If your interested in buying a 45-70 and reloading for it, don't bother reloading the hornady ftx brass, the brass is softer than starline cases and i had a hard time getting the bullets crimp securely in the hornady cases.
I have not found any starline brass other than in loaded ammo since the (D)eceiver was installed in 2020 "election", both of those rifles pale in comparison to the winchester 1886.
Also i found that hornady cut the brass like 70 thou shorter than trim length on the 325 grn ftx loads. Just an observation. Haven't loaded them yet. Will most likely get something else for brass. The 325 loads do shoot well from my henry all weather and my marlin cowboy
Sights do not make anytbing a 400 yard gun. Hitting shit at 400 yards makes a 400 yard gun. Id pay $1000 to see anybody hit vitals at 400 yards shooting offhand with iron sights. Not benchrest with gun holder.
@@MTLeadSlanger sure aiming 16 feet high above the target. Zero is at 200 yards and skilled shots are shooting accurately at 300 yards. At 1000 yards it's lost half its speed. It's easier to shoot out at 1000 yards with alot of other rifles. Sure its possible but this people do this all the time back in the day. There's a difference between theoretically possible and not a problem. Selecting this round for that range is picking the wrong tool for the job.
I prefer the Marlin but to be fair now you can get the Ruger made Marlin in blued steel and wood stocks so visually the guns would be more equal. I own Marlin and Henry lever guns and both are great.
I find this a comparison of "that" Henry and "that" Marlin. Marlin makes a rifle that would compare more closely to that Henry ( the 1895). I think the Henry sights sticks out like a sore thumb.
I really like the new Marlins. That SBL model is what I want, I like the henry rifles, but there's just something about that marlin that is calling my name!!
Correct ammundo! However, Having sold both, I have to give the Ruger built Marlins a very slight edge. Not enough to justify the price difference though.
@mrgunsnbeer5349 I'd give Henry the edge. Henry hasn't lost any quality throughout the years. Marlin most definitely has. Now that ruger owns Marlin, I honestly thought they were going with the same safety as Henry and the ruger revolvers. Nope but apparently the quality went up along with price and kept that stupid safety bar.
To be fair, I am also in firearms sales and as much as it pains me to admit it, the Ruger Marlins might be a bit smoother than a Henry. I still think the Henry is a consistantly better rifle.
I must just have bad luck I guess. I’ve had two Henry 30-30 levers and one went back for feed jams on Win 170 gr of all things!!! I am very handy and could not tinker the problem away. The other rifle was very gritty on the front stroke. Upon internal inspection there were burs that should not be there. A fine stone took care of it. Both rifles gone now. The gun shop clerk (a friend) said that Henry QC is iffy sometimes. They are the American equivalent of Taurus in my opinion. You may get a good one, you may not. Good thing their warranty is so good because like Taurus, you may need it. I’m done with them. Never had a problem with my old Marlins. Lesson learned. Never owned a new Ruger/Marlin but I have had range time with a couple and they are extraordinarily nice rifles but with a tough price tag. My older Marlins will just have to continue to feed my “lever love” and I’m not complaining. They are great rifles which are not going anywhere…but the deer/hog stand.
The pre-Ruger Marlins were mostly junk. Ill-fitted barrels, loose sights, rough actions, feeding issues, and some were extremely hard to fully load. Ruger fixed all that, and more.
That is not a composite stock on the Marlin that is a laminated wood stock. I think some people may be confused when you said twice that it was a composite stock it is wood.
@@Aranck-kcnarA actually I built, custom stocks and eliminated stock is wood primarily, you can’t really count epoxy as a composite material it’s a bonding agent
@Aranck-kcnarA I've been a home builder for 30 years. Never once have I, or anyone I know called plywood " composite". Is it technically correct? Maybe. Colloquially? Nope.
Being 74 years old I picked up the Marlin 39A in 22 cal. And put a 2-7 power scope on it and with Stingers I could hit tree squirrels at 100 yards in the head all day long. The Micro groves rifling makes it unbelievably accurate. I also inherited from my Dad 25 years ago the Marlin 45-70 I had the barrel cut a bit and put the larger level action hoop . When I moved to Alaska I bought the stainless Marlin in 45-70 which I carry in my boat, patrolling the shore for Moose. I did buy my oldest Son the Henry 22 rifle for his 16th Birthday. I also inherited a Winchester in the 405 caliber that is the same rifle Winchester made for Teddy Rosevelt that he took many African animals.
Henry, winchester, and marlin all make 45-70 rifles. And they are very well made. Mine is a henry and its accurate and very smooth. I have a 1-5 leupold scope. Very easy a 200 yard bid game rifle. I like the 20" barrel. God bless awsome video😊😊
Several years ago I won a Marlin .45-70 (pre Remington) at a banquet, just after Ohio legalized straight wall cartridge rifles for deer. Needles to say, It made me a huge fan.
We do know Henry manufactures an (All Weather) version that is literally identical to the Marlin trapper. Like they said, it is all about personal preference.
Unless I’m missing a new model or something the Henry All Weather is not “literally identical” to a Marlin trapper. Barrel length is like 18.5-19” Henry vs Marlin Trapper at 16-17”. Length of pull is 13ish for Marlin and 14ish for Henry Weight is about equal at 7ish lbs Overall length is 37-38” for Henry and 34-35” for Marlin Trapper And with all that and adding in the load tube system difference and Marlin with safety and Henry without, Marlin can carry 5+1 while the Henry states only 4.
