Mixing In Dolby Atmos with Dave Way
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Dolby Atmos is a new and very exciting way of mixing in surround sound!
As opposed to 5.1, which was the surround format for quite a while, Dolby Atmos creates a 360-degree field of space for you to work with. you can move things around as you want to, and then it looks at the playback system you have and it translates that into their speaker system. It can be anything from a Sound Bar or an Amazon Echo from Best Buy to a Dolby Atmos equipped movie theater.
Making its way from film sets and post-production suites all the way into living rooms, Dolby's Atmos surround sound technology has quickly become one of the most important and impressive technologies in home cinema.
Since the very first Dolby Atmos installation in the Dolby Theater in Los Angeles (for the June 2012 premiere of the Disney/Pixar animated film, Brave) Dolby Atmos has transitioned from the "future of home cinema audio" to very much the here and now.
That’s not only thanks to the immersive surround sound technology gaining traction in Hollywood, but also its support throughout the chain - it runs from content creation and distribution right the way through to hardware and device compatibility. Video streaming services, TVs, AV receivers - you name it, there's a good chance Dolby Atmos is part of the package.
Dolby has also developed Dolby Atmos Music tracks, which add a whole new dimension to music listening, and London's Dean St. Studios has recently unveiled a new state-of-the-art PMC loudspeaker system for Dolby Atmos Music projects, the first at an independent recording facility in the UK.
Atmos Music takes the same immersive multichannel audio format used to create Atmos soundtracks for movies and applies it to the music production process. The result is an entirely new way of listening to music.
If you have a Dolby Atmos-capable A/V receiver, soundbar, or TV, you can access Dolby Atmos Music via the Tidal app on one of these streaming devices: Apple TV 4K, Fire TV Stick 4K, Fire TV Cube, Fire TV Stick (2nd gen), Fire TV (3rd gen), and Nvidia Shield TV or Nvidia Shield TV Pro (2019 or newer models).
There’s no rules with the Atmos system, so there is an unlimited amount of possibilities with it - you can get really bold and create some amazing music with this system!
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This is Super Interesting. I've been studying Dolby Atmos for over a year now. But still haven't been able to experience atmos in its true sense due to Covid Restrictions and unavailability of a proper Atmos Room. It definitely will be the next big thing.
I use atmos but somehow I don't trust it to mix or even recording.
It feels nice to enjoy final works but for mixing I think it will make up the sound.
I am still trying to master 2 channel,.
I bought a DVD-A/SACD 5.1 player and disks back when it was the new thing.
Seemed like it was doomed from the start.
Software delivery medium was the issue back then.
Streaming,movies and gaming seems like a winning strategy for pushing progress.
@@vaibhavahujate thanks ever so much for sharing! I really appreciate it!
@@BetoAzamar try it!
Nice, cain't wait to listen to this on my smartphone mono speaker
Hahaha exactly!!
😂
Lol
Lol.
Apple are incorporating this with their earbuds and on imusic though. They're definitely getting behind it.
What I want though is a decent set of headphones ( Sennheiser of Beyer ) that I can mix Atmos on in my project studio and not have to spend a fortune on a setup for.
Iphones are stereo. Pretty genius how they did it.
I upgraded my composing/mixing room to 7.1.4 Atmos in December and began working with it in January. Monitoring: when working on a mix be sure to jog back and forth from your surround speakers to ( in my case) a Binaural 3d stereo headphones or whatever the next most important mix configuration is most important to you. You'll then get your best possible down-mixes. I find the side locations going from surround to stereo are the most touchy. And finding the best level for vocals. I have found that when I check the monitoring from full surround (7.1.4 for me) down to stereo, Atmos does things to the sound that just aren't possible in a straight stereo mix. I sometimes found myself leaning over to a speaker to check if I forgot to switch to stereo, then my head would be out of the sweet spot and the imaging went away. This is POWERFUL stuff and I don't think it is going away any time soon, there is a lot of momentum going in the surround/Atmos direction even beyond media/games. Also a LOT to learn. Three months in, I feel as though I'm barely scratching the surface. By the way, I have not bothered doing a straight stereo mix this year. I create dedicated stereo mixes by adjusting Atmos mixes that are complete. It allows you to achieve space/placement that is not otherwise possible. A good way to save money jumping into this is to buy used speakers, by the way. And one final thing I that is vital in Atmos... do NOT push your levels. You can destroy one of the most precious aspects of a great Atmos mix, the dynamics. Truly special.
