mid 90's I was shocked at how little the British main news covered affairs in the 6 Counties ( we didn't have BBC NI or UTV either to compensate, we had BBC Wales and HTV ), so my mainstay for northern affairs was still RTÉ, both TV and Radio and of course, the southern newspapers and by and large, these sources did me very well, that's all I am saying.

  • @JohnFoley-j8k
    @JohnFoley-j8k 4 месяца назад +10

    Partition was a mistake & it's failed.
    Mc Narry needs to be re-planted back to 1690. In Britain

  • @stephencruickshanks3794
    @stephencruickshanks3794 4 месяца назад +12

    Tremendous when the woman tells the orangeman precisely what she thinks of him

  • @gerryburns9090
    @gerryburns9090 4 месяца назад +35

    That guy David came across as a very bitter individual.

    • @Black-White85
      @Black-White85 4 месяца назад +2

      Ended up being a UUP MLA in Stormont in later years.

    • @Rory578
      @Rory578 Месяц назад +1

      @@gerryburns9090 that’s what we are up against delusion and stupidity don’t mix well

  • @CathalOGradaigh
    @CathalOGradaigh 4 месяца назад +4

    thanks for this video

  • @paddy.g4182
    @paddy.g4182 4 месяца назад +8

    Gerry was no fool 🇮🇪👍 Britain was talking to gerry behind all your backs 😂😂

    • @erniemccracken2429
      @erniemccracken2429 4 месяца назад

      So what? The IRA was full of informants. And still no united Ireland.

  • @RedMachineKieran
    @RedMachineKieran 4 месяца назад +10

    Im an irish catholic but i actually like the wee Presbyterian man. hes a wee gentleman

  • @billybhoy32
    @billybhoy32 4 месяца назад +21

    Fascinating. The woman and Gerry Adams made sense.

  • @martinmcdonald4207
    @martinmcdonald4207 4 месяца назад +7

    Oscar Wilde was once asked what religion he was, to which he replied....`I have no religion, i`m an Irish protestant`.

    • @jeffhegarty
      @jeffhegarty 3 месяца назад

      Further proof, if more was needed, that Wilde was a writer of fiction rather than fact

  • @robertmaher377
    @robertmaher377 4 месяца назад +6

    The scores are : Adams 10 out of 10, Dunlop 8 out of 10, Campbell 8 out of 10, McNarry 1 out of 10 and that's being generous

  • @tompchromedome
    @tompchromedome 4 месяца назад +14

    In Australia, I remember seeing Gerry Adams on the TV from the 1970s. His voice was censored by blocking the audio on all the tv newsreels. I was a poddy but realised when a mans voice is censored you don't have to be Einstein to work out who is in the right

  • @kapitidon
    @kapitidon 4 месяца назад +10

    The 1916 Irish Proclamation of Independence, issued by the leaders of the Easter Rising, made a notable commitment to gender equality. The declaration stated:
    "The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."
    This commitment to equal rights and opportunities included women, which was a progressive stance for the time, highlighting the movement's inclusive vision for Irish society.

    • @lordsummerisle3139
      @lordsummerisle3139 4 месяца назад +3

      Absolutely, it's a beautiful document that should be read by everyone.
      Then I go online and see legions of comments about "planters" and "foreigners" and "colonists" and how they should all go home and suddenly republicanism doesn't seem so inclusive.
      By the way I'm only referring to the comments about prods and not the more recent arrivals.

    • @kapitidon
      @kapitidon 4 месяца назад +2

      @lordsummerisle3139
      I was born in Ireland and like the fact that the constitution as written in 1916 vowed to give women equality.
      I now live in NZ which beat the Irish in 1893 by being the first country in the world to give women the vote.
      The woman on this documentary did well given the bullying she got from the idiot on her left who suggested she had no right to sit with him and the Presbyterian Minister and that she should be sitting alongside Mr Adams.
      Hopefully Northern Ireland has advanced from that.

    • @whitetroutchannel
      @whitetroutchannel 4 месяца назад +3

      it might have said that but the number of protestants fell alarmingly in the south since partition so it would indicate little or nothing was done to enrich protestant lives in the new ireland

  • @ayoadebowale3291
    @ayoadebowale3291 4 месяца назад +38

    Did unionists ever acknowledge or apologise for the discrimination catholics were subjected to?

    • @coolmacatrain9434
      @coolmacatrain9434 4 месяца назад +4

      Actually, Ian paisley did before he died.