@@shane1034 I was speaking of general appearance and brand difference. Thanks for spec’ing out the two for us. The variances between the two are modest at best when considering a lever action carbine. Pew pew tactical along with many other FA websites have done reviews of the Henry and it’s been verified that 5rds can be comfortably loaded into the tube. I don’t know why Henry would underrate this feature but if the Henry has a slightly longer barrel and comparable tube magazine it would stand to reason 5 will fit. The more notable difference between the two is price$ and neither is FARRR superior to the other. Just follow the unbiased reviews…..
@@seventeen912 yeah I’ve never understood that. It’s the same for all their models. I assumed it was the shorter mag tube to be safely under and behind the muzzle and the spring system/cap to go along with that that restricted capacity. Maybe it has to do with round C.O.L. as well. Not really sure, and I assumed they don’t list +1 for insurance purposes, but with trigger bar safety I’ve gathered people deem it safe to have one in the chamber. But strange even the Henry site states to never carry one in the chamber so who knows. I own a few of both and even the newer Rossi R95 and they are all in the same ball park fit, finish and feel IMO. I’ve had no failures from any so far and I just ordered the new Ruger Marlin 336 Trapper so it will be nice to compare with the others. One last note, of all my lever guns, the Henry Big Boy Steel(44Mag) loop with the partially straight face is by far the most comfortable loop which doesn’t get talked about much
The Henry “choice” loading system is better in my opinion. And the steel receiver and color case hardened receiver of the Henry is beautiful. I also like the 22 inch barrel length. And the transfer bar safety is great.
Yeah, but most Henry’s available in gun shops, don’t have the loading gate. That said, I would never choose to load in the tube near the muzzle. It’s a dumb, horrible design choice to begin with. Having to put your hand up near there most dangerous part of a gun, to reload.
@@JoannaJedrzejczyksForehead you don’t have to load it from the tube with the side charging port on the receiver. But you can tip it forward after pulling out the tube and all the cartridges fall out. So wait and get a Henry with both a charging gate and brass tube load/ unload ability.
As you said in the video it's a matter of preference, and in my opinion I believe that I will stick with the Henry. I have the Henry 22 and the Henry big boy 357 and now after seeing this video I believe that I just might invest in the Henry 45/70 to add to my collection. As for you Marlin fans, I'm not taking nothing away from the Marlin, I just love the Henry rifle
Best comparison video I’ve seen of the two. Obsessing for one for months and been to look like 5 times so far. Only point I would add is the Marlin is 5+1 and the Henry is 4+1. A charging bear x nerves one more may save your life!
The one round difference is directly in regards to the barrel length. The longer barreled Henry's can load that extra round. Keep in mind the magazine under the barrel dictates the maximum number of rounds the rifle can handle.
I like both of the modern versions of the Henrys with loading gates and Ruger manufactured Marlins. I have a chambering in each brand and will probably get others. Some models of both brands have threaded barrels, and I like that feature on them as well.
I have the Malin with a Leupold pig-plex scope on it. I love it! Super accurate with the 325 lever evolution it is ver deadly! I also have the Henry golden bot 45-70 but have not shot that one yet it is brand new in the box.
My dad bought a Marlin Guide gun in .45-70 and went through all the ‘rigamarole’ with mounting a red dot on it and we took it to his river camp to site it in about 4 years ago. He took one shot then unloaded it and boxed it backup. I asked if it was sited in and he said it was sited in enough. Later when I pushed him on it he said that nothing in their neck’a da woods needed that much killing. He was 85 yo at the time and this is a guy who bought ~ 3 .357 and ~ 3 .44 Mag revolvers/year. He started getting into reloading ~ same time (mid to late ‘60s) and that’s what I grew up listening to as we lived on a large spread on a newly developed lake. I bought a new Henry Golden Boy lever in .45-70 which came stock with ladder sites and I elected to stick with the ladder sites for plinking (yes, I said I plink with .45-70). The exaggerated crescent butt plate doesn’t leave much room for a soft rubber butt plate but that’s OK. On the rifle team 45-50 years ago I used a steel butt hook for kneeling and standing positions (HS and collegiate) but that was with .22LR.
@@Tomles86 It has. .45-70 has a substantial amount of recoil. His dads tale was a cautionary one of try the recoil before you commit to buying the rifle and only shoot it once.
@@thesayxx Well, the story has a finale. My dad passed away first week of August this year. My dad’s collection of firearms (300+) and knives (725+) went to my sister and I. We sold off about 600 knives and close to 80 of his gun collection thus far. The first gun I claimed was the Marlin 45/70 mentioned above. I also grabbed up 2 Marlin 30-30s from his rifle lineup along with several Ruger Blackhawks in .357 and .44 Mag. A Ruger Super RedHawk in .44 Mag and a 7” barrel with scope mounting attachments. A not much shot Vaquero in .45 Colt and a Ruger Single Six in .22 LR and a .22 WMR conversion cylinder. I have 3 sons and they’ve each had their first round of picks (no limits) and we hope to finish divvying them up to a degree at Thanksgiving. I did throw down on another Henry 45-70 X package.
I run the marlin 45-70 cowboy action carbine it’s light fast especially out of the scabbard when I’m on my horse mainly for grizzly Defense very slim lightweight version with octagon barrel warning it does kick hard With the hard cast bear loads and no recoil pad
I have the cowboy as well. A jm from when marlin was still marlin. I love it but you are right. I shoot hot stuff in it and it beats my ass a little lol
I have a small lever gun collection. Love them. I have a marlin 1895G with factory ported barrel. Has been a fantastic close quarter white tail Pennsylvania brush gun
You should have Cade Colburn on your channel more. Maybe collaborate a bunch of projects together. Something about him, hes good on the camera and can tell he has a ton of knowledge
Do either one of these guys know how to put the hammer on the Marlin in the half cock position? It looks like they’re both lowering the hammer onto the firing pin but maybe it’s just the camera angle.
