Cybertruck fraud! Why car companies don't use stainless steel bodies
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Having built more stainless steel vehicles than any Australian in history (i.e. thousands of them), I'll be backing Tesla's rocket scientists over mere journos every day of the week and twice on Sundays,
Which vehicles would those be? Just interested, I used to build special vehicles myself from various materials including SS.
I am curious how the cybertruk will perform in a crash. Will it be too dangerous to other road users and passengers without crumple zones.
@@atticuswalker8970 They wont release it if its not one of the safest.
If they were reporting on the ocean, these reporters would complain about how it’s only an inch deep. Because that’s all the research they had time for.
@@TurdFergusen you can bet the competition will try to take it off the road after it goes straight through their product.
The worst thing about the EV haters that spew their stupid hatred online is that when they're proven wrong, instead of taking a step back and reconsidering their outlook on life, they move on to the next imagined offense and spray more stupid nonsense about that. Life would be so much better if idiots had a sense of shame, and when shamed so publicly would voluntarily disconnect from the net.
its what Isaac Asmov referred to as the "Cult of Ignorance"
No, it’s not gonna happen after all look at Gordon. He has no shame.
@@oldbloke204 My uncle is driving a Tesla as a taxicab in Montreal Canada. He has over 400,000 km on the car now. The car is on the road 17 hours a day. After 5 years its cost him half of what it used to cost him to run his Toyota Prius hybrid. You could not give him another type of car. And yes its still on its first battery.
the lack of shame, of the capacity for guilty reflection, is one symptom of our society's civil collapse in all areas. it enables us-against-them-ism, simplistic "thinking."
@@oldbloke204 The issue is your perceptions do not align with reality.
The DeLorean was absolutely made of stainless steel. I worked in a metal fab shop and scored high, strong steel, and it can be done quite easily.
And its steel frame was fiberglass wrapped so it would last a very long time.
@@spacey22 The real problem will be repair. It will be new territory. Tesla cars are already very expensive to repair. We shall see.
@@spacey22 shhhhhhh, that doesn’t fit the narrative that Elon never does anything stupid.
I used to sell industrial electronics. One of my customers had a DeLorean. One of the many problems with it was stress fractures of the stainless steel body. I assume that Tesla has resolved the problem with much more advanced metallurgy. They use the same metallurgy in the Falcon 9. The stresses are enormous.
@@wyattnoise does what he's accomplished so far look like the efforts of an idiot?
Tesla tried when others refused to try, and succeeded.
I mean it was more they came in just following the lithium ion battery. EVs have been made all the time, but nobody wanted them till lithium ion became usable. I'd say only the Japanese brands truly refused to make EVs and still do today.
Tesla showed up in the period following the fall of the lithium ion, the perfect timing. It's also the reason the Nissan Leaf only shortly followed Tesla coming out only 2 years later. Smart also had an electric variant a whole year prior to the first Tesla getting on the road but used sodium nickel chloride batteries as the lithium ion was still too steep for most consumers.
And no, GM didn't kill the EV because of oil companies. They trashed the EV1s as they were a legal disaster waiting to happen. Them using lead acid meant if people kept it in their garage their entire house might blow up from the hydrogen gas. It's the reason the EV1 was only up for lease and not to be owned and later they changed their minds and decided even leasing it was too dangerous for liability.
True. Indeed.
Bullshit!!!!
But then again, many of the things Musk has already accomplished were impossible.
He totally should make teslas moniker as "we make the impossible merely late" 😀
And there is an army of numskulls still peddling that the cars will fail.. Honestly what a waste of life..
Name one thing Elon has accomplished that was previously impossible.
@@jordanbrown7403 All the automakers have many skilled engineers. yet they can't accomplish what Tesla is doing. Leadership matters. Assembling the right people, setting the right goals, and actually allowing the engineers to come up with innovative designs. Sandy Monroe gave an examples of cost saving improvements his department suggested to Ford when he worked there. The executives didn't want to do it because it wasn't how they did things in the past and none of them want to stick their necks out and risk failure by trying something new. So, you need real leaders that allow their engineers to try new things and to fail because the successes will be worthwhile. You can say the same thing about Apple. Loaded with engineers but the company was failing until Steve Jobs returned. Now they are kind of coasting on previous successes and it will eventually bite them in the ass.
@@22rsx reusable rockets.
Tesla has already done MANY things that people told me were impossible. Some of these people said to me "I'm an engineer..." to get instant cred. I always wanted to respond "I'm a normal person with common sense" but I'm pretty sure that would piss them off.
piss them off
“Elon is a liar and his ideas are always wrong. I know because I’m just some random guy on the internet who says so.” -thunderfoot
I'm a engineer. What I do not know I research and discover. My I Q has been as high as 178. I have bravely gone where other engineers fear to tread and proudly failed many times. At the edge of any endeavour, nourished by determination, live folk who's patents are sighted hundreds of times.
