When Titanium Is This Cheap, Why Buy Steel? Citizen NY0100
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Big shout out to Paul for the loan of these two crackers! I am quite partian to that green one to be honest. If it pops up for $399 again I might have to grab it. I am personally a big fan of the lightness of titanium, and the quality of finish of Citizens, pretty great for this money. But where is the sapphire??!! Cheers, Jody
I’ll take a Citizen over a Seiko any day, I have several and have never had an issue. Their dive watches are dependable and well built. I have a couple titanium but I prefer the feel and heft of stainless steel.
Totally agree, prefer the heft and weight of steel! Ordered a BN0150-61E today, already a couple of nato straps on the way! 😊
I 100% agree. Seiko couldn't care less about quality control and Citizen Eco is an awesome technology
I have a lot of watches from both brands. Citizen is great, but Seiko is clearly the more interesting watch maker.
Sold my titanium eco drive ax it was just too light on the wrist,generally love citizen though
@@blackpig52 light is good.
Citizen is unparalleled in price/performance I think. All my citizens are perfectly aligned, and no QC issues whatsoever. Which I can't say about my Seikos. Sure, some citizens are "acquired taste*, but when they nail a design, it's usually a really good deal
My jp2007 have big hand/dial misalignment problems. I got it back to the dealer where I bought it to get a new one and the other one was exactly the same. You can even see this on their commercial photos as well, if the angle is right.
Can't go wrong with Citizen especially when they come with a six year warranty.
My Citizen Sport AW1598-70X is a God send to be honest, absolutely love it. Keeps time, aligns properly, has a stunning lume, nice weight and the 'eco-drive' is a nice talking point.
Accuracy for an automatic caliber?
Hmmm. Your comment and among others, are making me think about my next possible watch. I've never taken Citizen seriously, but that may change in getting the next watch
I got it off Amazon for £268 and it’s bounced back up to £368 recently. At first I found it so light that I equated it with being cheap but it’s grown on me and I wear it daily.
I cannot stop seeing the 12 o’clock index looking like classic tighty-whitey underwear.
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Gotta love these NY00XX variants. This one seems like a winner. Solid end links, solid links, milled inner clasp, titanium and duratect coating! This looks great and the size is not too big!
I have a close alternative, the Citizen Promaster Eco-Drive BN020056E. It's quartz, but full titanium with a similar-looking bracelet, but a perhaps nicer clasp with two very secure pushers. Because it's a Citizen, it's somewhat drab looking to most but I love its mostly unpolished dark titanium look and feel, and the Eco-Drive is just an 11/10, and as a bonus the lume is right up there with the best of my collection and one of the main reasons I like to wear it when I need night visibility. Another thing I notice is when I come inside from a sunny day, even in a lit room it looks like a bunch of fireflies sitting on the dial ;-). I only have a few other watches that do that (and they are not Seikos!). My only minor complaint is the ridiculously small (but screw-down) crown, but thankfully because it's quartz, I don't have to use it too frequently. It's also a bit thinner than the ones you're reviewing I think which makes it good for not catching on doorways, furniture, etc. which makes it my "nice" beater watch!
Citizen currently seems to be the king of affordable titanium watches.
I recently managed to get a Citizen NH9120 automatic titanium watch on sale at a department store for just 160€. I am not the biggest fan of open heart watches but this one really grew on me, especially the comfort!
They were the first to have a titanium watch
I have 3 Titanium watches and I love them ... I wish ALL my watches were made with titanium !
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Perfect timing for the review Jody! Got the exact same watch in Green for $399 in Feb and love it. Procrastinated over the mineral crystal but eventually pulled the trigger. Thanks for another great review 👍🏽
Citizen is the toyota corolla of watches
I own half a dozen seikos, some cost ~ 150 USD - 600 USD, but they all have a few things in common: misaligned internal/external bezels OR chapter rings, and the end links have gaps between lugs AND/OR the case itself.