Marlin is without a doubt a stronger built rifle. My Henry "shot loose" the dovetail with too many heavy loads. Even bent the peg that holds the mag tube sleeve in place. Marlin no issues, even after I had it bored and worked up to 50 Alaskan. Not even close...
@TrapperScottyAlaskan 540gr hardcast 1885fps. Over 4,000 lb/ft energy. Buffalo Bore sells commercially. I load my own. That round from an 18 inch Marlin is a show stopper.
My brother and I both have a Henry and a Marlin Henry is great great looking but in the field we both like the MARLIN BETTER.👍ours have the 24inh,barrels
Marlin has a wood stock it's laminated. Just like a Boyds stock, looks better, stronger, and is more.weather resistant than the traditional walnut stocks.
Nice comparison, you can always slick up that action if you know what you're doing, it's not difficult. Check for a sharp edge on the lever where it feeds the cartridge. I purchased a new Marlin 1894, JM stamped, CBC, cowboy competition in .45 colt. It locked up on the first round due to a sharp edge, I used a 1000 grit stone to put a 1/64 radius on the lever and solved the issue, it's a really slick action now.
For those that don't feel they can do as you did, just rub on some lapping compound to all the working parts in the action with a q-tip and work the action while sitting around watching t.v. or whatever. Spray it out with a cleaner and lube it, it helps a lot and anybody can do it.
My only experience with this cartridge is through a friend's Thompson single shot pistol with optic. It's insane. I've always been interested in getting a lever gun chambered in .45-70. I have owned several Marlins (all older) and have a favorable opinion of the company.
Looking at the video ,you are both finding the target faster with the peep site on the marlin. I do have and like the Henry-45-70 a bit better wood stock every time.
Because I couldn't afford the Marlin, I bought the Henry Friday. Colburn was very nice about the Henry; of course, the Marlin costs more, so no surprise the action is better. My 45-70 is also a carbine. I know it is fanfare, but imagine Henry and Marlin collaborating on a rifle! If you are laying a tarp, you don't need to pick up your brass.
I think you boys have both overlooked the main differeence between the two. Price. The Henry is nearly half the price of a Ruger built Marlin. A huge consideration for most shooters!
Love your content. I’ve owned the Henry, Marlin and browning lever 45/70’s all with 18-20 barrel length. As far as ergonomics and esthetics I like the Marlin.. But when it comes to Max/ +P loads.. The design of the Browning bolt, action rail and chamber lug lock up fitment and density is far more stable and solid than the Marlin and Henry designs. While there is nothing wrong with marlins design for standard operation loads or even “standard” + P loads… Hornady Leverlution and Underwood Ammo “+P heavies should be avoided. Where Browning can handle the hottest 45/70 and 450 Marlin loads with ease as the chamber is rated for 65k psi rumor has it the action was tested to 90K PSI without suffering a bolt/ chamber lockup failure.
I prefer the colors on the furniture and case hardening of the Henry, but the 'chunky' look to the Marlin is just cooler to me. Combine the two and I'll buy one :)
I have a Henry 45 Colt, its got me wanting more lever rifles. Looking at the Marlins in 30-30, an 45-70. Can’t decide on the SS or the walnut wood an blue. Maybe one of each ?
I bought that Marlin over the Henry in 30-30 Just as Marlin (Remington) went out of business. I still have the gun in the original box with the warranty card and nowhere to send it to. And yes I had problems with it. The walnut stock warped and cracked as it was not aged properly aged. But, over time it has come back to straight, more or less. I've never shot it.
Obviously some people do not know the difference. Performance wise the laminate is better. Stronger and less prone to change. Walnut is very nice and more traditional but not superior.
Glad to hear Ruger has improved the action. My Marlin action feels like it's full of sand and no amount of polishing seems to help much. Been looking at buying a Henry but may have to re-visit the Marlin. Well right up till you said safety. Don't get the safety on a lever gun. Seem sacrilegious.
A safety delete is made and doesn't cost much. Like you said, doesn't seem right to have a cross-bolt safety on a lever. Snapped on a deer and a bear before remembering the safety. Racking the lever again thinking it's a bad round, Deer got away, but, still had time for the bear.
I just got the big boy brass side gate in 357. My fun ive ever had at the range. Definitely looking for the marlin 1894 sbl when they aren't asking 15-1600$ for em. So sick of corporate greed.
I dis agree. I had a marlin. And also a henry. I prefer the henry. My marlin was not made by ruger. And i had to send back for repair. The extractor broke. It was fixed and worked well after. But i bought a henry steel. 4570. And it was way smoother . I traded the marlin . Now i think that ruger is making them. They are very good. 🎉 but for me Henry or winchester😊
That sucks you had to have your marlin repaired. My marlin cowboy is a 'jm' before marlin sold out to remington/freedom group. Have had no trouble.....knock on wood... also have a henry all weather side gate that shoots great too
@steverobbins8661 my marlin was a Remington made. And after getting repaired it worked OK. But I had bought a henry steel 4570. . The action was smoother and better accuracy. . I sold the marlin. I asked how he liked it. And he was very satisfied with it. . So both the marlin and henry I have owned were fine. The old marlins were unbeatable. Remington built ones were sad. Now ruger is building them. They will be great. The only revolvers I will buy are rugers. . I own 3 ruger super Blackhawk revolvers. And a ruger security 6. . Built like a Sherman tank and smooth and accurate. . God bless
My biggest complaint about lever actions is the buckhorn sight - I hate them. But I like how most of the new guns allow you to easily swap them out for a peep or ghost ring.
