Whilst I sympathise with anyone who suffers from postpartum depression/psychosis, I can’t get over hearing the brutal details of how these 3 innocent babies lost their lives. The confusion and terror they must have felt while their mother was murdering them must’ve been horrific. This woman shouldn’t be free, in my opinion 💔
I agree. I don't have kids, like kids, or want to be around kids... I still feel for them, and can't get why so many people feel for this "mother." I mean, I'm crazy as crazy gets. I still can't sympathize. All kinds of people send the husband money. He turns right around and puts it toward her defense. What about the children? I couldn't deal with someone who did that to my kids. And I don't even like kids!!!
She had help 5 days a week with people assessing her mental state. She also had her husband working from home, to be there for her. She had way more support than many mothers have. She timed it, by looking up far away the restaurant was, she timed it. I believe it was premeditated. She wanted her husband out of the house for "X' amount of time, so she could do whatever she wanted to do. If she didn't want to hurt them, she could of called 911, or harmed herself only. I am not one to argue postpartum or not, I am saying regardless, even if it's present, she wasn't doing things to keep her kids safe. She was planning to get her husband out of the house, to do what she was determined to do.
@@marshapieroni6677you would think, but if she did it pre-calculated and premeditated you can appear how you want all day to accomplish the things you desire. Maybe she truly is a sociopath like she was googling, no one truly knows what’s really going on in the inside even with their closest loved ones. Either way, I believe she needs to be locked up for the rest of her life for taking three innocent lives.
Isn’t that part of the psychosis? I wish others would understand Mental health illness better than they did. I can’t believe she was sent home from the hospital!
It's the premeditation for me. She researched how to kill them, looked up how much time she would have. She planned it and thought it out over time. She knew what she was doing.
Wow, society is so lucky to have such knowledgeable and talented individuals who just simply KNOW. You are Andrea and the reason you are preaching is because you thought of the same yourself.
This happened 6 miles from me. Every time someone brought it up I couldn't talk about this story without breaking down into tears. This story is so sad. I pray for Patrick daily.
We appear to be close. I understand, I also find myself emotional when conversations arise. Or unintentionally hear while at a restaurant or store checkout. It’s so horrific and so close to home. Only weeks after Anna Walshe’s life was taken, leaving her sons with a lifetime of emotional turmoil😢 🙏🏽💪🏽⚖️🤍💛💜
@@heathledger6396 The facts speak for themselves. The facts are she murdered her children. Didn’t have toxic levels of medication in her system. Was NEVER diagnosed prior to or post with PPD or PPP. That is spun by Kevin Reddington. Shame on him. Sent her husband on a fool’s errand after calculating how long it should take round trip.
@@heathledger6396 you seem really, compassionate. Try to be a little nicer on a post about a mother offing her children. Ffs, didn't your parents raise you better?
So so sad. I know how you feel. All the cases are sad, but when one happens close to you, it hits different. I’m not far from the Idaho student murders and it’s been so awful.
I feel like any mother who did this would not even care about their own defense they would feel so awful they wouldn't care what happens to them which makes me think this was planned
Exactly. If her life is so bad and she is suicidal why isn’t she pushing for the death penalty for herself? She thought she’d get away with it and it’s not going how she envisioned…
My sister went through what she’s claiming and luckily we caught it but this is not how she acted. This is not how she responded when she was not mentally there it was scary as hell we wouldn’t be thinking she’s acting normal while having hallucinations. got her the help she needed and she was watched very carefully because of the Andrea Yates situation.
Your last video really saved me postpartum! I had no idea what PPD looked like before I watched that video…. I had a baby soon after and knew immediately when my PPD kicked in! I had an appointment set up for 2 weeks PP for my psychiatrist and therapist, and was able to clearly communicate my symptoms and that is because of YOU Annie! Thank you thank you thank you! I know I would’ve beat myself up, and probably not told anyone how I was feeling because I was so ashamed. Bonding has still been hard but being on meds has definitely lifted that PPD fog! I’m sure my baby would thank you too, if he could talk lol!
I had 3 kids in 2 years and 10 months and I suffered with SEVERE postpartum depression and short term psychosis and I don’t believe her story. There were many times I drove home from appts and would have the urge to run my car off a bridge or into a tree, but very quickly you realize it’s not normal and you need to dig deep and snap out of it. She had every opportunity to ask for help that night and instead she tricked her husband into leaving and murdered her own children. Had she done this in the middle of the night after taking ambien I may believe her, but the fact she had been up and seemed “happy” all day really leads me to believe she was happy bc she knew she was about to be free of the overwhelming responsibility.
I agree with this. However, I also wonder why having kids is now framed as an 'overwhelming responsibility'. Women have been raising kids - often in truly deprived circumstances - for milennia, and it's only in the last thirty years that we now see our children as these enormous burdens, for which we need countless gadgets and devices, support groups, prenatal classes, etc. Generally speaking, raising reasonably healthy offspring isn't as catastrophically difficult as it's increasingly made out to be, you know?
@@username.not.known2473hmm I’m not sure about this. I think it has become more difficult, mainly because women (mothers) are expected to take on more and more responsibilities including working full time jobs.
I seen my uncle do weird crap on ambien. He walked in my room one time thinking he was in the club. Talking Tom me asking where everyone was at from the club. This was after midnight. There's tomes where he is boxing in his sleeping and times he is trying to sleep walk out the door and I say thay because that is how he is acting after he takes it and falls asleep for a little but. When he isn't on it, he doesn't do all that. One night he ate a whole cheese cake in one setting and came in the kitchen the next morning and the evidence was there along with his shoes and he thought I was playing a truck on him when he got up to make coffee. Thank God he is at and assisted living and his medicine is more controlled. I tried talking to his doctor and social worker but it was hard because he didn't want me to tell on him and he did whatever it took to manipulate that situation etc. (Until he couldn't).
I had a hallucination event from a clogged milk duct after having my daughter. Husband found us under the table as I screamed we were being bombed by Russia. I could have hurt my 2 week old baby and thank God we were spared anything more than an ambulance trip to the hospital where I received care. I had no previous or long term thoughts before that day & had no more after that. It was the scariest thing happened to me in regards to my daughter. Bless all those who are innocent & keep them safe.
Trial or not she will suffer a long painful life with what she has done to her innocent kids! She knew what she was doing with or without severe depression
Postpartum is no joke! Mine got worse each time after each baby. I have five kids. I sway back and forth on this too. I did have some very very dark thoughts tho. Glad I was never in her boat. I could have been tho, very easily!
@doyourhomework.6416 we can't blame all these things on PP. The husband should've had the food and medication delivered but clearly she wanted him gone for am hour... sus.
I kinda feel the same if I was faced with the reality that I did this to my kids I would just be asking to be sent to a psychiatric facility for the same amount of time they want to lock me up, not total freedom.
If you were on the jury, you would feel confident saying she was in her right mind and knew exactly what she was doing? Beyond a reasonable doubt is a high bar.
Exactly. It was plotted and planned and because she is a rich white lady all these people including Annie try to make her out to be this poor innocent woman with mental illness with She is nothing but a monster
My middle and high school French teachers were a husband and wife duo. They had been teachers for 30 plus years in my small town and were loved by everyone. Their son had a well documented mental health history and a diagnosis of schizophrenia, among others. One night he stabbed his father and mother to death… but his mom lived by some miracle. She then turned around - through all her grief for the loss of her husband and incarceration of her son - and supported her son through his legal battle. She paid for his attorneys and advocated for him. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity, the first successful insanity defense in my state in decades. The entire town rallied behind her, in awe at her strength and grace, and supported her through this.
As the mother of a toddler expecting another baby, cases like these hit so hard. I love my little girl so much that sometimes I have to pull away from her because the thought of something bad ever happening to her is just so devastating. What’s really tragic in the cases where mothers have killed children in a state of actual psychosis is that so many of them (like Yates) believed in the moment that they had to do what they were doing to save their children from something. If they had felt detached, the children wouldn’t have been harmed, but instead they just loved them too much while also being under the control of this hideous illness. The proof is in how they react later
I felt about my first child, my son the way you do. The love was so strong. And I wondered how I could manage to love two that way. Things will change but in a good way. We have the ability to love more than one. I would just suggest to involve your daughter in helping and setting some time aside each day for just you and her also. And naptime for everybody is s a good thing. That means you too mom. Rest is important.
I’m sorry not to offend you but I think you should seek help as well , no one wants to “pull away “ from their child bcuz you love her too much . Just like how you say about Yakes , you re pulling away as well … I suggest you get help before it’s get bad
As a mom of 3 you will unconditionally love every single one of your kids , no matter how many you have but I can also say As a mother I’ve never wanted to pull away from my child cause I loved them to much …. I struggled with postpartum depression and anxiety and I never wanted to harm my kids and I never had thoughts of harming them , it just made me numb and then I’d have moments where I would scream and be so angry also I had no will to live or take care of myself and I got help . I would suggest you get help and ask about what’s going on with you just because you referred to your love for your child as the love a mother had to murder her children. I’m not being rude or mean just sometimes you need people to encourage you and to let you know it’s okay to seek help for things you may struggle with …. I feel like most women don’t seek help in fear they’ll take their kids and I can tell you they will not take them bec you have something mentally going on .
I had my boys seven years apart. While pregnant with my youngest, he is 15 now, I was very worried and scared that I would not be able to love him the way I did my first son. Would I bond with him and be as close with him as I was with my oldest? While pregnant I had already felt like I had failed my baby for having those thoughts. How could my heart hold anymore more love for another child? But believe me, the day he was born it was like I was magically given a second heart or that mine had doubled in size. It's amazing how moms can love two or more children equally after months of fears of how they will manage it. Also, I do not believe that a parent can love their children too much to the point the have to 'pull away.' Maybe talking with someone will help you with some of your thoughts and feelings. I'm not trying to be rude, mean or disrespectful. Talking with someone helped me while I had worries and fears when I was pregnant. Us momas need some help at times, too. And it is 100% ok to ask for help with any and everything, it doesn't make you weak or a bad mom. Instead it shows the strength you have to want the best for you so you can give your children the very best. I'm really sorry for the long reply! I didn't intend to write more than just a couple sentences for support. 🤗 🫶🏼 Edit: fixed spelling and grammar errors.
The only solution is to slow the baby train, because these illnesses are being caused by US - our overwhelming pollution. Whether the mother thought she was being protective or not, she still did it. When I hit my neighbor in front of police, court sure didn't care about the reasons (there were good reasons behind it, believe me, and I had no criminal record in 42 years of life. They didn't care.). The only people defending her are other mothers who are afraid this could happen to them. I really feel like it's more being overwhelmed than it is any psychosis. I've been in psychosis many times, and it doesn't work like that. Do what I did and don't have kids if you feel you're not in the right position to do so. It is increasingly difficult to raise kids. You WILL go down for it if you do something like this. People can't just be let off. If she is, she'll have more kids or at least try to. Mark my words.
The fact that she pleaded “ not guilty “ makes me really angry if it was me I would want to plead guilty and wouldn’t care to be locked up for life as my life would be nothing without my kids anyway…
I have taken only adhd medication but after I had my second child, taking my medication with that sent my head crazy and I was hallucinating it was horrible and felt SO real. I can fully believe 3 different medications can cause some form of psychosis
All I know is the children should've been protected and she should remain away from society either in mental health facility or prison whatever is decided bc she is dangerous. I can't even fathom what that father is going through. I would die if all my kids were killed.
And who’s responsibility was it to ‘protect the children’ in this case? Doctors knew what treatment she was receiving and what meds she was on and she was allowed to go home and be a sole carer for those kids.
Back when I had postpartum depression in 1985 it was rarely discussed. I had it with my second child. First I became manic. I woke up a few days before I went into labor and hung a tire swing my husband hadn’t gotten to yet. Then when the house was shiny spotless, I went to bed only to wake up early and take coat lining material and design and sew by hand an entire dress in about 5 hours! I was in a state of euphoria. It’s embarrassing now but I felt amazing. I’d never been manic or had any psychiatric issues before that day. Then I went into labor. At the hospital everyone seemed to be shouting at me and everything looked really large. It was so bizarre. Then when I got home the depression began. I felt angry at my son who was 5 and wouldn’t let him near his new sister. He wanted to hold her but I was so weird and filled with this feeling of flatness. I could feel no joy or reason to live practically. I never told a soul. I just knew it would pass and I was a psych major so I knew a little about PPD. I just rode it out. I feel guilty about how cold I was to my son til this day. I loved him so much and wanted him to feel my love but I just kept feeling angry at him for no reason for about a week or maybe two. I had a 3rd child 2 yrs later, another girl and had no issues at all. I never did any drugs or drank so I just have no explanation for what occurred other than hormones. Crazy hormones. I could say to myself tho’ that I felt flat, dull, miserable and easily filled with anger. Why? What if it was even worse? I would have become psychotic and then what? Well Thank God that never happened but I would have sought help not plotted my kids demise. She looked up, “Can you treat a sociopath?” It seems that she may have been a cold person who just found no real joy in life with kids so she just thought she’d get rid of the kids and move on with her life. Sometimes antidepressants give sociopaths the courage to act on their desires. She hang jumped, THAT SAYS IT ALL! She used her knowledge of PPD ( nurse) to get rid of the kids in my opinion. It’s too premeditated. She didn’t do it when alone. She wanted him there so someone would be there when she hang jumped out the window so she wouldn’t lay there too long! I guess she miscalculated the fall! I think she’s a monster.
I was a post partum nurse and lactation consultant from 2005 - 2020, dealing with afterbirth moms and babies only during their hospital stay which was max a 2-3 day stay and there was little to NO education given to RNs on this subject. Therefore a labor and delivery nurse would have even less education on this EXTREMELY complex subject.
I feel for women who experience post-partum depression, post=partum anxiety, and post-partum psychosis and I know how hard it is for those with it to speak up, due to shame and the stigma associated with it. Not only was she an RN, but she was also seen by Dr's, psychiatrist, etc. Wrote in her notes/journal about resenting those babies, purposely sent her husband out as well as timed how long he would be gone, never mind the fact that she sent him to the pharmacy knowing damn well he was unsure of what he was asked to get. He called her while she was in the middle of hurting those babies and she was with it enough to stop what she was doing and called him back......never mind her search history and the fact she only checked herself in for FOUR days and left AMA. She knew EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING imo and now she's playing everyone. If she truly cared; her first question wouldn't have been "Do I need an Attorney". She never once asked how the babies were because she KNEW what she had done. She makes it that much harder for women who truly have PPD, PPA, and PPS.
Those poor kids three innocent children’s lives ended in the worst possible way by their mother unthinkable and she deserves to be punished for every life she took
Several meds “since October” ….. sounds like there could have been some trial and error. I wonder how many of the list that you mentioned were still active ? Over prescribing is certainly a problem but Sometimes the doctors get too much of the blame. A lot of the overprescribing is driven by patient demand.
