Gaming Slang is Fundamentally Broken
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Are we messing ourselves up with the language we use? (the answer is yes)
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I think your previous video had a good example of how certain terms twist the conversation. In SC2 the "REAL GAME" revolves around decision making and also hard technical execution with the keyboard and mouse. HOWEVER, (and this a response to your previous video) it is still perfectly valid to ask for alternative real time strategy games that don't rely on technical execution in the same amount. By reducing the demand of technical execution to the minimal levels you be forced because of the very nature of a real time genre, you inherently increase the role that decision making and all other factors have. You then get a game with a unique nature that measures a unique combination of skills, that's still very different from chess, and cannot be replaced by chess. Also damn props for all the After Effects efforts...
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Metaphors are kind of bad. If you don't have hard examples. And you have to remove possibility to interpret them out off context. Some times in school i played mind games. Some my teacher bad metaphors. Trying to interpret them out off context. Because they were badly worded.
Communicating, the ever present struggle.
I am quite sure that no matter how an article is written, I'd never be for increased policing instead of systematic changes to fight poverty. BUT... it's wild to imagine I might be saying the exact opposite if I'd been introduced to different language ten years ago or whatever, whenever I formed this strong opinion.
I really like the 'morality' section. Somewhat related, I've noticed a trend where people who dislike a game will try and replace their opinion "I don't like this" with arguments that make it appear as though their opinion is fact. "this game is simple/easy/for noobs" means I'm actually correct to dislike it! which, of course, is impossible since we're talking about something subjective.
Really cool video, I like all your stuff.
edit - omg a d2 reference to close, yes.
Firstly, thanks for the watch, happy you liked it.
Funny you had that observation about "converting" subjective dislikes to objective faults, it's a thought that's struck me as well!
Awesome video!
This kind of extends to the rest of the gaming 'community' as well and I genuinely believe it is there to protect the ego of players who are less willing to 'just play a top tier'. It's so much easier to deflect your own shortcomings by using those terms.
Cheap and gimmicky is easier to say than "I didn't put in the time to study this character so I get hit by setups that are not standard in this game"
Broken character is easier to say than "I feel like I lost because the player I played against understood how to win better than I did" and gives the player a pass not to fully try because their ego won't get hurt if they lose, since they already have a ready excuse. And really in 99% of the cases it is an excuse in any type of a game. If Daigo played that matchup would he win vs the player you played against? If Faker played that game, would he find ways to create leads on the map to negate the bad 1v1 your character has against the enemy (this is a League analogy)? If the answer is yes the question you should ask yourself is "how do I play better against this" and that is hard.
And honestly, the more mainstream gaming becomes the more, the more that sort of language will be used because it instantly appeals to a lot of people. The GREAT thing about FGC is that it's figureheads are generally very against the 'scrub' mindset, and they are the ones who shape the perspective of new players, so as long as the FGC doesn't get it's share of "OMG BROKEN COMBO 420 DMG/S MY CAT DIED FROM THIS COMBO" and instead get's more Core-A gaming, Leon Massey and channels like this, I feel gonna be in a much healthier place than many other games.
We will see how this will turn once the Riot game releases and causes a massive player surge in the community!
I suppose I agree with most of this, but I would hope it isn't an inevitable result.
Perhaps the war is already lost, but we can always try to be better, and expect better from people.
I agree, whining instead of being constructive is toxic, but I’d offer that there is also a rampant toxicity in the FGC of dismissing complaints altogether, aka “git gud”. Sometimes a character/mechanic/move/etc. *is* unfair, or otherwise detrimental to the experience of a game, and gaslighting people by saying they suck or just need to lab can be equally as toxic.
Edit: for example I’d argue there is an overabundance of “cheap gimmicks” in Tekken 7. Launching armored moves, chain throws, fullscreen flyingBS, parries, Marduk’s tackle, Alisa’s chainsaw stance, Ling’s AoP, Feng’s Kenpo, etc. etc. As a new player, having to contend with so many character-specific gimmicks on top of learning their strings on top of learning the fundamentals is overwhelming. Tekken would probably be a better experience overall without so many gimmicks, but if you raise the issue in forums, expect to be dismissed as a scrub.
