Improving the Bucket Cyclone (WnW #91)
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- Опубликовано: 24 фев 2017
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Approximately a year ago I built a small cyclone out of two buckets and some other shop scraps, and paired it with a trash-picked shop vac. The result was a very good cyclone, but the suction was always a bit lacklustre.
A number of people told me that I needed to make a larger inlet into the cyclone and in this project I decided to do just that, along with a few other minor improvements.
I’m still doing this cheap - I only spent about $5 for a small roll of foam weatherstripping to help seal up the joints.
Unfortunately, I don’t have any hard numbers to share with you. I think it was a big improvement, but that is my subjective judgement. But anyway I still had fun in the shop.
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I use a similar vac here in UK for my metal workshop - and everything else in the home... it's a wet/dry suck/blow unit, with a cloth bag filter, and an option for a filter like yours. When either filter gets clogged I just take it outside and brush it with a sweeping brush, then put it on the "out" side of the vacuum cleaner and reverse-flow the filter (blow it through). It works for me.
I like your cyclone system, I'm going to do something similar soon. Thank you.
Les in UK
Nice job on the separator. I really like the upside down bucket idea on top - I think that I'll use that! I've been looking at a lot of these dust separator vids, and you're the only guy where I've seen that. I'm not an inventor, but I think that I'll make mine different than any I've seen yet by combining one idea that I got here, one there, and one someplace else, etc. What I am leaning to making at this point is using a 20 gallon metal trash can with a double thick plywood lid with the bottom piece of ply fitting snugly inside of the drum and the top piece sitting over the rim, like a plug - weather stripping, gasket, etc. Then I think I'll cut a hole in the middle to fit and clamp on the separator in an upside-down bucket, just as you made it here. My shop vac is short, a Rigid tug-a-long, I haven't decided yet if I want to build a short cart where the vac goes in a compartment at the bottom, and the trash can above, or just put the trash can on a dolly and pull two things around. I wouldn't have to pull very far, my shop isn't that big, but I could save floor space by stacking too. I know that I want the separator on top since that's where the hose goes in, and I want the vac to easily be taken out, to take other places alone. I'll work it out as I build it.
As for your obsolete filter, there are a few things you can do to make it reusable and better (not as good as new, but a lot better than just putting it back on as it was). Put on a dust mask and take it outside and blow it out from the inside out with an air compressor. That'll get most of it out. If you want to get some more dirt out of it after that, go around it on the outside working a whisk broom through the pleats then blowing it out again from the inside. You should see more dust blowing out at first, but after a few more brushings and blowing, you won't - or repeat till you can't. The cleaner that filter is, the harder your vacuum will suck. If you want it even cleaner, the next tip works by far on most filters, but not all, depending on the paper or material they are made of. Most can get wet - a few can't. After you're got all you can out of it dry, dunk it in warm soapy water and go through the pleats with a soft brush like a paint brush, and rinse it well with a garden hose without any nozzles, easy pressure, from the inside out, then let it get completely dry before you use it. Once you have it as clean as you can get it, you can either buy, or make clothe prefilters that go over it and are secured by a big rubber band. Like a big coffee filter. These don't have the surface area of the pleats, but are either cheap (blue paper shop towels are better than nothing), or clothe can be washed in the washing machine. Just watch how it us acting, if it's to tight of weave, it'll overwork the motor like a dirty filter does, and you'll have less suction, if it's too loose, it won't filter much (but you'll have the filter you cleaned up behind it). Usually, I just blow them out and use them again for a while, not so much because I'm that cheap ( Well I am, but also) because I live in the boonies and it's well over 100 miles before I come to a town big enough to have Lowes, Home Depot, Wal-mart, or anything like that, and I was doing this years before there was internet shopping, not just to shop vacs, but Kirbies, Hoovers, and any others with filters or bags - of course the manufacturers (who sell bags and filters) advise against it.
Art you videos are always interesting and many time I get a new vision on how to do something. The transition into the bucket I will do the next time I'm out in the shop.
I have the same issue with filters on an ancient hand-me-down Craftsman shop vac I use for my dust collection system. I just take it outside the shop and knock as much dust off as I can every few months and it continues to work great.
Love it!! You don't have to always buy things! Great use of recycling!
Good job Art! "As always", informative, interesting, entertaining.
Thanks, Rennie! Still having fun with it!
Maybe one thing to get is a bag for the shop vac. That will save the filter from getting clogged with dust and also aid in filtration.
I had the same issue with mine. left the filter off. on the exhaust I just used pvc to a box with a furnace filter on one or two sides for final filtering. 2 20x20 filters will give you all the filtering that vac puts out.
Great video. I have several shopvacs that I purchased from the local flea market all for under $10. Almost all my tools come from market or estate sales and I have never pay more than half their value.
Nice! Enjoyable video too. Gonna check out your other videos.
Good job Art. For some reason, in the US at least, shop vacs always go on sale for Fathers Day. Last year I got mine for $49. at Lowes. Happy Fathers Day!!!
nice job man congratulation
May I suggest: In recent years the two major big box home centers have offered complete shop vacuum kits for the competitive price of $39.95. This sale is for Black Friday only and offers the full size models. Worth the wait and a great gift for woodworking friends for the holidays. Pierre De Munguia (Stressless Solar).
Thanks, Pierre!
I have the same Craftsmen shop vac. I called customer service and a new last year. So you can still get a filter. I even bought one off Amazon which was the wrong one.
Another good one Art, I'm sure you will get lots of use out of that!
thanks, Stu!
You could add a vac bag for wetvacs. Any home center will have them. It will help to keep the motor from staving from air flow.
These things perform amazing. Similar results using the dust deputy through hundreds of gallons of dust for me
That's great work out there....Almost free..... Radical improvement....But as for the shop vac filter, why searching for another ,non available, one while you can simply clean the one you already have.... Just use compressed air and/or clean with water.
Art, I use a similar setup in my shop. Would I like a full blown DC System? Hell yes! Do I have room for it? Hell no! lol So I make do with two small cyclone systems much like yours. One is for my bench top jointer & planer bench, the other is for the table saw and everything/anything else. Thanks for showing that you don't need a big super-duper brand X full blown DC system that costs more than many shops can afford!
thank-you!
Pink glue gun is priceless :)
I think it is more of a salmon colour... ;-)
I know i'm late on this video, but you should really upgrade the hose you actually use for sucking up the waste. That small diameter hose really constricts airflow as well as preventing you from sucking up larger items (like at the end of the video where you had to pick up a couple of things off the floor while vacuuming). You should use the same size hose you use from your vac into the cyclone. I literally just switched to that size last week and it was one of the best purchases I could've made for dust collection. Large hand plane shavings used to clog up my 1.25" hose, but the new 2.5" hose just sucks them right up. It's amazing.
Yeah, I've heard that, thanks!
You can clean the shop vac filter with a garden hose outside and then let it dry in the sun.
Those filters are paper you can't get them wet
This video is a real sucker! Did you get my pun?
It looks like the filter could use a good cleaning ? otherwise it looks good.
You can find crasfman filters on amazon
I looked and I guess none sells them anymore
could u hook it up to the other shop vac
Sure.. but that vac is so big this would make it enormous. but it's an option!
Thanks for watching
Why did you not clean out the old filter with compressed air
Because it was already starting to tear
I have the same vac, just a larger size. I bought that exact filter at Sears last weekend. It's the grey stripe filter. Sears is the only place I could find it.
www.sears.com/craftsman-cartridge-filter/p-00917884000P?plpSellerId=Sears&prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2