I remember the first time I heard this story, I had a lot of compassion for Lindsey and especially when you shared your experience with PPD. I was (and still am) appalled at the medications she was taking. I’ve been on all her meds with differing combinations throughout the last 10 years in treatment for my bipolar, so I understand the severity of the symptoms she was dealing with. That said, it’s obvious to me that her actions were premeditated, which is so bizarre considering her background and profession. I have a feeling she slit her wrists and jumped out the window to escape the responsibility for what she had done, or for people to be sympathetic to her. Ugh, it was heart wrenching to hear how she killed her own children and what those innocent babies suffered and felt in those last moments- that their own mother was causing their pain. Heartbreaking and tragic all around. I think the best punishment for her is to be kept in a psychiatric facility for the rest of her life, lest she does the same thing to other children in her care if she were to be let out.
I was prescribed Zoloft for my post partum depression and then Trazedon.... One month into both, I was a walking zombie and did try to kill myself. I do empathize because when your mind is in a place of it's own, you see no help and no way out... It breaks my heart, the whole thing.
And a lot of people don't realize that suicidal people often seem happy and good when they have their suicides planned out. Many people report that the suicidal person seemed better than they had in a while. And there is a gap between regaining some energy after starting antidepressants before they actually start making you feel better. And this is the point when a person is at the highest risk of suicide. I have been on trazodone. I was using it to help me sleep. And it knocked me out most of the time. But it also triggered episodes of bipolar mania. Fun times. I've also personally gone through my own trial and error process as medication cocktails were being adjusted. At my worst, I was on 9 meds. And at this point, I'm on a combo of 5 medications that are actually working well for me. And I also have 3 meds I can take as needed. (For anxiety, sleep, and nightmares.) I wouldn't say I'm over medicated right now. But I was after my hospital stay.
My mom has experienced psychosis. There's a misconception that psychosis is always a very obvious break from reality that everyone in a normal state of mind would be able to see as clearly unhealthy. But that's not true. She says it feels almost like reality, but not quite. My mom's psychosis was characterized by a delusion that she was the only real person in the world and everyone else wasn't. Like, everyone around her was like a hologram or something. She appeared depressed, but it wasn't apparent to people around her state of mind was THAT far out there. I think this woman was psychotic. I don't believe that psychosis always makes you unable to plan. She might have planned her actions that day to an extent, but she could have also been psychotic.
@elizabethcross779 I don't know, I'd just rather my tax dollars go toward preventing this in the first place than punishing mentally ill people, but that's just me. And psychosis makes you feel like the lines between right and wrong are very blurred. Even if you understand that other people might not approve of something, it doesn't feel like it matters. Either way, that's just your (uneducated) opinion.
None of us truly know what was going on in her head at the time. However, I will say that I have been on some of the medications they had her on. With at least one of them causing me to basically hallucinate and I thought I was gonna die. It’s insane that they had her on that many chemical brain altering medications…
Same, I took remeron for 1-2 days maximum- if I was even able to hold my eyes open long enough to be awake during that time I felt so much anger and rage I wanted to hurt my family & myself. Just from 1-2 doses!! It was terrifying
I think it’s very important to investigate who was she before this and say after child 1? Clearly between 2 and 3 something happened? Planned or schemed? Who did that? Her or what was going on in her mind? It’s so hard of course none of us mom’s could ever imagine doing this….but I also can’t imagine NOT feeling like me? I can’t imagine feeling “crazy”? It’s so sad so horrible I feel bad for everyone it’s obvious in pics she’s not who she was 😢
@@bettyir4302when I was in and out of psychosis - I absolutely hid it. For fear of everyone stigmatizing me. My psychosis wasn’t around hurting anyone though
I think our healthcare system allows this to happen. Extended paid parental leave would be a start. Wrap around care for mothers and families is severely lacking in this country and it shows. In other countries, nurses do home visits regularly and if there is a problem, mother and baby are re-admitted together for post-partum psychosis (in a safe way). Instead in this country, families are left to fend for themselves, childcare is out of reach financially for many and stress is mounting while the family structure of yesterday (one parent stays home while one parent works) no longer works financially. Many times family and friends live far away or are not able or willing to provide child care. This is a huge stressor for mothers especially for those with three under school age. Women in the US are expected to do it all: work full time, raise the kids, provide child care, clean the home, cook all meals, and sometimes it takes a toll especially on those women who are isolated and have mental health issues to begin with. We need better supports for families. Im not saying this mom is innocent, but I am saying with supports, these children could have been alive today.
How in the world did ANY doctor believe that it was appropriate to treat her with over a dozen different meds at the same time?! That's just insane! The same happened to a friend of mine. She was over prescribed to the point that she was drooling and had to be taken to the hospital to detox from all the meds she was on. Her doctor was investigated and they found out she had been doing this to MANY of her patients. She ended up losing her license, thankfully. She should have been charged criminally as well imo
This was so heartbreaking when it happened. I have wondered about her several times since. I hope we can find out what happened and that her family is healing from such a tragedy. I withhold any judgement until we hear more details on this case. God Bless you all🙏🏻
This broke my heart. Unfortunately when this happened my baby was the same age as her little boy it touched my heart more then any other story I’ve heard of. Those poor kids.
As someone who suffered from postpartum psychosis; these cases really bother me. Because, I know what a tough place this is to be in. I was institutionalized for my and my baby’s safety. It’s really devastating how far behind our country is; compared to many other countries that already have laws put in place to protect mothers who may fall victim to this illness with an Infacticide Act. Something this country desperately needs. It protects mothers who go through this during the first year of an infants life; with a charge of involuntary manslaughter; they are also given the help they so desperately need. These cases are heartbreaking; but as someone who went through this, no one can convince me that she planned this in cold blood. She may have planned to commit the murders; due to delusional thinking.. but not just to murder them for fun. I googled many thing’s as well, how not to be stopped, how not to be caught, and other disturbing things as well, but that wasn’t ME. It’s really sad, and the only defense women get is an old, outdated insanity plea from the 1800’s. Then these women end up in prisons, when they really needed help. It is incredibly devastating, for this entire family, and their community.
Even if it wasn't premeditated, she killed her own children. The loss of her soul is the most tragic part of this. But i don't think it means justice in the law shouldn't be served.
I am actually going through PPD right now as I type this. I had my fourth baby almost four months ago and she got taken from me because I had to have an emergency C-section and she was only 35 weeks old at that time and the hospital I was at didn't have any NICU beds open for my baby so I only got to kiss her little head once and I didn't even get to hear her cry before they whisked her away to a different hospital 30 minutes away from me. I think that's why I have PPD as bad as it is right now I didn't get to have that fun bonding time in the hospital with my baby and I do get overwhelmed when she cries and I don't know what she wants but I would NEVER lay a finger on my beautiful baby girl... This women is a monster and she knows she is too. I wouldn't claim I was innocent even if I had a psychotic break I'd still want to be punished to the full extent.
I had postpartum depression too with my first son. Never to the point of wanting to hurt him but depressed and I couldn’t stand the dark. I ran around the house the minute it got dark turning on every light in the house.
Already listened to this podcast yesterday but I am SO HERE to watch and take in your storytelling again. I ALWAYS look forward to your content, especially your crime recaps that you've been doing! Also, being from Massachusetts, this case is so important. I am quite sure I was a party princess that she and her babies attended at one point.
It’s heartbreaking all the way around. When you read all those medications so many things can happen to change your mental ability. The way it happened there is no way of really knowing how things flashed through her mind. None of us can say how we would ever react because we have never gone through this.The people that have gone through it they are the only ones that know. I pray for love and strength to surround her husband and may God hold his beautiful children in his arms until he can be with them again.
You know? To me, it doesn’t matter either way. She should be punished by the highest extent of the law. And any mother (that wasn’t truly evil) wouldn’t want to continue living after “coming to” anyways, even if it wasn’t premeditate. I wouldn’t want to live without my babies, and know what I did.
Exactly but she is a Monster She doesnt care what she has done Only care to get away with killing her kids Glad things didnt happen the way she thought they would
The chemical imbalance in her brain is what was evil. She still did it.. and she did do monstrous things... but I don't believe she is proud of herself. And that's the diffrence.. evil is proud. Our brains are our motherboards and hers was malfunctioning...
@@M3Lanie993there’s no proof of that other than that she says so. She’s proven herself to be a liar so why are we automatically assuming that she must be mentally ill just because she says so. She isn’t any less evil than Chris Watts
As someone who had been on 15 meds at once, it is very hard to even think like a normal, sane person. That being said, it was after I had my 2 kids and I would've never thought to hurt them, even when I didn't want to be here anymore. I overprotected my kids. But what if 1 med got added to change the chemistry of all the rest? I'd like to think I would still keep my kids safe and overprotected. It is so hard because as much as she deserves time somewhere, she will live in hell for the rest of her life no matter where she goes. She will live with what she has done. Those demons will be far worse than any judge or jury can do.
People don’t understand what post-pardon depression AND those 13 medications does to someone brain. Many years ago I had severe depression and I was on many of those medications. They messed with my brain terribly. It effects the way you think. And when they made a slight change to my medications, I tried to take my life. I went into a facility for two weeks and the doctors put me back on all the medications. I was fortunate. She needs to be in a facility however I have compassion for her. My heart breaks for those children and their father. It’s just so very tragic.
I have heard more than one story of a person who “had one of their best days” on the day they committed suicide. They carefully plotted and planned and seemed to be better than they had been in a long time, giving the family no cause for concern. I think the reason is because they see death as an escape from their pain.
I’ve seen this time and time again, it’s like they’ve accepted their fate and feel better for doing so. If only they could just use that feeling to carry on and not transfer their pain to the living left behind.
I’ve unfortunately had person experience with this. The person is very happy because they know their suffering is coming to an end. I think she was very happy that she was finally going to get rid of her children and that is why she was acting very happy.
Yes. I said the exact same thing in a post I deleted. Wanted to hear entire video first. Yes, once a person makes the decision to unalive themselves some people are relieved. The pain and pressure of whatever else is going on will be over soon. I don't think the legal system does a good job at determining a real attempt from a false one. With cases being public and televised the pressure for prosecutors to be tough on crime is emense. Not speaking specifically to this case on that. Just overall.
My heart breaks for those poor 3 babies, I know they were TERRIFIED. Being hurt by the person they loves and trusted MOST. Also gosh that poor daddy, I cannot imagine what he has been going through.
A lot to unpack in this sad case but I wanted to comment on one aspect. Annie mentioned that Patrick said Lindsey was the happiest she had been in a long time in the days leading up to the tragedy. People should be aware that those considering suicide (and in this case other harmful acts) will sometimes exhibit signs of peace and contentment once they’ve made up their minds to do the deal. It can throw family and friends for a loop and they may rejoice that the one they’re concerned about is getting better and casting off despair. I would say, please be on high alert when this happens and raise your level of caution, not lower it. They’re waiting for the opportune moment to act, and they’ll make you think there’s no problem. Just please remember this. Unfortunately, I learned from experience. God bless.
The first time i heard about this case i belived that it was premeditated, and that she was mentally there enough to be aware of what she was doimg. Sooo many people at the time here boo-hooing over HER and only being sympathetic toward HER instead of the kids and husband, and it was infuriating. Im glad more people are coming to their senses.
12 medications as soon as I heard that she shouldn’t be left alone with the children. Period, that’s from my experience in mental health. It’s just all around sad.
I believe she knew what she was doing she had everything wrote down. they are being easy on her I at first felt for her with the new information she's evil
I've just realised she had intrusive thoughts! I had these!! I was fine before the birth and then a couple of weeks after I literally was getting thoughts about throwing my baby over a bridge and pouring a whole kettle of boiling water over him. I was absolutely terrified of these thoughts and I couldn't control them, it felt like my brain was hooked up to a computer that someone was programming. Luckily they stopped after a few weeks and I had a lot of support from the babys dad, but for some people they clearly don't pass!! This really, really needs awareness.
psychosis is unfathomable for people who haven’t been through it. The way I describe it now is like you’re in a nightmare. When you’re asleep, you don’t question terrifying and confusing things that happen. You just go with it, no matter how outlandish. So if your nightmare tells you that you need to kill yourself to save humanity, you do it. You fully believe you have to go through with it. But with a nightmare you wake up. When you “wake up” from psychosis you’re faced with incredible shame and embarrassment and confusion unlike anything. And the PTSD that comes with it is debitating. This case shatters my heart.
these cases always hit home for me in a way and provoke an odd sense of sympathy. my mother had ppd and psychosis and on multiple occasions tried to drive my sister and i off a cliff into the ocean/unaliving herself in the process, all of which i remember. it was because she was going to end her life and thought we would be better “with her” than my father. even though she has her flaws i think my mom is still great and continues to support me and my struggles into adulthood. every case is different im not trying to compare
Working in the criminal justice system for almost 19 years… we have seen postpartum psychosis.. people are litterly incompetent to stand trial.. The meds that she was on and taking them together.. those drs should be held liable also
I had very bad ppd after I was forced to have my baby at 31 weeks due to a boy elbowing me in my stomach. I had permedics look for my baby girl in my toilet, blood every where. Even started to leave my body and actually seen the light. I spoke to God and asked him to save her and was sucked back down. I had surgery start wide a wake with no meds with my bare breast out distracting the guy putting me under so I felt my c section start. I was not allowed to to hold my baby for 26 hours and fought for our lives for 26 minutes before help came because of frozen roads. I was put on medication but felt like they made me detach and not empathize with my daughter. I ripped the tape off that held her heart monitor, watched her cry and just stared. I could feel myself pushed back in my head screaming comfort my baby you robot! I refused meds after that and healed myself threw art and just being patient with myself! Meds can be dangerous 😳
I’ve been on a lot of those meds…over a 12 year period. I can’t imagine what that did to her. She’s on antidepressants, antipsychotics, sleep medications AND benzodiazepines?? On top of really bad PPD, This is just so sad all around.
I think that she knew she couldn’t kill her kids with the husband in the house and needed to figure out how to get him out of the house tells me enough to know that it was NOT a moment of psychosis but an intentional act.
They also save a lot of lives. The drugs have only gotten better as the years go on. I was on Trazedone (for sleep) which is one of the first generation antidepressants and it was WILD. I felt drunk and out of control after waking up and even after halving the dose. So I quickly discontinued it with the blessing from my psychiatrist. These drugs do need to be respected and there needs to be a close relationship with your psychiatrist which in America can be difficult. I had military healthcare so I was lucky I never worried about costs or coverage
As a nurse, she would know exactly what each drug would do and if they were messing with her mind or not and whether to question the prescriptions. She knew and played the system.
In a years time my psychologist prescribed me 16 different medications. I was constantly taking at least 10 different meds a day. I have whole weeks I don't remember. I've been shown videos on my Husband's phone of me being totally bizarre and not myself but totally functional at the same time. Hard to describe. I'd have moments of clarity but few and far between. Thankfully I never felt a need to hurt myself or anyone around me. I really believe I was capable of doing things totally on autopilot. Scary. I have no idea what Lindsay Clancy was feeling at the time. I just know if I didn't stop seeing that doctor, I could definitely be capable of unreasonable acts.