Citizen diver for 200 USD? perfect chapter ring alignment, perfect finish, perfect chapter ring. Citizen chronograph for 150 USD? Hollow end links, but they don't move a nanometer, and have 100 % fit to the lugs and case. 200 USD solar GMT, 200 Meters of water resistance? 100 % fit on the bracelet, milled clasp, immaculate bezel for which all markings line up on ALL chapter ring marks.
I LOVE my seikos, all of them are something you can look at every 15 minutes and admire the design, details, but man, citizen is something else for the price.
To add to your analogy, you could say Seiko is Honda to Citizen's Toyota.
Honda and Seiko have their quarks but fanboys love them to no end (myself included).
Citizen is that much more practical Toyota 'it just works'. No nonsense, every once in awhile they'll surprise you with an underrated Celica promaster 😎
What a lovely watch! I wonder why they use mineral crystal when synthetic sapphire is so readily available and so many cheaper watches offer this luxury. You would think a rare-er material like titanium would be paired with sapphire. Also, very unique with the left hand crown!
There's the old 'mineral doesn't shatter it scratches' argument, but how many of these will actually go diving? 🤷
Just a guess, but maybe because they need to justify their more expensive ranges. If they offer it on cheaper models there won't be a reason to pay for higher spec models, and it'll cannibalize sales.
Funnily enough I think that's why people are clicking buy on so many Ali express models
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to have a case and bracelet with hardly any scratches but a crystal full of scratches!
Hi Jody, super review as always. I own the Blue titanium version of this watch and it is a really super watch and the mineral crystal, though disappointing holds up well to wear
I have three Citizen automatic divers including a 25 year old NY0040 which is still going great, looks amazing, has never been serviced and I still use it as my diving watch for holidays - incredible quality.
I love my SKX' too, but once someone buys and lives with one of these Citizen watches, they will really appreciate what a great little qwerky watch this is. Cheers Noel
Hey, do you ever change the gaskets on your NY0040? Or have they held up all this time?
Between Citizen titanium divers, the fabulous Tudor Pelagos, and the legendary Fifty Fathom titanium, I must say that titanium is awesome choice of material for divers.
I love it! Thanks for the continued quality reviews, Jody JOMW!
I bought a Ray Mears promaster tough.Within a week I dinged the smooth bezel and the nick was quite deep and annoying.Also the clasp (supposedly titanium)scratched for fun.So I sold it and bought a full lume NY0040.Steel and tough.Several months in no marks on case or bezel.So I'm now very suspicious about Citizens titanium.Also the NY0040 cost £180 sterling,so was about half the price.I stuck it on a jubilee available on the bay for £19 from a UK seller which is excellent quality and on a par with Seiko's skx jubilee.(I've also owned a Rolex jubilee and quite frankly I prefer the looseness of the copies,and their quality is not far off, believe it or not.im not saying the watches are as nice as a datejust though.but if anyone watching this vid is thinking about these two ,I would go NY0040 all day.
Excellent review as usual. Regarding the issue of mineral crystal v sapphire: sapphire is obviously preferable but mineral crystal is surprisingly scratch resistant, at least Citizen's version. I've had my Promaster diver since 2017 and wear it almost every day during the summer months when I'm at the beach, pool, and lake and it is yet to pick up a single scratch. Which has surprised the hell out of me.
Great video Jody. I've been a titanium fan for a long time - love the feel of the metal. I've owned a Citizen Promaster perpetual calendar for 12+ years and the Duratect has really been scratch-resistant (unlike my titanium Seiko Samurai ☹). Oh, and thanks a bunch for drawing attention to the 'underpants'. It's like the FedEx arrow - once you see it, you can't unsee it....