The 18" Marlin be a great all weather Grizzly back up gun...! As far as actions the Henry may be tighter tolerances that will wear in tight whereas the Marlin may get a tad sloppy if not tight when new...!
If Marlin made this in case hardened with Walnut wood stock, I would be down with it over the Henery. Not taking anything away from the Henery, but I like the shorter barrel for my preference also I think the loop lever is larger on the Marlin, which I like. I like the looks of the Henery better and I think Marlin needs to add a more traditional look to their line up on this gun with the case hardened steel vs their standard blued with the wood stock.
19:29 blasphemy.. LOL I think so too. But if I'm gonna put a scope on a lever gun it's gonna be a Low power scope 1-4x.... they look nice paired up on a henry steel or marlin 336...
my local wal-mart has a golden boy 45-70 henry I'm debating if I wanna add it to my collection. Good review gentlemen I currently own the marlin and I'm happy with her.
@ITW.Firearms yeah I brought it home, but had some light primer strikes on winchester super x loads. Federal hammerdown loads went fine, so I'm assuming that the winchester loads have hard primers.
From a strictly looks perspective, I'd take the Henry. I love walnut stocks and blued steel. For use as a guide gun, I prefer the Marlin. The stainless steel resists the impact of the elements better, and the shorter barrel makes the Marlin a bit handier. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
Not sure I would be shooting Plus P rounds in any Lever gun. I'm sure other have mentioned that already. As Henry told me when I broke the linkage in my 1860 with hot 45 Colt rounds, which they fixed for free BTW, yes we use modern metals now, but the design is still the same.
Love my lever guns, both are nice rifles! Great shooting and review.
Thanks for watching!
Why do you feel that you need 3 safetys on your marlin?
I have a Marlin 45-70 made in 1981.I love it.
If your interested in buying a 45-70 and reloading for it, don't bother reloading the hornady ftx brass, the brass is softer than starline cases and i had a hard time getting the bullets crimp securely in the hornady cases.
Thanks, I did not know that.
There is no! substitute for Starline Brass!
All hornady cases are junk
I have not found any starline brass other than in loaded ammo since the (D)eceiver was installed in 2020 "election", both of those rifles pale in comparison to the winchester 1886.
Also i found that hornady cut the brass like 70 thou shorter than trim length on the 325 grn ftx loads. Just an observation. Haven't loaded them yet. Will most likely get something else for brass. The 325 loads do shoot well from my henry all weather and my marlin cowboy
Really enjoyed the video. I love the levers.
Cheers, fellas
Our pleasure!
Good video!.. Your comparison leaves me in admiration of the Marlin! Maybe less traditional but it is 2024 and lever guns are still 💯Traditional
I own a 1886 Browning 45/70 saddle ring carbine that holds 8 rounds. Vernier sights make it a 400 yard gun. Made in Belgium.
Now you're talking!
45/70 400 yards I don't believe it.
Sights do not make anytbing a 400 yard gun. Hitting shit at 400 yards makes a 400 yard gun. Id pay $1000 to see anybody hit vitals at 400 yards shooting offhand with iron sights. Not benchrest with gun holder.
@@racerx6384Really? You know people shoot black powder 45-70 at 1000 yards all the time right?
@@MTLeadSlanger sure aiming 16 feet high above the target. Zero is at 200 yards and skilled shots are shooting accurately at 300 yards. At 1000 yards it's lost half its speed. It's easier to shoot out at 1000 yards with alot of other rifles. Sure its possible but this people do this all the time back in the day. There's a difference between theoretically possible and not a problem. Selecting this round for that range is picking the wrong tool for the job.
I prefer the Marlin but to be fair now you can get the Ruger made Marlin in blued steel and wood stocks so visually the guns would be more equal. I own Marlin and Henry lever guns and both are great.
I find this a comparison of "that" Henry and "that" Marlin. Marlin makes a rifle that would compare more closely to that Henry ( the 1895). I think the Henry sights sticks out like a sore thumb.
I love the 45-70, I have the Marlin Guide Gun, 45-70, synthetic and stainless. Great video.
I really like the new Marlins. That SBL model is what I want, I like the henry rifles, but there's just something about that marlin that is calling my name!!
I used to sell both of these. The Marlin pre Ruger had a very stiff action. Henry was always smooth and easy.
Correct ammundo! However, Having sold both, I have to give the Ruger built Marlins a very slight edge. Not enough to justify the price difference though.
@mrgunsnbeer5349 I'd give Henry the edge. Henry hasn't lost any quality throughout the years. Marlin most definitely has. Now that ruger owns Marlin, I honestly thought they were going with the same safety as Henry and the ruger revolvers. Nope but apparently the quality went up along with price and kept that stupid safety bar.
To be fair, I am also in firearms sales and as much as it pains me to admit it, the Ruger Marlins might be a bit smoother than a Henry. I still think the Henry is a consistantly better rifle.