@@TheGoodGirl33 yes. These drugs are so very dangerous. Fortunately, they don't affect everyone that way. Doctors and the public in general are very ignorant to the possibilities because there are no tests to measure responses. Lives are completely ruined and the person responsible is unfortunately the victim of these drugs and the medical system.
Her poor husband I really hope that he has a huge support group. He lost everything because he unknowingly married a monster. Why didn't she just unalive herself and leave her kids to live full lives with their Dad?
I always think this in any case where someone kills a bunch of people especially their own family and children then takes their own life. They could just take their own life and spare everyone else. But in this case I believe she never intended to kill herself she only staged an attempted suicide.
This case is so heartbreaking, my mind has also shifted after hearing all the new details and updates to this case unfortunately. I feel so bad for the father he has lost it all I pray he is doing ok.
@@FLMegan I get that sentiment. But even then, an otherwise loving wife and mother? I think he knew she needed help, but not “Honey I killed the kids” kind of help
Ahhhhhh man, look at the list of those drugs...I was taking zoloft and my doctor kept raising my prescription. For pain he gave me methadone, trazodone, oxycontin, and percocets. I never had thoughts of suicide, but that one day, I was feeling great because I was going to commit suicide. The whole time thinking, I won't have no more pain and become a guardian angel for my kids. That night I took all my pills. When I woke up I said "I guess it wasn't enough." I woke up my sister and told her what I did. Went to the hospital. Those medications are from Satan. You listen to the voice in your head and think it's right. Premeditated or at the moment, thoughts, they are REAL voices. Your NOT IN YOUR RIGHT MIND. I hope she knows God forgives ALL SINS. Praying for peace for the families and friends. SHE WAS NOT IN HER RIGHT MIND BUT THE PILLS MADE IT FEEL RIGHT...
If I woke up and realized I had done this while in psychosis I would take my life . I would not care about my life I would not stop sobbing . I would ask for forgiveness every second of my life 🥺
That was my exact thoughts, too.. I have 3 kids, and the thought of them being hurt (much less killed, and by ME), I would've taken myself out.. I can't even imagine what my life would be like without them, and I definitely can't imagine being the one to hurt them!! I can tell you one thing, though.. With 100% certainty.. My first words, waking up, would not have been "do I need an attorney?".. I wouldn't care what happened to me anymore.. It's absolutely tragic.. Those poor babies 💔
When I woke up in the ICU and realized I was still alive - I was pissed! I wasn't relieved, I wasn't grateful. I didn't cry forever, I was empty of any real feeling. I didn't have hope but I also didn't have anxiety, fear, thoughts constantly running in my head unable to sleep, or depression. I didn't even care to try again, it seemed more effort than I could manage and I was so numb I didn't have the feelings that drove me to the attempt in the first place. Just.... nothing. I believe she will feel as you expect eventually, she's just in such a bad state she isn't capable yet.
And it's hard to kill yourself. I could believe she could try to cut her neck and throat and that's harder than she thought and when she tried to jump out the window she grabbed the windowsill out of self preservation. A lot of people have that automatic response. When my uncle died from hanging we found out that it's normal that people fight it when they start to die, just as a natural self preservation. Which is horrific. I hate to think about it but it's important people know that because no one should say that anyone was faking it for a THAT reason
No, you wouldn't behave as LIndsey is behaving because YOU may not be under the heavy chemical infuence of Big Pharma as Lindsey is and had been. That's the difference between you and Lindsey.
Who says she was done with psychosis though.....it's not like you wake up after doing something during psychosis....psychosis continues until it is treated properly and it takes time.
The fact that her first thought when she woke up was about getting a lawyer and not about her kids inmediately caught my attention. Her superficial cuts to her wrists are also very suspect. As for the 13 medications she was on, I don't believe that they were taken all at the same time. There are so many meds because finding the right combination takes trial and error.
From the first day, definitely premeditated., especially every new bit if evidence. No way she snapped at the precise time she planned for her husband to be running errands she asked him to and knowing how long she had. Now, the phone calls and hearing the wrist slitting blood had already stopped and sliding down the house.
My thoughts are that her marriage and family life weren't all that they appeared to be. I feel like that pushed her over the edge, but that she was already sick. Not with any postpartum psychosis though. I just don't buy that. I really hope that she doesn't get off. People don't seem to understand. If they find her not guilty, she walks. I highly doubt that she will go free. If she does, it's because her defense IS very good. They could get women on the jury to buy into the PPD. Humanity is in the toilet today. I don't have kids or like kids, but you can't just get rid of 2/3rd of your family when having a bad day. I hit my neighbor, and didn't mean to (there were many extenuating circumstances that lead up to it), but I did. My attorney explained that even though I had a good case for self-defense, in a physical crime like that, it's really hard to get a non guilty. All the DA will say is "she did it - end of story." My defense attorney was going to get into my mental health issues if it went to trial, but I ended up taking a plea deal.
@@usagi_tthe Chris Watts case has answers! He was a selfish sob who wanted freedom and a new life with his fresh bit of skirt. He didn’t need to do what he did, but that is the reason.
I thought it was premeditated from the beginning because she picked the restaurant, sent her husband to a pharmacy for something she knew they didn’t have, then asked for a lawyer when she woke up. This does seem to be happening more often. Could you please cover the most recent case from Kentucky on Tiffanie Lucas that just recently shot and killed her two baby boys ages 6 & 9?
This. A few of us were sus and were silenced by the other Mummies who felt it was 'perfectly normal with post partum to KILL your kids'. Oookay Mama's.
@ir9567 idk if you saw the video Annie released when it happened. It was very sympathetic to Lindsey drawing on her own postpartum depression. Very much an emotional appeal that seems to have her personal narrative in it and in line with the social media movement that discouraged having a negative opinion on Lindsey's actions, due to struggling herself.
100% agree. And that 'cocktail' of 3 medications is nothing that can be blamed - probably an antidepressant, a sleeping tablet and a short-term anxiety relief tablet (I say this as a pharmacy grad - this is a very common combination, and its likely the other prescribed meds were just variations of that to try to find what suited her). An almost identical situation happened in New Zealand with a mother who strangled her 3 kids too, and blamed it on a psychotic break - however I do think that theory has a tiny bit more merit than this one. Lindsay literally tried to slide down the side of the house so she wouldn't get hurt lol, and her 'cuts' were not even bleeding by the time her husband got to her (he mentions this in the phone call I think). I am sure she is feeling very sad with her situation now because her plan to kill her kids and get away with it isn't working as well as she thought...I doubt there is another reason for her so-called remorse. What a kick in the face to people who are truly suffering and fighting PPD and PPP.
And that’s the difference between a real mom who experienced a mental health break and hurt the kids vs this broad who clearly premeditated everything. If anything like this ever happened to me I would want to stay locked up too if I ever came to my senses and if they ever did let me out I would unalive myself instantly. I myself am still dealing with PPD that I got after having my 2nd 18 months ago. I went thru some dark shit in that time and whenever I started having terrible thoughts and feelings I would tell my man or my family and get myself away from everyone so they didn’t have to deal with a full blown episode. I’m sure there’s more healthy coping mechanisms but separating yourself from everyone even if only for a few hours can help you relax and put your mind somewhat back together. And afterwords still feel terrible about it. It’s hard to deal with but making everyone suffer with you is the choice you have to make!
I was hoping Annie would mention that. That’s the difference between Andrea and this monster. Andrea was actually ill and knows she deserves to be locked away for what she did.
The fact that she dangled from the window and slid down rather than jumping from the window as originally reported plus the superficial cuts and research changed how i feel. She had the clarity to know she would need him gone for a good chunk of time, choose a place to order from based on the needed time, made her hearing a voice say this was her last chance bullshit bc she created this ""chance". He didnt just leave for a bit and offer an opportunity...she MADE the opportunity happen! I completely understand that PP is real but psych is about "try this med and see how it does" its not one med fits all. And the meds tried are definitely a normal way to start depression and anxiety treatment-speaking from both personal experience and the experience of many friends.Not to mention her very first question was self-preservation!! Not "are my kids ok" or even, knowing what shed done "how is Patrick?" Whether its a psychiatric facility or prison, she needs locked up for life!! (In MY opinion...which doesnt really mean much lol)
Patrick knows LIndsey better than anyone and how does he ask us to respond to her? She is a mentally ill woman who is a victim of Big Pharma. She is not an evil monster. A person described as a "wonderful mother" by all who knew her does not suddenlty turn around and kill her children and inflict permanent damage on herself..... Please use some critical thought and don't buy into what Big Pharma or anyone else promotes....
Hearing that her cuts were superficial, and the fact that they state she didn't jump but dropped or slid out the window based upon the blood def changes my mind. What a sick tragedy! That poor father has a lifetime of grief and healing.
Ty for that..im not good at wording my thoughts...the 1st time i heard her araignment(sp) i wondered if she's really really paralyzed..saddestvcase ever! Rih babies..and to Patrick he has my deepest condolences
I think so too, and if she googled different methods then I am sure it was premeditated. Actually that makes it pretty difficult to argue that it wasn't. In my opinion of course.
@@howareyou857did you have the same energy towards men killing their children, like Chris Watts... Because he was equally as mental. And he was manipulated by an outside force. But nahh throw men under the prison and let woman walk free. What wonderful equality. You 🤡☠️ are unbelievable.
Oh Patrik! From a full house to empty! How can he ever forget the day he found his kids in that basement??May God help you deal with this tragedy! Shine in heaven angels!!!
This one is tough as I have struggled with post partum depression and am a pediatric nurse. She was obviously struggling mentally but the fact that she researched methods to end her children's lives and still chose strangulation...I have no words...those children were physically and mentally tortured. Whether it's prison or a mental hospital she needs to be kept away
Prison. No matter what they tell you, they release dangerous mental patients. Besides that, she deserves to be punished. I've been through PPD. It's a DARK time of the soul. She KNEW right from wrong, and was not suffering from a disconnect with reality.
@@Fran_Glassnot fast enough. She knew exactly how much time she had left & she couldn’t risk them surviving the pills and not passing away quickly before her husband came home. She had to make sure they were dead
I didn’t really follow the details of this case, but I did the Andrea Yates case. Andrea’s doctors had not wanted to release her from inpatient care, but her insurance ran out. Her husband had been warned not to leave her alone with the kids. A normally bubbly, friendly good mother was eating cereal right out of the box with her hands and barely speaking when Rusty left. After the murders, when police questioned her it was clear she thought she was doing a good thing. She was sending them to Heaven while they were still too young to be held accountable for any sins that they may have committed. She wasn’t even putting up much of a defense. Her lawyers were just actually competent, Definitely had serious, serious mental health issues. This woman is different. She was able to order food, plan the route, get a phone call from her husband and communicate. If she had hurt just one child I might buy a moment of psychosis. However, it took time to strangle 3 children of that age. I figure she didn’t really intend to hurt herself as badly as she did. The cuts were superficial. Even Darlene Routie (not sure of spelling) almost cut a major artery. Her first concern was call a lawyer. Did she have some mental health issues? Probably. Way overly medicated, but she seemed pretty competent. I don’t believe her.
I think she did it on purpose and was trying to use mental health as an excuse. I did from the start and couldn’t fathom people actually giving her some sort of ‘pass’. Despicable woman. I hope the dad is able to get all the help he needs to live as happy life as possible moving forward, people gave VERY generously to the go fund me which should help in him doing so. I do hope he doesn’t stick by the wife though. Very sad story when anyone takes out their children 😢
@@mandyleeann2527yeah I didn’t agree with her on the first video at all! I’m no stranger to clinical depression after having children so have somewhat of an insight into deteriorating mental health and no way would I have ever dreamt of hurting my children, myself maybe but not them. If you’re in the throes of bad mental health you DO NOT have the foresight to do all the things she did before and after she murdered them 😢
Same. People were projecting on her. She looked miserable. Already a size 0 after 3 kids..? Relax! Always smiling with gorgeous photos? Sooooo exceeedingly nice? Ew it stunk.
I honestly don't know how the husband could say he has forgiven her. I know postpartum depression and psychosis are real, I suffered from depression, but still. I could not forgive my partner if he killed my precious boy.
I'm from MA...my mother went through something similar in the early 70s and much like this woman all they did was pump her full of meds. In the end she took a newborn me out in nothing but a diaper wandering the streets ( she thought the moon dust from an Apollo landing was going to kill all the children ) until my father found us. She ended up in Metropolitan State ( Met State ) Hospital. Where she was repeatedly attacked by other residents that were also extremely ill. I am blessed that we were found.... We need to do better for women and their babies....My heart breaks for everyone in all of this.
The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why wouldn't she blame a third party or a stranger? If her intention was to never actually end her own life?
This is where o struggle yes planned but by who? When she wasn’t in HER right mind ? This is the part that is so hard unless we could be in their head? I can’t even imagine what it feels to not feel like you?
I agree with you 100 💯 she’s a nurse she knows what that medication will do to her & she used it as an excuse! She killed here children plain and simple
Take note that people having a psychotic break can plan things whilst not in their right mind. It should come down to how her sense of right and wrong was impaired during (during! Not after) the commission of the murders.
I think she is guilty in every possible way. I was astounded at how much support she received in the beginning. She planned this whole thing out and SQUEEZED THE LIFE out of ALL of her children. And then made that ridiculous jump from the second story (not a true attempt on her life, in my opinion). Lock her away. RIP those poor innocent babies.
The whole “I stand with Lindsay” mantra going on in the comments of Annie’s first video on this subject were shocking to me. Hopefully those people have changed their minds by now, including Annie.
I totally agree. If anyone besides her killed those kids, mental illness or not (which let’s face it, anyone who murders children is not mentally well) would have the book thrown at them. Why is it okay for her? I really don’t understand. If the husband was suffering depression and did the same thing, he would be behind bars with no sympathy.
She knew what she was doing, she tried to cover her tracks poorly. Even if she was struggling with mental health, she was conscious enough to know that she needed an attorney. She knew what the prosecutor was going to look for
I bet she didn’t count on being paralyzed after jumping. Those poor kids. Just horrifying! Thank you to Annie Elise and her researchers for the videos she puts out. ❤
I feel the same thing. I believe in my heart that this was planned. Once all of the facts are brought out, it's gonna get intense. I can not shake this feeling in my gut that this is a sinister case.
@jenniferhastings5330 hearing that there was evidence she didn't jump, but hung and slid down or whatever is telling to me that she didn't really want to die. I can see things from the opinion you have. I csn also relate to many other opinions. This one is tough.
This case is tough. I believe she knew what she was doing but yet evidence shows otherwise. I believe she is suicidal only because she became aware of what she did. Maybe she was in shock at first and that's why she didn't show any emotions. But yet she was in the right mind to ask about a lawyer which gives the idea she knew what she did. Tough.