But some characters are actually broken like justice in guilty gear+r because I (as a venom player) have no options against his wall of his explosive projectiles (at least as far as I remember playing against him sense I didn't play this game a long time ago for technical reasons)
Found this bc Arya liked your tweet, and I loved this. Definitely subscribing and gonna binge your channel for a bit
As for the vid itself, as a community it feels way too easy to get swept into using the hyperboles and metaphors to describe characters or strategies. An obvious example to me is when playstyles get called unga bunga or gorilla. Speaking as someone who loves rushdown and refers to himself as an unga bunga player, it can still feel... like a win I got isn't one I earned. And that language, especially gimmick or cheap, do become very derogatory.
Same with calling strats/characters cancerous. Something like that, first off, is just... wrong. But also as you said, makes it sound almost unwinnable against. It paints things too black and white, too binary, and it really just kills trying to come up with counterstrats or anything of the sort.
Thanks for the kind words, enjoy the steep and rapid decline in quality as you binge!
The quality of your editing and presentation is amazing.
okay I am really falling in love with your content just have a really good way of speaking these are definitely some of the best made videos on fighting games out there thank you
That is some high praise! Thanks for watching.
my absolute least favorite one of these is definently "uninteractive" its used with such extreme hyperbole and encourages so many people to completely give up developing any counterplay to anything
I haven’t seen it used much though. Apart from season 1 happy chaos though.
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Excellent points here.
I can tell you did good research to communicate this important message. If you’re still interested in language, its use and meaning, I strongly recommend A Brief Introduction to Analytic Philosophy: From Russell to Rawls (2012).
It covers lots of the themes you touched on here and more, by the most brilliant people in those areas in our history so far.
I shall add it to my reading list, thanks for the tip (and the kind words).
@@HQRubbish Sure thing. I appreciate your sharing the precise info (on this and your subsequent videos, especially the First Aid series) not watered down like it usually is on the videos from channels with more subscribers.
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I really like this video, I wish we can rollback the terms a bit. Sometimes a term is created to make something long and complex into short and easy...but when everything is broken, what's not?
I personally use and think of busted to mean strong in a kinda goofy way. I know that this isn't the norm but I find that instead of giving off "don't use that it's stronger than it should be" it more says "you should use that more it's funny that it's making you win"
honest and simple can be called the same thing.
but to someone whos playing a simple character, calling the character they play honest vs simple sounds less mean.
dishonest can be simple to complex but can also mean that they have gimmick.
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"honest" still remains one of my favorite terms, because so many people intuitively know it's bullshit. When you pick up Melty Blood and someone tells you that Roa is "an honest mids dispenser," you know that you're about to witness some war crimes
Listen, no one has *ever* gotten upset playing against Honest Mids Michael™. Couldn't even happen. 😎
The funny thing is I like the term if people would use it right. It should be for characters that absolutely suck at mixing you up.
Example; Terry Bogard is a very honest character. His only overheads are from jumps and his lows aren’t remarkable. He does not have a command grab. His cross up is unremarkable and inconsistent. You can block him consistently by remembering to stand block when his feet leave the ground. He’s an honest character because his intentions are always obvious and he makes no attempts to deceive you or trick you.
Iori would be the opposite of this and I would say he’s a mix up machine instead of using dishonest because it’s just clearer and doesn’t need an explanation of what honest is; he has a good overhead and a command grab and good lows and a dedicated cross up attack. You can never really gauge what he will do. He simply has so many options to mix up that the schmix is very hard to gauge at a glance.
If people used honest like that it’d be sooo easy for people to learn how to counter characters with good neutral.
dude, this is the kind of content I crave for. just a not: you also have to considered that the form a language has in a given histororical moment also dependes on the necessity of the speakers. Of course language is rooted in ideology but ideology, just like counciousness and language itself, is also highly moldable. This two atributes atributes of language are in contradictions and the dynamism of this relations is what determinas the form of that language. In conclusion, what i was traying to say is that indeed language used in the FGC is very limited but it is so only because the comprehension of the FGC of fighting games is still in its early days.