I must just have bad luck I guess. I’ve had two Henry 30-30 levers and one went back for feed jams on Win 170 gr of all things!!! I am very handy and could not tinker the problem away. The other rifle was very gritty on the front stroke. Upon internal inspection there were burs that should not be there. A fine stone took care of it. Both rifles gone now. The gun shop clerk (a friend) said that Henry QC is iffy sometimes. They are the American equivalent of Taurus in my opinion. You may get a good one, you may not. Good thing their warranty is so good because like Taurus, you may need it. I’m done with them. Never had a problem with my old Marlins. Lesson learned. Never owned a new Ruger/Marlin but I have had range time with a couple and they are extraordinarily nice rifles but with a tough price tag. My older Marlins will just have to continue to feed my “lever love” and I’m not complaining. They are great rifles which are not going anywhere…but the deer/hog stand.
The pre-Ruger Marlins were mostly junk. Ill-fitted barrels, loose sights, rough actions, feeding issues, and some were extremely hard to fully load. Ruger fixed all that, and more.
That is not a composite stock on the Marlin that is a laminated wood stock. I think some people may be confused when you said twice that it was a composite stock it is wood.
@@Aranck-kcnarA actually I built, custom stocks and eliminated stock is wood primarily, you can’t really count epoxy as a composite material it’s a bonding agent
Sights are a peep sight, and a Buckhorn
Do you call plywood a composite? No. Noone does.
@Aranck-kcnarA I've been a home builder for 30 years. Never once have I, or anyone I know called plywood " composite". Is it technically correct? Maybe. Colloquially? Nope.
marlin is twice the rifle a henry is henry action sucks as does the trigger the tube magazine is a joke on a henry
Being 74 years old I picked up the Marlin 39A in 22 cal. And put a 2-7 power scope on it and with Stingers I could hit tree squirrels at 100 yards in the head all day long. The Micro groves rifling makes it unbelievably accurate. I also inherited from my Dad 25 years ago the Marlin 45-70 I had the barrel cut a bit and put the larger level action hoop . When I moved to Alaska I bought the stainless Marlin in 45-70 which I carry in my boat, patrolling the shore for Moose. I did buy my oldest Son the Henry 22 rifle for his 16th Birthday. I also inherited a Winchester in the 405 caliber that is the same rifle Winchester made for Teddy Rosevelt that he took many African animals.
Henry, winchester, and marlin all make 45-70 rifles. And they are very well made. Mine is a henry and its accurate and very smooth. I have a 1-5 leupold scope. Very easy a 200 yard bid game rifle. I like the 20" barrel. God bless awsome video😊😊
Winchester makes em in Japan and they have a stupid little tang safety on em if your into that 🤷♂️ I don’t like em
Great testing location...😍 Much more traditional than some municipal range 🙈
Several years ago I won a Marlin .45-70 (pre Remington) at a banquet, just after Ohio legalized straight wall cartridge rifles for deer. Needles to say, It made me a huge fan.
Henry is absolutely the best value. Today, that does matter !! Very well made in the USA. 😀
Totally agreed!
😂
Made in America or not at all!
Am looking at the 45-70 AR platform
3:19
We do know Henry manufactures an (All Weather) version that is literally identical to the Marlin trapper. Like they said, it is all about personal preference.
Unless I’m missing a new model or something the Henry All Weather is not “literally identical” to a Marlin trapper.
Barrel length is like 18.5-19” Henry vs Marlin Trapper at 16-17”.
Length of pull is 13ish for Marlin and 14ish for Henry
Weight is about equal at 7ish lbs
Overall length is 37-38” for Henry and 34-35” for Marlin Trapper
And with all that and adding in the load tube system difference and Marlin with safety and Henry without, Marlin can carry 5+1 while the Henry states only 4.
@@shane1034 I was speaking of general appearance and brand difference. Thanks for spec’ing out the two for us. The variances between the two are modest at best when considering a lever action carbine. Pew pew tactical along with many other FA websites have done reviews of the Henry and it’s been verified that 5rds can be comfortably loaded into the tube. I don’t know why Henry would underrate this feature but if the Henry has a slightly longer barrel and comparable tube magazine it would stand to reason 5 will fit. The more notable difference between the two is price$ and neither is FARRR superior to the other. Just follow the unbiased reviews…..
@@seventeen912 yeah I’ve never understood that. It’s the same for all their models. I assumed it was the shorter mag tube to be safely under and behind the muzzle and the spring system/cap to go along with that that restricted capacity. Maybe it has to do with round C.O.L. as well. Not really sure, and I assumed they don’t list +1 for insurance purposes, but with trigger bar safety I’ve gathered people deem it safe to have one in the chamber. But strange even the Henry site states to never carry one in the chamber so who knows.
I own a few of both and even the newer Rossi R95 and they are all in the same ball park fit, finish and feel IMO. I’ve had no failures from any so far and I just ordered the new Ruger Marlin 336 Trapper so it will be nice to compare with the others.
One last note, of all my lever guns, the Henry Big Boy Steel(44Mag) loop with the partially straight face is by far the most comfortable loop which doesn’t get talked about much
The Henry “choice” loading system is better in my opinion. And the steel receiver and color case hardened receiver of the Henry is beautiful. I also like the 22 inch barrel length. And the transfer bar safety is great.
Yeah, but most Henry’s available in gun shops, don’t have the loading gate. That said, I would never choose to load in the tube near the muzzle. It’s a dumb, horrible design choice to begin with. Having to put your hand up near there most dangerous part of a gun, to reload.
@@JoannaJedrzejczyksForehead you don’t have to load it from the tube with the side charging port on the receiver. But you can tip it forward after pulling out the tube and all the cartridges fall out. So wait and get a Henry with both a charging gate and brass tube load/ unload ability.
@jeffreylocke8808 since ruger started building the marlin .you can unload it from the gate easily.
