The Army should have continued the adoption of the M8 in the 90s/ early 2000s. It’s crazy how just recently they had a competition to select a vehicle for the M8’s original role, and then they picked General Dynamic’s bid. It was mainly because the updated M8’s producer was being difficult to work with.
It, sadly, comes down to politics. The problem with US procurement is that the old system (i.e. BeuOrd and the like) showed themselves to be _extremely incompetent_ at best (BeuOrd and the Mk14, their attempts to get 20mm autocannon fitted into US aircraft, _the Iowa's guns_ to name a few). Add to this, the only way to get any weapon system is to, essentially, provide jobs to a district...
A big contributing factor was the end of the cold War. No USSR meant the need for a light tank was not really there, and GWOT refocused onto COIN which didn't really have any demand for armor. If it weren't for recent events we wouldn't even be seeing it now.
you can't rule out them trying to make unmanned tanks since the M8 proved a lot of the hardware would actually be viable for at least reasonably short range missions
I kind of like the idea of an electric light tank. There's something darkly humorous about a death machine becoming more environmentally friendly by having a hybrid electric engine.
@@92HazelMocha power density of fossil fuels really can't be beat though- at best it'd even out, but there's a reason electric cars have much shorter ranges than their smoky counterparts
@@patrickhector That's where hydrogen comes in. It's true batteries will never be anywhere as good at storing energy, but hydrogen fuel cells can get about 80% of the way there. Hybrid drive trains would still edge out full electric except for one very important thing; the fuel for hydrogen fuel cells can be produced in field by ambient atmosphere. You could have a fuel point that has a logisitcal chain less than 1/4 of what's needed now and fuel shortages in the field become basically non-existent. Granted this tech is in its infancy so we're probably talking 10+ years down the road, but imagine getting the range of a hybrid drive train without having to worry about fuel logistics.
@@92HazelMocha You'd be hard-pressed to find substantial hydrogen just floating around, unless you're talking about electrolysis- then you better make sure you're in a very humid area, or better yet have plenty of access to water. Not only that, you'll also need to bring a generator along to power the electrolysis, which means bringing along a bunch of very bulky solar panels/windmills.
To be honest, a light tank that can carry a small fire team actually sounds great for anti partisan / guerilla warfare. That room could also be used for fire support drones (both loitering munitions and bomblet styles), or even just a quad copter for additional scouting.
I think for anti guerilla warfare you'd want a lot of personal though, wouldnt you? 4 Soldiers would be very vulnerable and struggle to cover anything. A light tank also might be extreme vulnerable to AT rockets, which probably isnt great in anti insurgency missions.
@@tannerdenny5430 MAN-Portible-Air-Defence against a tank is....something i personally havent seen before ngl tho tbh you should be the opposite of terrified if said MANPAD is firing proxy and more so if your metaphorical armored vehicle has APS
A more modern version would have had probably the automatic loader behind the gun with blowout panels instead of under it, this would also free up space inside the vehicle. Nice video. I hope it will come to WT at some point.
Why? The m8 ags already had blow out pannels. Useing a bussel autoloader would only increase the volume of armour needed to protect the vehicle and thus increase weight, with no other advantage. A more modern version might use both autoloader types, sacrificing weight for increased useable ammo. But there is no reason to replace it completely unless you alo intend on reducing vehicle height, but that would also reduce gun depression putting greater reliance on adjustable suspensions to compensate. But we are basically talking about a completely different tank now.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The M8 doesn't have compartmentalized ready ammo and the hull ammo is only notionally separated. The real reason why they probably cant is for center of gravity reasons, its all ready a relatively tall, tippy vehicle, placing a bustle autoloader and most of the ammo up high is probably not feasible.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 a bustle autoloader has the advantage of being faster when loading the rounds into the gun compared to the system that is currently used but a revolver style is even faster.
I’ve always loved the sharp and sleek angles of US tanks in the 80’s - things like the HSTV-L and the XM8 had that look of the future and fit the overall aesthetic of the 1980’s. It’s a shame they were never to see production.
