Just to give you a heads up the classes Handler, Summoner, and Engineer are getting some nice buffs in the upcoming patch. This will likely help boost the lower tier classes especially the ones based around minions.
Omg...finally. I was messing around recently with a full minions build and at best the summons with all possible buffs did the same dmg as my Sparkfire shotgun without any buffs....but at slower speed / fire rate. Honestly I would have rated Summoner even below Explorer. Since the Summoner is kinda useless imo even as a secondary class. (except for absorbing dmg in a tank Build) Explorer has at least Gold Digger for nice buffs and the Scavanger perk for some additional dmg.
Engineer Prime, Medic Secondary - Lean into Health Regen with gear, its a really hard class combo to get killed, sure damage suffers a bit and fights aren't quite as fast but damn can you tank boss hits on Apoc no problem.
I remember when the devs were first showing off the classes and as soon as I saw “+25% passive damage” I knew no matter what that medic was just going to be great to use regardless if you are using your build to heavily focus around healing or not. The fact that it doesn’t even need to be your prim to get the effect is just icing on the cake.
Honestly I would put medic as the strongest archetype in the game. It's literally good with any other perk, and it doesn't even need to be the main perk for it to be good. It synergizes perfectly with all the other perks. And to top it off, it's archetype trait is also one of the best. I think Sheen should have also spoke about the archetype traits a bit, because while you can use any of them (once you max the archetype), the traits from the used archetypes are "free" in that you don't have to put points into them, and you can use your trait points for stuff you really want. Conversely, if one of the archetypes has a crap trait, you're stuck with it, so IMO this aspect is also quite important. With this in mind, IMO there are some bad archetype traits, like the alchemist which is more or less useless. Consumables last 100% longer, which ironically makes much more of a difference with the quick consumables like Ambit Ember or Gul Serum, which normally last 60s. The problem with this trait is that you can literally get it's effects even if you don't use it (have a loadout with alchemist + the necklace that gives an additional 50% consumable duration, pop your long term buff (or buffs with brewmaster's), switch back to your loadout). Another pretty bad one is Kingship from the handler, though it can be used in a few builds where you just blow everything up, including yourself, while taking no damage. Strong back is pretty cool, but kind of situational. I mean it's good on builds that don't use heavy armor, but if you do, the only benefit is that with lvl 10 strong back you hit a breakpoint where with full leto II you are just heavy (as opposed to very heavy). If you plan on using leto I, then you need to use something else anyway, or you're going to use stuff where being superheavy doesn't matter anyway, like the mist dash. Flash caster is another one that I find useless. I've tried it, but personally I've never been in a situation where I thought I need my mod and skills to have a faster animation. IMO this is the worst archetype trait. Swiftness is IMO the best of the worst archetype traits. Sure it literally helps with any build, but it's more or less just marginal improvements.
Healing is always super nice. In the first game I sometimes took the class that started with it just to use the healer rift more often. Makes it easy to run with teams as you can save all your relics for revives.
Explorer gets a 30% all dmg buff, he has one of the best defensive skill in game and he provides more ressources (that includes ammo) for the whole team. Yes, the Prime isn't great but you can use any archetype with explorer as a secondary and it will synergize perfectly with any build. Explorer's strength is its versatility and speed, don't underestimate that.
This. Was my daily driver when the game came out. Carried me through the whole game on every difficulty. Eventually was able to up my DPS to about 9k (even 12k with a friend who used a buff xD) on the dolls, which is realistically more like 7k dps ingame since you also have do dodge and shit.
That's actually a pretty good combo now that you mention it! Using quickdraw, the loaded prime perk negates two of the three weaknesses of the bonesaw: slow reload and limited reserve ammo. The low cool down of quickdraw means you are guaranteed another free, instant reload before you can spend your current mag. I like this strategy using the western classic to truly channel my inner cowboy haha.
@averosc9890, it's also perfectly viable for giving the Sparkfire unlimited ammo and nullifying its semi-slow reload. Plus, the lever action shotty makes for an aesthetically pleasing pair with the twirly revolver.
or just use hugs with bulletstorm + corrosive bullets that ur using anyways to either reload faster or just instantly reload AND u get the insane damage buff from bulletstorm instead of shooting some pasta noodle
The way he described the last one was a ad tv😂. I was waiting for him to talk say " but wait there's more" and " and you can have this too with two payments of 29.99.
Check out the Batman build. You consume like 6 potions. There’s two shield rings that work exceedingly well together. Plus the merciless, the blood soaked ring, and the hardcore metal band. If you get knocked to the ground, you will be fully healed by the time you get back up. On any difficulty.
thanks for the list! I'm surprised you ranked Gunslinger so low, otherwise I agree 100%. Gunslinger's increased ammo reserves, fire rate and reload speed increases, and of course bulletstorm just make it so useful. Yeah, it's not flashy but Gunslinger gives you so many QoL improvements it's an easy A tier for me. I'd love for you to do a Multi-class tier list, although that may be too daunting. Maybe just a top 10..... because the multiclass ranking is really what matters.
Ya Gunslinger is tough. Amazing for ranged builds, but it has extremely low versatile overall. Multiclass ranking is a great idea that I might look into.
I just did whatever sounded fun. Ended up using Challenger and gunslinger. I'm going to be changing that soon. I swap my main weapon constantly anyway and the challenger stomp mixed with the free revive is too good.
Invader/Challenger with Wormhole/Juggernaut, max SKD, Spectral Blade and Dying Ember is Apocalypse easy mode for all but a few bosses. You're always at 5 SHARK stacks and always getting +300% damage, plus you're always lifestealing to offset the 15% health drain from Burden of the Stargazer.
I agree with most of these except for handler I think it should be higher than summoner and lower than gunslinger. Handler provides a lot of utility to what ever you wanna do, wether if it is more healing or more damage or less enemy aggression towards you. Though you do make a good argument that the dog dies and you can’t use half your kit but the dog isn’t out the entire fight, it will eventually get back up and do it’s thing again which doesn’t take very long either. And there are ways you help it take less damage by just using relics and traits accordingly, meaning don’t use blood bond, it’s the worst trait to use it on handler don’t use it guys 😂
I have a fantastic build for archetype summons that provide good survivability for both you and summons, great damage from both you and summons, and overall a lot of fun. It all depends on what you got as your prime perk. I personally like using summoner prime perk with handler or archon, put on nightweaver grudge or the neck bone, use atonement fold, and the summon rings for bulwark and lifesteal off summon damage and boom. The most important traits to use for my build are blood bond, kinship, and rugged. This maximizes the uptime of the ruthless prime perk while the bleed from atonement doesn’t kill the summons too quickly
Summoner offers more versatility than handler, especially with medic, which together makes a nearly invincible character. Two of the three summons for summoner can deal with ranged or flying enemies, whereas your dog is basically a liability that you need to babysit so it doesn’t die or you lose every single buff for the rest of the fight. That is time better spent healing yourself, doing damage, or avoiding attacks. If you really need buffs as the summoner, you can summon the minion again. You can’t summon your dog. Medic and alchemist will always be better for healing and revives, and several classes have better options for damage. Handler falls into a weird jack of all trades, master of none, position. Handler is S-tier for roleplaying, D-tier for build optimization.