    • @whitetroutchannel
      @whitetroutchannel 4 месяца назад +9

      edward carson also warned to treat catholics with respect and not to make it a cold house for catholics but craig choose to ignore him

    • @gerryfinn4868
      @gerryfinn4868 Месяц назад

      ​@coolmacatra😢iani didn't know thatin9434

    • @coolmacatrain9434
      @coolmacatrain9434 Месяц назад

      @@gerryfinn4868 They interview is here on youtube. Look up = ' Ian Paisley - Discrimination against Catholics was wrong'

    • @Rory578
      @Rory578 Месяц назад +3

      @@ayoadebowale3291 yes they sometimes acknowledge it but disregard the severity also brush it under the carpet and want to be known as a victim themselves

  • @ononewheellad
    @ononewheellad Месяц назад +1

    As a Presbyterian myself, I understand from my church and schooling the role my faith played in Republicanism during the United Irishmen times when both Catholics and Presbyterians were not welcome by Anglicans. I won’t do a history lesson just now, but it wasn’t good times to be either.

  • @damien1351
    @damien1351 4 месяца назад +20

    The host ended up being the UUP leader. He was impartial ?

    • @lordsummerisle3139
      @lordsummerisle3139 4 месяца назад +8

      @damien1351 mike Nesbitt was always an excellent TV presenter. He never let his political views interfere with that and only got into politics after leaving UTV

    • @kbreslin7289
      @kbreslin7289 2 месяца назад

      He sacked McNarry to be fair.

    • @muradin5726
      @muradin5726 2 месяца назад

      He liked tarmac 😊

  • @ThomasOToole-ws5fq
    @ThomasOToole-ws5fq 4 месяца назад +10

    Jerry won the discussion

    • @stephenturner6075
      @stephenturner6075 4 месяца назад +2

      Why wasn't Tom there?

    • @Freedom-hv3vm
      @Freedom-hv3vm 3 месяца назад +2

      Jerry? 😂

    • @Willsey
      @Willsey Месяц назад

      He had the intellect to do that. Doesn’t mean he was right

  • @stephenconnolly448
    @stephenconnolly448 4 месяца назад +6

    Well said gerry.

  • @gaddafis566
    @gaddafis566 4 месяца назад +5

    God Bless gerry Adam's

  • @jham7722
    @jham7722 3 месяца назад +3

    The women speaking was so correct. I'm a protestant unionist but NOT a part of orange order or church. Nationals lump Protestants all in together. I heard a catholic say the other day. "Sure it's all the same thing." When talking about unionism. Hasn't a clue. This guy who said that is openly gay LGBT loving person who claims to hate racism and sectarianism.

  • @lorcanfeely6371
    @lorcanfeely6371 4 месяца назад +9

    This aged well

  • @creightonjason
    @creightonjason 4 месяца назад +6

    I have no love for either side but this 'war' could have been handled better and stopped before it started. Adams is impressive.

  • @raymondc6249
    @raymondc6249 4 месяца назад +4

    Heartwarming to see people from different religious and political persuasions actually talking and listening to each other respectfully ( except the orange order member) sadly..

  • @jimmy-stourbridge-fc8980
    @jimmy-stourbridge-fc8980 2 месяца назад +3

    The lady on the panel is the only i think spoke the most sence & I'm not Irish i'm English.

    • @ATLmodK
      @ATLmodK Месяц назад

      Sadly, It looks like, at the time, the men in the group didn’t have a lot of concern over a woman’s viewpoint. Thankfully things have changed in that respect too

  • @robmiller2811
    @robmiller2811 3 месяца назад +5

    Huge change in women who are now prominent in Northern Ireland's political landscape

  • @tomryan4501
    @tomryan4501 4 месяца назад +15

    Ireland unfree will never be at peace.

    • @jdfiend
      @jdfiend 4 месяца назад +5

      A so called united ireland would never be at peace

    • @PatTigue
      @PatTigue 4 месяца назад +6

      It will be if you calm down stop marching 5 n half months a year for a one day war

    • @ardri31
      @ardri31 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@jdfiendwrong

    • @erniemccracken2429
      @erniemccracken2429 4 месяца назад

      It will if people stop killing each other over religious crap on both sides.

    • @ononewheellad
      @ononewheellad Месяц назад

      @@PatTigueYou know that’s a great test for progress, a parade being unhindered, both ways, Aoh and the OO. An old man once told me when the OO marches through the Falls, and the AOH can walk through the Shankill, you will know peace has arrived. Don’t have to like it, just look the other way. Maybe a stretch of the imagination, but they’re you are.