@@米空軍パイロット There are futuristic looking military equipment out there. It's just that the 80s look looked more put there in comparison; thought that seems to be changing with the fugly stealth ships that don't work.
@@bell3287 I meant it more jokingly. The 80s seems like peak time of science fiction and rapid advances in military and computer technology, all colored in neon lights with the sound of synthesizer music.
You should look up the ACEC cobra platform, a belgian electric tracked vehicle prototype, fitted with a multitude of armarments or build as an apc, it's ambifious and we have 2 of them in our museum (1 apc and 1 90mm)
I love the M8 but I thought the 120 was just a low recoil version of the one in the Abrams... I didn't realize it could have been up-gunned beyond even that.
I was TLAV driver in the CAF for a bit and I always wondered if rubber tracks could be scaled to larger vehicles like MBTs or heavier IFVs, we loved them and the track maintenance burden was very low compared to our leopard crews
Please do a video on the Tigerwolf Tank. It's become a fairly funny meme in some circles on how not to do a tank. I would honestly love a video on just breaking down the tank and what's wrong with it and what might be good about it. Edit: Oh god I just went and looked it back up again and remembered the ammunition that was stated. The main AT round is meant to be a rocket propelled Tank shell that can go Mach 6.
@@notvonbayern9202 Yeah, apparently the 140mm is able to fire SAM's? Like what the f is this? Even able to fire nuclear rounds. We have the unicorniest of all unicorn tanks to exist right here
@@bl1tzdevil30 Yep, to them the Abrams is awful and ever since the M60 America has barely fielded anything of quality. Ignoring that America fields some of the best equipment in the world. I remember also hearing that they want to save soldiers lives more, by having them use older and outdated technology. The only good thing to come out of them is the idea of a flying M113 with wings and all.
Reminds me of Space: Above and Beyond episode Pearly of all things. The had to stop multiple times for the Tanks/APCs batteries to recharge. While the show is full of 90's cheese and old sci-fi and war movie tropes, it's nice to find the idea of a electric armored fighting vehicle had at least one foot in hard science.
@@sgtmuffinbadger6147 We spent more on maintaining a styker over a 2 year period than the cost of buying a new one for every styrker in our battalion. Hate those things.
Can you imagine how hilarious I’m that tank would look if they somehow managed to fit the 140 mm variant of that gun into it? It already looks incredibly too heavy lol
I can definitely see that compartment in the back being useful. Could carry supplies, wounded troops, extra ammo, and dismounts as it was intended can also be very useful. Maybe you've got a guy with a Stinger and a guy with a Javelin back there. All of a sudden your light tank just became a MANPAD or an ATGM launcher without ever exposing the actual vehicle.
In today's world that crew compartment space could be swapped out for something like a single drone operator and a drone(s) or an extra battery among so many other things.
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Issues or not the M8 has always sounded like a VERY reasonable option for a light-weight air-deployable piece of armor. Its only major draw-back being its lack of armor for the initial drop, but the add-on armor packages of the original design supposedly make it resistant to some of the more common man-portable AT weapons like the RPG. I could see it working well in an initial contact scenario or ambushes, being fairly mobile and small would provide it some advantages compared to typical MBT's, but not in any real meaningful way beyond "small target".
Extra space in the back to carry a drone and operator for reconnaissance? Or a small team for support roles? Or extra ammunition, either for it or other vehicles and infantry? I don’t see many minuses yet.
@@Jebotito I haven't played ever since they merged servers, so i can't commend in which state it lies now but from what i can tell nobody plays that anymore.