Thank you for the insight and tips
Warren, you’re killin it with inviting these outside mixers & engineers coming in to offer us all this extra knowledge about mixing, and now state of the art setups. Thank you! Produce Like a Pro is kicking ass.
Thanks ever so much Russell!
krk on the kitchen counter and state of the art... right
4 Grammies just stuck in a corner. Amazing!!!
Haha indeed!
I've been using KRK VXT 6's for years. The older models. Highly recommend. Great upload guys.
Thanks ever so much
VXTs are great, even if they have poor sheilding. Rokits are a beginner's trap, though.
I guess this is the time to buy shares in loudspeaker companies...
Haha indeed Jens!
Bonus reflections off the Grammys in the kitchen!
Yes! Amazing! Thanks ever so much
This is exactly what i've been waiting for!
That's great to hear! Thanks ever so much
Listening in the car the panning really came through
Thanks ever so much Eric!
I'd love to play around with Atmos for a while.
Yes! Amazing! Thanks ever so much
In 2006 I was doing a diploma of sound and music for multimedia, I walked in to class and the cinema guys were watching the movie “The Proposition” and in the scene a shed was being peppered with bullets. I remarked to the lecturer how awesome a 3d mixing job that was, every bullet spaced perfectly in surround. The lecturer replied “my son mixed that”. I’ve been in awe of Dolby Atmos for a long long time.
Why is there a thumbs down !!!!??? this is awesome information! thank you!!!
Haha it's ok! We know we are doing something right then!
@@Producelikeapro without a doubt!!!!
Thanks ever so much my friend
Wow. Imagine if Dark Side.. had been recorded with Atmos!? I doubt I'll be going down this route anytime soon but if I was working in Film or Video games it would be a must.
Yes, that would be amazing!
Try it with Dolby Atmos for Headphones on a Windows PC or Xbox console (they do automatic upmixing). It's amazing!
@@davidste60 fantastic!
This is awesome and also why I also want you to do a live interview/questions with Steven Wilson as he is doing Amos mixing now in his new studio with Genelec’s. His new album is mixed in Atmos and he is doing Atmos mixes for Gentle Giant as well.
That would be amazing! Do you have Steven's info? Thanks ever so much
That would be amazing! Do you have Steven's info? Thanks ever so much
@@Producelikeapro yes, you can send him a message on Twitter. @StevenWilsonHQ
I am so excited about this technology. When I was a kid I had a transistor radio with no headphone jack. I quickly drilled a hole and put in a jack and bought the ear bud. We truly have come so far! Thank you so very much Warren! You bring us so many great videos!
I learned something from this, that you are king of audio nerds.
Haha thanks ever so much
I'd LOVE to set up Atmos in my home studio, but my home studio is a spare bedroom and my wife won't even let me hang a cloud over the mix position. Lotta people getting fired up about Atmos, but the majority of people I know don't even have a good stereo system at this point. And that's a shame, because today's gear offers amazing sound quality for not much money. I'm still mixing on old Alesis Monitor One speakers because I know them so well, but at some point I'll probably replace them with KRK speakers. They're amazing for the money. Side note - I wonder if Atmos could be successful in the auto industry? Most people have multiple speakers in their cars...
Just don't get KRK Rokits, they're junk. VXTs are good. Also be wary of the poor shielding on all KRK speakers -- if you have any ground loops or electrical noise in your house you're going to hear it through them. If it was me I'd go for a pair of Neumann KH120's or Focals. I have KH120's and I've never been happier with a pair of speakers.
@@Skrenja At $2,600 per pair, they should sound great! I'm just a hobbyist. :)
Finally a good use for those ears in the back of my head! Looks very cool. It will be interesting to see how the masses adopt it (or not). The trend has been going from Hi to Lo Fi over the past few decades. It would be nice to see that trend reverse. If you're under 25-30 there is an excellent chance you never heard music with anything better than MP3 quality on cheap speakers.