Quite a good list i may have expected some classes may have moved up or down a tier. Next, list the combo classes tier lists and their respective potentials. 😌👌
@@SheenShots I’ve gotta say that I never really felt it was too Tanky of a build from the get go. I don’t think I properly utilised the class to how it should’ve been, still my primary for leveling and trying the other classes
I've been looking for the best armour set-up but there are no videos on armour in the game. A mix n match is probably the way to go- that would be a cool video!
Explorer is actually S tier in my apocalypse run Instead of slogging my way through a zone, I simply switch to my explorer build and just run towards the quest objective A zone that might have taken me 5 or 10 minutes to fight my way through normally took me only like a minute or two Saved me a lot of time
My opinion for begginers, with main weapoms and no rings, amulets etc... The bests class are : Challenger and Dog Guy (Domador in Spanish my country). Only this two class got the best pasive in all class. Challenger got "auto-revive". Dog Guy got "Dog revive you". In your first level. Caused Medic or other class need level 5 or 10 to get a good hability. Weapons: Challenger bulldog is so good Dog guy AR-47, is one of the best main weapons. The other class you can probe for example in Yaesha world. Pick Hunter and eat 2 hits of lizzards enemies, and you are near to die, and i say un easiest level. And other class, with 3 hits, are die. Challenger need 6 hits Dog guy 5. If you dont believe me, you can probe. And dog in coop, got big options like: Reduced 80% friendly fire. More speed for allies More revive speed and dog can revive allies. I think Dog guy is in A or S tier
Bro the dog is so tanky, if the dog goes down a lot that’s on you. Ngl some of your takes are just not it man, dog takes aggro, is tanky, can proc bleed has decent skills and you’re telling me it’s the second worst class in the game? Jusy no
@@nunchuksteev9811 With Summoner, all you have to do to keep them alive is take a relic when their health gets low, and they get 5% health regen. Not sure if that works with Handler. My Engineer/Summoner is the only build I ever use with Venom in Apo.
I play apocalypse but mostly nightmare. My favourite build is my handler hunter builds. I find it's rare my dog goes down, and I only put like 5 levels into rugged
Nice video glad we got creators like you making content for this game don’t worry about the hate on this vid. Remnant is fun cause you can do anything you want and play, people are hating cause they got a favorite archetype that isn’t the most efficient which is they don’t have to be game would be boring if everyone ran the the same build. You were objective good video!
Tier list videos always make it tough to agree with everyone lol. Because so much of what makes things good are based on how you like to play the game.
I just love how this tier list is the complete opposite of those tier list recommended by those game article on the internet. Which proof the devs did a great job with the classes.
Most game articles are also considering early game more than anything else which factors in. For example, the Handler is easily one of the weakest classes overall, but probably one of the two best to start with since free revive and agro. Where your at in the game definitely affects how you feel about the classes. Which is perfectly fine honestly. You need a good class early and late game so good balancing in different areas.
Challenger main, Hunter second, few points in health regen from Summoner. Shielded Heart. Rings: health regen on sprint and mod use, gunslinger ring. You become a dps master and can keep yourself alive by shielding before death then super regen, and have the Challenger self save. It’s an aggressive ranged player build for solo play. Works great in multiplayer as well
My favorite class pairing in the game is still Archon/Summoner for a true summon build with Space Crabs and Ring of Swords, the power is mainly in the mods but damn does it dish out strong and consistent damage to 90% of the enemies in the game and it does it without killing your incompetent teammates with Firestorm.
Massive buff and crit fix for engineer, and handler getting fixed to keep all bonuses even when dog is down, and summons getting major buff, several fixes, and explosion getting a massive damage increase…all with the next patch
I started as a challenger and went straight for the medic secondary. I found a video that shows how to get the Chicago type writer and Leto armor and I have nearly no problem beating whatever I come up against. I saw another build for apocalypse that is a challenger and ritualist which is what I’m gonna eventually shoot for. I love when a boss gets in my face and I pop juggernaut and beat their brains in. It’s kind of like I’m running a paladin build now but with a ritualist it will be a death knight which I always loved those classes in DnD
Summons -- both dog and summoner-- also take damage for you outside of actual hits, which is probably why they're dying fast if you don't have the DR to lower that. They are really good classes when speced for, helping keep you alive (and they heal from relics too), and Summoners main trait-- regrowth-- is nice regen so worth leveling for that alone. If you play with friends, Handler's lowering friendly-fire damage is also really good. I'd level them and see how they play for you.
I have progressively improved over years of trying but my "trash-ness" is part of the reason i play summon classes Despite what videos like this say about strength, I just feel safer having my little minions pick off enemies. An added bonus if you aren't situationally aware is the minions make noise when they attack and have a pretty good range so it helps with jump scares and hidden enemies. If not minions, I go support and play online!
I just leveled all archetypes to max. This game is so fun! I like using Archon prime with Ritualist secondary for mod and elemental build right now. Miasma probably is my favorite skill.
found this video finally and it was very informative i appreciate it HOWEVER i wonder if you could do the teir list again a bit different. when we combine two archetypes, we unlock a new one (example Engineer with Challenger gives us Sentinel) and i wonder if a tier list would be more accurate if it was made with THOSE classes in mind than just these archetypes on their own.
I'm using a Summoner/Alchemist build, and it's very fun. Stacking consumables and buffs for all allies (including summons) while using my flyers to watch my back is a decent combo. I play it as a dps support role and I'm happy with it.
Dude, can't wait for some dlc. I'm sure you can't either. Could use some content gas in the tank lol. I really appreciate you and chaos gaming for the vids. N teaming up for a down n out challenge? Fym?!? Showcasing builds done right. Gg's
my charracter was pretty tanky as a summoner and warden. due to the ring i was wearing. I had 6 stacks of bulwark plus shields. I used the flyers and just tapped them with my secondary every now and then to keep the buff going and not do much damage and if they got to 50% health id hit them with the healing shot. great class if you can micromanage. plus more entity means attention is split up more and not focused on you as much when other enemies are around.
first class was the gunsinger and every build i use i have the gunslinger attached. its a class that just makes all guns feel better and thanks to me learning to dodge, dip, lop and dodge..... im pretty much skilled to make it the top class archtype it deserves. its not showy but it does its job.
Thank you for the video! I barely got the game today and definitely wanna play as the challenger cause i love the character's design. Hearing him being S tier makes me happy, and the way i see the challenger is that is more of a assualt/breacher class cause i notice aside from melee, the challenger blast people woth shotgun.