I don't know how you can possibly claim that the US was the most experimental nation when it comes to prototypes. Maybe in NATO, but the Russians take the cake worldwide. They had a twin chassis casemate with the armor profile of a wedge of cheese. They had a heavy tank which was the most extreme version possible of the term "angled armor" and were the first nation to make a functional IFV. The Russian design philosophy has always been to take a concept, maybe two, push it to its absolute limit within the bounds of reality, then use that information to make something more practical
A light tank w a hybrid engine and a small tank troop compliment doesn’t sound terrible but I’m curious why this was never even picked up, at least in small numbers. I’m not sure how viable it would have been for say like being air dropped into a combat zone, but a light, maneuverable dedicated anti-armor platform for a small, expeditionary task force sounds like a niche role that could be exploited in smaller numbers. It’s a smart design all round tho. Super unique idea imo
The 120mm cannon cannot be used on the Stryker vehicle for one reason: recoil. The recoil is severe enough to damage the vehicle because of its low weight.
One common pattern I keep seeing with these rejected vehicles, is that seemingly the department of defense just wants them to be able to do anything and everything, and they want them to do it just as well as specialized platforms. So they want a jack of all trades master of all trades, that's cheap, and light, and powerful, and probably somehow still armoured while they're at it.
I've seen how electric cars "Cook-off" when the battery packs are punctured. As a tanker, I wouldn't exactly be thrilled on having another highly combustible thing aboard. You might be able to contain a fuel fire, but you're not containing a battery fire.
Consider trying out a 6.3 Japan lineup. The ST-A1 has some quirks but it gets heat and the Type 75 is actually very capable. Planes are decent too. Underated lineup
Effectiveness of the type 75 is blocked out by 6.7 due to most tanks somehow negating overpressure in my experience or I just got constantly gaijin'd. And for the sta1 just push to the type 61 because it genuinely better in every way.
while initially promising, the electric light tank was rejected when a flaw was discovered that made it turn to stone, when you are gone, it turned to stone
I'll explain it for those who don't know. In 2003, FMC made an electric (hybrid) variant of the M8 AGS light tank, and it worked quite well. I believe Thailand is using it as well. So keep crying, but if built correctly, even an electric tank can perform well.
"two electric motors, attached to the drive sprockets were placed on the front of the hull" is it similar to Porsche's attempt at a Petrol-Electric drivetrain (VK 45.01 P)? where there is a Petrol generator powering an electric motor that is mechanically linked to the sprocket? or is it more similar to modern hybrid systems?, where the IC engine is still mechanically linked and powering the drive sprockets, and an electric motor assists somewhere along the drive train (before or after the gearbox)
He stole the design from locomotives. It was perfectly sound even then. His problem was the same we face now: piss poor procurement more focused on politics than anything else. The insulation was what burnt on them, not the motors. There was insulation available then that would not have burnt.
Having the US diesel of the day would have been way better than wound up gasolines. Electrics have a lot that makes them finnicky and zappy. Trains have set rails and better conditions to live in. It's for the best the army did not have to work with a new thing breaking on a mass scale in the field. Engines wound up to the moon for generation drink the fuel. Compare H1 and Porsche Tiger; you notice the issue in range and speeds. They could have used the Porsche Tiger as concept of an ARV since the motors have linear power (just don't burn them out). Motors already run high for generating, so they can also run cranes if they planned ahead with my first statement.
Hey spookston I've got a video request. With the theme of this summers event could you do a video covering some leopard variations that could be added to warthunder?
I do wonder how effective an all electric or hybrid power pack could be in not only light tanks, but also MBTs as well considering the porsche tiger was able to have an electric transmission and still able to drag 50+ tons (albeit poorly reliability and weight wise) so I wonder how viable it is with proper transmission, motor and cooling technologies of today and I assume it could be effective especially considering most liquid fuels won't last forever and could be especially effective in drone tanks, either as an MBT like design with thick composites and a big gun or a more light chassis which could have interchangeable weapons on the field from cannons, small auto cannons, AT missiles, AA missiles, bombs/charges (like the goliath), or simple infantry hunting remotly controlled sentries with machineguns.
On paper its fantastic, transmissions for electric motors are much simpler, easier to maintain, and generally smaller. However it'll be awhile before we start to see them take over. Iirc the next upgrade for the Bradley includes a hybrid power-pack for these reasons, but that's probably a few years away.