I'm very confident because immersive audio has to match the immersive video we are increasingly living in!
What sucks is most will listen to Atmos on headphones, which is the worst way to experience it... Not even as good as a binaural recording.
I just set up a 4.1 system to listen to Atmos surround music... Far better experience.
I think it will take over because it’s so easy to mix down to binaural and still be immersed. Binaural tech has been around for years but never so accessible. Now the big boys are adopting Atmos with a passion. A friend of mine mixes for Netflix and had to convert his studio to conform to their desire for Atmos. I bought some airpod pros and as soon as they linked to my phone guess what….up popped iTunes (music) pushing spatial audio. I listened and was blown away! Problem is, you still need to right headphones. Sound is still great without but you don’t get the some immersive experience without the decoder. It will catch on because Atmos is being followed by other contenders who don’t need special equipment. DTS is hot on their heels :-)
reminds me of 15yrs ago when loads of people got 5.1 in their houses for films but now have a tiny soundbar stuck to the bottom of the screen. likely to be a fad. would be cool if i was wrong though
@@tboorer Binaural squash the mix God luk whit guit
Warren... you always make me smile... enjoyed this video...
Thanks ever so much David!
Dave Way is a legend. I still remember his back in the days mixes for Teddy Riley. Those are still slapping to this day.
Thank you, I think this will be my next obsession 🙏😂
Thanks ever so much
Thanks for this upload, Warren. The studio I'm interning at is getting into Atmos, and it's something I am very interested in.
Thanks Adam! Wishing you all the best!!
Dave Way is the nicest guy in Hollywood.
He’s a great guy!
Thanks for the videos, learning everyday.
Thanks ever so much
Cheers for the tips and tricks as always man. You both rock!
Thanks ever so much
@@Producelikeapro My pleasure!
I use atmos but somehow I don't trust it to mix or even recording.
It feels nice to enjoy final works but for mixing I think it will make up the sound.
Thanks Warren & Dave! This was fascinating.
Thanks Adam!
I feel like colour blind dog trying to look at a rainbow
Who made that cute drawing in the back?
That's my daughter's picture!
@@Producelikeapro it's really cute!
@@SadhanaKhawas Thanks ever so much
HELLO!
Hello Jack!
Its incredible that in a high end studio like this Dave is driving KRK V series speakers, I would have expected something better.
And to think, I knew Dave all the way back to the the stereo days (and tape)!
Haha indeed!
Beautifully explained, Dave. Thank you so much.
Thanks Alex! Yes, Dave did an amazing job!!
Wonderful thing about Atmos is you don’t have to set up all the speakers to get started as the renderer decodes the ambisonic sound into 3rd order binaural, which is spatial audio and still pretty amazing in my opinion.
Awesome! A peek into the future! I definitely can see the place for it. Impressive.
Thanks ever so much
This seems way too cool to call it a job
Yes! Agreed 100%
I am super curious about his binaural solo recording with the head. I'm assuming it's the Neumann head? How often does he use it?
Interesting! I want to know as well!
Agree. People confuse stereo and binaural and have been for years. Not the same thing!
Now I feel that for this guy my stereo monitoring is the equivalent for me of a mono smartphone speaker
Yes, once you've experienced it that's quite true indeed!
Dave gets to use all the tech I dreamed of using 30 some odd years ago. Most of this tech Was still in early days of development.
I’m still having trouble mixing in stereo let alone anymore speakers! 😀
Haha I hear you!!
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Nice video! BR
Thanks ever so much
Cool stuff! Sylvia Massy just got an Atmos setup build around Genelecs. Would be cool to see her in Produce Like A Pro!
OK Dave: mind blown, but in a nice way; thanks so much for the test drive. The 1st time "somebody" sneaks up Atmos-wise from behind me, I'm sure I'll jump out of my socks!
Haha I think you'll love it Petey!
Watching this on my phone with a mono down-firing speaker, lmao 😂🙈
This difference between Dolby Atmos and Dolby 5.1 are not the amount of speakers nor where they are located. The biggest difference (and the game changer) ist that Dolby Atmos is an "object based mixing system", which means that the outputs tracks are not related to the channels of the monitoring system. The dolby render use metada to positionate sources inside the room using all the speakers at the same time.