Andrew, I'm an engineer and am guilty of occasionally saying "I'm and engineer" to gain cred. But, if someone said essentially "Are you always right?", I would admit that "No, I'm not." Engineers know alot... but they don't know everything... especially about subjects outside their specialty.
Anyone calling elon a liar is most certainly not an engineer. The reaction of toyota engineers is how engineers act. They called the model 3 a work of art like a week ago during an internal tear down of one.
Trollish people are almost always uneducated and at best have business degrees which is the same as being uneducated.
As a person that works in the stamping industry I have a couple comments. The panels do not need to be stamped. Because of the angles they only need bent and pierced. Also, the costs saved in dies and stamping processes may make up the difference in the materials cost. Just my two cents.
Like how it was impossible to land and reuse boosters... Problem with the "experts" - they are experts in last century's tech and should be ignored. Group Think is the biggest problem in the auto market today.
It’s impossible until it’s not. Everything we have today was once impossible.
They're not even "experts" at that. They only know how to use Google and copy+paste. Journalism majors are bottom tier people who aren't smart enough to realize they're the dumb person in the room.
NASA made a self landing rocket 60 years ago, it's called the lunar lander. Plus NASA also made the reusable rocket the DC-X that even has footage online from it doing the same takeoff and landing the Starship models just did 2 years ago. It was never used on an actual mission, but it did work. You're right, experts in last century's tech, just like all tech we use. There isn't much that's totally unique to this century you know. Even the LCD and OLED are from last century as well as graphene, carbon nanotubes, and quantum physics.
You know there's this unfortunately feature of people known as the dunning kruger effect. Those who think they know a lot show far more confidence than those who actually do. I spend way too much time absorbing information online (it's like some weird fascination of mine to know everything I can) but I can't say even I am an expert in most things. I have no idea of cars work beyond the basics (actually been looking into it in recent times but still trying to understand it), but I do know machinery from being an electromechanical technician.
The only think worse than Group Think is, Group NOT Think!
No, it wasn't impossible. It isn't economically advantageous.
if Ford or GM had a project using staneless steel it would be the greatest accomplishment ever
Oh I have nothing wrong with the material, the DeLorean did it in the 80s. I say it will never cost the price they claimed, not even close. I'd be surprised if it's any less than 60K with a more likely price of 75-85K. Even if the material is possible, it is odd and more costly than existing plastic and sheet metal body parts. Remember the original price was also lower than the current Model 3 price.
solution for a problem that doesnt exist...so lame. the other EV trucks are better
Why is that?
@@turbodewd1 I mean, it is a solution for those who add the cattle rams to their trucks. Just make the entire truck out of solid steel. And I can't really say the other trucks are better as we don't fully know what the Cybertruck even is yet outside of design.
Plus their claimed price is far better than the competition, but I will state I'll be amazed if it's less than 20K over what they claimed. That price they said made absolutely no sense. Especially only shortly afterwards the Model 3 became more expensive and never came down. There's no reason to believe their claimed price.
@@Skylancer727- Actually, at $39,900, the Single Motor Cybertruck with 250 Miles Range, and 6 Seats, the Cybertruck exceeds the "Base Model 3" Specs, and only was "Pitched" at ~$5,000 more!
I have to be carful what I share as one of my suppliers also supplies Tesla and I was lucky enough to see the Cyber truck body panels IRL. I have photos but won’t share out of fear for NDA issues for my supplier. That said I can confirm that the Cyber truck is real.
Without evidence, there is no reason anyone should believe you. Maybe you are a teenager and Mom is calling you to dinner.
Are you inferring that your "supplier" is manufacturing panels for Tesla? I thought Tesla did all that stuff in house.
@@Andriastravels Oh yeah, mom made meat loaf!
@@itsme123669 No. In my territory I distribute the same brand manufacturing equipment Tesla will be using to make the panels in the Cyber Truck. Tesla buy machines which they use internally to make their own components.
The solution to the metal springing back is to overbend so that when it does spring back, it will have the desired shape. I'm certain that Tesla knows and understand that. There are mathematical models to calculate how much overbend is required to end up with the desired result.
nope that knowledge that has (been true, known about, and addressed in manufacturing) for all materials with elasticity for hundreds if not thousands of years can't be applied here because Elon is a jerk, stupid, I don't like his politics, and he doesn't pay me. therefore physics don't exist for Tesla.
That is exactly what is done in making steel parts for every car in production today. To get more strength, all car makers have moved up to higher grades of steel.
I feel like I remember Tesla having mentioned this, or maybe it being in a patent somewhere
Hmmm. The spaceX rockets are Made of Stainless. Delorean did this in the 80s. I’m sure the metal working abilities have improved in 40 years. Most car magazines are just promotional for who pays the most for advertising, News flash, Tesla doesn’t pay for advertising. Go figure why car magazines hate Tesla.
The great thing about stainless steel is that Tesla can avoid the paint shop, vastly improving build efficiency.
How about tradespeople that like their truck to be painted in their personal livery, so that it becomes a mobile advertisement for their services? What's that, they can have it vinyl-wrapped? More expense for the customer.