With summoner, I think you're understating it's prime perk. For example, if you have the big root reaver guy out, all you need to do is have a weapon that has a very low damage level and drop a single bullet on it. A legit pinch of damage. The ability not only causes them to attack harder, attack quicker and _move_ quicker. Combine this with a relic like Lifeless Heart and your buff prep involves shooting your dudes once or twice then using Lifeless Heart. The Root Reaver does a decent chunk of damage, yet the fliers are definitely higher on DPS. Their attack patterns also change while enraged, all of them doing more complicated attacks while it is active.
The main problem with it is that on its own it is useful. Yet when compared with any other prime perk there are 0 reasons to take it. Especially with skill builds the way they are now. Engineer as prime is way better overall and honestly more fun. Then you have invoker which is definitely better since you get double skills. The perk would need to affect all summons on the field including mod summons and have a subclass you could add in more summons with. Right now its just there to be used because you want to use it. Sadly there is always a better option.
Hard to say when the game is always introducing some minor bug that makes one much better than the other but I would personally say World's Edge, Stonebreaker, Hero's Sword and Krell Axe are definitely top melee weps and have great versatility.
Keep in mind that all of these evaluations are subjective to the players style. Personally, I found the handler to be top notch, as along as you DO NOT put points into the class card that transfers a high % of the damage you take to the dog, and learn to avoid damage like a big boy lol- also, the dog takes less than 2 seconds to rez. That dog makes some very difficult bosses doable on high levels simply because the self-revive, active heal (second skill), aggro distraction, and remote team battle rez are unparalleled in survival of some bosses. Like all of these classes, the dog is a tool that can be invaluable to those who know how to use him- He can turn the battlefield into a shooting gallery for you- especially if you keep him alive and healed. I think you had it right in the first 45 seconds when you said that each class is meant for a different purpose- and they are bloody good at that purpose.
Pair Archon with invoker and you got the skill Dmg you need. Go chaos form. Stack cool down reduction and you got infinite chaos form. Also run a lot HP reg with traits and relic and you don't need to heal with active relic. Go nebula /firestorm/sandstorm as mods. Activate mods, go chaos form and enjoy. At least til nightmare I crushed everything. Didn't tried apo yet.
9:39 This very much reminds me of Outriders. I was seeing some inspiration from this game, like adding mods and mutators to the weapons. Outriders is definitely the inferior product however.
i just finished the game couple days ago picked medic since in remnant 1 the similar ex-cultist class did an awesome job, medic allowed me to go round the game in veteran mode pretty easy i even killed one or 2 bosses just going to a corner casting the healing AOE skill and star there hitting the boss in the late-ending game got some rings that regenerate HP whenever i got a shield on me so this made the last boss a walk in the park but i do miss the summon weapon mods those were the best
I will say this, yes the summoner prime perk is MOSTLY useless, however there are certain cases where you can make use of it, for example the melee flail that creates a sand cyclone activates the damage bonus on the minions but does 0 damage to them, making a summoner/Challenger combo somewhat viable imo
I use bubble a lot too. It does have a lot of usefulness for defense. My main concern was that it feels kind of odd for archon since it has nothing to do with mods. Archons skills are simply put... all over the place lol.
@@SheenShots Totally agree. Archon skills definitely don't really fit in.. chaos gate is not worth it imo and havoc form is cool but I personally like 'all builds' compared to specialized builds
Little Tidbit that I will add about the engineer, they also have the ability to work well with melee builds; Holding the overclocked turret is like having the strongest melee weapon in the game.
For Gunslinger, I'd give some credit to Sidewinder as well. It is a VERY niche skill, but on a setup such as Sureshot-Widowmaker, it outputs a TON of damage in a short amount of time. Quickdraw... Yeah, it's not great since it doesn't synergize with the rest of the class.
Eplorer + Handler with dice necklace and that one ring for scrap pickups makes famring for scrap easy. Just run around one of the burning dungeons in Losom on survivor, ignore mobs with the AoE Katana
I’m gonna be controversial and say I think medic should be above challenger. For my playstyle I would rather have the reliable healing over a once every 10 min revive
I can't drop alchemist. I don't know why I feel so glued to the class. I know it's not enjoyed by many but I honestly like how I can customize the classes "perks" via concoctions. While other classes are locked into specifics, I can (for a price sadly) adopt a plethora of traits to tailor my experience a little more. Late game I feel like I can basically do anything I want, even when playing solo. 95% of my time playing this game has the "Spirited" prefix.
Alchemist is the most unique class in terms of customization. You can make so many different tank builds with it with all of them feeling a bit different each time. Also one of the few ways to get max DR and still deal amazing damage at the same time. Heck with life steal the way it is now you almost can't die as an alchemist. And all three skills can be swapped out depending on the situation which adds to its versatility. Then don't even start on the team capabilities. Straight up broken for support with how many buffs you offer everyone.
The forgotten kingdom dlc added a mod that plants a bunch of bouncing betties on the ground that deal heavy status damage. Using that plus Mirage long gun's tornado destroys everything especially with the aoe size trait and ritualist
This is unfortunanlty a goofy problem with the devs. They keep modifying aspects of havoc form over and over. Right now it doesn't not hit her at all as far as I can tell.
@@SheenShots Appreciate the fast reply! Was that back when Amplitude/Resonance maybe boosted that for some reason? Yeah I tried Havoc Form for boss rush a few days ago, and man it's so inconsistent. Also can't hit the Corruptor when he's resurrecting the Golem, for example. Annoying.
Combine handler and Summoner, and you have not only a tanky dog, you'll have Tanky Summons. Meaning you can shoot the summons and only deal anywhere from 21 to 249 damage to the summons.
11:42 unless you are doing a purr tank build with challenger engineer. Then its amazing as a secondary perk [tho with warden now its not as good for it] Using the mechanical cog and just bull rushing eneimes holding their aggro with a massive guass cannon or lmg is amazingly fun
early game Handler/Medic worked well for me. Mid game been doing best with Engineer/Warden and Phetyr armor set using Enigma and Nightfall/Monarch as weapons. I tried maxxed out Summoner, Invoker and Archon but too weak and squishy and kept getting steamrolled and one shotted no matter how I played or how many rings/amulets. Max armor buffed with Twisted Idol amulet is great.
My ritualist build is pretty insane. 1 krell axe throw does like 30K damage over time on its own and when I use 1 mag of each gun, my mods 1 time and my skills 1 time, I do 95K over 60s most in status effect damage, on a single target. My axe does electric, corrosion and bleed at the same time.
Get your skill cooldown to maximum (80%) and Wormhole can be used every seven seconds, with two charges each cooling down separately. Pair this with spectral blade to capitalize on that MASSIVE 300% damage boost in a MASSIVE AOE (with Resonance) and you have a clone-dropping, unhittable, burst AOE monster. Your second class can be anything else that takes advantage of max skill cooldown. For instance: use Medic and put Dervish on the sword so melee hits after Wormhole are even stronger, and kills reduce active cooldowns by a further 5%. This can get you near perma uptime on shield, making you and your team virtually unkillable. Not to mention it's soooooo fucking fun to play!