Time, it's the only thing you can count on in life besides change. Time will make it less of a memory and it may all fade and then just be recall at some point, hopefully he will get to that pint where he actually has to remember.
Regardless of the outcomes of this, I think we should all remember how quickly, how graciously women wrapped their hearts around this situation. So many women, people, were brave enough to tell their own stories. We may never know how Lindsey really felt or if she planned this, but I think we do all know more now. We know we are not or were not alone. Anyone who was brave enough to share their story, i am so proud of you and i thank you for being a voice for others 💛
Awe I love this message. The silver lining. Using these tragedies to tell our stories so good can come of the future. That is why these things happen. They suck, but we must all grow from it and help each other.
I'm happy for you that you were able to have healthy children, they make life magical. I had fertility issues for years, and I had an ectopic pregnancy rupture four years ago so I thought that I'd never have children. Luckily, my son was born in July of this year and he is the most amazing baby and being his Mom has been the most fulfilling experience of my life. My partner and I feel lucky every single day that we get to spend loving our little guy. I could never hurt a hair on his head I just can't comprehend how anyone could harm their child. Best wishes for a happy healthy life to you and your family!
My wife is the sweetest most loving lady and mother I’ve ever seen she would never hurt anyone especially our children but after she had our /bc she got a major case of ppd and she was in and out of psychosis for months and one day I came home and found her and my kids sitting in her car with the garage door closed and the car running. She had planned on dying or carbon monoxide poisoning. I was able to catch it in time and get all of them out of there. She was sent to a institution and got the help she needed. Just like with this lady there were days we thought everything was better and she was fine but she was silently suffering. These things happen. This poor lady will live with what she did but doesn’t need to be prosecuted she’s not a cold blooded murderer she’s a victim as well.
I suffered and still suffer infertility. It took me over two years to get pregnant with my daughter. I thought I would be the happiest mom in the world to finally get my baby after so much heartache. I wasn't. I had severe PPD, I had the intrusive, awful thoughts...I didn't act on them, but everyone is different and sometimes it is so severe that yes, this does happen. When your brain isn't working properly, you are completely out of control, out of character. Those who have never experienced PPD won't understand, and be happy you don't, because it is dark, and it is scary.
I don't understand it either. But if she really was suffering from PPD or PPP I think we need to be careful on the judgment. It sounds like an absolutely awful thing to go through, and I'm glad I didn't experience it beyond "baby blues". Women need to feel comfortable talking about and seeking help for PPD. If they understand it's normal, maybe they'll seek help before it gets worse. Before, it leads to something like this.
@@samanthabennison8942 👏 I love that you openly speak about your experience. All moms need to know that it's common to have PPD, they can get help for it and they have zero reason to feel guilty about it.
I have a fairly extensive mental health history and as a person who was very close to successful in my attempt (like calling my family suggesting they come because they were unsure I was going to make it) I 100% think her behavior tracks. I don't believe anyone stressing the fact that her behavior that day was normal has much understanding. Because that's exactly what you do. I tried very hard to act normal, even as if I was improving so those around me would relax, less alert. If someone asked how I was doing I would smile and tell them things are getting better. I got up that day as normal. Made sure I was well put together, dressed nicely for work - don't want to look like you're losing it after all. Went into the day smiling, upbeat, held morning meeting, isn't it a nice day outside? Waited for everyone to move along, distracted with their own things. I planned long in advance, I was going for success. I took time considering the options, which one I felt I would be able to follow through. You know it might not work, or even worse not work and you end up doing severe damage, trapping yourself in a living hell. There's a reason people choose different methods. Just the stats between men and women are evidence of that. The first method she tried wasn't going to work so she tried another. If anything I think that shows true intent. The fact that she was researching and planned - that's why the questions include are you having thoughts, do you have any plans, do you have means to access? The difference is she included her children, but I think she saw them as an extention of her own plans. As far as medications go - you are basically a guinea pig in a guessing game. If you are that person prescribed the right one on the first try you don't know how lucky you are. Medications don't = you are now fixed. They don't all work for everyone, some even make it worse. Some take weeks to become effective, you don't know if they are helpful or harmful right away. The fact that she racked up that list in a short amount of time, whether taking all of them or only now on a few, suggests to me the medications they gave her weren't working so they attempted another, and another. If she is found not guilty by insanity it's not like she just walks away scott free I don't know why people are acting like she wouldn't have consequences. She will still be locked up, just with access to care she needs. Inmates in a normal prison recieve needed indivdualized care, why shouldn't she? Sorry I know that was really long but I think it's important for ppl to understand.
I get your opinion. And agree with you. For people who have been affected by their mental health, and want to cause an end, it is somewhat planned. She was crying out for help. I don't think she should ever be back in the free population, but she will always be trapped in her mental heath now anyways.
I also found the various comments "she was having one of her best days" and "she was doing so much better lately" probably come from people with no understanding. I can't tell you how many times I have sucked it up and pretended to be happy for others' sake.
Im a 32 year old mother and I too, have an extensive mental health history. I've been trying different Medications for my bipolar depression, insomnia, adhd and anxiety for 16 years ( also got terrible postpartum anxiety) just got to a stable regimen My question is, are you saying she is guilty, should be found guilty, and imprisoned or that she should not be? It's honestly a real question Just curious
She didn’t wake up and ask “where are my children? Are my children okay?” She woke up and asked “do I need an attorney?” this was premeditated cold blooded murder!
She may have asked. As it was worded, “one of the first thingS (emphasizing that S), she asked.” So therefore, we don’t know if it was exactly the FIRST thing she asked, or was it asked after she asked a couple other questions?
How do you know what she said or what was asked prior to her asking if she needed a lawyer? The prosecutor said shortly after she “woke up.” Why the hell was she being questioned by LE while intubated?
I think two things can be true at the same time. She could have had psychosis and she preplanned the murders. She was sick either way if she “meant” it or not. She needs to be locked up either way.
I believed in the postpartum depression right up until the point where she sent her husband to go get takeout. She was lucid enough to ask for a menu and lucid enough to place an order. I believe that these murders were premeditated.
Same here, I had PPD and as someone who hates opening about my feelings I knew that this was serious and made sure to have a support system around me until I felt better.
I am taking no side..but wondering if the mental illness..depression..psychosis with so much medicine allows for to premeditate as another sign of the illness unlike other crimes with no illness again..not taking up for her..just asking if the illness "allows " for premeditation??? Thanks
Hubby had started working from home. She devises a plan for him to leave the house, in the form of takeout food, with some time added on by asking for something from the drugstore. Sounds pretty lucid.
Exactly ! She had every opportunity to let her husband know she was thinking crazy stuff! Especially when he called ! And why is that , when someone does something it’s mental issues, why does having mental issues automatically causes someone to commit murder ! That’s doesn’t make sense
I dealt with ppd with my first child. And with the added difficulty of being 18 yrs old and in an abusive relationship. There wasn’t the awareness then that there is now and I didn’t know why I was feeling so disconnected until much later. It felt as though I was living someone else’s life. I had thoughts of suicide and I specifically remember wanting to drive head on into oncoming traffic on a couple of occasions and once being pulled over for erratic driving and the cop giving me just a warning. Thankfully all 3 of my children are alive and well today, but I will always harbor the guilt of my thoughts and actions then. Women need more support after childbirth. There needs to be affordable or even free help available. Something more than pills and talk therapy.
Well she also woke up to an officer standing there and in a hospital. I’m not saying she is innocent by any means but waking up out of a coma to an officer and in a hospital would probably make anyone think “what did I do?” Especially her since she was having these horrible homicidal and suicidal thoughts
@@lovabledork23I agree. If I woke up & an officer were there, and I was clearly being monitored. I’d be wondering wtf happened. Though it’s no excuse & these poor poor babies 😭
@@lovabledork23 no where does it say that she “woke up to an officer”. It says she wrote on a whiteboard to the hospital asking if she needed an attorney. An an RN that works in the ER and ICU it’s not typical for officers to be in a room with a patient. They are outside of the room on guard unless the patient is combative or they need a reason to be in the room. She was paralyzed and sedated. No reason to be in there. Now if they went into question her then maybe but it still wouldn’t be my first thought if I’m waking up with wires all over me, hospitalized, intubated, and not knowing what the hell just happened. Make it make sense! Who does that?
Sorry for your loss. 💐 when I heard the names Cora & Dawson, I thought “oh, she loved the movie Titanic.” Sounds like they were bred / born into a house of love. Things change & we don’t know what we don’t know. Such a tragedy.
I feel so bad for the children but my heart really goes out to her husband- so many women don't have support but she did and I'm sure he felt like he was doing everything he could for her. Just Terrible
@@ryansack5198 A lot of people suffer from mental illness & don’t go on to commit acts of violence. I’m sure he never in his wildest dreams thought this happening was ever even within the realm of possibilities. It sounds like at the very most he thought she could potentially be a danger to herself, but probably never imagined that she would attempt to take her own life with children present, I’m sure he never in 1 million years thought she would harm their babies. Typically someone has to be extremely ill for their loved ones to consider them being dangerous.
The psychosis thing doesn't fly because she absolutely understood what she was doing as she had the cognitive ability to look up how long the trip to the restaurant and pharmacy would take her husband. Now, was she mentally ill although she knew what she was doing? Absolutely. But being mentally ill doesn't mean you should get away with murder.
So, so disheartening. Both of y'all have such blessed babies! It takes a village! I only wish these precious babies, AND their mother, had such a village to lean on! We, as women, should be responsible enough to hold each other up!!!
Ativan, Valium, and Klonopin are all benzos. Although I agree she should have known better than to take all three, but why was she prescribed with all three in the 1st place?
It doesn’t matter if you’re a nurse, doctor or layman, if a psychiatrist prescribes meds that he/she says will take away intrusive thoughts, you’ll take whatever is prescribed. PPD/PPP doesn’t discriminate: It affects all races and socioeconomic classes.
Whilst I sympathise with anyone who suffers from postpartum depression/psychosis, I can’t get over hearing the brutal details of how these 3 innocent babies lost their lives. The confusion and terror they must have felt while their mother was murdering them must’ve been horrific.
This woman shouldn’t be free, in my opinion 💔
I agree. I don't have kids, like kids, or want to be around kids... I still feel for them, and can't get why so many people feel for this "mother." I mean, I'm crazy as crazy gets. I still can't sympathize. All kinds of people send the husband money. He turns right around and puts it toward her defense. What about the children? I couldn't deal with someone who did that to my kids. And I don't even like kids!!!
Killer planned it out weeks before
@@maggiesanford8324 right? Same.
Amen Sis!
Exactly!
She had help 5 days a week with people assessing her mental state. She also had her husband working from home, to be there for her. She had way more support than many mothers have. She timed it, by looking up far away the restaurant was, she timed it. I believe it was premeditated. She wanted her husband out of the house for "X' amount of time, so she could do whatever she wanted to do. If she didn't want to hurt them, she could of called 911, or harmed herself only. I am not one to argue postpartum or not, I am saying regardless, even if it's present, she wasn't doing things to keep her kids safe. She was planning to get her husband out of the house, to do what she was determined to do.
With all this "help" , should one of them not have picked up on the fact that they weren't safe with her?
@@marshapieroni6677you would think, but if she did it pre-calculated and premeditated you can appear how you want all day to accomplish the things you desire. Maybe she truly is a sociopath like she was googling, no one truly knows what’s really going on in the inside even with their closest loved ones. Either way, I believe she needs to be locked up for the rest of her life for taking three innocent lives.
Isn’t that part of the psychosis? I wish others would understand Mental health illness better than they did. I can’t believe she was sent home from the hospital!
I agree a 💯
@@marshapieroni6677 she was not disclosing the depth of her thoughts..
It's the premeditation for me. She researched how to kill them, looked up how much time she would have. She planned it and thought it out over time. She knew what she was doing.
Yes! And the fact that she took her medication after the fact
Absolutely
Wow, society is so lucky to have such knowledgeable and talented individuals who just simply KNOW.
You are Andrea and the reason you are preaching is because you thought of the same yourself.
@@oliveranikolich5317 people presume from evidence presented. Three children are deceased. Society wants to know 'why'.
you can look things up and plan things when youre psychotic dude
This happened 6 miles from me. Every time someone brought it up I couldn't talk about this story without breaking down into tears.
This story is so sad. I pray for Patrick daily.
We appear to be close. I understand, I also find myself emotional when conversations arise. Or unintentionally hear while at a restaurant or store checkout. It’s so horrific and so close to home. Only weeks after Anna Walshe’s life was taken, leaving her sons with a lifetime of emotional turmoil😢
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oh shut it
@@heathledger6396 The facts speak for themselves. The facts are she murdered her children. Didn’t have toxic levels of medication in her system. Was NEVER diagnosed prior to or post with PPD or PPP. That is spun by Kevin Reddington. Shame on him. Sent her husband on a fool’s errand after calculating how long it should take round trip.
@@heathledger6396 you seem really, compassionate. Try to be a little nicer on a post about a mother offing her children.
Ffs, didn't your parents raise you better?
So so sad. I know how you feel. All the cases are sad, but when one happens close to you, it hits different. I’m not far from the Idaho student murders and it’s been so awful.
I feel like any mother who did this would not even care about their own defense they would feel so awful they wouldn't care what happens to them which makes me think this was planned
Yessss 👏🏼
Exactly. If her life is so bad and she is suicidal why isn’t she pushing for the death penalty for herself? She thought she’d get away with it and it’s not going how she envisioned…
My sister went through what she’s claiming and luckily we caught it but this is not how she acted. This is not how she responded when she was not mentally there it was scary as hell we wouldn’t be thinking she’s acting normal while having hallucinations. got her the help she needed and she was watched very carefully because of the Andrea Yates situation.
It’s easy to think what people would/should do when you aren’t in their thoughts.
Ok but why?
Your last video really saved me postpartum! I had no idea what PPD looked like before I watched that video…. I had a baby soon after and knew immediately when my PPD kicked in! I had an appointment set up for 2 weeks PP for my psychiatrist and therapist, and was able to clearly communicate my symptoms and that is because of YOU Annie! Thank you thank you thank you! I know I would’ve beat myself up, and probably not told anyone how I was feeling because I was so ashamed. Bonding has still been hard but being on meds has definitely lifted that PPD fog! I’m sure my baby would thank you too, if he could talk lol!
Good vibes & prayers your way … mamas are hero’s!
Many blessing sweetheart ❤
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I had 3 kids in 2 years and 10 months and I suffered with SEVERE postpartum depression and short term psychosis and I don’t believe her story. There were many times I drove home from appts and would have the urge to run my car off a bridge or into a tree, but very quickly you realize it’s not normal and you need to dig deep and snap out of it. She had every opportunity to ask for help that night and instead she tricked her husband into leaving and murdered her own children. Had she done this in the middle of the night after taking ambien I may believe her, but the fact she had been up and seemed “happy” all day really leads me to believe she was happy bc she knew she was about to be free of the overwhelming responsibility.