Citizen was my very first analog watch I ever owned it is still a brand I fall back on. For the price the quality is awesome. As always thank you Jody for keeping it real. If it ever crossed your mind could you think about doing a video on vintage versus new and the trends vs big and small. Thank sit
Great review. FYI, the differences I see compared to the NY0040:
1. This one hacks, unlike the 8203 movement in the NY0040.
2. This one is titanium rather than steel, but dimensions and physical specs are about the same.
3. This one doesn’t have the dated looking greenish/yellow indices.
4. It has a colored minute hand and a longer second hand with a spot of color.
5. The bracelet that came with the NY0040 has cheap folded links, hollow/folded endlinks, and a diver extension. However, I wear my NY0040 on a bracelet that I stole from a Fugu I flipped (don’t like the Fugu, mainly due to the indices). The bracelet on this NY0100 seems a bit nicer than the stock Fugu bracelet, which doesn’t have a foldover clasp but does have solid endlinks. That said, I just learned from this video that the bracelet on this NY0100 doesn’t taper, so it’s 20mm on both the clasp and lug ends. The bracelets for the NY0040 and the Fugu taper from 20mm to 18mm and don’t have the polished accent stripes on the links.
6. Lume on this watch appears to be more blueish than the NY0040, which has green lume.
7. This one has a signed crown, the NY0040 does not.
I like that the NY0100 has hacking and is lighter and less shiny due to the titanium. I would be much more likely to buy the NY0100 if it had a sapphire crystal and a tapered bracelet.
The ny0040 current production hacks, Citizen upgraded the movement
A titanium citizen was my first watch, it was also the one that got me into collecting watches. I haven't worn it for a couple of years due to I assume my wrists changing size and it no longer fits 100%.
I've been yearning for a new watch for a while but instead I did the 'change the strap first' idea so I picked up a black silicone strap for the titanium citizen and it is amazing! Its like a new watch and now I love wearing it!!
I plan to get at least 2 citizen titanium eco exceed watches. They are polished and have duratec treated. I like light ready to go watches that look good.
Last year bought the NY0108-82X Titanium for the Italian market. 1000 pieces only. Great watch. One of my goto watches in my collection.
This model has been on my radar for years. Great review Joddo
For a while I had a Helm Vanuatu in stainless steel and titanium. I liked the heft and scratch resistance of the SS one, but ended up trading it for a SS Khuraburi, simply because the Titanium one is so easy to wear by comparison. I also have a Dailos Waveform which is titanium and I sometimes forget I'm even wearing it! So Titanium is good, but it's not a hard wearing (generally) as Steel and I have no doubt there's a place for both in a collection.
I shifted to Citizen from Seiko first simply because build quality was dollar for dollar, significantly better. Then I came across their Titanium versions and that sealed the deal to never go back to Seiko.
Looking at it objectively, the only reason I liked the Seikos was because their designs were on point, the rest, honestly, was just passion blinding me from all their flaws and limited value for money.
My titanium Citizen Challenge Diver is just excellent. Lightweight, smooth back, accurate and good lume. Looks good too. All boxes checked.
Thanks for the review. I prefer Ti for the light weight, though I do own some steel watches. Past $300 USD, I find it difficult to justify buying something that is not Ti. I love the higher end JDM watches, and own several Casio Oceanus, as well as a Seiko Astron Nexter, and a Citizen Attesa, all of which are Ti.
Got my blue one for 200 € quit from an AD. I‘ve put it on a matching colours split nato and now it’s even lighter. Perfect summer watch for me
You talked me into the tactical frog FXD, and I LOVE it. My first Ti watch.😊
I've got the same, and the titanium is very scratch resistant, even more so than stainless steel from daily activities. Normally a stainless steel clasp would get desk diving scratches within an hour of use, yet I've worn this for a few days at my desk already and the clasp still looks brand new.
It's not for desk use anyway.
that's for normal steel , and citizen knows this , that's way they use coated titanium , super titanium x5 less scratch resistant
For affordable decent Ti watches, Citizen is a solid choice.
Purchased my first full Ti Citizen a month ago.
A brilliant Promaster Sky CB0140: Full Titanium case and bracelet , Eco Drive, Radio controlled, sapphire crystal, great lume.
Although it is a 2015 model and I got it secondhand, it barely has any marks.