@@brendanpells912 they can wrap their truck or buy a shitty lightning.
@@brendanpells912 You can paint letters and signs or "personal livery" on stainless steel. Try again Brendan.
@@brendanpells912 Ha ha - do you think it’s free on any vehicle to get it printed in personal livery? Same with Cybertruck it costs whatever vehicle it is.
@@dvader3263 You'll accept it's a lot harder to get paint to stick on stainless steel?
If a guy can make rockets from stainless steel a pickup should be a breeze
Unfortunately it's not the same steel it's a totally different alloy use your brain! Also it's not a guy but a group of engineers.
The history of engineering for thousands of years is filled with countless works that people said could never be done. The steam engine, radio, jet engines, and reusable rockets are a small sample of recent examples.
And practical electric cars.
You forgot and mega casting. When Tesla was talking about their process for mega casting parts on the Y there was countless threads and articles about how "if mega casting worked the big car manufactures would have been doing it for years , therefor it cant be done" . Now those same idiots are saying yea wait till the big guys get mega casting Tesla is done they actually know how to do it the right way. All the "experts" are morons this I do know.
Lol!!!!!
@@keithv3767 are you sure about that!? Because the first cars were actually electric almost 50 years before ICE try again
@@alanmay7929 I am aware of the early electric cars - none were practical. They had very little range and they were just small projects until post 1900, not real consumer products. When Ford started selling the Model T, it was a fraction of the cost of a Detroit Electric. So they were never practical until recently. Specifically, until Tesla, Leaf, and Bolt.
I sitll can't figure out why there is so much hate for Tesla. Elon Musk and Tesla basically kick started the EV revolution. No matter how you feel about Elon Musk, that is his credit forever.
Dude go down the rabbit hole. Majority of the top 10 companies in the world are oil and ICE companies that own the media. They also spend billions in advertising,so they control the media. It's really not that complicated, follow the money.
From the left, it's because Elon doesn't follow their WOKE crap and is also anti union. From the right it's because Electric cars are being forced upon people who prefer ICE engines.
Personally, I don't like evs, however I also hate tesla because of their fanbase
It's a reaction to the fandom, not the products themselves. Many of those that hate on Apple are throwing stones at the loyal fan base, who sometimes go to great lengths to defend the company. We see this constantly in sports.
@@italianmaestro3045 You don't have to like Tesla or EVs, not even the Tesla fan boys. That's your personal decision which I respect. But do you realize that this is a RUclips channel dedicated to EVs, that because Tesla is the leader on EVs he is going to continuously talk about Tesla and that is going to attract many Tesla fan boys.
What would you call someone that doesn't like music, hates musicians but goes to the amphitheater where the orquesta plays every day?
Wonder what this Journalist experience is in the crash industry? I bet they haven't even checked the oil in their own car . One might call them a "dipstick "
Tesla has likely crashed tested a few already. They have video of their internal crash lab on their youtube channel. Tesla will not go to production with less than 5 stars.
NYT has at various times declared refrigerators, airplanes, and space travel impossible.
Anyone whos dumb enough to read NYT is dumb enough to believe everything they say
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#stainless steel refrigerators
Stop lying those m@rons on internet!
NYT just gave us a reason to buy the Cybertruck.
NYT just gave another reason why not to buy the NYT’s.
Anyone whos dumb enough to read NYT is dumb enough to believe everything they say
@DRSmetal
I too want an impossible car!
@@larsnystrom6698 Didn't we just see Tesla launch the jmpossible semi truck?
The New York Crimes has occasional good content but mixed with a ton of garbage.
There are billions of SS sinks around the world that would disagree 😂
What about my SS bowl set? Or the egg beater, or the door knobs in my house, the appliances...just a few things I can see from where I am standing in my kitchen.
Triple & 4bay sinks (restaurants)
And all those hotknives in stoner's kitchens for the hash, those sure look stained to me.
@@5353Jumper And the catholic moil probably uses reusable washable stainless steel to briskly remove the stolen turtlenecks, like a crackhead to a catalytic converter that wants more of those vatican onion rings.
My dad had a successful sheet metal shop and I started working with stainless some 45 years ago. The SS alloys were no where near as compliant as they are today. You could totally overcome the problems of forming SS. Designing around crash crumple zones could be engineered as easy as steel and easier than some AL bodies. The drawback with SS is cost, but you would not need as much material as steel if designed properly. Don't get me started on regular steel and corrosion resistance or weakness over time; I'm in Michigan.
I am an engineer that works with metals everyday for the past 16 years. I too am skeptical about how they are going to pull it off. But I do think they will and I have my preorder in already!
How best can you respond to someone that has said you are a failure? Is to show them your success.
The Cyber truck is going to be my first Tesla.
Stainless steel is also more dangerous to other motorists exactly because it doesn't crumble as much during an impact. Now, that doesn't mean clever engineering can't solve that problem, but it needs to be solved for everyone's safety. SUVs already have skirted the law by being classified as "light trucks" which allows them to be urban assault vehicles.