I agree with this. However, I also wonder why having kids is now framed as an 'overwhelming responsibility'. Women have been raising kids - often in truly deprived circumstances - for milennia, and it's only in the last thirty years that we now see our children as these enormous burdens, for which we need countless gadgets and devices, support groups, prenatal classes, etc. Generally speaking, raising reasonably healthy offspring isn't as catastrophically difficult as it's increasingly made out to be, you know?
@@username.not.known2473hmm I’m not sure about this. I think it has become more difficult, mainly because women (mothers) are expected to take on more and more responsibilities including working full time jobs.
Suicide happens at the happiest moment that’s a fact she tried to get help your POD is not everyone’s you should understand of all people
@@username.not.known2473society no longer has a village
I seen my uncle do weird crap on ambien. He walked in my room one time thinking he was in the club. Talking Tom me asking where everyone was at from the club. This was after midnight. There's tomes where he is boxing in his sleeping and times he is trying to sleep walk out the door and I say thay because that is how he is acting after he takes it and falls asleep for a little but. When he isn't on it, he doesn't do all that. One night he ate a whole cheese cake in one setting and came in the kitchen the next morning and the evidence was there along with his shoes and he thought I was playing a truck on him when he got up to make coffee. Thank God he is at and assisted living and his medicine is more controlled. I tried talking to his doctor and social worker but it was hard because he didn't want me to tell on him and he did whatever it took to manipulate that situation etc. (Until he couldn't).
I had a hallucination event from a clogged milk duct after having my daughter. Husband found us under the table as I screamed we were being bombed by Russia. I could have hurt my 2 week old baby and thank God we were spared anything more than an ambulance trip to the hospital where I received care. I had no previous or long term thoughts before that day & had no more after that. It was the scariest thing happened to me in regards to my daughter. Bless all those who are innocent & keep them safe.
Omg I didn't know that was even a thing that could happen! Thankfully you're both ok. That's so scary!
Clogged milk ducts are painful, and can wreak havoc on hormones. You have a good husband looking out for you and y’all’s child.
Trial or not she will suffer a long painful life with what she has done to her innocent kids! She knew what she was doing with or without severe depression
This case is somewhat local to me. This was premeditated and she absolutely should be held accountable the same way any other murderer would be.
I’m also local to this and I agree. I do say I toggle back and forth at times
I agree
Postpartum is no joke! Mine got worse each time after each baby. I have five kids. I sway back and forth on this too. I did have some very very dark thoughts tho. Glad I was never in her boat. I could have been tho, very easily!
@doyourhomework.6416 we can't blame all these things on PP. The husband should've had the food and medication delivered but clearly she wanted him gone for am hour... sus.
I don't know... if she didn't want her kids, she could've just left. So many men do...
If she loved her kids like she is claiming, she wouldn’t be fighting and claiming innocence. She’s a monster and knew what she was doing.
I kinda feel the same if I was faced with the reality that I did this to my kids I would just be asking to be sent to a psychiatric facility for the same amount of time they want to lock me up, not total freedom.
If you were on the jury, you would feel confident saying she was in her right mind and knew exactly what she was doing? Beyond a reasonable doubt is a high bar.
Post pardom isn’t that black and white though.
Exactly. It was plotted and planned and because she is a rich white lady all these people including Annie try to make her out to be this poor innocent woman with mental illness with She is nothing but a monster
Insanity defense is for cases like this one
My middle and high school French teachers were a husband and wife duo. They had been teachers for 30 plus years in my small town and were loved by everyone. Their son had a well documented mental health history and a diagnosis of schizophrenia, among others. One night he stabbed his father and mother to death… but his mom lived by some miracle. She then turned around - through all her grief for the loss of her husband and incarceration of her son - and supported her son through his legal battle. She paid for his attorneys and advocated for him. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity, the first successful insanity defense in my state in decades. The entire town rallied behind her, in awe at her strength and grace, and supported her through this.
As the mother of a toddler expecting another baby, cases like these hit so hard. I love my little girl so much that sometimes I have to pull away from her because the thought of something bad ever happening to her is just so devastating. What’s really tragic in the cases where mothers have killed children in a state of actual psychosis is that so many of them (like Yates) believed in the moment that they had to do what they were doing to save their children from something. If they had felt detached, the children wouldn’t have been harmed, but instead they just loved them too much while also being under the control of this hideous illness. The proof is in how they react later
I felt about my first child, my son the way you do. The love was so strong. And I wondered how I could manage to love two that way. Things will change but in a good way. We have the ability to love more than one. I would just suggest to involve your daughter in helping and setting some time aside each day for just you and her also. And naptime for everybody is s a good thing. That means you too mom. Rest is important.
I’m sorry not to offend you but I think you should seek help as well , no one wants to “pull away “ from their child bcuz you love her too much . Just like how you say about Yakes , you re pulling away as well … I suggest you get help before it’s get bad
As a mom of 3 you will unconditionally love every single one of your kids , no matter how many you have but I can also say As a mother I’ve never wanted to pull away from my child cause I loved them to much …. I struggled with postpartum depression and anxiety and I never wanted to harm my kids and I never had thoughts of harming them , it just made me numb and then I’d have moments where I would scream and be so angry also I had no will to live or take care of myself and I got help . I would suggest you get help and ask about what’s going on with you just because you referred to your love for your child as the love a mother had to murder her children. I’m not being rude or mean just sometimes you need people to encourage you and to let you know it’s okay to seek help for things you may struggle with …. I feel like most women don’t seek help in fear they’ll take their kids and I can tell you they will not take them bec you have something mentally going on .
I had my boys seven years apart. While pregnant with my youngest, he is 15 now, I was very worried and scared that I would not be able to love him the way I did my first son. Would I bond with him and be as close with him as I was with my oldest? While pregnant I had already felt like I had failed my baby for having those thoughts. How could my heart hold anymore more love for another child? But believe me, the day he was born it was like I was magically given a second heart or that mine had doubled in size. It's amazing how moms can love two or more children equally after months of fears of how they will manage it.
Also, I do not believe that a parent can love their children too much to the point the have to 'pull away.' Maybe talking with someone will help you with some of your thoughts and feelings. I'm not trying to be rude, mean or disrespectful. Talking with someone helped me while I had worries and fears when I was pregnant. Us momas need some help at times, too. And it is 100% ok to ask for help with any and everything, it doesn't make you weak or a bad mom. Instead it shows the strength you have to want the best for you so you can give your children the very best. I'm really sorry for the long reply! I didn't intend to write more than just a couple sentences for support. 🤗 🫶🏼
Edit: fixed spelling and grammar errors.
The only solution is to slow the baby train, because these illnesses are being caused by US - our overwhelming pollution. Whether the mother thought she was being protective or not, she still did it. When I hit my neighbor in front of police, court sure didn't care about the reasons (there were good reasons behind it, believe me, and I had no criminal record in 42 years of life. They didn't care.).
The only people defending her are other mothers who are afraid this could happen to them. I really feel like it's more being overwhelmed than it is any psychosis. I've been in psychosis many times, and it doesn't work like that. Do what I did and don't have kids if you feel you're not in the right position to do so. It is increasingly difficult to raise kids. You WILL go down for it if you do something like this. People can't just be let off. If she is, she'll have more kids or at least try to. Mark my words.
The fact that she pleaded “ not guilty “ makes me really angry if it was me I would want to plead guilty and wouldn’t care to be locked up for life as my life would be nothing without my kids anyway…
Advised to for insanity plea
Why would she plead guilty? She's going for insanity. Aka not saying she didn't do it.
I have taken only adhd medication but after I had my second child, taking my medication with that sent my head crazy and I was hallucinating it was horrible and felt SO real. I can fully believe 3 different medications can cause some form of psychosis
Especially when they say "suicidal thoughts and psychosis may occur" as a possible side effect. Like come on...
All I know is the children should've been protected and she should remain away from society either in mental health facility or prison whatever is decided bc she is dangerous. I can't even fathom what that father is going through. I would die if all my kids were killed.
You think your kids are protected with their mother till they aren’t ….
How dangerous is a paraplegic?
And who’s responsibility was it to ‘protect the children’ in this case? Doctors knew what treatment she was receiving and what meds she was on and she was allowed to go home and be a sole carer for those kids.
Her illness was dangerous not her
Back when I had postpartum depression in 1985 it was rarely discussed. I had it with my second child. First I became manic. I woke up a few days before I went into labor and hung a tire swing my husband hadn’t gotten to yet. Then when the house was shiny spotless, I went to bed only to wake up early and take coat lining material and design and sew by hand an entire dress in about 5 hours! I was in a state of euphoria. It’s embarrassing now but I felt amazing. I’d never been manic or had any psychiatric issues before that day. Then I went into labor. At the hospital everyone seemed to be shouting at me and everything looked really large. It was so bizarre. Then when I got home the depression began. I felt angry at my son who was 5 and wouldn’t let him near his new sister. He wanted to hold her but I was so weird and filled with this feeling of flatness. I could feel no joy or reason to live practically. I never told a soul. I just knew it would pass and I was a psych major so I knew a little about PPD. I just rode it out. I feel guilty about how cold I was to my son til this day. I loved him so much and wanted him to feel my love but I just kept feeling angry at him for no reason for about a week or maybe two. I had a 3rd child 2 yrs later, another girl and had no issues at all. I never did any drugs or drank so I just have no explanation for what occurred other than hormones. Crazy hormones. I could say to myself tho’ that I felt flat, dull, miserable and easily filled with anger. Why? What if it was even worse? I would have become psychotic and then what? Well Thank God that never happened but I would have sought help not plotted my kids demise.
She looked up, “Can you treat a sociopath?” It seems that she may have been a cold person who just found no real joy in life with kids so she just thought she’d get rid of the kids and move on with her life. Sometimes antidepressants give sociopaths the courage to act on their desires. She hang jumped, THAT SAYS IT ALL! She used her knowledge of PPD ( nurse) to get rid of the kids in my opinion. It’s too premeditated. She didn’t do it when alone. She wanted him there so someone would be there when she hang jumped out the window so she wouldn’t lay there too long! I guess she miscalculated the fall! I think she’s a monster.
I was a post partum nurse and lactation consultant from 2005 - 2020, dealing with afterbirth moms and babies only during their hospital stay which was max a 2-3 day stay and there was little to NO education given to RNs on this subject. Therefore a labor and delivery nurse would have even less education on this EXTREMELY complex subject.
I feel for women who experience post-partum depression, post=partum anxiety, and post-partum psychosis and I know how hard it is for those with it to speak up, due to shame and the stigma associated with it. Not only was she an RN, but she was also seen by Dr's, psychiatrist, etc. Wrote in her notes/journal about resenting those babies, purposely sent her husband out as well as timed how long he would be gone, never mind the fact that she sent him to the pharmacy knowing damn well he was unsure of what he was asked to get. He called her while she was in the middle of hurting those babies and she was with it enough to stop what she was doing and called him back......never mind her search history and the fact she only checked herself in for FOUR days and left AMA. She knew EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING imo and now she's playing everyone. If she truly cared; her first question wouldn't have been "Do I need an Attorney". She never once asked how the babies were because she KNEW what she had done. She makes it that much harder for women who truly have PPD, PPA, and PPS.
Those poor kids three innocent children’s lives ended in the worst possible way by their mother unthinkable and she deserves to be punished for every life she took
Several meds “since October” ….. sounds like there could have been some trial and error. I wonder how many of the list that you mentioned were still active ? Over prescribing is certainly a problem but Sometimes the doctors get too much of the blame. A lot of the overprescribing is driven by patient demand.
It's the way they suffered so badly. Makes it so much worse.
I remember the first time I heard this story, I had a lot of compassion for Lindsey and especially when you shared your experience with PPD. I was (and still am) appalled at the medications she was taking. I’ve been on all her meds with differing combinations throughout the last 10 years in treatment for my bipolar, so I understand the severity of the symptoms she was dealing with.
That said, it’s obvious to me that her actions were premeditated, which is so bizarre considering her background and profession. I have a feeling she slit her wrists and jumped out the window to escape the responsibility for what she had done, or for people to be sympathetic to her. Ugh, it was heart wrenching to hear how she killed her own children and what those innocent babies suffered and felt in those last moments- that their own mother was causing their pain. Heartbreaking and tragic all around. I think the best punishment for her is to be kept in a psychiatric facility for the rest of her life, lest she does the same thing to other children in her care if she were to be let out.
Ironically enough she is paralyzed from the neck down and could never so much as hold a child again in her life.
I was prescribed Zoloft for my post partum depression and then Trazedon.... One month into both, I was a walking zombie and did try to kill myself. I do empathize because when your mind is in a place of it's own, you see no help and no way out... It breaks my heart, the whole thing.
But there WAS a way out..for HER! Why take those babies and fail miserably with her own life?
And a lot of people don't realize that suicidal people often seem happy and good when they have their suicides planned out. Many people report that the suicidal person seemed better than they had in a while. And there is a gap between regaining some energy after starting antidepressants before they actually start making you feel better. And this is the point when a person is at the highest risk of suicide.
I have been on trazodone. I was using it to help me sleep. And it knocked me out most of the time. But it also triggered episodes of bipolar mania. Fun times.
I've also personally gone through my own trial and error process as medication cocktails were being adjusted. At my worst, I was on 9 meds. And at this point, I'm on a combo of 5 medications that are actually working well for me. And I also have 3 meds I can take as needed. (For anxiety, sleep, and nightmares.) I wouldn't say I'm over medicated right now. But I was after my hospital stay.
My mom has experienced psychosis. There's a misconception that psychosis is always a very obvious break from reality that everyone in a normal state of mind would be able to see as clearly unhealthy. But that's not true. She says it feels almost like reality, but not quite. My mom's psychosis was characterized by a delusion that she was the only real person in the world and everyone else wasn't. Like, everyone around her was like a hologram or something. She appeared depressed, but it wasn't apparent to people around her state of mind was THAT far out there.
I think this woman was psychotic. I don't believe that psychosis always makes you unable to plan. She might have planned her actions that day to an extent, but she could have also been psychotic.
Agreed. My mom is sick too.
Even if she was psychotic, she knew what she was doing and that it was wrong. Life in prison.
I agree w you ❤
@elizabethcross779 I don't know, I'd just rather my tax dollars go toward preventing this in the first place than punishing mentally ill people, but that's just me.
And psychosis makes you feel like the lines between right and wrong are very blurred. Even if you understand that other people might not approve of something, it doesn't feel like it matters.
Either way, that's just your (uneducated) opinion.
@@missbritface agreed. She needs help.
None of us truly know what was going on in her head at the time. However, I will say that I have been on some of the medications they had her on. With at least one of them causing me to basically hallucinate and I thought I was gonna die. It’s insane that they had her on that many chemical brain altering medications…
But during hallucinations, were you able to act perfectly normal around friends and family all the while doing searches to plan out killings?