  • @whitetroutchannel
    @whitetroutchannel 4 месяца назад +4

    michelle oneill, arlene foster, nicola sturgeon, theresa may, yes women in politics

    • @wonjubhoy
      @wonjubhoy 4 месяца назад

      Nicola sturgeon planted the seeds for SNP's catastrophic defeat at the 2024 general election. Scottish independence is no closer 10 years after the referendum. Theresa May was a failure for her party.

  • @stephenholmes1036
    @stephenholmes1036 4 месяца назад +7

    Women's rights! Something people in the Dail need to support

    • @lindalonergan7887
      @lindalonergan7887 4 месяца назад +1

      Irish rights.

    • @nbvvc-pi6pi
      @nbvvc-pi6pi 4 месяца назад +3

      What about male suicide, could that get a mention?

    • @golaglanman860
      @golaglanman860 4 месяца назад

      Stephenholmes
      What rights do women not have?

    • @nbvvc-pi6pi
      @nbvvc-pi6pi 4 месяца назад +1

      @@golaglanman860 a lot more than men anyways

    • @stephenholmes1036
      @stephenholmes1036 4 месяца назад +1

      The right not have people who aren't women going into their safe spaces. The right to compete against onlybwomen athletes, etc etc

  • @DannyCafferkey
    @DannyCafferkey 3 месяца назад +3

    Gerry Adams is taking to four protestants here, not 3

  • @Bundy2065
    @Bundy2065 4 месяца назад +3

    Annie Campbell had an excellent question for Gerry Adams about Womens rights and a new Ireland. I wonder how he feels about the New Sinn Fein and the BS they spout today and how they line up regarding traditional values. BTW I enjoy your videos ATL keep up the good work.

  • @Psylenoz
    @Psylenoz 4 месяца назад +6

    10 mins 50 seconds in. 2 questions and host says we are running out of time. They should talk for as long as needed or at least a few hours. Television is rigged for our viewing. Nothing long lasting just slots and segments.

  • @RONANTHEROCKET
    @RONANTHEROCKET 3 месяца назад +1

    2024* we have had WOMEN 1st ministers, WOMEN MEPS, WOMEN MP's, WOMENS rights, god bless the GFA! a lot that Annie was taking about came true!

  • @Spuddelicious
    @Spuddelicious 4 месяца назад +4

    The lady was great!

  • @petesy03
    @petesy03 4 месяца назад +2

    Wouldn’t it be great to hear what David thinks today

  • @terrymcparland2922
    @terrymcparland2922 4 месяца назад +4

    Mc Narry is a gangster fact , Adams took him apart

  • @Bigjeffro82
    @Bigjeffro82 4 месяца назад +1

    "To the Victor's belong the spoils"
    The Victor's sold the protestant people out.
    Believe in a country of our own, so we do not need to rely upon others to make us great. We are great if we can be a nation as 1.

  • @vforvictor7575
    @vforvictor7575 4 месяца назад +15

    Adams is a great visionary.

  • @ULHIS
    @ULHIS 4 месяца назад +2

    Feels so long ago now it makes me feel ill we're still having these conversations.

  • @MickyOHanlon2262
    @MickyOHanlon2262 4 месяца назад +4

    Can't help but agree with Adams, he is articulate and very well versed in reasoned debate, unlike the orange bigot.
    That said, every time I see Adams, I cant help but think of that poor McConville woman who eas disappeared on his order.

  • @arsebusquets2436
    @arsebusquets2436 Месяц назад +1

    Adams rang rings around David because he's a far cannier debater and of far greater intellect too. You dont get to be an IRA commander and member of the Army Council and the poltical leader of SF without having the abilty to cater to a wide range of views and bring hardcore terrorists towards the path of peace. David on the other hand, like a lot of the OO and Unionism espouses the siege mentality, not one inch is their motto, unless they are dragged knicking and screamign to the negotiation table. The cheek he has to question Annie as a protestant because she doesnt ascribe to the OO or Church dogma is hilarious and shows how far these people are stuck in a time warp.

  • @Kathy-f1d
    @Kathy-f1d 3 месяца назад

    Gerry talks about Catholics not having equality. Protestant , Catholic,dissenter iare all equal today with the inequalities within the working class communities. .

  • @franzherflek4116
    @franzherflek4116 2 месяца назад +3

    As a Belfast person born in 1980,,, the honest truth is some protestants/unionists just didnt see Catholic/irish people as equal ...that is just the bare bones off it... Equality just wasn't in their superiority mind set...

  • @KC-wi4gh
    @KC-wi4gh 4 месяца назад +4

    SF settled for an internal settlement in the end . The NI Assembly is basically what was on the table in the early 1970's known as the Sunningdale Agreement.