Cool setup. If it was me I wouldn't use KRKs but I also don't have any grammys. It's also triggering me how the rear speakers aren't level. 😅
Fr tho😂😂
thank you for your knowledge and experience
Thanks ever so much
Damn, this is the content I'm interested in.
Fantastic! Thanks ever so much
Love this. I recently setup my entertainment room with 7.2 and was strongly considering Atmos but the ceiling speaker installation was intimidating. Since then I've dreamed of recording/mixing in 7.1 and Atmos but it's too much for my humble home studio. Also, how many listeners are setup for Atmos listening? CLEARLY it's the shiznit and something I hope to achieve. Imagine a killer rock song recorded and heard in Atmos? I bet Roger Waters is thinking about it..........
Going back to stereo is awesome, if you got a pair of piega tc70x speakers... 🥰
Tidal is the only atmos streaming that I know of.
This is amazing. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around how you decide what instrument goes where in the 3d space. Do I want a high tom on the rear left and a guitar on the front top right? Idk it's confusing for me, but I haven't heard a proper atmos system yet.
nice info: with the next Update Cubase 12 comes with Dolby Atmos too! great.
Who else would like to see Dolby make a daw? Literally would be the only daw with the best “surround sound” integration
Curious if you’ve seen the new C Logic Pro X update with Dolby Atmos and binaural integration??
I've seen many tutorials on mastering and some of them say to hipass your entire track below 20hz or even 30hz. They're mostly EDM Mastering tutorials. They say that "you don't need those and you have to do this in order to get more loudness onto your track. Those frequencies are useless unless you're playing your track on a big system." Should I hipass my track up to 20hz to gain loudness?? I've seen some big Producer in the EDM community doing this, and I didn't know they did this until I watched a video about it.
Removing excessive super low frequencies will always make your track feel louder as it takes up a huge amount of energy. Just be selective what instruments you leave really end information on. And at the end of the day do what feels good to you! That’s the most important thing
Bass player here, 5 string low b fundamental is 30Hz and some of us have down tuned even further.
20Hz is a safe bet and you get rid of trucks and other environmental noise, but 30Hz is to high, unless specific cases.
I’ve experimented with mixing “atmos” with headphones using waves 360 suite and NX to decode to stereo. It sounds interesting but not as much as this!! When I began in pro audio, 5.1 was coming out and remember being at an AES listening to classic hits in this form and was really impressed but seems that in the music industry it was just a fad, unless it was a live album in which the surround channels were used just for audience ambiance. But this maybe different now that this can be encoded to be produced “artificially” on headphones? Like Apple announcing there “spatial audio” now on Apple Music, maybe this won’t become a fad!! And the question arises, how much difference will there be in doing Atmos properly with several speakers to a simulated situation on headphones with tools like Waves’ 360 suite?
Thanks ever so much for the great insight!
sure seems like the coming thing
crap i gotta buy more speakers...again
Haha Indeed! Thanks ever so much
This is the Way.
Haha yes it is! Thanks ever so much
Good launching point of information about ATMOS. I'm curious about the protocol because he mentioned there is no set number of "speakers" but I'd rather hear the term "discrete channels". Because the set up he has is classic 7.1 but just adding the 4 speakers on the ceiling which also seem to be "discrete channels". So My question is, if a theatre has say, 20 discrete channels, is his 7.1.4 mix still interperatable (if that's a word) and separated (via the Dolby interface) into the theatres 20 channel matrix? I'm also wondering if there is a theatre minimum standard of channels that a theatre must have to be considered proper ATMOS... this an interesting rabbit hole.
Hi Tony. Yes, that’s exactly right. It translates (scales) to however many speakers (discrete channels) that theatre has. You basically tell the Atmos renderer what your speaker playback setup is and it makes the appropriate translation for your system. I’m not exactly sure what the minimum requirements are for Atmos theatres. All depends on the size I’d guess.
@@daddydwaved that's quite clever...Thanks for the answer!
now I'm starting to see what all the fuss is about. So where do we go next in 20 years? A.I. does the mix for you?.. wouldn't suprise me.