(sorry for the messy writing: english isn't my native language)
Halfway through the video, and I wanna throw my hat into the "top-tier" vs. "broken" ring.
From the way I've heard discussions use these words, it often boils down to "top-tier" being the "right" choice, while "broken" is something you should be ashamed of using. Even though these words ultimately mean the same thing, the response they garner widely varies, often on the negative side.
It's usually applied like this but to me the difference is that a top tier is usually fairly stronger than avarge
While an overpowered character is usually so much better for the rest that It makes the other choices useless or redundant
kind of like the difference between low tier and trash tier characters and no one is complaining about calling a character trash tier
Although people use overpowered and broken interchangeably, I think to be broken is basically make the mechanics of the game not function
For example, a character that can do tod combos from every hit is broken because it takes the enemies controls away (although in this example if everyone can do it that it might as well be the game)
I'm not lazy. I'll do more tomorrow. :)
Also I fucking hate the word honest in the FGC with a burning passion lol
One of us! One of us! One of us!
But King in Tekken is a totally honest character!
The thing is most big content creators show one side of a character. "This character is broken in this aspect", what about the drawbacks? What about the learning curve? This creates an attitude of majority of the player base asking for "buffs" so they match the power of the said character. This ends up in everyone being "broken" in a way or another. It is super unhealthy for a fighting game. It is like everyone wants the same "high reward low to zero risk" characters.
Dope as usual
I strongly agree. Also, the FGC needs to stop using derogatory ableist language as well, which I feel is a symptom of the kind of lingo you described taken to it's logical, shitty extreme. It not only becomes something people use to make insult abled players and make them doubt their physical and/or mental abilities, but even more importantly, it creates an atmosphere where disabled players aren't welcomed. It's toxic and hope we can do better as a community.
I definitely agree, though I feel that is a broader societal issue and not necessarily rooted in the FGC. But we can always do better!
Can you please give me an example of the "derogatory ableist language" in the fgc?
I can't make anything of that claim sense I can't really recall any common ableist phrases in the fgc
And sense I don't really got anything to go on I will stay on the side of defending my hobby
Also the "be better as a community" is a shitty sense you can't expect anyone to police everyone with the same hobby and dumping the collective guilt at someone innocent is just going to turn him against you and your message
Neuch sometimes definitely isnt poggers 😔
We deserve the nooch we create.
У людей вообще все туго с точной формулировкой мыслей. Привет.
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Вот это поворот, не говори мне что ты говоришь на русском.
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@@AliveStenka Это же друган Токо.
@@ВьюлигИррат а я уже решил это сам Токо юзает адвансед фильтры. Офигеть
This reminds me of a particularly grievous example of "gamer's lingo" nonsensically applied. I came across a random (and dumb af) RUclipsr who typed the following comment:
"Angel (the Tekken character) *looked sick.* "
I remarked upon it, in response to the idiot who emitted the comment, at first in good manner, genuinely attributing it to a "misunderstanding": "Okay, you really meant to say "Angel looked cool", because "sick" actually means "ill", as in afflicted by an illness, not looking healthy, etc. If you say that a person "looks sick", in essence you're saying this person is *NOT LOOKING GOOD* , that he/she needs medical attention or something". I still can't believe that my response to this guy was widely panned and criticized by my supposed "bad usage" of the term "sick", not only by him, but also by other idiotic youtubers who came to his defense.
God Bless your fucking heart... holy shit lol.
Idk how old you are but in the 90's the term badass meaning cool was shortened to just bad. So someone could say "Angel looks bad!" Which meant she looks cool. Sometimes I or my friends had to ask each other "wait bad as in badass or bad as in bad?" I also use sick to mean cool as well. 🤣
got a like just for the Necro quote at the end XD