    • @nreddington1857
      @nreddington1857 4 месяца назад

      The sunny dale agreement was nothing compared to the good Friday agreement (The irish nationalist had to shoot & bomb there way in to government )

  • @austinsheeran2125
    @austinsheeran2125 4 месяца назад +6

    Great content. My favourite bit is David telling off "the woman" for not being a proper Protestant.

  • @wtorules4743
    @wtorules4743 4 месяца назад +16

    David speaks for himself while defending the OO and sporting a Rangers tie. The hypocrisy of David’s position would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic.
    The debate was going so well until he piped up.

    • @jamesoneill2933
      @jamesoneill2933 4 месяца назад +5

      @wtorules4743 Rangers, I'd forgotten them.

    • @johnphelan6623
      @johnphelan6623 4 месяца назад +5

      I actually laughed at him to be honest. What a bad account he made of himself particularly while GA was performing a bit of a masterpiece frankly. Wonder if he's still alive now and what he thinks of his performance 😅

    • @jamesoneill2933
      @jamesoneill2933 4 месяца назад +5

      @@johnphelan6623 He is and I'd wager he believes that he acquitted himself well.
      These people lack the same sense of self awareness that you or I might possess.

  • @JB-qr2jq
    @JB-qr2jq 4 месяца назад +5

    The irony of David saying that Adam’s was the obstacle to peace in Ireland - when history tells us Adam’s was the man that brought peace to Ireland.

    • @geoffpoole483
      @geoffpoole483 4 месяца назад +2

      It wasn't just Adams. In another video on this excellent channel there's an interview with someone from the IRA (before the split, I think) who states that the problems will be solved by dialogue.

    • @JB-qr2jq
      @JB-qr2jq 4 месяца назад

      @@geoffpoole483 I agree - but Adam’s and MM managed in large part to convince the PIRA hardliners, especially in Belfast and South Armagh, that the war was over and a united ireland was only achievable via the ballot box. If Adam’s had insisted the war goes on it would probably still be going on now.

    • @1882mick
      @1882mick 4 месяца назад +1

      John Hume, David Trimble?

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    @cbradioghosttalk1986 4 месяца назад +7

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  • @damienholden2132
    @damienholden2132 Месяц назад

    Jeaus give us strength

  • @DA-pt1em
    @DA-pt1em 4 месяца назад +8

    What happens when u bring a feminist into the mix

    • @jpgduff
      @jpgduff 3 месяца назад

      @@DA-pt1em pretty appalling that that's what you toom from that

  • @runningamok2825
    @runningamok2825 3 месяца назад +1

    Adams ran rings around David.

  • @sisi2484
    @sisi2484 4 месяца назад +2

    Who was that at beginning in front of Adams as he walks into the TV Studios?

  • @frankkelleher1888
    @frankkelleher1888 3 месяца назад

    There were 4 Prods 😂

  • @liammcguigan4578
    @liammcguigan4578 4 месяца назад +11

    Thon unionists has some cheek

  • @damienholden2132
    @damienholden2132 Месяц назад

    Ohh ohoooo

  • @liamkeane9159
    @liamkeane9159 3 месяца назад

    David,powersharing well some change from 95

  • @masoodahmed2041
    @masoodahmed2041 4 месяца назад +1

    Always good to see this, growing up in the mainland I was always troubled by the troubles never thought ethno religious divisions would arise move forward now 2024 there is trouble on the mainland and also Ireland with this issue of immigration which is putting sever pressure on communities and public services but the troubles would appear to be behind us.

    • @johnphelan6623
      @johnphelan6623 4 месяца назад +2

      What's the "mainland" now exactly?

    • @golaglanman860
      @golaglanman860 4 месяца назад

      ​@@johnphelan6623
      This product is available in stores province-wide was my pet peeve in ads on UTV.

  • @gower23
    @gower23 4 месяца назад +2

    Typical self-righteous condescending Gerry Adams.

  • @juv7
    @juv7 4 месяца назад +2

    That lady was brilliant 👏👏👏👏 well done and well said didn’t take her long to shut up David who came across as a very bitter and angry man and can only see one way The Orange Order his comment to her saying quote “ you should be sitting over there with a green ribbon on “ was embarrassing he let himself and the Orange Order down with that clanger the Minister spoke well also spoke sense and came across as a really lovely gentleman but the lady was brilliant

  • @loxism72
    @loxism72 4 месяца назад

    Ferry's got a new Irish bodyguard. Liam Malone 😂😂😂😂