As you said in the video it's a matter of preference, and in my opinion I believe that I will stick with the Henry. I have the Henry 22 and the Henry big boy 357 and now after seeing this video I believe that I just might invest in the Henry 45/70 to add to my collection. As for you Marlin fans, I'm not taking nothing away from the Marlin, I just love the Henry rifle
As a Gunsmith and salesman I will say that for price versus performance, Henry will win, every time. As for customer service? No one beats Henry!
Best comparison video I’ve seen of the two. Obsessing for one for months and been to look like 5 times so far. Only point I would add is the Marlin is 5+1 and the Henry is 4+1. A charging bear x nerves one more may save your life!
Thanks for commenting! I’m glad you enjoyed. Great point about how many rds too
Marlin: SBL model is 6+1 and the Trapper is 5+1
The one round difference is directly in regards to the barrel length. The longer barreled Henry's can load that extra round. Keep in mind the magazine under the barrel dictates the maximum number of rounds the rifle can handle.
You would not need the extra round due to the speed of a charging bear.
@@denisdegamon8224
The marlin loads 5+1, Henry 4+1. Personal preference really.
They make marlin in blued long bbl and short bbl....stainless in long bbl and short bbl
I like both of the modern versions of the Henrys with loading gates and Ruger manufactured Marlins. I have a chambering in each brand and will probably get others. Some models of both brands have threaded barrels, and I like that feature on them as well.
You dont ever appreciate a Henry until your Marlin jams - Jerry Miculek
can confirm!
Great review! Thanks.
I have the Malin with a Leupold pig-plex scope on it. I love it! Super accurate with the 325 lever evolution it is ver deadly! I also have the Henry golden bot 45-70 but have not shot that one yet it is brand new in the box.
My dad bought a Marlin Guide gun in .45-70 and went through all the ‘rigamarole’ with mounting a red dot on it and we took it to his river camp to site it in about 4 years ago. He took one shot then unloaded it and boxed it backup. I asked if it was sited in and he said it was sited in enough. Later when I pushed him on it he said that nothing in their neck’a da woods needed that much killing. He was 85 yo at the time and this is a guy who bought ~ 3 .357 and ~ 3 .44 Mag revolvers/year. He started getting into reloading ~ same time (mid to late ‘60s) and that’s what I grew up listening to as we lived on a large spread on a newly developed lake. I bought a new Henry Golden Boy lever in .45-70 which came stock with ladder sites and I elected to stick with the ladder sites for plinking (yes, I said I plink with .45-70). The exaggerated crescent butt plate doesn’t leave much room for a soft rubber butt plate but that’s OK. On the rifle team 45-50 years ago I used a steel butt hook for kneeling and standing positions (HS and collegiate) but that was with .22LR.
I thought this story was going to have a point
@@Tomles86 It has. .45-70 has a substantial amount of recoil. His dads tale was a cautionary one of try the recoil before you commit to buying the rifle and only shoot it once.
@@thesayxx Well, the story has a finale. My dad passed away first week of August this year. My dad’s collection of firearms (300+) and knives (725+) went to my sister and I. We sold off about 600 knives and close to 80 of his gun collection thus far. The first gun I claimed was the Marlin 45/70 mentioned above. I also grabbed up 2 Marlin 30-30s from his rifle lineup along with several Ruger Blackhawks in .357 and .44 Mag. A Ruger Super RedHawk in .44 Mag and a 7” barrel with scope mounting attachments. A not much shot Vaquero in .45 Colt and a Ruger Single Six in .22 LR and a .22 WMR conversion cylinder. I have 3 sons and they’ve each had their first round of picks (no limits) and we hope to finish divvying them up to a degree at Thanksgiving. I did throw down on another Henry 45-70 X package.
@@slypperyfoxsorry to hear about your father. Keep as many of those guns in the family as possible my man
I run the marlin 45-70 cowboy action carbine it’s light fast especially out of the scabbard when I’m on my horse mainly for grizzly Defense very slim lightweight version with octagon barrel warning it does kick hard With the hard cast bear loads and no recoil pad
What kind of ammo do you run?
Thanks for sharing
@@ITW.Firearms hsm bear loads when packing.
Winchester and federal for just shooting
@@ITW.Firearms I definitely run into my share of grizzlies here in Alaska
Anything would!
I have the cowboy as well. A jm from when marlin was still marlin. I love it but you are right. I shoot hot stuff in it and it beats my ass a little lol
I have a small lever gun collection. Love them. I have a marlin 1895G with factory ported barrel. Has been a fantastic close quarter white tail Pennsylvania brush gun
Wish I had one myself. Great video.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
You should have Cade Colburn on your channel more. Maybe collaborate a bunch of projects together. Something about him, hes good on the camera and can tell he has a ton of knowledge
Yep. Marlin has very smooth action.
I recently picked up a Rossi R95 chambered in 30-30. To see this rifle in person is stunning.
Check one out.
Cheers again
I can’t wait to get a Rossi on the channel
Do either one of these guys know how to put the hammer on the Marlin in the half cock position? It looks like they’re both lowering the hammer onto the firing pin but maybe it’s just the camera angle.
@@chipsterb4946
Henry doesn't have a half cock position, there's a transfer bar safety in place this don't need it. Not sure about the Marlin though.
Great review guys
Marlin is without a doubt a stronger built rifle. My Henry "shot loose" the dovetail with too many heavy loads. Even bent the peg that holds the mag tube sleeve in place. Marlin no issues, even after I had it bored and worked up to 50 Alaskan. Not even close...