Teslas are also "only" rated at level 2 autonomy meaning it's not self-driving. Mercedes actually holds the lead with being able to produce level 3 autonomous cars.
That light truck rating will surely have to apply to this new guillotine on wheels, which will decapitate pedestrians with those sharp edges.
If stainless steel was really so hard to work with, wonder why so many kitchen and home appliances (even cheap and crappy ones) are made with it now?
And apron-front(farmhouse) style sinks
There was an ad years ago, "oils ain't oils" to sell a supposedly superior product. In the same vein, "stainless ain't stainless". Fabrication techniques are way better than in the past. Cost of producing SS is lower too.
I’ve fitted a couple of IKEA s/s kitchens….
Don’t worry about it. In the USA we call it the NY Slime. That paper is not what it use to be…
If stainless can’t be formed, what are all the stainless sinks and kitchen components in existence.
Yep...
ITS ALL VAPOR WARE
If these guys were correct Sandy Monro wouldn’t be interested in getting one. Apparently I’m just a a Fanboy. I’m not selling any of stock until MY Cybertruck (#300,000) needs to be paid for. NYT is already suspect, now Jalopnick no longer needs to be looked at. I guess CLICK BAIT Rules.
There is a saying that says,” Those that can Do. Those you can’t WRITE.” NYT has gone so far downhill in the quality of their writer’s knowledge “
What do you expect? Reporters don't get paid much anymore. You won't get many quality people who want to do that job. So, you get people who are good at paraphrasing other stories. They won't actually do research for the amount of money they are paid. People don't want to pay for news anymore. So, you get what you paid for. When you had a large number of people subscribing to newspapers like the NYT and they had plenty of advertisers, the reporting was much better.
The NY Times used to be an academic newspaper with a reputation for integrity and speaking truth to power. It has come down a long way in all aspects and now is akin to mindless click bait appeal.
It is vaporware that is about to condense then solidify into gold.
This is just the consequence of doing something audacious. People will tell you it's nuts, can't be done. If you enjoy the madness of the Cybertruck, then you should also find the outrage over it, and (hopefully) the delicious tears of the skeptics to be utterly delightful.
🤔Well, we won't give them any rides in ours, will we? 🤣😂😅
Ultimately, Tesla doesn't advertise. These publications know who butters their bread, which is why you don't see hit pieces on any of the other auto makers who also happen to pay to advertise in these rags.
Legacy and vested interests know they are staring into the abyss of being irrelevant and completely bypassed. They see sufficient justification to tell any wild story, without any self control. Personally I think the replacements for the transit and sprinter vans should also be made with stainless exoskeleton. Rustproof, easier to provide different body lengths, ding free, no advertising PR cost, No Dealerships cost. All on top of the comprehensive list of advantages that already come with Tesla ownership.
Car companies don't make EV's only and succeed. Car companies don't sell vehicles without a dealership network and succeed. Car companies can't sell quality EV's for less than an ICE vehicle. There are many more BUT they are all correct. CAR COMPANIES can't do those things...TESLA CAN! Elon Musk has become the wealthiest man in the modern business world by doing what the "experts" say "can't be done"! EVERY time he and his people DO what "can't be done" those "experts" lose ALL credibility! IMO
Clearly, there will be a whole new set of challenges associated with getting this stainless steel Cybertruck into volume production. The question is do you believe that Tesla can overcome these challenges? I am expecting that Tesla can solve all these problems as Tesla already understands this particular version of stainless steel quite well. The part I am less sure about is the timing. If unexpected problems show up, then delays could happen.
Also, don’t forget that Mercedes Benz reported that the Tesla Semi was impossible as it would defy the laws of physics. Yet it was introduced last year, even if it was significantly behind schedule.
I expect that Jalopnik and the New York Times are busy chasing clicks as they must to survive. I don’t expect to see any retractions or corrections when the Cybertruck goes into volume production.
I’m even expecting it to be their fastest ramping vehicle to date. At investor day the pretty much said that this is their first car that was designed from the start for automation, so the speed that they can produce it should be substantially higher
The Cybertruck already has been extremely delayed. However I am fairly sure it will roll of the production line this year. All your point are on line.
i think they can build a handful of vehicles, mass producing them profitably is going to be a whole different challenge.
Perhaps a bit sensationalized, but stainless is a disaster for tooling lifespan. If you look at the pre-production test mules out there, the panels are quite wavy, and the fit up is poor.
As soon as the CT is out on the roads, once people realize what has happened, it might take a few months, the TSLA stock is going to double or triple, and climb up from there.
I wouldn't make any such predictions, any number of "catalysts" that should have been bigger than that with no short term stock results. Investor Day the latest example which was vastly more compelling then CT production, or the semi....pick your example.
But it doesn't matter for real investors, whatever gains don't happen sooner WILL happen later, to the extent they should happen at all.
@@Mrbfgray Investor Day and Battery Day didn't end up with something as dramatic as the CT passing you on the road. I believe when the first few thousand are seen driving around people (who don't follow Tesla, i.e. the majority) will be in awe. I predict the first few owners will have people following them to their homes and will only leave after the new owners drive into their garages and close their garage doors. Some folks in shock will probably get out and ring the doorbell to ask questions or permission to view it close up.