Same, I took remeron for 1-2 days maximum- if I was even able to hold my eyes open long enough to be awake during that time I felt so much anger and rage I wanted to hurt my family & myself. Just from 1-2 doses!! It was terrifying
I think it’s very important to investigate who was she before this and say after child 1? Clearly between 2 and 3 something happened? Planned or schemed? Who did that? Her or what was going on in her mind? It’s so hard of course none of us mom’s could ever imagine doing this….but I also can’t imagine NOT feeling like me? I can’t imagine feeling “crazy”? It’s so sad so horrible I feel bad for everyone it’s obvious in pics she’s not who she was 😢
I think this is the only comment that’s trying to show some rational and not emotional logic. It’s a confusing case.
@@bettyir4302when I was in and out of psychosis - I absolutely hid it. For fear of everyone stigmatizing me. My psychosis wasn’t around hurting anyone though
I think our healthcare system allows this to happen. Extended paid parental leave would be a start. Wrap around care for mothers and families is severely lacking in this country and it shows. In other countries, nurses do home visits regularly and if there is a problem, mother and baby are re-admitted together for post-partum psychosis (in a safe way). Instead in this country, families are left to fend for themselves, childcare is out of reach financially for many and stress is mounting while the family structure of yesterday (one parent stays home while one parent works) no longer works financially. Many times family and friends live far away or are not able or willing to provide child care. This is a huge stressor for mothers especially for those with three under school age. Women in the US are expected to do it all: work full time, raise the kids, provide child care, clean the home, cook all meals, and sometimes it takes a toll especially on those women who are isolated and have mental health issues to begin with. We need better supports for families. Im not saying this mom is innocent, but I am saying with supports, these children could have been alive today.
How in the world did ANY doctor believe that it was appropriate to treat her with over a dozen different meds at the same time?! That's just insane! The same happened to a friend of mine. She was over prescribed to the point that she was drooling and had to be taken to the hospital to detox from all the meds she was on. Her doctor was investigated and they found out she had been doing this to MANY of her patients. She ended up losing her license, thankfully. She should have been charged criminally as well imo
This was so heartbreaking when it happened. I have wondered about her several times since. I hope we can find out what happened and that her family is healing from such a tragedy. I withhold any judgement until we hear more details on this case. God Bless you all🙏🏻
This broke my heart. Unfortunately when this happened my baby was the same age as her little boy it touched my heart more then any other story I’ve heard of. Those poor kids.
There will be NO standing with Lindsay!!!
She was almost 20 medications.. its a heart breaking case
As someone who suffered from postpartum psychosis; these cases really bother me. Because, I know what a tough place this is to be in. I was institutionalized for my and my baby’s safety. It’s really devastating how far behind our country is; compared to many other countries that already have laws put in place to protect mothers who may fall victim to this illness with an Infacticide Act. Something this country desperately needs. It protects mothers who go through this during the first year of an infants life; with a charge of involuntary manslaughter; they are also given the help they so desperately need. These cases are heartbreaking; but as someone who went through this, no one can convince me that she planned this in cold blood. She may have planned to commit the murders; due to delusional thinking.. but not just to murder them for fun. I googled many thing’s as well, how not to be stopped, how not to be caught, and other disturbing things as well, but that wasn’t ME. It’s really sad, and the only defense women get is an old, outdated insanity plea from the 1800’s. Then these women end up in prisons, when they really needed help. It is incredibly devastating, for this entire family, and their community.
Even if it wasn't premeditated, she killed her own children. The loss of her soul is the most tragic part of this. But i don't think it means justice in the law shouldn't be served.
I am actually going through PPD right now as I type this. I had my fourth baby almost four months ago and she got taken from me because I had to have an emergency C-section and she was only 35 weeks old at that time and the hospital I was at didn't have any NICU beds open for my baby so I only got to kiss her little head once and I didn't even get to hear her cry before they whisked her away to a different hospital 30 minutes away from me. I think that's why I have PPD as bad as it is right now I didn't get to have that fun bonding time in the hospital with my baby and I do get overwhelmed when she cries and I don't know what she wants but I would NEVER lay a finger on my beautiful baby girl... This women is a monster and she knows she is too. I wouldn't claim I was innocent even if I had a psychotic break I'd still want to be punished to the full extent.
Mam your PPD is not hers, you are one person not millions
I had postpartum depression too with my first son. Never to the point of wanting to hurt him but depressed and I couldn’t stand the dark. I ran around the house the minute it got dark turning on every light in the house.
Already listened to this podcast yesterday but I am SO HERE to watch and take in your storytelling again. I ALWAYS look forward to your content, especially your crime recaps that you've been doing! Also, being from Massachusetts, this case is so important. I am quite sure I was a party princess that she and her babies attended at one point.
I always watch them twice 😂. I catch new things all the time!!
It’s heartbreaking all the way around. When you read all those medications so many things can happen to change your mental ability. The way it happened there is no way of really knowing how things flashed through her mind. None of us can say how we would ever react because we have never gone through this.The people that have gone through it they are the only ones that know. I pray for love and strength to surround her husband and may God hold his beautiful children in his arms until he can be with them again.
You know? To me, it doesn’t matter either way. She should be punished by the highest extent of the law. And any mother (that wasn’t truly evil) wouldn’t want to continue living after “coming to” anyways, even if it wasn’t premeditate. I wouldn’t want to live without my babies, and know what I did.
Exactly but she is a Monster
She doesnt care what she has done
Only care to get away with killing her kids
Glad things didnt happen the way she thought they would
They way Jennifer looks at her from other end of table is a look of "I will take you down". More like a personal vendetta.
HUMANE!!!! Wow the defense attorney really said that! Not very humane of her to murder her children.
This is a tragedy I will never understand how anyone could harm a child, especially their own. This woman is pure evil.
I 💯 agree with you!
The chemical imbalance in her brain is what was evil.
She still did it.. and she did do monstrous things... but I don't believe she is proud of herself. And that's the diffrence.. evil is proud.
Our brains are our motherboards and hers was malfunctioning...
@@M3Lanie993there’s no proof of that other than that she says so. She’s proven herself to be a liar so why are we automatically assuming that she must be mentally ill just because she says so. She isn’t any less evil than Chris Watts
What do you know about post partum psychosis ? Look it up.
As someone who had been on 15 meds at once, it is very hard to even think like a normal, sane person. That being said, it was after I had my 2 kids and I would've never thought to hurt them, even when I didn't want to be here anymore. I overprotected my kids. But what if 1 med got added to change the chemistry of all the rest? I'd like to think I would still keep my kids safe and overprotected. It is so hard because as much as she deserves time somewhere, she will live in hell for the rest of her life no matter where she goes. She will live with what she has done. Those demons will be far worse than any judge or jury can do.
And Amen to that.Only God can judge this woman.
People don’t understand what post-pardon depression AND those 13 medications does to someone brain. Many years ago I had severe depression and I was on many of those medications. They messed with my brain terribly. It effects the way you think. And when they made a slight change to my medications, I tried to take my life. I went into a facility for two weeks and the doctors put me back on all the medications. I was fortunate.
She needs to be in a facility however I have compassion for her. My heart breaks for those children and their father. It’s just so very tragic.
A devastating case all around . The dad lost his whole family , would he support his wife ? I cannot even imagine the turmoil his in 😢
I have heard more than one story of a person who “had one of their best days” on the day they committed suicide. They carefully plotted and planned and seemed to be better than they had been in a long time, giving the family no cause for concern. I think the reason is because they see death as an escape from their pain.
This is common.
I’ve seen this time and time again, it’s like they’ve accepted their fate and feel better for doing so. If only they could just use that feeling to carry on and not transfer their pain to the living left behind.
I’ve unfortunately had person experience with this. The person is very happy because they know their suffering is coming to an end. I think she was very happy that she was finally going to get rid of her children and that is why she was acting very happy.
Yes. I said the exact same thing in a post I deleted. Wanted to hear entire video first. Yes, once a person makes the decision to unalive themselves some people are relieved. The pain and pressure of whatever else is going on will be over soon. I don't think the legal system does a good job at determining a real attempt from a false one. With cases being public and televised the pressure for prosecutors to be tough on crime is emense. Not speaking specifically to this case on that. Just overall.
RUclips deleted my comment, my sister had her best day before she unalived herself.
If she woke up in the hospital handcuffed to the bed, than a question of needing a lawyer may not be out of the ordinary.
I'm so glad you're covering this case, it's still so hard to believe. 😕
My heart breaks for those poor 3 babies, I know they were TERRIFIED. Being hurt by the person they loves and trusted MOST. Also gosh that poor daddy, I cannot imagine what he has been going through.
A lot to unpack in this sad case but I wanted to comment on one aspect. Annie mentioned that Patrick said Lindsey was the happiest she had been in a long time in the days leading up to the tragedy. People should be aware that those considering suicide (and in this case other harmful acts) will sometimes exhibit signs of peace and contentment once they’ve made up their minds to do the deal. It can throw family and friends for a loop and they may rejoice that the one they’re concerned about is getting better and casting off despair. I would say, please be on high alert when this happens and raise your level of caution, not lower it. They’re waiting for the opportune moment to act, and they’ll make you think there’s no problem. Just please remember this. Unfortunately, I learned from experience. God bless.
The first time i heard about this case i belived that it was premeditated, and that she was mentally there enough to be aware of what she was doimg. Sooo many people at the time here boo-hooing over HER and only being sympathetic toward HER instead of the kids and husband, and it was infuriating. Im glad more people are coming to their senses.
12 medications as soon as I heard that she shouldn’t be left alone with the children. Period, that’s from my experience in mental health. It’s just all around sad.
I believe she knew what she was doing she had everything wrote down. they are being easy on her I at first felt for her with the new information she's evil
I think she is being treated well so that there is no chance of a rehearing or appeal.
I've just realised she had intrusive thoughts! I had these!! I was fine before the birth and then a couple of weeks after I literally was getting thoughts about throwing my baby over a bridge and pouring a whole kettle of boiling water over him. I was absolutely terrified of these thoughts and I couldn't control them, it felt like my brain was hooked up to a computer that someone was programming. Luckily they stopped after a few weeks and I had a lot of support from the babys dad, but for some people they clearly don't pass!! This really, really needs awareness.
psychosis is unfathomable for people who haven’t been through it. The way I describe it now is like you’re in a nightmare. When you’re asleep, you don’t question terrifying and confusing things that happen. You just go with it, no matter how outlandish. So if your nightmare tells you that you need to kill yourself to save humanity, you do it. You fully believe you have to go through with it. But with a nightmare you wake up. When you “wake up” from psychosis you’re faced with incredible shame and embarrassment and confusion unlike anything. And the PTSD that comes with it is debitating. This case shatters my heart.
weird how it's so statistically rare, yet everyone claims to allegedly experience it
these cases always hit home for me in a way and provoke an odd sense of sympathy. my mother had ppd and psychosis and on multiple occasions tried to drive my sister and i off a cliff into the ocean/unaliving herself in the process, all of which i remember. it was because she was going to end her life and thought we would be better “with her” than my father. even though she has her flaws i think my mom is still great and continues to support me and my struggles into adulthood. every case is different im not trying to compare
also for context my mother really wanted us, it’s not like we were unwanted. both my sister and i were ivf pregnancies
It's such a crime against humanity that doctors are protected from being held responsible for the way they basically sell drugs. Truly sickening
Working in the criminal justice system for almost 19 years… we have seen postpartum psychosis.. people are litterly incompetent to stand trial..
The meds that she was on and taking them together.. those drs should be held liable also
Jumping from 2nd floor wasn't going to kill her and she knew that! I didn't hear the whole start story until now!
I had very bad ppd after I was forced to have my baby at 31 weeks due to a boy elbowing me in my stomach. I had permedics look for my baby girl in my toilet, blood every where. Even started to leave my body and actually seen the light. I spoke to God and asked him to save her and was sucked back down. I had surgery start wide a wake with no meds with my bare breast out distracting the guy putting me under so I felt my c section start. I was not allowed to to hold my baby for 26 hours and fought for our lives for 26 minutes before help came because of frozen roads. I was put on medication but felt like they made me detach and not empathize with my daughter. I ripped the tape off that held her heart monitor, watched her cry and just stared. I could feel myself pushed back in my head screaming comfort my baby you robot! I refused meds after that and healed myself threw art and just being patient with myself! Meds can be dangerous 😳
I’ve been on a lot of those meds…over a 12 year period. I can’t imagine what that did to her. She’s on antidepressants, antipsychotics, sleep medications AND benzodiazepines?? On top of really bad PPD, This is just so sad all around.
I think that she knew she couldn’t kill her kids with the husband in the house and needed to figure out how to get him out of the house tells me enough to know that it was NOT a moment of psychosis but an intentional act.
You are more evil than this very mentally ill mother
Agreed. She was on 3 meds and being weaned off. In the court paper's she timed everything to give her time to kill the kid's.
So you can’t do anything intentional with Psychosis? 🤔
She definitely wasn’t in her right state of mind 😢 I believe she will take her own life at some point 🙁
Yeah that’s premeditation at it’s fullest
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It should be illegal to prescribe that many psych drugs. Those drugs can be so dangerous.
They also save a lot of lives. The drugs have only gotten better as the years go on. I was on Trazedone (for sleep) which is one of the first generation antidepressants and it was WILD. I felt drunk and out of control after waking up and even after halving the dose. So I quickly discontinued it with the blessing from my psychiatrist. These drugs do need to be respected and there needs to be a close relationship with your psychiatrist which in America can be difficult. I had military healthcare so I was lucky I never worried about costs or coverage
As a nurse, she would know exactly what each drug would do and if they were messing with her mind or not and whether to question the prescriptions. She knew and played the system.
In a years time my psychologist prescribed me 16 different medications. I was constantly taking at least 10 different meds a day. I have whole weeks I don't remember. I've been shown videos on my Husband's phone of me being totally bizarre and not myself but totally functional at the same time. Hard to describe. I'd have moments of clarity but few and far between. Thankfully I never felt a need to hurt myself or anyone around me. I really believe I was capable of doing things totally on autopilot. Scary. I have no idea what Lindsay Clancy was feeling at the time. I just know if I didn't stop seeing that doctor, I could definitely be capable of unreasonable acts.
@@TheGoodGirl33 yes. These drugs are so very dangerous. Fortunately, they don't affect everyone that way. Doctors and the public in general are very ignorant to the possibilities because there are no tests to measure responses. Lives are completely ruined and the person responsible is unfortunately the victim of these drugs and the medical system.
@@TheGoodGirl33well her actions after the murders show that she knew what she was doing
Her poor husband I really hope that he has a huge support group. He lost everything because he unknowingly married a monster. Why didn't she just unalive herself and leave her kids to live full lives with their Dad?
Cause she is a Monster
And only thinks of herself
I always think this in any case where someone kills a bunch of people especially their own family and children then takes their own life. They could just take their own life and spare everyone else. But in this case I believe she never intended to kill herself she only staged an attempted suicide.