50 Alaskan ? Tell me more
@TrapperScottyAlaskan
540gr hardcast 1885fps. Over 4,000 lb/ft energy.
Buffalo Bore sells commercially. I load my own.
That round from an 18 inch Marlin is a show stopper.
350 grain flat nose at 1900 fps kicks pretty good for a hand load.
Awesome video, I am hoping to get my first lever gun in 45-70 and I am probably going with Marlin Trapper. New Sub thank you for the video.
I have a brass Henry 45/70 and I love it. I like that Marlin as well. Is that a trapper?
Its the sbl 1895
I really like the guns, probably the marlin more but that said...
That Spam shirt homie is rocking is straight 🔥
great vid guys
Finally was able to score a Ruger made sbl. I bought some hsm "cowboy loads", is that the lowest recoil round available for target practice?
I use use raised, Leupold, shoot through 1 inch scope rings atop the lever rail. You can use Peep sight or scope with scope mounted.
I have a Marlin 30-30 and Henry 30-30 i love them both
My brother and I both have a Henry and a Marlin Henry is great great looking but in the field we both like the MARLIN BETTER.👍ours have the 24inh,barrels
I'd go with the Henry...I prefer wood stocks and blued steel
The Marlin is wood too
Marlin has a tradiational blued and wood version. Probably depends more on how much time you'll spend in wet weather as to which would be better.
Marlin has a wood stock it's laminated. Just like a Boyds stock, looks better, stronger, and is more.weather resistant than the traditional walnut stocks.
Both are awesome. Personally, the Marlin looks better, just like on my shotguns. I prefer the mag tube to run to the end of the barrel.
fun video, thanks boys. ps I run a red dot on my lever gun and i LOVE it ;)
Curious the trigger pulls
Totally forgot to examine that
Nice comparison, you can always slick up that action if you know what you're doing, it's not difficult.
Check for a sharp edge on the lever where it feeds the cartridge.
I purchased a new Marlin 1894, JM stamped, CBC, cowboy competition in .45 colt.
It locked up on the first round due to a sharp edge, I used a 1000 grit stone to put a 1/64 radius on the lever and solved the issue, it's a really slick action now.
For those that don't feel they can do as you did, just rub on some lapping compound to all the working parts in the action with a q-tip and work the action while sitting around watching t.v. or whatever.
Spray it out with a cleaner and lube it, it helps a lot and anybody can do it.
My only experience with this cartridge is through a friend's Thompson single shot pistol with optic. It's insane. I've always been interested in getting a lever gun chambered in .45-70. I have owned several Marlins (all older) and have a favorable opinion of the company.
Good to know the Marlin action can handle +P+ loads. Do you think the Henry action is as strong?
No. The Marlin is definitely better fit for +p+
Looking at the video ,you are both finding the target faster with the peep site on the marlin. I do have and like the Henry-45-70 a bit better wood stock every time.
Nice loading tip, thanks!
Try the HSM bear loads.
Because I couldn't afford the Marlin, I bought the Henry Friday. Colburn was very nice about the Henry; of course, the Marlin costs more, so no surprise the action is better. My 45-70 is also a carbine. I know it is fanfare, but imagine Henry and Marlin collaborating on a rifle! If you are laying a tarp, you don't need to pick up your brass.
I think you boys have both overlooked the main differeence between the two. Price. The Henry is nearly half the price of a Ruger built Marlin. A huge consideration for most shooters!
Definitely not. Comparable in price. Around $1200-1400 for both
@ITW.Firearms wtf henry big boy is available at Walmart sportsman's warehouse Rural king, Cabelas and bas pro for $980
And marlin runs 1400ish if you can find one
Well done.
They are both worth having.
Love your content. I’ve owned the Henry, Marlin and browning lever 45/70’s all with 18-20 barrel length. As far as ergonomics and esthetics I like the Marlin.. But when it comes to Max/ +P loads.. The design of the Browning bolt, action rail and chamber lug lock up fitment and density is far more stable and solid than the Marlin and Henry designs. While there is nothing wrong with marlins design for standard operation loads or even “standard” + P loads… Hornady Leverlution and Underwood Ammo “+P heavies should be avoided. Where Browning can handle the hottest 45/70 and 450 Marlin loads with ease as the chamber is rated for 65k psi rumor has it the action was tested to 90K PSI without suffering a bolt/ chamber lockup failure.
I prefer the colors on the furniture and case hardening of the Henry, but the 'chunky' look to the Marlin is just cooler to me. Combine the two and I'll buy one :)
Great review.
I really appreciate that! Hope all is well and glad you enjoyed
Nice video , link to the sling on the Henry ?
I love Henry but the Marlin SBL got the Henry beat because it's 6+1 more rounds is a winner to me
Loading lever actions you don’t push the cartridge through the gate until it disappears, you leave the head out and follow it with another cartridge.
Just like he said at 4:16
Love my lover action. All of them. Yes wood is best
Both are wood though
Marlin is a laminated wood.
I have a Henry 45 Colt, its got me wanting more lever rifles. Looking at the Marlins in 30-30, an 45-70. Can’t decide on the SS or the walnut wood an blue. Maybe one of each ?
Both! Thanks for sharing by the way. I definitely recommend the marlin for heavy calibers
Walnut and color cased steel.
I bought that Marlin over the Henry in 30-30 Just as Marlin (Remington) went out of business. I still have the gun in the original box with the warranty card and nowhere to send it to. And yes I had problems with it. The walnut stock warped and cracked as it was not aged properly aged. But, over time it has come back to straight, more or less. I've never shot it.