@@dzerres Yeah I know some who fret over their Model X due to unwanted attention in parking lots, imagine the pain in the ass of having stalkers for your CT, NO THANKS...sort of doubt that tho. Many will just laugh at it.
Anyway there's no reason that will effect stock price action. Gawkers aren't going to race home and buy TSLA, lol.
@@Mrbfgray history says they most certainly do. TSLA will rocket.
LOL! Those days are over, better you sell your TSLA and buy T-Bills.
The battle between Tesla and the legacy automakers is like a battle between Rocket scientist and Marketing executives.
The problem with most media especially in Australia, they often say they report on the truth but in reality they stretch the truth and build on their stories almost to the point of lies. Climate is changing and predominantly human made, electrification is the way forward. Electric cars will dominate despite the rhetoric. I just hope it’s not too late. Keep up the good work Electric Viking!
But sure the media is controlled in Australia by Rupert Murdoch and Elon is great friends with him...
@@oldbloke204 Were you even thinking writing that?
Of course 1 person buying an EV is not gonna make a difference, that's why the plan is to change the entire automobile indusrty to EV's, that's 80+ million vehicles sold every year... definetly gonna make a difference buddy.
Haha 🤣. You are cute, Australia has nothing on America's misinformation system. Be happy you're in a more liberal common sense and truly pro-life country. This place is going to hell.
@@ryankibler7973 We might be following! Heaven forbid.
@@oldbloke204 Not just about cars. Read between the lines
People are going to wrap the Cybertruck a lot. It's just too boring to all have the same color. Supposedly they will offer some anodized colors. Flat surfaces do show dings. The cold-rolled stainless steel that Elon has fallen in love with, is an incredibly strong material, but does not plastically deform like regular mild steel in auto bodies, and as a result it will be very difficult to repair. The amazing technology of the adhesive pads that allow repair of current bodies will not work on this material. Each ding will thus be permanent.
Given how Tesla grossly misled customers about the ship date of the Cybertruck, it does have to be classified as "vaporware".
It is amazing how much hubris people have about something they know something approaching zero about. Thanks for another great expose. The magazine's name comes from Jalopy and is in the USofA so the J is pronounced as a J.
Only the time will tell but anyone who doesn’t believe dings won’t be more prevalent is kidding themselves…Reno’d my house a few years back and in just a short time my kids have managed to put a tiny ding in each appliance…I’m the only one bothered but I see that awkward reflection each time I walk in the kitchen…no way that flat front end doesn’t end up the same way.
...and reusable rockets are impossible.
Weren't they saying the same thing about the Tesla semi.🤔 That they would never work. Aren't they making them in volume already.😑
My neighbor took a ride in my Model Y recently. Within a few minutes She started screaming. *She was so scared to be the worlds most dangerous vehicle.* Hmmmm..... this is what people learn by watching TV NEWS in _merica._ There is nothing I can do or say to change her mind. *_" All the recalls....!"_*
Was the auto-pilot engaged at the time or were you driving?
Were you showing off the acceleration? As for recalls, just pull up all the recalls from all the other manufacturers. It seems like most of the recalls from legacy auto involve fire risk in ICE cars, but it's EVs that people think has a huge fire risk.
@@tech-utuber2219 *Lol !* It didn't matter to her. She went hysterical when she realized that AP was driving on the highway. This is a woman who hates musk and tesla with a white hot passion, and her only source of information is the *mainstream CIA media.*
*_"We will know when our mission is complete, when everything that Americans think is 100% wrong."_*
William Casey, CIA Director 1981
A number of engineers told Frank Lloyd Wright that his design for Fallingwater would not work. Well it's still standing almost 100 years later.
Cybertruck announced in November 2019 and not in production. That's a good definition of vaporware
And Giga Austin does not exist…nobody can prove that it exists. It’s all cgi.
A lot of GM EVs have been announced and not in production, but they're going to overtake Tesla in a year or two apparently.
54% of the US adult population has a literacy rate below 6th grade level and I think you will find most journalists in that group.
What an inherently paradoxical and ridiculous statement. You must be in that 54% yourself.
If stainless steel cannot be formed into shapes, why are there lots of cooking pots and pans that have been made of stainless steel since the early 1950's? My parents had a set and it lasted their entire lifetimes!
Oh? And what are the Crash Ratings like ? And have you done repairs after a crash ? And will they do 100 mph ?
That is a process called deep drawing, completely different from car body part fabrication. It amazes me that people will not Google their question and in 5 minutes learn something, rather than look like idiots in a comment stream.
@@Andriastravels Carajo!
Sorry, these aren't real trucks. They are expensive toys for spoiled yuppies and over-excited Elon fans.
The angular shape of the cyber truck suggests that Tesla didn’t stamp the panels - they’re just cut and fitted together. So comes down to advances in adhesives and welding, which I agree completely Space X/ Tesla will have nailed; this is their own cold rolled steel.