Just go anything melee. Invader prime. Challenger secondary. Bisected ring, probability cord, burden of the gambler, brawlers pride. Wormhole was made for melee is is extremely easy to use with it as well.
explorer is probably one of the best for me...that fast sprint less stamina skill is probably one of the best skills in the game for boss fights and exploring
The only take i disagree with is Gunslinger. And i feel like you didn't actually build around it with weapons. One of the biggest benefits of the gunslinger is the increased rate of fire. If you aren't utilizing the fact that you can basically turn high damage semi-auto guns into fully auto guns, then you are basically wasting the class' potential. Give me an invader gunslinger and a nightfall or lever gun. I will first try the final boss on apocalypse every time
engeneer turret bullets help you get more mod charge, so it works good with mod spam builds ass a secondary class. You can stack up to 3 fire tornados with the turret and you shooting at the same time.
You could also build a different subclass like invoker or archon & get it back even faster while also not losing out on 2nd skill dps. Not the engi turret isn't dps, but if engi isn't primary the damage is not really worth the skill slot on higher difficulties & if you're going for mod builds there's much better synergies. However, all that said, it's nice that engi builds do get mod regen from the turret
Oh it is fantastic no doubt. Hard for me to move it up however as each class above it is so good. It has the best relic perk in the game though I know that much.
I know summoner isn't the best, but I love mixing it with Challenger and anything movement speed related so I can confusefriends why someone in the full Leto set is running at the same speed as a hunter. The ring hat gives you haste with healing (In which summoner constantly heals a little) is great for just speeding through an area you've already done
Best 2 classes are engineered and challenger and stacking the shield and healing rings you're basically immortal. I'm on apolopyse rn and it's the only one u can use for some of these random bosses u get especially the ones that heal when you use a relic
I use the the summoner with the Atonement Fold Ring and the Blood Bond Trait and it keeps your summons with the boost. Maybe not OP but it is pretty fun. (Mind Healing of course)
For handler i feel that they should have gone further and let you get new companions to use or maybe gearnor something. You can make the dog tanky on apoc, but it basically takes all of your mod, ring, ... etc slots to make it work. Even then, its better when supporting others
Yes, however it is tough to play. Because the best explosive builds are archon/summoner and its not even remotely close. Now if your explosives aren't mod related maybe there's something to that but that would not be very common to find. Could work for thorn I think.
I must admit my main build was a engineer and summoner..back when the turret was a minion(heard it wasn't anymore) so I could be in Leto MK2 and have all the damage resistance from 3 summons being out
In defense of the summoner the rage that these summons can have is proportional and how much damage they take no you can actually set up a simple build by increasing your passive health regeneration than having the skill that that links yoyr summon to you and lets you share health regeneration with them and your damage you take, then equip the ring that causes minor passive bleed, and your summon is a infinite state of rage and heals faster than the 0 to 1 point of damage they take per second if you focus on a healer summoner build, a reaver is Insane with this, even in apocalypse as they heal faster than they can be hurt, and if You have the void heart that gives you More passive health regen, they become even harder to kill
The dog is really nice in an explosion build like starshot and the detonator amulett. Bc its reducing the dmg you receive from your own explosions by 90% or so. It just trivialized my very first run (is was nightmare difficulty). Probably not the best for endgame but pretty important to consider in a tierlist video imo..
Yes, the trait is amazing for mod builds. However, it is not required to even use Handler for you to equip the trait. Which makes that much less of a factor.
Just to give you a heads up the classes Handler, Summoner, and Engineer are getting some nice buffs in the upcoming patch. This will likely help boost the lower tier classes especially the ones based around minions.
Omg...finally. I was messing around recently with a full minions build and at best the summons with all possible buffs did the same dmg as my Sparkfire shotgun without any buffs....but at slower speed / fire rate. Honestly I would have rated Summoner even below Explorer. Since the Summoner is kinda useless imo even as a secondary class. (except for absorbing dmg in a tank Build) Explorer has at least Gold Digger for nice buffs and the Scavanger perk for some additional dmg.
It would be nice if you could take a relic while carrying with Engineer as prime.
Where did you get this info from? I cant find it anywhere
HOW DO I KNOW IF ITS A PRIME OR SUB CLASS? WHICH SIDE IS WHICH? ALSO WHY DOES IT MATTER?
Engineer Prime, Medic Secondary - Lean into Health Regen with gear, its a really hard class combo to get killed, sure damage suffers a bit and fights aren't quite as fast but damn can you tank boss hits on Apoc no problem.
I remember when the devs were first showing off the classes and as soon as I saw “+25% passive damage” I knew no matter what that medic was just going to be great to use regardless if you are using your build to heavily focus around healing or not. The fact that it doesn’t even need to be your prim to get the effect is just icing on the cake.
Honestly I would put medic as the strongest archetype in the game.
It's literally good with any other perk, and it doesn't even need to be the main perk for it to be good. It synergizes perfectly with all the other perks.
And to top it off, it's archetype trait is also one of the best.
I think Sheen should have also spoke about the archetype traits a bit, because while you can use any of them (once you max the archetype), the traits from the used archetypes are "free" in that you don't have to put points into them, and you can use your trait points for stuff you really want. Conversely, if one of the archetypes has a crap trait, you're stuck with it, so IMO this aspect is also quite important.
With this in mind, IMO there are some bad archetype traits, like the alchemist which is more or less useless. Consumables last 100% longer, which ironically makes much more of a difference with the quick consumables like Ambit Ember or Gul Serum, which normally last 60s. The problem with this trait is that you can literally get it's effects even if you don't use it (have a loadout with alchemist + the necklace that gives an additional 50% consumable duration, pop your long term buff (or buffs with brewmaster's), switch back to your loadout).
Another pretty bad one is Kingship from the handler, though it can be used in a few builds where you just blow everything up, including yourself, while taking no damage.
Strong back is pretty cool, but kind of situational. I mean it's good on builds that don't use heavy armor, but if you do, the only benefit is that with lvl 10 strong back you hit a breakpoint where with full leto II you are just heavy (as opposed to very heavy). If you plan on using leto I, then you need to use something else anyway, or you're going to use stuff where being superheavy doesn't matter anyway, like the mist dash.
Flash caster is another one that I find useless. I've tried it, but personally I've never been in a situation where I thought I need my mod and skills to have a faster animation. IMO this is the worst archetype trait.
Swiftness is IMO the best of the worst archetype traits. Sure it literally helps with any build, but it's more or less just marginal improvements.
Healing is always super nice. In the first game I sometimes took the class that started with it just to use the healer rift more often. Makes it easy to run with teams as you can save all your relics for revives.