@@cheyb1539 exactly
@@cheyb1539 I agree.
“unalive” are you 12?
As a mother I cannot even imagine. I know it happens but I can’t even wrap my head around it. How terrified they must have been. 😢
This case is so heartbreaking, my mind has also shifted after hearing all the new details and updates to this case unfortunately. I feel so bad for the father he has lost it all I pray he is doing ok.
Sadly he Will never be ok
He Will just has to go on living without his babies
I think the father dropped the ball more than we know yet. He knew she belonged in a facility for treatment. He was trying to play too many roles.
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I get that sentiment. But even then, an otherwise loving wife and mother? I think he knew she needed help, but not “Honey I killed the kids” kind of help
Ahhhhhh man, look at the list of those drugs...I was taking zoloft and my doctor kept raising my prescription. For pain he gave me methadone, trazodone, oxycontin, and percocets. I never had thoughts of suicide, but that one day, I was feeling great because I was going to commit suicide. The whole time thinking, I won't have no more pain and become a guardian angel for my kids. That night I took all my pills. When I woke up I said "I guess it wasn't enough." I woke up my sister and told her what I did. Went to the hospital. Those medications are from Satan. You listen to the voice in your head and think it's right. Premeditated or at the moment, thoughts, they are REAL voices. Your NOT IN YOUR RIGHT MIND. I hope she knows God forgives ALL SINS. Praying for peace for the families and friends. SHE WAS NOT IN HER RIGHT MIND BUT THE PILLS MADE IT FEEL RIGHT...
Everyone needs to keep the same energy they had for Chris Watts , as well for this woman! They are no different!!!
If I woke up and realized I had done this while in psychosis I would take my life . I would not care about my life I would not stop sobbing . I would ask for forgiveness every second of my life 🥺
That was my exact thoughts, too.. I have 3 kids, and the thought of them being hurt (much less killed, and by ME), I would've taken myself out.. I can't even imagine what my life would be like without them, and I definitely can't imagine being the one to hurt them!! I can tell you one thing, though.. With 100% certainty.. My first words, waking up, would not have been "do I need an attorney?".. I wouldn't care what happened to me anymore.. It's absolutely tragic.. Those poor babies 💔
When I woke up in the ICU and realized I was still alive - I was pissed! I wasn't relieved, I wasn't grateful. I didn't cry forever, I was empty of any real feeling. I didn't have hope but I also didn't have anxiety, fear, thoughts constantly running in my head unable to sleep, or depression. I didn't even care to try again, it seemed more effort than I could manage and I was so numb I didn't have the feelings that drove me to the attempt in the first place. Just.... nothing. I believe she will feel as you expect eventually, she's just in such a bad state she isn't capable yet.
And it's hard to kill yourself. I could believe she could try to cut her neck and throat and that's harder than she thought and when she tried to jump out the window she grabbed the windowsill out of self preservation. A lot of people have that automatic response. When my uncle died from hanging we found out that it's normal that people fight it when they start to die, just as a natural self preservation. Which is horrific. I hate to think about it but it's important people know that because no one should say that anyone was faking it for a THAT reason
No, you wouldn't behave as LIndsey is behaving because YOU may not be under the heavy chemical infuence of Big Pharma as Lindsey is and had been. That's the difference between you and Lindsey.
Who says she was done with psychosis though.....it's not like you wake up after doing something during psychosis....psychosis continues until it is treated properly and it takes time.
The fact that her first thought when she woke up was about getting a lawyer and not about her kids inmediately caught my attention. Her superficial cuts to her wrists are also very suspect. As for the 13 medications she was on, I don't believe that they were taken all at the same time. There are so many meds because finding the right combination takes trial and error.
Yes! and as someone who works in the clinical research world, it takes years of trial and error!
I fully believe it was premeditated, there's just too much pointing that way. Absolutely breaks my heart, rest in peace babies❤🩹
From the first day, definitely premeditated., especially every new bit if evidence. No way she snapped at the precise time she planned for her husband to be running errands she asked him to and knowing how long she had. Now, the phone calls and hearing the wrist slitting blood had already stopped and sliding down the house.
Possibly, but WHY? Similar to Chris Watt's case, no answers.
Sometimes there isn't a why. Or anything that anyone but the murderer would understand.@@usagi_t
My thoughts are that her marriage and family life weren't all that they appeared to be. I feel like that pushed her over the edge, but that she was already sick. Not with any postpartum psychosis though. I just don't buy that.
I really hope that she doesn't get off. People don't seem to understand. If they find her not guilty, she walks. I highly doubt that she will go free. If she does, it's because her defense IS very good. They could get women on the jury to buy into the PPD. Humanity is in the toilet today. I don't have kids or like kids, but you can't just get rid of 2/3rd of your family when having a bad day. I hit my neighbor, and didn't mean to (there were many extenuating circumstances that lead up to it), but I did. My attorney explained that even though I had a good case for self-defense, in a physical crime like that, it's really hard to get a non guilty. All the DA will say is "she did it - end of story." My defense attorney was going to get into my mental health issues if it went to trial, but I ended up taking a plea deal.
@@usagi_tthe Chris Watts case has answers! He was a selfish sob who wanted freedom and a new life with his fresh bit of skirt.
He didn’t need to do what he did, but that is the reason.
I thought it was premeditated from the beginning because she picked the restaurant, sent her husband to a pharmacy for something she knew they didn’t have, then asked for a lawyer when she woke up.
This does seem to be happening more often. Could you please cover the most recent case from Kentucky on Tiffanie Lucas that just recently shot and killed her two baby boys ages 6 & 9?
That is also so heartbreaking… and she is claiming she was ‘influenced’ by social media….. narcissists.
This. A few of us were sus and were silenced by the other Mummies who felt it was 'perfectly normal with post partum to KILL your kids'. Oookay Mama's.
@ir9567 idk if you saw the video Annie released when it happened. It was very sympathetic to Lindsey drawing on her own postpartum depression. Very much an emotional appeal that seems to have her personal narrative in it and in line with the social media movement that discouraged having a negative opinion on Lindsey's actions, due to struggling herself.
100% agree. And that 'cocktail' of 3 medications is nothing that can be blamed - probably an antidepressant, a sleeping tablet and a short-term anxiety relief tablet (I say this as a pharmacy grad - this is a very common combination, and its likely the other prescribed meds were just variations of that to try to find what suited her).
An almost identical situation happened in New Zealand with a mother who strangled her 3 kids too, and blamed it on a psychotic break - however I do think that theory has a tiny bit more merit than this one.
Lindsay literally tried to slide down the side of the house so she wouldn't get hurt lol, and her 'cuts' were not even bleeding by the time her husband got to her (he mentions this in the phone call I think). I am sure she is feeling very sad with her situation now because her plan to kill her kids and get away with it isn't working as well as she thought...I doubt there is another reason for her so-called remorse. What a kick in the face to people who are truly suffering and fighting PPD and PPP.
Um do you realise that psychotic or depressed people can plan actions ? They are not just bloody zombies
Andrea Yates actually said that she does not want to attend her parole hearings bc she believes she needs to stay behind bars
And that’s the difference between a real mom who experienced a mental health break and hurt the kids vs this broad who clearly premeditated everything. If anything like this ever happened to me I would want to stay locked up too if I ever came to my senses and if they ever did let me out I would unalive myself instantly. I myself am still dealing with PPD that I got after having my 2nd 18 months ago. I went thru some dark shit in that time and whenever I started having terrible thoughts and feelings I would tell my man or my family and get myself away from everyone so they didn’t have to deal with a full blown episode. I’m sure there’s more healthy coping mechanisms but separating yourself from everyone even if only for a few hours can help you relax and put your mind somewhat back together. And afterwords still feel terrible about it. It’s hard to deal with but making everyone suffer with you is the choice you have to make!
@@madelineimani4752"hurt" her kids......MURDERED
Lindsay needs to be in a instutution the rest of her life! Prison cant take care of her..jmo
I was hoping Annie would mention that. That’s the difference between Andrea and this monster. Andrea was actually ill and knows she deserves to be locked away for what she did.
And she should remain behind bars.
My heart it breaking for her husband. Just hearing about the moment he found his kids in the basement brought me to tears.
The fact that she dangled from the window and slid down rather than jumping from the window as originally reported plus the superficial cuts and research changed how i feel. She had the clarity to know she would need him gone for a good chunk of time, choose a place to order from based on the needed time, made her hearing a voice say this was her last chance bullshit bc she created this ""chance". He didnt just leave for a bit and offer an opportunity...she MADE the opportunity happen! I completely understand that PP is real but psych is about "try this med and see how it does" its not one med fits all. And the meds tried are definitely a normal way to start depression and anxiety treatment-speaking from both personal experience and the experience of many friends.Not to mention her very first question was self-preservation!! Not "are my kids ok" or even, knowing what shed done "how is Patrick?" Whether its a psychiatric facility or prison, she needs locked up for life!! (In MY opinion...which doesnt really mean much lol)
That’s the prosecutions side NOT the facts, why choose to be paralyzed ? That fall was dangerous to her either way
Agree
@@nikkimclay5474maybe a pity party
Patrick knows LIndsey better than anyone and how does he ask us to respond to her? She is a mentally ill woman who is a victim of Big Pharma. She is not an evil monster. A person described as a "wonderful mother" by all who knew her does not suddenlty turn around and kill her children and inflict permanent damage on herself..... Please use some critical thought and don't buy into what Big Pharma or anyone else promotes....
Hearing that her cuts were superficial, and the fact that they state she didn't jump but dropped or slid out the window based upon the blood def changes my mind. What a sick tragedy! That poor father has a lifetime of grief and healing.
According to prosecution
Ty for that..im not good at wording my thoughts...the 1st time i heard her araignment(sp) i wondered if she's really really paralyzed..saddestvcase ever! Rih babies..and to Patrick he has my deepest condolences
I think so too, and if she googled different methods then I am sure it was premeditated. Actually that makes it pretty difficult to argue that it wasn't. In my opinion of course.
@@howareyou857did you have the same energy towards men killing their children, like Chris Watts... Because he was equally as mental. And he was manipulated by an outside force. But nahh throw men under the prison and let woman walk free. What wonderful equality. You 🤡☠️ are unbelievable.
How would she be paralyzed from just sliding down though? Doesn't add up.
Oh Patrik! From a full house to empty! How can he ever forget the day he found his kids in that basement??May God help you deal with this tragedy! Shine in heaven angels!!!
Here’s my issue they had money why not hire someone to take care of the children and help out 24/7??
Because you other Mama's would have judged her and she herself would HATE to seem lesser then. Ya'll scare me!
Money is not always the point in life. Her husband was at home
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@@ir9567 no I’m not judging I’m saying if someone else was home then maybe it wouldn’t have happened but either way she killed her children NOT ME!!
@@Kimberly-gi2jj mmm it’s not however she killed her children so there’s no reason nor excuse to do so.
This one is tough as I have struggled with post partum depression and am a pediatric nurse. She was obviously struggling mentally but the fact that she researched methods to end her children's lives and still chose strangulation...I have no words...those children were physically and mentally tortured. Whether it's prison or a mental hospital she needs to be kept away
Right? Not to be too morbid, but she had all those sedatives and stuff. She could've made it easier for them.
God I teared up typing that.
Prison. No matter what they tell you, they release dangerous mental patients. Besides that, she deserves to be punished. I've been through PPD. It's a DARK time of the soul. She KNEW right from wrong, and was not suffering from a disconnect with reality.
@@Fran_Glassnot fast enough. She knew exactly how much time she had left & she couldn’t risk them surviving the pills and not passing away quickly before her husband came home. She had to make sure they were dead
@@jensanchez3646there is a difference between ppd and ppp.
I didn’t really follow the details of this case, but I did the Andrea Yates case.
Andrea’s doctors had not wanted to release her from inpatient care, but her insurance ran out. Her husband had been warned not to leave her alone with the kids. A normally bubbly, friendly good mother was eating cereal right out of the box with her hands and barely speaking when Rusty left.
After the murders, when police questioned her it was clear she thought she was doing a good thing. She was sending them to Heaven while they were still too young to be held accountable for any sins that they may have committed. She wasn’t even putting up much of a defense. Her lawyers were just actually competent,
Definitely had serious, serious mental health issues.
This woman is different. She was able to order food, plan the route, get a phone call from her husband and communicate. If she had hurt just one child I might buy a moment of psychosis. However, it took time to strangle 3 children of that age. I figure she didn’t really intend to hurt herself as badly as she did. The cuts were superficial. Even Darlene Routie (not sure of spelling) almost cut a major artery. Her first concern was call a lawyer.
Did she have some mental health issues? Probably. Way overly medicated, but she seemed pretty competent. I don’t believe her.
My heart aches for Patrick. I don’t know how people go on.
I think she did it on purpose and was trying to use mental health as an excuse. I did from the start and couldn’t fathom people actually giving her some sort of ‘pass’. Despicable woman. I hope the dad is able to get all the help he needs to live as happy life as possible moving forward, people gave VERY generously to the go fund me which should help in him doing so. I do hope he doesn’t stick by the wife though. Very sad story when anyone takes out their children 😢
Me too!
Same with me! Even Annie seemed to be giving her a pass and I was shocked because it was so obvious this was planned
@@mandyleeann2527yeah I didn’t agree with her on the first video at all! I’m no stranger to clinical depression after having children so have somewhat of an insight into deteriorating mental health and no way would I have ever dreamt of hurting my children, myself maybe but not them. If you’re in the throes of bad mental health you DO NOT have the foresight to do all the things she did before and after she murdered them 😢
Same. People were projecting on her. She looked miserable. Already a size 0 after 3 kids..? Relax! Always smiling with gorgeous photos? Sooooo exceeedingly nice? Ew it stunk.
Agreement
I honestly don't know how the husband could say he has forgiven her. I know postpartum depression and psychosis are real, I suffered from depression, but still. I could not forgive my partner if he killed my precious boy.
He wrote that pretty quickly, I’m betting he’s since changed his mind
That's the sunk-cost fallacy in action! He's already lost his children and doesn't want to lose his wife too.
He’s a simp
He forgave her so he could move on in life and try and have peace, that is probably the hardest thing to do, poor guy
You forgive someone for yourself so you can find peace and let go of the anger and resentment. I am curious if he is still married to her.
I'm from MA...my mother went through something similar in the early 70s and much like this woman all they did was pump her full of meds. In the end she took a newborn me out in nothing but a diaper wandering the streets ( she thought the moon dust from an Apollo landing was going to kill all the children ) until my father found us. She ended up in Metropolitan State ( Met State ) Hospital. Where she was repeatedly attacked by other residents that were also extremely ill. I am blessed that we were found.... We need to do better for women and their babies....My heart breaks for everyone in all of this.
That's very unfortunate. But the medications available now are light-years ahead of what they had in the 70s. It's not a fair comparison.
She had it planned, she deserves to be held accountable. It's so sad, especially for the father left to mourn.