I accidentally hit a wall with it while locking my bike, I expected some damage, but I was very surprised to see no damage at all.
Feeling on wrist is marvellous, it is a big watch but it only weighs in at 100g on my 7 inch wrist, and the titanium feels very comfortable due to its ability to match your body temperature very fast.
Pretty solid tool watch, extremely happy with it, especially since I only paid half price..😊
Good evening from Michigan! Love the t shirt Jody!
Hi Jody. I watch your vids whenever my wife isn’t around. I have bought two SD1970’s, Seiko SNZH53, ordered a Helm Komodo because of you. I stumbled onto your videos in 2021, you’re my number 1 reference. These days, my 8 yr old runs to my iPad or TV when she hears your drum beat and tick tocking intro. Helloooo she says! 😂
in light of the titanium cases, I hope you can review a Heimdallr Tuna in titanium.
My Citizen Promaster Titanium seems to scratch as easy as any other titanium watch, I still love it though, it's so light and looks great
I love the colour and finish of titanium. I have three in my collection and they definitely are the most comfortable to wear. No sapphire, that is a shame. Great review as always.
I like the green. The 8pm crown is great, I wear my watch on the right. Mineral crystal on a diver is best - it'll scratch not shatter. I have steel & titanium Citizen watches, I like both.
I've got the blue dial one.
Pretty watch, very lightweight.
That titanium doesn't scratch at all.
The complaint I have is the day-date background. I would prefer white instead of black, I can't see that date.
And also the position of the key, but I don't find it that anoying.
Nice video!
Yes, I totally agree with you. So much that I have the Blue Titanium version. 🙂
I got the Signum Full Lume Ti GMT based on your review, amazing!
Thank you JODY! Sitting here on a job site all night, youtube letting me down, and here comes my favorite watch loving Scottie!
Ha! Thanks for watching mate, don't work too hard 😉
I love the lightness of titanium watches. Citizen, Casio, and Massdrop (made by Armour Lite).
I have always been of fan of Citizen, I have several everyday watches and an absolutely beautiful Campanola. The just make a great product.
Jody...damn you! Your fantastic video made me buy the blue variant one. Looking forward to receiving it. Ugh...
Titanium has it's pro as being light and for some people allergy free, but we have to keep in mind that titanium is far from stainless steel in hardness, so with dive watch or tool watch if used as intended you might end up with a lot more scars on the tiatnium watch.
I'd say there's a certain appeal in having a lot of scratches on your watch case/bracelet
My first dive watch for diving in the late 90's was a Citizen titanium eco drive.
Citizen is my favorite dive watch brand. I have an eco-drive Bn0151, original Fugu from 2018 (NY size, non-hacking, mineral), and an NY0040 (8204 hacking movement). I love their lume and 60 click bezels. I also don't mind mineral. I'd love to see this model in black with an orange seconds hand.
Shoutout to Paul for the loans as plenty to like about these Titanium watches if you manage to get them for a bargain price. Great video Jody!
Why even upgrade the glass? Mineral is fine. If it really scratches up, then you can replace it with a sapphire one, I guess. Lovely watches and lovely review as always! 😎
I prefer Ti by a hiuge margin, love the look and the weight.
Great review!
Love this watch! Didn't know it existed, and now I kinda want to buy it. Thanks much!
You've got something wrong here about Citizen titanium. It's run of the mill titanium until Citizen treat it, then they call it super titanium. You'll usually see "Base Titanium" on the caseback which is normal titanium. Then different names and logos mean different hardness of coatings. Also raw grade 2 titanium can be and is polished fine.
I have an NY0084-89E with the 8203 movement in steel. It can be had for under $200USD. I love the watch (bracelet sucks) and just prefer steel at a discounted price over titanium. The weight savings of titanium isn't a big deal to me.....but it's cool and I wouldn't mind one in my collection.