Must admit I do wonder how it’s occupants will fare in a crash, particularly against another cyber truck, because it does not look like it would crumple at all. I’d be prepared for Tesla to come up with something novel to solve that though.
Final thing is what it would do to a pedestrian it hit. That’s probably … nasty. Will make a difference in European safety tests that include this. Do American safety tests care about pedestrian safety though?
They don’t. Americans do not care about pedestrians at all. It’s a bunch of poor people who can’t by a car anyways
Great show Sam and sending best wishes to your wife and family mate.
Vapourware? No, the vapour is the story based on half-truths and speculation.
The only substance in the story, is that stainless steel does use expensive chromium and nickel. The actual properties of the steel sheet depend on its composition, and its heat treatment and temper. Depending on these, stainless can have almost as wide a range of hardness and strength as other grades of steel.
Offsetting the extra cost of the steel, is the paint that it does not need. When I worked for Chrysler Australia in the 1970s, the cost of painting the cars was nearly 10% of the total cost !!! Now, I know that we weren't the most efficient factory by far, but it does indicate that paint is something to avoid if it can be done. Yes, there will be difficulties with joining, and with repairing, stainless, but they are difficulties, not impossibilities.
I do like the comments regarding Stainless steel not being able to hold its shape.. I honestly don't remember my stainless steel pans suddenly popping back to flat sheets.. odd!
One thing some people don't get is that the current Tesla offerings aren't getting stale. Sure, they haven't made arbitrary external design changes to mark a model year change, but internally they're quite different. I have a 2019 Model 3, and I can point to many changes in newer ones that I would love to have (heat pump, heated steering wheel, longer range, and soon HW4 for FSD). Yes, Tesla is breaking the industry rule that you do a major design refresh every three years or so, but Tesla has been breaking industry rules from the start.
Even externally.
Breaking “planned obsolescence” rules
Nice Sam!!!love your work!!!
So, to be clear, Tesla doesn't make rockets. SpaceX makes rockets. They are two completely distinct companies that share their major shareholder. Sometimes engineers from one are loaned to the other. I'm certain that they share a lot of engineering data, (that isn't restricted by ITAR). But they are two distinct companies. They don't even share an umbrella, like KFC and Taco Bell. So it would be more accurate to say that "Tesla has access to engineers that build rockets out of Stainless Steel" rather than suggesting Tesla makes rockets.
The nits all look the same after you've picked them off of two grey wool suits.
Stop making sense or stating facts. That does not belong in this circus clown show.
I can't wait for my non existent truck to get here! I have a M3p I recall them saying it would never be built either , it sure does drive pretty good for a car that doesnt exist.
DeLorean is made of SS. I ordered the Cyber the second day they announced so hoping it does make it to market soon
It was on a fibreglass shell - if you bother to research
@Ray Watson what does that have to do with the outer panels being stainless?
@@KLUminislate The fact that the structural component wasn't stainless steel, like the Cybertruck is supposed to be.
You buying the CT based on Delorean design is apples and oranges.
@Ray Watson stainless on a frame is fine for me. Basically DeLorean was an overlay, veneer.. still stainless. We will see the safety rating on cybertruck soon I assume, if it is safe, durable, works for me
Stainless steel is a Family and not a single spec product. Tesla cold rolled many times stainless is totally different from kitchen sink stuff which can be deep drawn to make the bowl.
New rule: Never, ever bet against Musk.
Yup, but that's not a new rule. ;)
No one was building BEV's, so it can't be done.
And, back in the stone ages, round wheels can't work.
And, when we came out of the woods.
To domesticate animals will not work.
How mutch progress had the world goten with these people?
And NO ONE can land an orbital class booster and reuse the booster.
Today drove the BYD Atto 3 from Canberra to Sydney and back, round trip 680 km. Fast comfortable trip. Two brief fast charges. No problems.
Ahahahahahahaha oh man I needed that laugh, thank you Sam!! Great content exposing the idiocy of the press.
sure good points! ... so where's the truck for sale ?
The point about crumple zones is one I have not previously considered. I am interested to see how Tesla addresses this. Given safety is at the core of their DNA I give them credit to solve for this but I would love to hear the details.
Cruple zone is the car or truck that hits it.
Just slap on some fireproof closed cell foam on the crash areas
One area I’m eyeing on the beta version is the bumper. It looks like thin stainless over something else.
You can still absorb energy felt by the passengers without having the fenders crumble.
Stainless steel will crumple. It's just a matter of force. You can test this on your silverware, which is most likely made out of stainless steel- just grab a spoon or fork by the ends and bend. Of course, afterwards, you'll also experience how hard it is to repair as you try to bend it back before the wife finds out what you did with her favorite silverware.
Steel was used a lot on older vehicles like before 70s? The main reason we stopped using it was the repercussion of getting into an accident without that "crumple" effect that stops you from flying around in your car. I'm sure Tesla knows this and has engineered the frame in a way that is still safe in accidents.