And she researched stuff before she did it.
The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why wouldn't she blame a third party or a stranger? If her intention was to never actually end her own life?
This is where o struggle yes planned but by who? When she wasn’t in HER right mind ? This is the part that is so hard unless we could be in their head? I can’t even imagine what it feels to not feel like you?
I agree with you 100 💯 she’s a nurse she knows what that medication will do to her & she used it as an excuse! She killed here children plain and simple
Take note that people having a psychotic break can plan things whilst not in their right mind. It should come down to how her sense of right and wrong was impaired during (during! Not after) the commission of the murders.
I think she is guilty in every possible way. I was astounded at how much support she received in the beginning. She planned this whole thing out and SQUEEZED THE LIFE out of ALL of her children. And then made that ridiculous jump from the second story (not a true attempt on her life, in my opinion). Lock her away. RIP those poor innocent babies.
She was only taking 3 medication at that time, all those other meds had been discontinued. So she was not over medicated.
The whole “I stand with Lindsay” mantra going on in the comments of Annie’s first video on this subject were shocking to me. Hopefully those people have changed their minds by now, including Annie.
@@helensieben3182 thankyou for mentioning this!
Truth! @@helensieben3182
I totally agree. If anyone besides her killed those kids, mental illness or not (which let’s face it, anyone who murders children is not mentally well) would have the book thrown at them. Why is it okay for her? I really don’t understand. If the husband was suffering depression and did the same thing, he would be behind bars with no sympathy.
She knew what she was doing, she tried to cover her tracks poorly. Even if she was struggling with mental health, she was conscious enough to know that she needed an attorney. She knew what the prosecutor was going to look for
I bet she didn’t count on being paralyzed after jumping. Those poor kids. Just horrifying! Thank you to Annie Elise and her researchers for the videos she puts out. ❤
I feel the same thing. I believe in my heart that this was planned. Once all of the facts are brought out, it's gonna get intense. I can not shake this feeling in my gut that this is a sinister case.
@jenniferhastings5330 hearing that there was evidence she didn't jump, but hung and slid down or whatever is telling to me that she didn't really want to die. I can see things from the opinion you have. I csn also relate to many other opinions. This one is tough.
@@jenniferhastings5330 Agreed! Very sinister indeed.
This case is tough. I believe she knew what she was doing but yet evidence shows otherwise. I believe she is suicidal only because she became aware of what she did. Maybe she was in shock at first and that's why she didn't show any emotions. But yet she was in the right mind to ask about a lawyer which gives the idea she knew what she did. Tough.
@@KitKatB83 Absolutely! I don’t believe she wanted to die either.
Poor, poor Patrick. I hope he finds peace and happiness in his life;I don’t know how you even begin to move on after something like this. 🙏
Time, it's the only thing you can count on in life besides change. Time will make it less of a memory and it may all fade and then just be recall at some point, hopefully he will get to that pint where he actually has to remember.
Yes, I feel for him so much. He lost everything 😢
He forgave her already for what she did; speaks volumes on what type of man he is! I truly hope he can recover from the trauma.
Amen. May These babies Rest In Peace, God Bless.🙏🏼
Regardless of the outcomes of this, I think we should all remember how quickly, how graciously women wrapped their hearts around this situation. So many women, people, were brave enough to tell their own stories. We may never know how Lindsey really felt or if she planned this, but I think we do all know more now. We know we are not or were not alone. Anyone who was brave enough to share their story, i am so proud of you and i thank you for being a voice for others 💛
Best comment so far!
This is an excellent point!
Awe I love this message. The silver lining. Using these tragedies to tell our stories so good can come of the future. That is why these things happen. They suck, but we must all grow from it and help each other.
Thank you for saying this. Reading thru the comments it caught be off guard but it means alot, something maybe I didn't know I needed to hear.
I was extremely grateful for Annie’s video about her personal experience. It can truly happen to anyone, and we need to know we aren’t alone.
I could never. My children are my world. I suffered miscarriages, I literally begged and prayed to God for my kids. Idk how some women do this. 😢
I'm happy for you that you were able to have healthy children, they make life magical. I had fertility issues for years, and I had an ectopic pregnancy rupture four years ago so I thought that I'd never have children. Luckily, my son was born in July of this year and he is the most amazing baby and being his Mom has been the most fulfilling experience of my life. My partner and I feel lucky every single day that we get to spend loving our little guy. I could never hurt a hair on his head I just can't comprehend how anyone could harm their child. Best wishes for a happy healthy life to you and your family!
My wife is the sweetest most loving lady and mother I’ve ever seen she would never hurt anyone especially our children but after she had our /bc she got a major case of ppd and she was in and out of psychosis for months and one day I came home and found her and my kids sitting in her car with the garage door closed and the car running. She had planned on dying or carbon monoxide poisoning. I was able to catch it in time and get all of them out of there. She was sent to a institution and got the help she needed. Just like with this lady there were days we thought everything was better and she was fine but she was silently suffering. These things happen. This poor lady will live with what she did but doesn’t need to be prosecuted she’s not a cold blooded murderer she’s a victim as well.
I suffered and still suffer infertility. It took me over two years to get pregnant with my daughter. I thought I would be the happiest mom in the world to finally get my baby after so much heartache. I wasn't. I had severe PPD, I had the intrusive, awful thoughts...I didn't act on them, but everyone is different and sometimes it is so severe that yes, this does happen. When your brain isn't working properly, you are completely out of control, out of character. Those who have never experienced PPD won't understand, and be happy you don't, because it is dark, and it is scary.
I don't understand it either. But if she really was suffering from PPD or PPP I think we need to be careful on the judgment. It sounds like an absolutely awful thing to go through, and I'm glad I didn't experience it beyond "baby blues".
Women need to feel comfortable talking about and seeking help for PPD. If they understand it's normal, maybe they'll seek help before it gets worse. Before, it leads to something like this.
@@samanthabennison8942 👏 I love that you openly speak about your experience. All moms need to know that it's common to have PPD, they can get help for it and they have zero reason to feel guilty about it.
I have a fairly extensive mental health history and as a person who was very close to successful in my attempt (like calling my family suggesting they come because they were unsure I was going to make it) I 100% think her behavior tracks. I don't believe anyone stressing the fact that her behavior that day was normal has much understanding. Because that's exactly what you do. I tried very hard to act normal, even as if I was improving so those around me would relax, less alert. If someone asked how I was doing I would smile and tell them things are getting better. I got up that day as normal. Made sure I was well put together, dressed nicely for work - don't want to look like you're losing it after all. Went into the day smiling, upbeat, held morning meeting, isn't it a nice day outside? Waited for everyone to move along, distracted with their own things. I planned long in advance, I was going for success. I took time considering the options, which one I felt I would be able to follow through. You know it might not work, or even worse not work and you end up doing severe damage, trapping yourself in a living hell. There's a reason people choose different methods. Just the stats between men and women are evidence of that. The first method she tried wasn't going to work so she tried another. If anything I think that shows true intent. The fact that she was researching and planned - that's why the questions include are you having thoughts, do you have any plans, do you have means to access? The difference is she included her children, but I think she saw them as an extention of her own plans. As far as medications go - you are basically a guinea pig in a guessing game. If you are that person prescribed the right one on the first try you don't know how lucky you are. Medications don't = you are now fixed. They don't all work for everyone, some even make it worse. Some take weeks to become effective, you don't know if they are helpful or harmful right away. The fact that she racked up that list in a short amount of time, whether taking all of them or only now on a few, suggests to me the medications they gave her weren't working so they attempted another, and another. If she is found not guilty by insanity it's not like she just walks away scott free I don't know why people are acting like she wouldn't have consequences. She will still be locked up, just with access to care she needs. Inmates in a normal prison recieve needed indivdualized care, why shouldn't she? Sorry I know that was really long but I think it's important for ppl to understand.
I get your opinion. And agree with you. For people who have been affected by their mental health, and want to cause an end, it is somewhat planned. She was crying out for help. I don't think she should ever be back in the free population, but she will always be trapped in her mental heath now anyways.
Hope you’re in a good place now. Thanks for giving a different perspective. Makes sense to me.
Yes. If you know you know. Period. People who don’t know, don’t know. I am not at all shocked that she had a well researched plan.
I also found the various comments "she was having one of her best days" and "she was doing so much better lately" probably come from people with no understanding. I can't tell you how many times I have sucked it up and pretended to be happy for others' sake.
Im a 32 year old mother and I too, have an extensive mental health history. I've been trying different Medications for my bipolar depression, insomnia, adhd and anxiety for 16 years ( also got terrible postpartum anxiety) just got to a stable regimen
My question is, are you saying she is guilty, should be found guilty, and imprisoned or that she should not be?
It's honestly a real question
Just curious
She didn’t wake up and ask “where are my children? Are my children okay?” She woke up and asked “do I need an attorney?” this was premeditated cold blooded murder!
My thoughts exactly!! 🙌🏽
I agree 💯
That is a fair point. But then again, that's just an opinion.
She may have asked. As it was worded, “one of the first thingS (emphasizing that S), she asked.” So therefore, we don’t know if it was exactly the FIRST thing she asked, or was it asked after she asked a couple other questions?
How do you know what she said or what was asked prior to her asking if she needed a lawyer? The prosecutor said shortly after she “woke up.” Why the hell was she being questioned by LE while intubated?
I think two things can be true at the same time. She could have had psychosis and she preplanned the murders. She was sick either way if she “meant” it or not. She needs to be locked up either way.
EXACTLY 100% my thoughts as well
This...
Exactly my thoughts as well.
Agree
She wouldn’t have pre planned her children’s murders if she was having psychosis..it is an extremely disorganized thought and behavior process.
I believed in the postpartum depression right up until the point where she sent her husband to go get takeout.
She was lucid enough to ask for a menu and lucid enough to place an order.
I believe that these murders were premeditated.
Same here, I had PPD and as someone who hates opening about my feelings I knew that this was serious and made sure to have a support system around me until I felt better.
I am taking no side..but wondering if the mental illness..depression..psychosis with so much medicine allows for to premeditate as another sign of the illness unlike other crimes with no illness again..not taking up for her..just asking if the illness "allows " for premeditation??? Thanks
Premeditation does not mean that it isn’t PPD. One does not discount the other.
@@thecarpenterswife881 She could have PPD but be criminally responsible because she knew perfectly well what she was doing.
Hubby had started working from home. She devises a plan for him to leave the house, in the form of takeout food, with some time added on by asking for something from the drugstore. Sounds pretty lucid.
I think the mental health issue is irrelevant, she needs to be held accountable either way.
Yep!!! at the end of any day, 3 children are gone and that won’t change, so mentally ILL or postpartum she needs to be never let out!!!😢😢
Exactly
Exactly ! She had every opportunity to let her husband know she was thinking crazy stuff! Especially when he called ! And why is that , when someone does something it’s mental issues, why does having mental issues automatically causes someone to commit murder ! That’s doesn’t make sense
I dealt with ppd with my first child. And with the added difficulty of being 18 yrs old and in an abusive relationship. There wasn’t the awareness then that there is now and I didn’t know why I was feeling so disconnected until much later. It felt as though I was living someone else’s life. I had thoughts of suicide and I specifically remember wanting to drive head on into oncoming traffic on a couple of occasions and once being pulled over for erratic driving and the cop giving me just a warning. Thankfully all 3 of my children are alive and well today, but I will always harbor the guilt of my thoughts and actions then. Women need more support after childbirth. There needs to be affordable or even free help available. Something more than pills and talk therapy.
If she woke up and wrote “do i need an attorney”, she is fully aware of what she did!
Well she also woke up to an officer standing there and in a hospital. I’m not saying she is innocent by any means but waking up out of a coma to an officer and in a hospital would probably make anyone think “what did I do?” Especially her since she was having these horrible homicidal and suicidal thoughts
Yeah, no coma@@lovabledork23
@@lovabledork23I agree. If I woke up & an officer were there, and I was clearly being monitored. I’d be wondering wtf happened. Though it’s no excuse & these poor poor babies 😭
She was in ICU, there were no cops inside her room...
@@lovabledork23 no where does it say that she “woke up to an officer”. It says she wrote on a whiteboard to the hospital asking if she needed an attorney. An an RN that works in the ER and ICU it’s not typical for officers to be in a room with a patient. They are outside of the room on guard unless the patient is combative or they need a reason to be in the room. She was paralyzed and sedated. No reason to be in there. Now if they went into question her then maybe but it still wouldn’t be my first thought if I’m waking up with wires all over me, hospitalized, intubated, and not knowing what the hell just happened. Make it make sense! Who does that?
Cora was the sweetest girl 🤍 I know she is up in heaven making new friends. It was a true honor teaching her when I had.
You were Cora’s teacher?
@@KeekoLane I wasn’t her school teacher but one of her extracurricular teachers!
This is just an unbelievable case!!! Like I said in my post, she's guilty!!!
Sorry for your loss. 💐
when I heard the names Cora & Dawson, I thought “oh, she loved the movie Titanic.”
Sounds like they were bred / born into a house of love. Things change & we don’t know what we don’t know. Such a tragedy.
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I feel so bad for the children but my heart really goes out to her husband- so many women don't have support but she did and I'm sure he felt like he was doing everything he could for her. Just Terrible
Husband shouldn't have left his mentally ill wife alone with the children.. what are you talking about??
@ryansack5198 not all kids are hurt by that type of mom
@@ryansack5198 A lot of people suffer from mental illness & don’t go on to commit acts of violence. I’m sure he never in his wildest dreams thought this happening was ever even within the realm of possibilities. It sounds like at the very most he thought she could potentially be a danger to herself, but probably never imagined that she would attempt to take her own life with children present, I’m sure he never in 1 million years thought she would harm their babies. Typically someone has to be extremely ill for their loved ones to consider them being dangerous.
The psychosis thing doesn't fly because she absolutely understood what she was doing as she had the cognitive ability to look up how long the trip to the restaurant and pharmacy would take her husband. Now, was she mentally ill although she knew what she was doing? Absolutely. But being mentally ill doesn't mean you should get away with murder.
My baby was two weeks old when this happened, I was devastated because he scratched his own face and I felt so guilty…. This is incomprehensible
One of my kids has the same name as one of these children. I can't even listen without sobbing
So, so disheartening.
Both of y'all have such blessed babies!
It takes a village! I only wish these precious babies, AND their mother, had such a village to lean on!
We, as women, should be responsible enough to hold each other up!!!
As a nurse, she should have known that Valium and Klonopin shouldn't be taken together as well as Ambien & Trazodone.
Ativan, Valium, and Klonopin are all benzos. Although I agree she should have known better than to take all three, but why was she prescribed with all three in the 1st place?
It doesn’t matter if you’re a nurse, doctor or layman, if a psychiatrist prescribes meds that he/she says will take away intrusive thoughts, you’ll take whatever is prescribed. PPD/PPP doesn’t discriminate: It affects all races and socioeconomic classes.