Great review Jody, nice to see Citizen getting some love. Shame about that 8 o'clock crown though, my lookalike BN0150 manages fine with one at 4 o'clock. I have a Titanium BJ7111-51M, I love the feel of the watch it's warm and silky smooth, I just need a Super Tough now!
Great review. Please do the Sugess Air Command Homage next
Love the vids!!!!
Thanks mate! 💪💪
I WOULD be a fan of titanium If it wasnt always Matt/blasted. Titanium can have a super beautiful high polish shine to it as well! 🙏
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Helloooooo right back at you from Sydney!
I definitely prefer steel. I don't like the brownish grey of titanium, I don't like the light weight (I don't wear watches on bracelets), I don't like the surface feel of titanium, and I find that even with "super" coatings or treatments titanium still scratches easier. Ironically, titanium watches just feel cheap to me.
Citizen pmd56-2952 and at6085 are my personal titanium watches.
I much prefer the heft of steel if I had to choose between the two but titanium does have a place in my collection; I do have a Seiko Shogun, Seiko 1000m Golden Tuna, and a Seiko SNR045, all of which are titanium.
Thanks Paul!
Wether you like citizen or seiko...nice to know we have two great options from two great Japanese companies with impressive histories
I have both. The ti Helm Vanuatu is sooooo much lighter than the steel, which I can't wear anymore as it's too heavy. Sometimes I like the heft of steel and the dings it gets from everyday uses the ti I wear when I need something not as heavy. I have a Citizen Ti watch that's eco with a similar band, it's fine. I usually wear it as my grab and go. But the ti weight on numerous watches I have is nice. So I split them and purchase based in look. Ti is a bonus to me that's not absolutely necessary.
Promaster watches certainly do look better in person. I just received the NY0040 that I ordered and was blown away by the amazing finish and great look (it’s my first Citizen). It’ll be even better with a jubilee!
🔥🔥 ordered the long island jubilee for my NY0040 full lume, just waiting on it 😍
Yep, I got the Long Island one too. Can't wait to receive it!
This looks really good I wasn’t expecting those dimensions it’s very similar to my Kamasu apart from the thickness I wouldn’t wear it on the bracelet so would be even lighter on a single pass nato
Hi paulfrom Perth, starbuy has a special today only. For tis watch $389 Aussie. Keep up the great work Dr Jody
I've never really given titanium a thought before. Just never occurred to me, although I knew they were available. But after seeing this video, I'm definitely sticking with steel. The looks just don't compare. That thing looks drab and muted. A high quality polish and finish on a steel watch looks a thousand times better. And learning titanium scratches easier doesn't help. I'm sticking with steel.
Most titanium watches are coated, which actually makes them MORE scratch resistant than 316L SS, but if you want a high polished watch, there is a lot more choice in steel.
I owned the green version. Absolutely lovely piece.
I have Seiko's in both metals, but I'm a bit of a fan of titanium. I prefer the lightness on chunkier watches, my SBBN040 and SBEJ003, and even then they still have some heft to them. I think they'd be top heavy in steel and on their diver straps. I love the gold coating on the tuna, and the mirror polish of the Landmaster looks just like stainless. I like that grey, matte style, too...on my 7C43-6A00 or SBCN005. It looks and feels rugged and industrial...like the raw surface of a Soviet era battle tank...which is kind of appropriate, as they are 80's and 90's Seiko's. I think it's a very versatile metal, that is presented in at least as many ways as stainless steel.
I have bought a few timepieces myself over the last couple of years - that has to be the understatement if the centuary
Now I only see the Y-fronts :D. Great video as always!
I already have a couple of Titanium watches which I am happy with. great review as normal.
When I dive I use a Promaster as a backup. I've always opted for Ti when the watch is as bulky such as my "real divers". Where the watch is slimmer, I have no complaints or issues with steel or bronze. Also consider that Citizen watches are the Toyota Corolla of the watch world. Plain, often dull. But it does it's job without fuss for decades.
I have the blue variant and I wear it frequently!
