THE BEST KNIFE STEEL: M390, D2, AUS8, N690, VG10, S30V, S35VN, 440C
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- What is the best steel for a knife? What is more convenient to sharpen? Why is Dagger using D2? We will answer all these questions in today's video!
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I've always valued ease of sharpening slightly over edge retention. Steels like 1095, 1080, 440c, bucks 420hc, some aus8, 14c28n, 12c28n and other simple steels touch up so easy it's a pleasure. No need for any special stones or jigs, it feel like they want to be sharpened lol were d2 and other high large carbide steels feel like they would rather stay dull once there
True, I agree with that. Steel needs strength and toughness, thats its main property that attracts me. For fine edge retention and slicing action only, I just got myself a few Rahven Knives elastic ceramic blades. Almost twice the edge retention of rex121, with higher toughness and less chipping (didnt manage to chip them at all yet while hitting bones and taking apart about 25 goats) with one blade. Still didnt sharpen it. Besides this, I only use spyderco serrated blades, vg10 and other higher toughness steels for tasks that require that property
Good video. I am glad I was able to purchase the S35VN Arrow and the Vendetta M390. Love your knives!
thank you!
Thank you for the chat. The best steel is the one you have in your hand. Simple carbon steels are less expensive and easy to sharpen. Oil inhibits rust. I have a lot of fun making puukko knives with simple carbon and stainless steels from Lauri and Mora. 1095 Chromium Vanadium steels used in KA-BARs and other American made knives like Becker and ESEE is very good. Very good Stainless steels like AEB-L and 440C are also inexpensive. Expensive new generation powdered steels are wonderful but may not be worth the extra cost for everyone. I recently bought a CPM Magnacut for my EDC. As a simple country boy retiree, I make knives for family and friends. I prefer 1075 and AEB-L.
So many questions answered, thank you. As a toolmaker, I thought I knew it all, far from it! D2 is my favorite with 440 a close second choice, ala, Buck offerings over the years.
Thank you
Very informative. I feel better about my D2 knives.
some of my favorites are magnacut, s90v, s30v, 20cv, m390 and recently got introduced to magnacut. They are all easy to sharpen with diamonds just takes a bit more time, The 'lower' end steels are fun to sharpen and quick to get sharp !
20cv and m390 are basically the same so which company does this steel better? Cpm or Bohler? Let me know
I quickly figured out that D2, S35VN and S30V are much more pleasant to sharpen after investing in diamond sharpeners and now have a fair few D2 and a handful of S35VN/S30V knives but I still use my old AUS-8 ontario RAT 1 and my CJRB Feldspar in AR-RPM9 for more abusive task such as cutting things in a cars engines bay. I also am likeing VG10 a fair but but my Spyderco Delica is to thin to want to use it for anything else other then everyday cutting task. With D2 becoming common and more affordable, I personly think it is a great choice to keep cost down and I view it as a common mans super steel. Less corrosion resistance is fine if it means I can save $25+ dollars on a knife vs a much more expensive version in a more popular super steel.
What about toughness? Isn't D2 prone chip, or break sometimes?
Really happy with my D2 sting geometry and heat treatment, used once my worksharp precision to put a thinner edge for my use and only stropped it since, also did a lot of food prep without any acid spot on the blade (black finish)
D2 is a great working steel
S35VN Cold steel Kobun on sale for like 70 bux on midway...sweet deal
Cant wait for the S35VN Arrow!
Keep up the amazing work, greetings from Cyprus!
thank you!
Am interested to see how some of these newer steels perform over time.
440c 💪
It's a bit of a trick question. If the company doesn't have a proper heat treat then no steel is the best. In my opinion I like 1095 or sk85 " with proper heat treats" for outdoors bushcraft, hiking, camping.
And nitro-v or n690 cryo for edc. Magnacut I also like but I get a woodie for nitro-v for some reason lmfao
For short blades Elmax or M390, for long blades cpm 3v. For diving H1 etc…. It depends on the purpose
best steel is that one, you are able to sharpen :)
that`s true :D
I like D2. I grew up with traditional type knives that used carbon steel for the blades. D2 isn’t nearly as prone to corrosion as basic carbon steels. If you take care of your D2 knives and do general maintenance to prevent corrosion. You’ll be fine. I am excited to see some Daggerr Knives in some higher end steels though. I’ve become a fan of S35VN. It seems to be a nice balance between toughness, edge retention and ease of sharpening.
Edit: I hope you’ll have some of the Parrot knives in red soon. I’m also hoping you’re working on getting some of your other out of stock models made. Your knives are ones I’m getting really interesting in collecting and using.
Thank you! We also think the D2 steel is very good choice, by the way, some models will come back in stock very soon. Parrot will be in micarta
Hi
In terms of edge retention, What steel at what HRC would you recommend for a kitchen knife (not abused in bones and frozen stuff)?
Could I have your opinion for best stainless and then best carbon knife?
I really don't have time to sharpen them so I would try the extreme:
ZDP189 as stainless
CPM rex 121 as carbon
Is that silly?
Thank you
Our company does not work with kitchen knives, we make universal knives. But we think your ideas are reasonable!
How good is cpms45vn vs maxamet in edge retention and how would you say maxament is in corrosion resistence "how easily could/would it rust)
Not sure if you found your answer yet, but Maxamet is actually more similar to CPM S110V Steel (which some consider to be the very best of all blade steels). Like S110, Maxamet has incredible edge retention, but is nearly impossible to sharpen. However, unlike S110, Maxamet is very susceptible to corrosion. So it needs to be cleaned and oiled often and kept away from salt water usage.