Somebody needs to tell these refrigerator manufacturers that they have been doing impossible feats with stainless for decades. I mean, how do they even hold their shape? LOL
A nothing comment, not worth the space.
Stainless will be costly. it has a nasty habit of cutting & injuring workers & being extremely hard on all tools that work it, VERY STRONG, but costly.
These nay-sayers should watch video showing how the Cybertruck is made. They might also notice how rectilinear it is, with only a few bends (one of the supposedly disqualifying properties of stainless). This minimum bending is one reason why it is NOT impossible to build (for those with vision). They're gonna look pretty foolish when a Cybertruck rides by.
As someone with a welding background, I've found that stainless is much easier to weld than aluminum. Cutting, machining, and bending are all different stories. I'm curious about crash protection and how they'll engineer that.
The DeLorean was a stainless steel skin but not structural, and it was designed to last and be endlessly servicable..
Can't wait to see a Cybertruck dissected and get a deep dive look at how it's engineered. Also,I'd like to see a truck that doesn't rust after 3 years of ownership in Michigan
This incomprehensive coverage of Tesla's Cybertruck just made me doing some digging and finding very compelling cost-effective arguments that makes Cybertruck, feature for feature, ahead of the pack. At the end of the day, I just had to go to Tesla’s website to make a deposit for an advance order. Begs the question: could this coverage be a reverse psych ploy to influence potential truck buyers to dig for more information on Tesla's Cybertruck than what’s been presented. Mmmmm, have to say, effective if it were…👍
its pathetic...you cant buy one....enough said
This has made me extremely angry for years, the idea that cars use such highly corrosive body panels. My coworker years ago, before he retired, he was 73 years old, and he was telling me that he had some body panels from a Model T ford, and they didn't need to be stored indoors, because they could not rust, because the original Model T body panels used a special rust resistant metal or galvanizing compound. This made me even MORE ANGRY. The first cars were "rust resistant?" UNACCEPTABLE!! It's been possible all along for them to make galvanized steel panels, that barely cost more than regular steel.
I guess all those stainless steel kitchen appliances are just a figment of our imagination as well as they would be too costly for us to afford.
At the price-point of a cybertruck, a stainless body is doable.
The crash crumple zone 'issue' is not an issue at all. Some auto bodies include materials that are stronger/stiffer than stainless (e.g. carbon fiber). Crumple zones are a structural design challenge that is addressed with the complex design of sliding, breakaway, deforming, and folding structural components using various materials and design details in the structure/frame - the stainless skin isn't a problematic issue.
While stainless is much more expensive than typical sheet metal, you don't paint it. Painting sheet metal is a complex and expensive process. Modern low-VOC primers and paints are very expensive and applying them requires a lot of equipment and facility footprint - and then there is paint QC and rework. Not sure what the cost equation looks like, but I doubt there is a huge gap.
As far as metal stamping and forming is concerned, well, the cybertruck is very angular and slab-sided. Perfect for stainless fab. Doing a curvaceous Ferrari or Jag E-Type in stainless would be crazy hard, but doing the cybertruck shouldn't be much more difficult than than shaping the panels of a stainless refrigerator or or stove.
Also, the body is not always key in crumple/crush energy absorbing zones. The underlying structure often does most of the work.
NYT is a shell of its self.
1936 Ford Deluxe Sedan, a 1960 Ford Thunderbird and a 1967 Lincoln Continental Convertible - all resplendent is bare, polished stainless steel. Stunning
If I remember correctly, Ford made a stainless car in 1937 and it is apparently in a museum. I want to remember it was a car that they drove around at that time to demonstrate and so on. but they will probably come to the conclusion that it would be too expensive to have in series production
The SS Fords were show cars that were stamped on dies that were at the end of their run. The stainless, being stiffer, was hard on the dies. The last one they made was a "squarebird".
The DeLorean was essentially a Lotus made composite body shell with thin stamping grade stainless to give it a skin and is rather flat without and real compound curves. Stainless does straight bend rather easily on a press brake. I find stainless is easier to TIG weld. Not a problem at all.
One last thing- Tesla make the highest safety rated cars on the market and I would think they have done their homework on stainless energy absorption.
They said the semi was impossible too.
One may wonder... Is it just sour grapes or is the vitriol fed by the oil industry bribes? 😅
Mary Barra probably paid for the article she hates Tesla.
The EV1s were crushed just a few miles from my house. The guy that sold the Ovid battery patents to Mobil oil...has always regretted it. When you get to hang out with the original EV1 engineers you realize how FOC the pundits, and GM "management" are. The FBI field manual on forgery was, at one time, "They write their own sentences". That's hilarious on more than one level.
Probably just plain ignorance, something very prevalent in the US despite the Internet which seems to foster lies, misinformation, misleading BS and important omissions. Ignorance breeds gullibility.
As an Apprentice Boilermaker/Platemetal worker we had a sheetmetal worker who had worked in the manufacture of the delorean at their plant in Ireland and their bodies were made out of brushed stainless steel. So those saying there were not don't know what they are talking about.