Where are you guys at? My dad lives right outside Canon City and i swear this looks like his backyard.
The Marlin is not composite it is laminate wood
Ricky from IBM
Obviously some people do not know the difference. Performance wise the laminate is better. Stronger and less prone to change. Walnut is very nice and more traditional but not superior.
Glad to hear Ruger has improved the action. My Marlin action feels like it's full of sand and no amount of polishing seems to help much. Been looking at buying a Henry but may have to re-visit the Marlin. Well right up till you said safety. Don't get the safety on a lever gun. Seem sacrilegious.
A safety delete is made and doesn't cost much. Like you said, doesn't seem right to have a cross-bolt safety on a lever. Snapped on a deer and a bear before remembering the safety. Racking the lever again thinking it's a bad round, Deer got away, but, still had time for the bear.
I have Henry 45-70 Brass , never shot it, but it looks Amazing.
I just got the big boy brass side gate in 357. My fun ive ever had at the range. Definitely looking for the marlin 1894 sbl when they aren't asking 15-1600$ for em. So sick of corporate greed.
What about a 1886 winchester or browning comparison?
What about the cragg 45-70
I dis agree. I had a marlin. And also a henry. I prefer the henry. My marlin was not made by ruger. And i had to send back for repair. The extractor broke. It was fixed and worked well after. But i bought a henry steel. 4570. And it was way smoother . I traded the marlin . Now i think that ruger is making them. They are very good. 🎉 but for me Henry or winchester😊
That sucks you had to have your marlin repaired. My marlin cowboy is a 'jm' before marlin sold out to remington/freedom group. Have had no trouble.....knock on wood... also have a henry all weather side gate that shoots great too
@steverobbins8661 my marlin was a Remington made. And after getting repaired it worked OK. But I had bought a henry steel 4570. . The action was smoother and better accuracy. . I sold the marlin. I asked how he liked it. And he was very satisfied with it. . So both the marlin and henry I have owned were fine. The old marlins were unbeatable. Remington built ones were sad. Now ruger is building them. They will be great. The only revolvers I will buy are rugers. . I own 3 ruger super Blackhawk revolvers. And a ruger security 6. . Built like a Sherman tank and smooth and accurate. . God bless
Might as well buy a blr in 450 marlin
My biggest complaint about lever actions is the buckhorn sight - I hate them. But I like how most of the new guns allow you to easily swap them out for a peep or ghost ring.
The 18" Marlin be a great all weather Grizzly back up gun...!
As far as actions the Henry may be tighter tolerances that will wear in tight whereas the Marlin may get a tad sloppy if not tight when new...!
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If Marlin made this in case hardened with Walnut wood stock, I would be down with it over the Henery. Not taking anything away from the Henery, but I like the shorter barrel for my preference also I think the loop lever is larger on the Marlin, which I like. I like the looks of the Henery better and I think Marlin needs to add a more traditional look to their line up on this gun with the case hardened steel vs their standard blued with the wood stock.
they do make it with those options
19:29 blasphemy.. LOL
I think so too. But if I'm gonna put a scope on a lever gun it's gonna be a Low power scope 1-4x.... they look nice paired up on a henry steel or marlin 336...
my local wal-mart has a golden boy 45-70 henry I'm debating if I wanna add it to my collection. Good review gentlemen I currently own the marlin and I'm happy with her.
Buy it! How much is it listed for?
@ITW.Firearms 923
pretty fair rate
@ITW.Firearms yeah I brought it home, but had some light primer strikes on winchester super x loads. Federal hammerdown loads went fine, so I'm assuming that the winchester loads have hard primers.
Great show very good
Good, Thx
I prefer stainless or Ceracoat
1886 anyone?
I believe Uberti makes one.
Personal favorite
Chiappa uberti Winchester
Mine is a new miroku 1886 in 4590
That Henry is a better looking rifle imo
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@@garyk76 I tend to agree
From a strictly looks perspective, I'd take the Henry. I love walnut stocks and blued steel. For use as a guide gun, I prefer the Marlin. The stainless steel resists the impact of the elements better, and the shorter barrel makes the Marlin a bit handier. I don't think you can go wrong with either.
Ill take the henry thanks
i should have kept my marlin 1895 45-70! enjoyable video!
Why not have both?🤷♂️
Wise words.A rifle for every purpose and a purpose for every rifle!
somehow I thought he had too much coffee and just couldn't get the cartridge in there far enough! Good strategy, turns out:)
Walnut and blued steel for me please.
After shooting both which one you recommend or anyone recommend for reliability and should something wear down is it fixable.
Not sure I would be shooting Plus P rounds in any Lever gun. I'm sure other have mentioned that already. As Henry told me when I broke the linkage in my 1860 with hot 45 Colt rounds, which they fixed for free BTW, yes we use modern metals now, but the design is still the same.
I love Marlin but to be honest the Henry looks way more better. Love black and wood. Nice video loved it
Totally agree! Thanks for watching and commenting
Glad you enjoyed
Well, Marlin does make a black on wood........or they did.
😂 When the recoil blows the glass out of your optic. The target better Be careful...😅 It Used to be the target... It can be food soon
Love that rifle!!!
Very little difference in price for comparable models, but the Marlin has a slight edge in strength.
Have to have bad vision if you think the Henry is better looking than a SBL RugerMarlin 45-70! Sorry if I'm bias!
Anybody know if any of the lever gun company’s are going to make a lever gun in S&W 500 magnum?
Can you make a Rossi video ?