I like cpm10v, k390, cruwear, m4 then magnacut.
I am still very disappointed that there is no Fällkniven A2L CoS Lam version. All other Fallkniven knives have a CoS steel version and the Modern Bowie only comes in CoS anyway! So why pay such a high price for the A2L and still not get the maximum quality??? I'm afraid they made that decision just so they could release a much more expensive anniversary version of the A2L in the future. Like an ace up their sleeve, so to speak. Unfortunately, I haven’t dealt with this topic enough until recently and hastily bought the A2L, which keep in mind, is rather expensive as already mentioned, only to find out that it is Fällkniven’s only knife that still doesn't feature a Pro version.
Big fan of VG10. Feels like it gives a better factory edge out of the box.
I brike my N690 Katana today trying to chop a plant base. That's why I am doing some research. I was obviously lied to and taught that N690 is stronger than it actually is....
N690 is definitely NOT a good steel for a sword.
If you want a solid sword Spring Steel (Carbon Steel) is recommended. If your just looking for a display sword Stainless Steel is fine, but for functionality your better off with some kind of Carbon Steel
Someone link us to the video made by the steel engineer breaking down all the crucible steels
But why Buck 119 using 440c steel edge retention also perform better or similar to s35vn steel?
Bc blade geometry is more important
Its Magnacut steel. It's expensive but it's superior. Easy to sharpen, holds an great edge, is often more durable then most high carbon steel and is more corrosion resistant then most stainless.
agree with you!
love the english channel!
thank you!
I may be alone, but it would be awesome if you made an even more budget friendly model with a more utilitarian steel like 14c28n. Here's hoping lol
N690 is actually a great all-round steel. Holds a great edge for a more than an exceptable amount of time and it's a breeze to sharpen on practically any medium.
N690 is actually a great all-round steel. Holds a great edge for a more than an exceptable amount of time and it's a breeze to sharpen on practically any medium.
Why would 5 or 8 dollars worth of steel be a issue for you ? Would you give up the performance of a super steel for 5 to 8 dollars ?
Your link is labeled as non safe Mr
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My anxiety just watching this and he’s swinging his arms around with a knife in his hands
D2 is garbage steel. Especially with import mass production heat treat. This has been proven in testing with cardboard, rope and catra. You don't know what your talking about. D2 can be good with the correct microstructure but its expensive in those cases because they are done in small batches by custom heat treater's.
Any mass production knife in d2 should cost less than $40 or its just not worth getting. 14c28n is a much better value. A custom small batch heat treat of 14c28n is also much better than mass production but they do a decent job with it in mass production and its easy to do, for example Mora knives.
I highly doubt your company is getting m390 heat treated properly, let alone worth what your charging for it. As very few factories charge accordingly for how poorly they are heat treating it.
You say d2 is much better than other steels... When you know nothing about it. Your just repeating things you've heard without proof of testing with your companies heat treat vs others vs other steels. Your full of marketing.
Thanks for the feedback. D2 steel is a good steel for inexpensive knives. We use it on most models, are engaged in self-production and control all processes. This allows us to speak so confidently about different nuances.
@@DaggerrEDCknives what is your heat treat protocol for d2 then?
I think Vanax is the best.
cpm 3v is the best steel .
100% agree!
It's no stainless, so it's not the best. Maybe for you, but not for everyone.
@@einundsiebenziger5488If you maintain your knife it doesn’t have to be stainless unless you dive with it! 3V doesn’t rust through because of the high content of alloys. Whatever surface rust you get can be cleaned in seconds!
На русском этот материал будет?
он уже есть на русском канале)
Magnacut by a mile
D2 and M390 are both shit steels. Outpost76 has done tons of testing on both steels (just talking about edge retention right now) and there are much better steels in both of these steel's price ranges. 14C28N and NitroV are both much better at edge retention than D2, and the list of better steels than M390 is too long to list but S90V, MagnaCut, 4V, 10V, and Cru-wear (I know some are carbon and some are stainless but this is just about edge retention right now). Knife makers use those steels because they have the recognized names and they can be bought for cheaper than the better steels in their class. As more people use MagnaCut it will replace 20CV/204P/M390, and 14C28N has started appearing in place of D2 as well.
As far as toughness goes D2 and M390 aren't known for toughness in any way, and compounding that M390 chips from drops of less than 2 feet.
So , the reason knife makers keep using those 2 trash steels is because they know the knife community is full of sheep, of which 99% don't test or even really use their knives beyond opening an occasional package. I'd say at least 80% don't even know the truth about the steel they use, they just buy the knife they see on their screen.
Ah...the elusive keyboard ninja out of the wild. Shhh...don't disturb it, so it can calmly return back to its home of selective facts and anecdotal evidence.
@@BigBear-- yea come find out "big bear". FYI insults don't disprove any fact I laid out. Just curious, you are the one insulting a real man over the internet, wouldn't that make you the keyboard warrior/ninja? Grow genitalia and come say it where I can reach you "big bear".
It depends on the purpose. There is no best steel for all situations.
@@anthonyblend9917 generally when people talk about "best steel", they're refering to a steel that's ideal for EDC/general purpose use.
That's utter B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T.
Nice video , thanks, i'm going to check out your knives...