Every Tesla product feels like vaporware because Elon's announcements & proclamations precede an actual product by a good 5 years. I put my Cybertruck order in in 2019 and apparently I'm 1,700,000th place in line to get mine
They needed to build the factory first…
@Dr. Mark Evers
Yes. That's why Elon didn't mention a Model 2 or a van as some have suggested are in the works, because they are well over 5 years away. Would have been nice to see more Cybertruck specifics and details in the investor day event. As a $450k shareholder, the stock is dead until more of his promises come to fruition. I paid my $10k years ago for FSD and still don't have it.
Elon spends way to much time getting in petty twitter fights. His latest back and forth with a fired disabled employee is embarrassing, and this is from me, one of the most brilliant and hate-filled trolls on RUclips. I make complete fools of all challengers, and I am embarrassed by Elon's idiotic childish interactions with people.
The joke is on you, too.
I’ve always wondered what happens to the cybertruck if you get in a fender bender. I’ve never questioned whether or not musk can pull off producing them.
you win and whatever you hit lost. its going to weigh thousands of pounds more than almost any other vehicle. there will be very few accidents that the cyber truck loses in
@@PeteZam The Cybertruck won't be nearly as heavy as some people assume, the majority of what would be the upper frame is integrated into the vehicle skin, it's a skin stressed design like an aircraft, it's also going to be using a structural battery pack and cast aluminum front and rear frame sections.
Will NY times and Jalopnik issue retractions when thousands of "impossible" Cybertrucks start pouring off the assembly line? Probably not.
no truck available...its a Cybermyth
@@turbodewd1 "no truck available" - because it hasn't commenced production yet? How many vehicles has Tesla put into production in the last decade? Were they all "myths" before production commenced? Look around you at how many Teslas are on the roads. Myth is not the word for it, it's vision and dedication and sheer hard work in pursuing a goal. That's how dreams become reality.
Quick question weren’t the first ones going to be available on the road if were purchased them in 2019 by 2021? It’s 2023. This same car that will be ready by the end of this year has to use blocks to get up over a curb on grass… by this year….
I mean let's face it, Tesla have a history of success and proving doubters wrong. They always solve the hard problems others won't or can't. So sure, making the Cybertruck out of Stainless will be hard, but I'm sure they can pull it off!
There is no imperative for Tesla to use austenitic stainless steel, they could just as well use ferritic stainless steel which is easier to work and not subject to crevice corrosion. These materials are used a lot for architectural panels, so are well known, and have superior properties in a lot of areas to the austenitic steels.
Given that they seem to be entirely using it because it looks like an 80s kid’s idea of cool, that would make a lot of sense.
Most of the sensible aspects of the criticism seem to be “this is a really difficult, dumb way to make a car” rather than “this is an impossible way”.
The Tesla Cyber Truck does already exist, there are a number of them being tested and there are lots of pictures of them out and about
Wrong, those are prototypes, not in production. A big difference.
@@Andriastravels of course, that is what I meant…. There are actual cyber trucks out there
bro what? the DeLorean was absolutely skinned in stainless steel.
If space X can have reusable rockets and software to land a rocket, I think they can make a earthbound stainless steel truck by its sister company Tesla. They have a stainless steel Rocket. They have the expertise. Never say never with Tesla. Musk is a business and science genius. Bullied as a kid and now bullied by envious companies
If the Cybertruck is one or two pressed pieces and you get into an accident then how do you repair sections? You have to replace the entire section which would be very expensive! Same with the Y which has the hatch connected to the rear bumper- very costly to repair if hit from the back.
No stamping. That is the business model. Just fold those flat sheets like a paper airplane.
Body shops do this all the time. It maybe more difficult with stainless but not impossible.
They have their own special stainless. Also a material science team
Wrong. They buy stainless on the world market, like everyone else.
I suspect that based on other items, that the stainless steel will be a 4k 'paint color' option.
So the DeLorean was a figment of the MSM imagination??
@@oldbloke204 it’s quite remarkable once it hits 88mph with 1.4Gigawatts in the flux capacitor….
@@Trilobite45 1.21GW...
@@ledsalesoz had to compensate for inflation…
What's totally triggering for me is that these people *_tell lies,_* impeding public access to facts, and then take profit from their lies. Maybe they're grifting, maybe they're short selling. Whatever they're doing, it's immoral, journalistically unethical, and should be made illegal, and punishable by jail* - no fines.
* or the factory floor.
I don't think they said it was impossible, just impractical. Great if you want to make a mobile battering ram, not good for any pedestrians or cyclists the autopilot drives you into. Using stainless steel is a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.
Boy are the team at Munro and Associates gonna be red faced that they missed all these show stopper issues identified by the experts at TNT and Jalopnik! I bet Sandy will be cancelling his CT reservation and prioritizing a 'Sorry we were blind to the Cybertruck show stoppers' video on YT... Thank you TNT and Jalopnik for bringing light where other automotive engineering and manufacturing 'experts' failed.