Explorer gets a 30% all dmg buff, he has one of the best defensive skill in game and he provides more ressources (that includes ammo) for the whole team. Yes, the Prime isn't great but you can use any archetype with explorer as a secondary and it will synergize perfectly with any build. Explorer's strength is its versatility and speed, don't underestimate that.
Gunslinger's prime perk really shines when you lower skill cooldown enough to use Quickdraw to reload Bonesaw every single time.
This.
Was my daily driver when the game came out. Carried me through the whole game on every difficulty.
Eventually was able to up my DPS to about 9k (even 12k with a friend who used a buff xD) on the dolls, which is realistically more like 7k dps ingame since you also have do dodge and shit.
That's actually a pretty good combo now that you mention it! Using quickdraw, the loaded prime perk negates two of the three weaknesses of the bonesaw: slow reload and limited reserve ammo. The low cool down of quickdraw means you are guaranteed another free, instant reload before you can spend your current mag. I like this strategy using the western classic to truly channel my inner cowboy haha.
@averosc9890, it's also perfectly viable for giving the Sparkfire unlimited ammo and nullifying its semi-slow reload. Plus, the lever action shotty makes for an aesthetically pleasing pair with the twirly revolver.
@@averosc9890You could also use hypercunductor amulet giving you 4x quickdraw charges, and increasing the CD by 50% (from 32 to 48 )
or just use hugs with bulletstorm + corrosive bullets that ur using anyways to either reload faster or just instantly reload AND u get the insane damage buff from bulletstorm instead of shooting some pasta noodle
The way he described the last one was a ad tv😂. I was waiting for him to talk say " but wait there's more" and " and you can have this too with two payments of 29.99.
Sometimes when I get going I feel like I am actually making and ad lol.
I really enjoy your content and I can't wait to see what other things the developers put out there
Handler is outstanding. That doggo has gotten me out of many fishy situations
Check out the Batman build.
You consume like 6 potions. There’s two shield rings that work exceedingly well together. Plus the merciless, the blood soaked ring, and the hardcore metal band.
If you get knocked to the ground, you will be fully healed by the time you get back up. On any difficulty.
Handler is S tier because anyone can pet your dog.
Can’t beat boss on your own?
@@Aeoniik no
@@sylusbean9422 real
@@Aeoniikwhat does this have to do with petting the dog? Lol
Yes, and any enemy who hurts puppers is marked for death by papercuts
thanks for the list! I'm surprised you ranked Gunslinger so low, otherwise I agree 100%. Gunslinger's increased ammo reserves, fire rate and reload speed increases, and of course bulletstorm just make it so useful. Yeah, it's not flashy but Gunslinger gives you so many QoL improvements it's an easy A tier for me.
I'd love for you to do a Multi-class tier list, although that may be too daunting. Maybe just a top 10..... because the multiclass ranking is really what matters.
Ya Gunslinger is tough. Amazing for ranged builds, but it has extremely low versatile overall. Multiclass ranking is a great idea that I might look into.
@@SheenShotsI second this idea!
Nice Vid, I can never make up my mind on classes, so fun to mix and match making different builds.
Look forward to you doing the melee weapons.
The classes can be tough to settle on since they all provide so many benefits.
I just did whatever sounded fun. Ended up using Challenger and gunslinger. I'm going to be changing that soon. I swap my main weapon constantly anyway and the challenger stomp mixed with the free revive is too good.
Invader/Challenger with Wormhole/Juggernaut, max SKD, Spectral Blade and Dying Ember is Apocalypse easy mode for all but a few bosses. You're always at 5 SHARK stacks and always getting +300% damage, plus you're always lifestealing to offset the 15% health drain from Burden of the Stargazer.
Bro thanks i gonna give that a try
Oh yeah i gotta give this a try. Thank you for the build idea
@@martinmind Max out Resonance
@@talentrippin3535Max out Resonance
@@kizmo2317 what are the other 2 rings you're using besides dying ember and burden of the stargazer ? Also what's the Amulet ?
20:58 The spits on enemies grave bit made me laugh out loud 😂😂
I agree with most of these except for handler I think it should be higher than summoner and lower than gunslinger. Handler provides a lot of utility to what ever you wanna do, wether if it is more healing or more damage or less enemy aggression towards you. Though you do make a good argument that the dog dies and you can’t use half your kit but the dog isn’t out the entire fight, it will eventually get back up and do it’s thing again which doesn’t take very long either. And there are ways you help it take less damage by just using relics and traits accordingly, meaning don’t use blood bond, it’s the worst trait to use it on handler don’t use it guys 😂
I have a fantastic build for archetype summons that provide good survivability for both you and summons, great damage from both you and summons, and overall a lot of fun. It all depends on what you got as your prime perk. I personally like using summoner prime perk with handler or archon, put on nightweaver grudge or the neck bone, use atonement fold, and the summon rings for bulwark and lifesteal off summon damage and boom. The most important traits to use for my build are blood bond, kinship, and rugged. This maximizes the uptime of the ruthless prime perk while the bleed from atonement doesn’t kill the summons too quickly
Summoner offers more versatility than handler, especially with medic, which together makes a nearly invincible character. Two of the three summons for summoner can deal with ranged or flying enemies, whereas your dog is basically a liability that you need to babysit so it doesn’t die or you lose every single buff for the rest of the fight. That is time better spent healing yourself, doing damage, or avoiding attacks. If you really need buffs as the summoner, you can summon the minion again. You can’t summon your dog.
Medic and alchemist will always be better for healing and revives, and several classes have better options for damage. Handler falls into a weird jack of all trades, master of none, position.
Handler is S-tier for roleplaying, D-tier for build optimization.
Quite a good list i may have expected some classes may have moved up or down a tier.
Next, list the combo classes tier lists and their respective potentials. 😌👌
I stuck with Challenger as my main the whole game. I didnt want to lose that Diehard, especially as a solo player
Always a nice perk to have for sure.
@@SheenShots I’ve gotta say that I never really felt it was too Tanky of a build from the get go. I don’t think I properly utilised the class to how it should’ve been, still my primary for leveling and trying the other classes
1:58 I LOVE MY DOGGY!!! Granted I am playing on Survivor. This tier list is great for info, thanks mate 😊
I've been looking for the best armour set-up but there are no videos on armour in the game. A mix n match is probably the way to go- that would be a cool video!
Bump! ❤❤ hurryy upp
Explorer is actually S tier in my apocalypse run
Instead of slogging my way through a zone, I simply switch to my explorer build and just run towards the quest objective
A zone that might have taken me 5 or 10 minutes to fight my way through normally took me only like a minute or two
Saved me a lot of time
My opinion for begginers, with main weapoms and no rings, amulets etc...
The bests class are :
Challenger and Dog Guy (Domador in Spanish my country).
Only this two class got the best pasive in all class.
Challenger got "auto-revive".
Dog Guy got "Dog revive you".
In your first level.
Caused Medic or other class need level 5 or 10 to get a good hability.
Weapons:
Challenger bulldog is so good
Dog guy AR-47, is one of the best main weapons.