Very cool! I’m afraid if a heard it in person I’d have have it! 😂
Just wondering if the 7 speakers are high pass filtered to make space sonically for the sub or did he just add the sub on top? You'd think that would just produce bass peaks.
very interesting indeed. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video as usual on this channel... Myself I consider the whole Dolby Atmos is nothing more that a temporary novelty that will soon be replaced by something new. The only places to experience the effect of this new standard would be big and modern movie theatres playing the recent Hollywood productions. Maybe once in an eon there will be a movie worth experiencing, but otherwise it will be only an oversized audio system to play big psychoacoustic effects used in mediocre movies nobody watches anymore...
So informative, Just wondering what's the difference btw Dolby atmos and Ambiosonics...?
Most contents in 5.1 can i have an AVR or a processor detected the movie signals and turn it to 9.2 or 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos??
If yes please what should i do and what should I have?
Be aware, no mention of Ambisonics or the competitor MPEG-H. There should be a video discussing all 3
It reminds me on the Roland RSS Project.. Klaus Schulze made a sample CD it was limited to 999 copies. .. not the same technic but Rolands attempt was to bring real 3D depth in your headphone
I used the RSS unit back in the day. You can hear it on Jam by Michael Jackson. There’s a radio talk track that MJ es around in 3D.
That said, Atmos is WAY more.
Question. Can we place reverbs on height speakers? If so can we do it separately, different settings for bed and heights, or it's a setup for all 7.1.4? Thanks. 🙂
THX!
how did you deal with speaker delay and got any eq correction maybe?
Do you have an Atmos zone template to share? Great video!
With both atmos enabled phone and home av, disappoint not hearing the atmos mix here :( Great info on how it operates for non-producer like me.
RUclips does not support Atmos (yet)
Can I master any Beatles song in Dolby Atmos ? or do special requirements apply to the stereo master to be mastered ?
Are there any special tips or techniques of mixing for Atmos in camparison to "original" mixing?
I see videos of people mixing in their DAW with Dolby Atmos with headphones and not using all these speakers. Then playing back the music on stereo speakers. As so many play music with ear buds, in their car or a mono bluetooth speaker, I am not clear on where this is all going. Any insight?
What kind of brackets you used for mounting the ceiling speakers? Thx.
Dose he use Mastering suit or Production suit ?
I want to hear Jimi's guitar sounds circling me in 360 degrees!
omg just crying about all this music technology improvement
Fantastic!!
I’m just mid way through this. So, with Dolby mixing, you wouldn’t be checking for mono compatibility. What I’m confused with is with regular stereo mixing I would usually mix mostly in mono to get the overall balance, then have fun with the stereo. If that’s not the case here, how would you know it works
You have to throw your stereo brain out the window and grow an Atmos brain, that's how it works 😂
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Please ask greg penny to do a tell all tutorial about the techniques use on rocketman.
If true reference level 360 surround is the goal, headphones with positional tracking are the real solution. Dolby Atmos doesn't address sound from beneath you at all , and you are not free to explore the sound field as the listener. It seems Dolby has a history of moving goalposts to try and sell more stuff to the retail consumers in the Audio/Video space, like THX before, and Atmos failed on the consumer level due to ridiculous pricing and space requirements most families will never implement (now mostly reduced to a cheaper TV soundbar sub for most homes or worse TV implementation), so recently we see they are heavily promoting musicians/mixers to develop their content and build out their brand, at a hefty upfront cost. 5.1 seems to be the sweet spot for most homes and spouse acceptance factor... Interesting content however, keep up the great work!
How is that Atmos receiver connect to his Atmos setup? This has boggled me for a long time! How to listen to streaming services in your Atmos mix setup?
I have a Marantz receiver that decodes Atmos and it is fed from Apple TV using the Tidal app.
The receiver pre amp outs (XLR) go straight to Focusrite interface that feeds the speakers (KRK powered). So I actually don’t use the amp part of the Marantz. Just the preamp. Works and sounds great!