I am contemplating taking up engraving, I have seen some nice engraved watch bracelets so I guess I would go for steel.
Sound level... Hi Jodi, nice review, but for some reason the volume was much lower than usual on my laptop at least, has anything changed on your recording setup?
I have a couple of titanium, an eco drive and a Mysterious Code titanium sterile dial. I like a lighter watch.
All my watches are stainless, king turtle, Seiko 5, srp715, Helm. I would love one of these Ti watches.
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I own the NY0086 Pepsi on bracelet. Mine has the 8204 movement which hacks . I love this watch. I also own the Seiko SKX009 and it’s a coin toss on which I like better.
Y fronts on the dial......Oh great thanks for that...Now it's all I see lol. Good to find an aussie watch YT chan. Recently got back into watches and I must admit it took a bit to get used to the weight of some of the steel watches I have so far with some like my seiko padi over 190 grams felt way too much at first. Got used to it now but I want to find some titanium watches next.
I think Citizen are massively underrated. I love these Promasters. Well done Paul from WA!! Y fronts! 🤣🤣
Jody, 10/10 for the shirt buds
Another GREAT review.
I just prefer the colour, finishing and weight of steel. But I do see where it could be beneficial on some watches.
To be honest , I love it it ,looks more robust than a standard diver but without looking like a tank
I love Titanium watches depending on who makes them. Zelos are releasing some HH3 watches in Titanium soon, would be great to see you review one of those. Having a couple of Phoibos, Signum, Zelos and Helm, big fan of them they're barely noticeable when wearing.
Citizen Eco-Drive Promaster Diver Quartz Men's Watch, Super Titanium, Two-Tone (Model: BN0200-56E)
I prefer this one as it's an Eco-Drive, and I like the look of it as well. Just a Mineral crystal, and I'm not sure about the lume... Haven't got my hands on it yet.
Good morning from South Africa. I have one Titanium watch. The others are Stainless steel. Mostly Titanium is an incredible material. But in some watches it makes it too light.
The Promaster super titanium automatic NB6004-83E is half price in the UK at the moment at £495.
A good fit is more important than weight for me - up to a sensible max of about 180 grams. Too light can also feel a bit flimsy - even though titanium is strong.
Fit / size is everything.
Interesting point mate!
I love titanium, I love the name, I love the colour, I love the feel! You can never have too much of it!
€400 is my 'mineral' limit here in Ireland, given that's how much I spent on a Seiko 5KX GMT this month, and that was really just because I had to have it.
I love Citizen, and my Eco-Drive Promaster Diver gets so much wear, but titanium isn't enough to command the retail they expect on the watch in your video. Orient completely changed the game with the Kamasu. Yes it's not ISO-rated, yes the crown is finicky, but the sapphire crystal makes it.
It has the same bezel design as the BN0150 and 51. I have the 51 and have some trouble turning the bezel. So until they design a different bezel, any/all of the Promasters are a pass for me. Good to see Citizen using Ti though.
I got the Helm Kuraburi and Vanuatu in titanium and judging from the size of these chunkers , the steel versions would north of 200 grams. In this case , im glad I waited for the lighter titanium versions.
My favorite citizen diver is the Citizen Orca. Not too big a fan of the tidy-whitey 12 index Citizens, though! And I'd rather have an eco-drive than a miyota 8204. Special mention to the JP-2000 as well.
Also, these aren't much cheaper than you can get the excellent Citizen "Fujitsubo", which has sapphire and a 9015. And frankly I prefer the looks too.
To be fair Citizen makes titanium watches for more than 20 yrs now if there's a manufacturer I'd be confident buying a titanium watch from it's Citizen for sure.
If you can enjoy different styles of watches, then why not the same with materials. It's the luxury of owning a collection of a wide range of watches, which includes a blend of materials. Great video, and thanks for sharing.
I have quite a big collection, including a few Seiko , and other 'big swiss brands' By far the best watches are Citizen particularly Eco drive titanium chronograph. Value, robust, comfort....no brand can touch them.