The other class you can probe for example in Yaesha world.
Pick Hunter and eat 2 hits of lizzards enemies, and you are near to die, and i say un easiest level.
And other class, with 3 hits, are die.
Challenger need 6 hits
Dog guy 5.
If you dont believe me, you can probe.
And dog in coop, got big options like:
Reduced 80% friendly fire.
More speed for allies
More revive speed and dog can revive allies.
I think Dog guy is in A or S tier
Yes, dog definitely has a lot of utility in coop and early on. In fact I would agree and say he is S tier at that point in the game.
Next on the chopping block are the rings and amulets
Dude doing rings... or wait till after DLCs where there will be over 200 of them. I will be busy I guess lol
That music for Challenger is very fitting and was getting me pumped lol
Bro the dog is so tanky, if the dog goes down a lot that’s on you. Ngl some of your takes are just not it man, dog takes aggro, is tanky, can proc bleed has decent skills and you’re telling me it’s the second worst class in the game? Jusy no
He is on survivor or veteran, anything above that the dog gets like 30 seconds of you run him default. That's pretty much all summons.
@@nunchuksteev9811 With Summoner, all you have to do to keep them alive is take a relic when their health gets low, and they get 5% health regen. Not sure if that works with Handler. My Engineer/Summoner is the only build I ever use with Venom in Apo.
Not everyone plays on Survivor exclusively.
I play apocalypse but mostly nightmare. My favourite build is my handler hunter builds. I find it's rare my dog goes down, and I only put like 5 levels into rugged
On apoc, attacks like tal ratha gulp, ravager aoe, etc, take down the dog. You have to call it back, but it won't make it out lol
Nice video glad we got creators like you making content for this game don’t worry about the hate on this vid. Remnant is fun cause you can do anything you want and play, people are hating cause they got a favorite archetype that isn’t the most efficient which is they don’t have to be game would be boring if everyone ran the the same build. You were objective good video!
Tier list videos always make it tough to agree with everyone lol. Because so much of what makes things good are based on how you like to play the game.
I just love how this tier list is the complete opposite of those tier list recommended by those game article on the internet. Which proof the devs did a great job with the classes.
Most game articles are also considering early game more than anything else which factors in. For example, the Handler is easily one of the weakest classes overall, but probably one of the two best to start with since free revive and agro. Where your at in the game definitely affects how you feel about the classes. Which is perfectly fine honestly. You need a good class early and late game so good balancing in different areas.
Me who has been using medic and ritualist as my main build wanting to see how good my choices were....
They were both in S tier.....
Me" "Nice"
"Makes some of the hardest bosses, like Venom, become child's play when you run status"
Venom: *rolls elemental resist*
me: *cries*
Challenger main, Hunter second, few points in health regen from Summoner. Shielded Heart. Rings: health regen on sprint and mod use, gunslinger ring. You become a dps master and can keep yourself alive by shielding before death then super regen, and have the Challenger self save. It’s an aggressive ranged player build for solo play. Works great in multiplayer as well
My favorite class pairing in the game is still Archon/Summoner for a true summon build with Space Crabs and Ring of Swords, the power is mainly in the mods but damn does it dish out strong and consistent damage to 90% of the enemies in the game and it does it without killing your incompetent teammates with Firestorm.
Massive buff and crit fix for engineer, and handler getting fixed to keep all bonuses even when dog is down, and summons getting major buff, several fixes, and explosion getting a massive damage increase…all with the next patch
Which is a very good change I am looking forward to for sure.
I started as a challenger and went straight for the medic secondary. I found a video that shows how to get the Chicago type writer and Leto armor and I have nearly no problem beating whatever I come up against. I saw another build for apocalypse that is a challenger and ritualist which is what I’m gonna eventually shoot for. I love when a boss gets in my face and I pop juggernaut and beat their brains in. It’s kind of like I’m running a paladin build now but with a ritualist it will be a death knight which I always loved those classes in DnD
Ritualist and Alchemist is just chef’s kiss!
Started with hunter/gunslinger, but leveling up my ritualist/alchemist now, i really like my second combination, elemental build is lots of fun^^
Summons -- both dog and summoner-- also take damage for you outside of actual hits, which is probably why they're dying fast if you don't have the DR to lower that. They are really good classes when speced for, helping keep you alive (and they heal from relics too), and Summoners main trait-- regrowth-- is nice regen so worth leveling for that alone. If you play with friends, Handler's lowering friendly-fire damage is also really good. I'd level them and see how they play for you.
The handler class is what got me over the learning curve, I’m not particularly good at these types of games so it’s at the top for me
I have progressively improved over years of trying but my "trash-ness" is part of the reason i play summon classes
Despite what videos like this say about strength, I just feel safer having my little minions pick off enemies.
An added bonus if you aren't situationally aware is the minions make noise when they attack and have a pretty good range so it helps with jump scares and hidden enemies.
If not minions, I go support and play online!
I just leveled all archetypes to max. This game is so fun! I like using Archon prime with Ritualist secondary for mod and elemental build right now. Miasma probably is my favorite skill.
Just got the game, can’t wait to make a hunter and handler build.
found this video finally and it was very informative i appreciate it HOWEVER i wonder if you could do the teir list again a bit different.
when we combine two archetypes, we unlock a new one (example Engineer with Challenger gives us Sentinel)
and i wonder if a tier list would be more accurate if it was made with THOSE classes in mind than just these archetypes on their own.
I feel like co op with 2 ritualist one with miasma and the other with eruption to blow the enemies up after the other uses miasma would be super dope
I'm using a Summoner/Alchemist build, and it's very fun. Stacking consumables and buffs for all allies (including summons) while using my flyers to watch my back is a decent combo. I play it as a dps support role and I'm happy with it.
Dude, can't wait for some dlc. I'm sure you can't either. Could use some content gas in the tank lol. I really appreciate you and chaos gaming for the vids. N teaming up for a down n out challenge? Fym?!? Showcasing builds done right. Gg's
my charracter was pretty tanky as a summoner and warden. due to the ring i was wearing. I had 6 stacks of bulwark plus shields. I used the flyers and just tapped them with my secondary every now and then to keep the buff going and not do much damage and if they got to 50% health id hit them with the healing shot. great class if you can micromanage. plus more entity means attention is split up more and not focused on you as much when other enemies are around.
first class was the gunsinger and every build i use i have the gunslinger attached. its a class that just makes all guns feel better and thanks to me learning to dodge, dip, lop and dodge..... im pretty much skilled to make it the top class archtype it deserves. its not showy but it does its job.
Thank you for the video!
I barely got the game today and definitely wanna play as the challenger cause i love the character's design. Hearing him being S tier makes me happy, and the way i see the challenger is that is more of a assualt/breacher class cause i notice aside from melee, the challenger blast people woth shotgun.
With summoner, I think you're understating it's prime perk.