Thnaks for this video ! I have one question that maybe has no great sense in atoms but: what happens with master bus? I mean analog master bus or mastering bus with one stereo compressor , one stereo eq and one stereo analog limiter? In other words how can you master analog with atmos. I want the compressor to move on kick and snare and all other stuff inn song is turned down by kick and snare... how can I achieve it in atmos if I have different busses? How can I achieve the stereo compressor effect on all my tracks and then stem them out in atmos? If you can answer this THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
I do this by grouping the tracks I want to add effects to. Then extract them from the bed as an object and you’re all set.
@@hifidavid intersting thanks! Is there a sort of “extract track as an object” command that bounce it with all the treatment you put in the stem bus?
@@musicvideolabs watch a RUclips video and you’ll see what is an object and how to extract it. The Dolby render does it. Just look up mixing with ATMOS.
@@hifidavid THANKS!
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Great video as always! We’ve mixed movies in DTS:X Pro, Dolby and Dolby ATMOS for some years now, and do mix music in ATMOS as well for some projects. It was not Apple’s, nor anyone else’s first choice to go with ATMOS for music, as it has little to do with any sort of high fidelity to an actual live or other performance. This should not be a surprise, since it was designed for MOVIES NOT MUSIC. Also, the playback universe is very small, and it translates VERY poorly to normal 2.x speakers, headphones, IEM, etc. Also, unless you are using one of a very few ATMOS environments for mixing and mastering, and are EXTREMELY CAREFUL, it tends to mess horribly with phase correlation. This is the case with over 90% of the current ATMOS music on Apple, for example,
Thankfully, some much better options are coming, so don’t get too enamored of ATMOS for music, since it will soon be relegated back to video work again, where it belongs.
Do i see the dolby atmos like a plugin for your daw?
Listen to this is AirPod Pro Spatial audio
Drake's Album just got pushed back... I swear itz gonna sound amazing 😎
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recording in Dobly? :)
Spinal Tap!!
Very interessting! Can you do the demo again but with 2 room mics? So we could hear the change in the early reflections :) Thanx and namaste
Wow! 😃
Thanks ever so much!
i thought krk were a dead company, for some time all i saw was hs8s and krk monitors everywhere, and then krk faded away quietly and it became hs8 and a7xs or other adam audio monitors, and now it seems like ive been seeing krk in peoples studios more often
So do you need to mix it on a 7.1.4 or could you mix it on a 5.1 for example?
Yes, you mix in 7.1.4. Being able to hear the HEIGHTS is absolutely Fantastic.
@@mixedbyasharp could you in theory mix it on a 5.1 setup (temporarily untill I add to the speaker system)
@@ryanjordan8635 I'd use the headphones until the speakers are setup.
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Do you know anyone offering Dolby Atmos mixing tutorials online using Logic Pro X?
Coming very soon!
@@Producelikeapro oh yeah! Please make the tutorials visually clear for beginners like me:)
Fantastic
What I don't really get about this:
Why do we need to have yet another proprietary Dolby specially encoded type of surround protocol that only some manufacturers can/will license, so that people that want to experience it, are forced to buy certain sound systems.
I recently got an 18i20 as a base for a small home studio, it already has 10 dedicated outputs, so I can use 10 speakers to mix just like you, only I would have to look for a plugin that does speaker-to-room mapping and panning, which I'm pretty sure of that a few already are available.
Then, I can just do my own high resolution surround mix and anyone can enjoy it, if they have a setup that can drive multiples of individual speakers. It could be something as simple as a mogg file, or any other multitrack capable audio file type.
My point is, why does it have to be Dolby again, aren't there free, open-source type solutions available, that don't require the listener to buy some system that has a specific chip in it?
Do you think the benefit of plug-and-play with Atmos would outweigh the possibly bumpy but free open-source approach?
Thanks!
Currently, yes. The tech concept is not new but Dolby has over the years now defined a standard, a workflow. Simple deliverables that translate to many systems and easy to fold-down to other formats. I agree Dolby is a bit of a bitchy company when it comes to licensing (although they have dropped the required studio certificiation now, they might loosen up a bit) and I love DIY coming from a multidisciplinary art background but how are you going to deliver a multitrack file to any average consumer? DIY is great when you can showcase content yourself but the power of Atmos is more than just the sound.