For example, if you have the big root reaver guy out, all you need to do is have a weapon that has a very low damage level and drop a single bullet on it. A legit pinch of damage. The ability not only causes them to attack harder, attack quicker and _move_ quicker. Combine this with a relic like Lifeless Heart and your buff prep involves shooting your dudes once or twice then using Lifeless Heart. The Root Reaver does a decent chunk of damage, yet the fliers are definitely higher on DPS. Their attack patterns also change while enraged, all of them doing more complicated attacks while it is active.
The main problem with it is that on its own it is useful. Yet when compared with any other prime perk there are 0 reasons to take it. Especially with skill builds the way they are now. Engineer as prime is way better overall and honestly more fun. Then you have invoker which is definitely better since you get double skills. The perk would need to affect all summons on the field including mod summons and have a subclass you could add in more summons with. Right now its just there to be used because you want to use it. Sadly there is always a better option.
Really like ur rankings. Do we get "The best Melee Weapon" too ?
Yes, I am currently working on that one. We have a lot of melee options though so it is taking a bit lol. But it is definitely in the works.
Hard to say when the game is always introducing some minor bug that makes one much better than the other but I would personally say World's Edge, Stonebreaker, Hero's Sword and Krell Axe are definitely top melee weps and have great versatility.
Helpful no-nonsense videos. The music is killing me though
Keep in mind that all of these evaluations are subjective to the players style. Personally, I found the handler to be top notch, as along as you DO NOT put points into the class card that transfers a high % of the damage you take to the dog, and learn to avoid damage like a big boy lol- also, the dog takes less than 2 seconds to rez. That dog makes some very difficult bosses doable on high levels simply because the self-revive, active heal (second skill), aggro distraction, and remote team battle rez are unparalleled in survival of some bosses. Like all of these classes, the dog is a tool that can be invaluable to those who know how to use him- He can turn the battlefield into a shooting gallery for you- especially if you keep him alive and healed. I think you had it right in the first 45 seconds when you said that each class is meant for a different purpose- and they are bloody good at that purpose.
Pair Archon with invoker and you got the skill Dmg you need. Go chaos form. Stack cool down reduction and you got infinite chaos form. Also run a lot HP reg with traits and relic and you don't need to heal with active relic. Go nebula /firestorm/sandstorm as mods. Activate mods, go chaos form and enjoy. At least til nightmare I crushed everything. Didn't tried apo yet.
9:39 This very much reminds me of Outriders. I was seeing some inspiration from this game, like adding mods and mutators to the weapons. Outriders is definitely the inferior product however.
This is literally the exact video I was looking for
i just finished the game couple days ago picked medic since in remnant 1 the similar ex-cultist class did an awesome job, medic allowed me to go round the game in veteran mode pretty easy i even killed one or 2 bosses just going to a corner casting the healing AOE skill and star there hitting the boss
in the late-ending game got some rings that regenerate HP whenever i got a shield on me so this made the last boss a walk in the park
but i do miss the summon weapon mods those were the best
I will say this, yes the summoner prime perk is MOSTLY useless, however there are certain cases where you can make use of it, for example the melee flail that creates a sand cyclone activates the damage bonus on the minions but does 0 damage to them, making a summoner/Challenger combo somewhat viable imo
Hey man. what's the music in the background? I dig it.
Just started this game already know your class works only with your build of equipment. Correct rings and armor make classes crazy good
I remember looking at the medic when I started playing R2 as old souls-player and thinking "Yeah, this'll be busted".
6:00 Oh god this Abomination one shotted me and put me off thinking I was on a roll 😂
I actually find the bubble on archon very useful and helpful
I use bubble a lot too. It does have a lot of usefulness for defense. My main concern was that it feels kind of odd for archon since it has nothing to do with mods. Archons skills are simply put... all over the place lol.
@@SheenShots Totally agree. Archon skills definitely don't really fit in.. chaos gate is not worth it imo and havoc form is cool but I personally like 'all builds' compared to specialized builds
i have recently just picked this game up. and wondering which class are best paired with the other classes for good synergy?
Engineer/Summoner is a great combo.
Little Tidbit that I will add about the engineer, they also have the ability to work well with melee builds; Holding the overclocked turret is like having the strongest melee weapon in the game.
For Gunslinger, I'd give some credit to Sidewinder as well. It is a VERY niche skill, but on a setup such as Sureshot-Widowmaker, it outputs a TON of damage in a short amount of time. Quickdraw... Yeah, it's not great since it doesn't synergize with the rest of the class.
Eplorer + Handler with dice necklace and that one ring for scrap pickups makes famring for scrap easy. Just run around one of the burning dungeons in Losom on survivor, ignore mobs with the AoE Katana
I’m gonna be controversial and say I think medic should be above challenger. For my playstyle I would rather have the reliable healing over a once every 10 min revive
I can't drop alchemist.
I don't know why I feel so glued to the class. I know it's not enjoyed by many but I honestly like how I can customize the classes "perks" via concoctions. While other classes are locked into specifics, I can (for a price sadly) adopt a plethora of traits to tailor my experience a little more. Late game I feel like I can basically do anything I want, even when playing solo. 95% of my time playing this game has the "Spirited" prefix.
Alchemist is the most unique class in terms of customization. You can make so many different tank builds with it with all of them feeling a bit different each time. Also one of the few ways to get max DR and still deal amazing damage at the same time. Heck with life steal the way it is now you almost can't die as an alchemist. And all three skills can be swapped out depending on the situation which adds to its versatility. Then don't even start on the team capabilities. Straight up broken for support with how many buffs you offer everyone.
In the future i'm trying to use Medic with other class, ¿what good combos are for it and wich one needs to be the prime class in those ocations?
The forgotten kingdom dlc added a mod that plants a bunch of bouncing betties on the ground that deal heavy status damage. Using that plus Mirage long gun's tornado destroys everything especially with the aoe size trait and ritualist
Excuse me Sir, how do you reach Gwendil with Havoc Form lightning from THERE?
This is unfortunanlty a goofy problem with the devs. They keep modifying aspects of havoc form over and over. Right now it doesn't not hit her at all as far as I can tell.
@@SheenShots Appreciate the fast reply! Was that back when Amplitude/Resonance maybe boosted that for some reason? Yeah I tried Havoc Form for boss rush a few days ago, and man it's so inconsistent. Also can't hit the Corruptor when he's resurrecting the Golem, for example. Annoying.
Combine handler and Summoner, and you have not only a tanky dog, you'll have Tanky Summons. Meaning you can shoot the summons and only deal anywhere from 21 to 249 damage to the summons.
11:42 unless you are doing a purr tank build with challenger engineer. Then its amazing as a secondary perk [tho with warden now its not as good for it]
Using the mechanical cog and just bull rushing eneimes holding their aggro with a massive guass cannon or lmg is amazingly fun
early game Handler/Medic worked well for me. Mid game been doing best with Engineer/Warden and Phetyr armor set using Enigma and Nightfall/Monarch as weapons. I tried maxxed out Summoner, Invoker and Archon but too weak and squishy and kept getting steamrolled and one shotted no matter how I played or how many rings/amulets. Max armor buffed with Twisted Idol amulet is great.
How do you not spend your resistence for run and other thing?
My ritualist build is pretty insane. 1 krell axe throw does like 30K damage over time on its own and when I use 1 mag of each gun, my mods 1 time and my skills 1 time, I do 95K over 60s most in status effect damage, on a single target. My axe does electric, corrosion and bleed at the same time.
Higher difficulty has better drops or special drops ?
Thanks for the helpful video!
Can you recommend or make a build that uses Invader's wormhole? 😃
Get your skill cooldown to maximum (80%) and Wormhole can be used every seven seconds, with two charges each cooling down separately. Pair this with spectral blade to capitalize on that MASSIVE 300% damage boost in a MASSIVE AOE (with Resonance) and you have a clone-dropping, unhittable, burst AOE monster. Your second class can be anything else that takes advantage of max skill cooldown. For instance: use Medic and put Dervish on the sword so melee hits after Wormhole are even stronger, and kills reduce active cooldowns by a further 5%. This can get you near perma uptime on shield, making you and your team virtually unkillable. Not to mention it's soooooo fucking fun to play!
Just go anything melee. Invader prime. Challenger secondary. Bisected ring, probability cord, burden of the gambler, brawlers pride. Wormhole was made for melee is is extremely easy to use with it as well.
Medic/Summoner is lowkey fun.. its absolutely relic spam and unironically fixes the issue of your minions dying lol
explorer is probably one of the best for me...that fast sprint less stamina skill is probably one of the best skills in the game for boss fights and exploring
The only take i disagree with is Gunslinger. And i feel like you didn't actually build around it with weapons. One of the biggest benefits of the gunslinger is the increased rate of fire. If you aren't utilizing the fact that you can basically turn high damage semi-auto guns into fully auto guns, then you are basically wasting the class' potential. Give me an invader gunslinger and a nightfall or lever gun. I will first try the final boss on apocalypse every time
What was neat looking gun on the hunter @16:42 ?
Its called Monarch
You get it from the final boss of dlc by killing him while he is NOT stunned from destroying his hammer
engeneer turret bullets help you get more mod charge, so it works good with mod spam builds ass a secondary class. You can stack up to 3 fire tornados with the turret and you shooting at the same time.
You could also build a different subclass like invoker or archon & get it back even faster while also not losing out on 2nd skill dps. Not the engi turret isn't dps, but if engi isn't primary the damage is not really worth the skill slot on higher difficulties & if you're going for mod builds there's much better synergies. However, all that said, it's nice that engi builds do get mod regen from the turret
Now do a top # / best of worst of for class combinations.
Good idea actually. Since that is where the classes can shine better.
I love these tier lists! Could you make a "Boss Difficulty" list? Just for funz
At the start of the game I only got to choose between four classes? Hunter. Handler. Champion, and Medic. How do I get the others?
RUclips vids will help
You have to unlock them through doing specific actions in the game. You can find out how on YT.
I agree on a lot but gunslinger is S tier, has 2 DPS perks rather then 1 and just overall makes shooting better. It’s a beast of a class on apocalypse
Auto-correct made your beast a best my friend
Indeed. Thank you I’ve fixed it 😊
Oh it is fantastic no doubt. Hard for me to move it up however as each class above it is so good. It has the best relic perk in the game though I know that much.
HOW DO I KNOW IF ITS A PRIME OR SUB CLASS? WHICH SIDE IS WHICH? ALSO WHY DOES IT MATTER?
I know summoner isn't the best, but I love mixing it with Challenger and anything movement speed related so I can confusefriends why someone in the full Leto set is running at the same speed as a hunter.
The ring hat gives you haste with healing (In which summoner constantly heals a little) is great for just speeding through an area you've already done
Best 2 classes are engineered and challenger and stacking the shield and healing rings you're basically immortal. I'm on apolopyse rn and it's the only one u can use for some of these random bosses u get especially the ones that heal when you use a relic
Yo, song playing during challenger made me feel the power of the class.
I use the the summoner with the Atonement Fold Ring and the Blood Bond Trait and it keeps your summons with the boost. Maybe not OP but it is pretty fun. (Mind Healing of course)
For handler i feel that they should have gone further and let you get new companions to use or maybe gearnor something. You can make the dog tanky on apoc, but it basically takes all of your mod, ring, ... etc slots to make it work. Even then, its better when supporting others
Could you redo this list with the new buffs? Everything is very much buffed and its amazing
Would invoker/ medic be good for an explosive build??
Yes, however it is tough to play. Because the best explosive builds are archon/summoner and its not even remotely close. Now if your explosives aren't mod related maybe there's something to that but that would not be very common to find. Could work for thorn I think.
@SheenShots alright awsome I'll keep that mind and play around to see what works for me, absoulty love your videos man keep up the good content!
I must admit my main build was a engineer and summoner..back when the turret was a minion(heard it wasn't anymore) so I could be in Leto MK2 and have all the damage resistance from 3 summons being out
Ritualist reminds me of Amara in Borderlands 3, she was also overpowered. I enjoying Challenger, reminds me of soulslike gameplay
I haven't checked, but a cool video next could be best combo's? Seems some of these Archtypes are designed to be a secondary.
I’m still rocking the root doctor, just starting the first dlc and then 2nd right after
In defense of the summoner the rage that these summons can have is proportional and how much damage they take no you can actually set up a simple build by increasing your passive health regeneration than having the skill that that links yoyr summon to you and lets you share health regeneration with them and your damage you take, then equip the ring that causes minor passive bleed, and your summon is a infinite state of rage and heals faster than the 0 to 1 point of damage they take per second if you focus on a healer summoner build, a reaver is Insane with this, even in apocalypse as they heal faster than they can be hurt, and if You have the void heart that gives you More passive health regen, they become even harder to kill
summoner and handler together are cool cause the handler reduces the selfdamage so the minions get like no damage almost
Thanks for this dude! keep making videos of remnant. Im an alchemist main
You are a true potions master then lol. Alchemist is so versatile and with Brewmasters it is really comfy to use.
The dog is really nice in an explosion build like starshot and the detonator amulett. Bc its reducing the dmg you receive from your own explosions by 90% or so. It just trivialized my very first run (is was nightmare difficulty). Probably not the best for endgame but pretty important to consider in a tierlist video imo..
Yes, the trait is amazing for mod builds. However, it is not required to even use Handler for you to equip the trait. Which makes that much less of a factor.
What about INVOKER?
18:20 I guess the best way to balance out these crazy skills is it takes a little while to re-use
what was the auto tracking gun you were using in lonsom??
Monarch is the tracking gun.
That is the gun Monarch. You get it from defeating the One True King in the Awakened King DLC.
@@SheenShots that explains it thank you!