I'd have an idea for a funny/interesting video. How about you'd "compose" a tank you'd like based on existing parts. Lets say this gun, the chassis from that tank, optics this. Of course its completely useless, but interesting and funny it would be especially with your knowledge of prototypes
Here's an example type 16 with Rhein L55 cannon, slat armour and 20mm gun station like the leo2k. It would be a pretty cool mobility at vehicle. I'm gona wait for the "but that's just a striker with a turret" it's better than a striker because it's "defense force fuck it" swag also 4 cylinder mitsubishi rally heritage.
Might make a good robotic tank test bed because it looks like a death trap if manned. Simply where are the modern armor and countermeasures? So if we need a semi-autonomous robotic tank this might be a solution with updates added of course. Maybe room for a soldier or two if need be.
A tank like this is perfect for the war the US fought in Iraq and the general war on terror when you need armor after the inital war being won. But using this on the front I don't think is such a great idea. Now for poorer countries this is a great alternative to modern tanks.
as an idea this is probably too advanced for 2003 but, if in use today, i bet that the free space where the power pack was would be used as a drone station, either for recon drones or suicide drones -- similar to how modern concept tanks are looking to incorporate this to the commander. maybe a bit strange as its separated off from the rest of the tank so whoever works in the back is on their own but still, could have been a great way to increase the lethality of a tank like this well ahead of what the rest of the world could do
Way.... back when, I didn't reenlist because my packet to reclass as an M-8 mechanic (Airborne school!) was nixed when they cancelled the program. Almost 30 yrs later... they are reinventing the wheel. Again. For by my count, the 3rd or 4th time...
Man ETC guns seem like a very logical step up in firepower. Especially given that a gun exist that capable of being a 120, 140 or an ETC. With how nations are wanting to upgun to defeat tougher armor you would think a (much) higher muzzle energy ETC 120 would be the way to go over larger, heavier 130mm or 140mm conventional guns and their ammo. Let alone the fact that ETCs can use inert propellants therby literally eliminating ammo racks as a survivability concern.
The muzzle velocity out of a 120mm just wouldn't be enough, at least not without blowing the chamber due to pressure. Take the new Panther for example, its a 130mm, but has a 30-40 increase in pressure and its penetration isn't seen as overkill. As for the new French 140mm, they specifically wanted to have lower pressures so they could use telescoped ammunition, which allows it to carry as much 140mm as a current tank carries 120mm.
@@92HazelMocha What ETC brings to the table is a plasma ignition system for the propellant. This results in a smoother burn of the material as it goes down the barrel. Meaning it has lower impulse (Recoil) and higher muzzle energy. I've seen figures showing an ETC 120mm cannon can have 25Mj of muzzle energy higher than even an 140mm conventional gun.
Part of me would like to see an updated Strv 103 with a hybrid powerplant, stabilized high-velocity rapid firing cannon (ala XM274), low-profile remote HMG or light autocannon, modern optics, networking, and some of the AI management that the Israelis are working on. Not practical but I wonder if Sweden really scrapped them all; with Russia being aggressive it might be economical to update them if they're still around.
Could you talk about some Russian prototype vehicles like the T-80UM2, that’d probably make for a pretty interesting video since not a whole lot of people know about it.
You ever reckon they research shit and shelve it just in case ? Like we have the m1 now and thats good enough. But it it wasn’t in a conflict. There seems to be a dozen potential replacements, depending on this and that
The Army should have continued the adoption of the M8 in the 90s/ early 2000s. It’s crazy how just recently they had a competition to select a vehicle for the M8’s original role, and then they picked General Dynamic’s bid. It was mainly because the updated M8’s producer was being difficult to work with.
It, sadly, comes down to politics. The problem with US procurement is that the old system (i.e. BeuOrd and the like) showed themselves to be _extremely incompetent_ at best (BeuOrd and the Mk14, their attempts to get 20mm autocannon fitted into US aircraft, _the Iowa's guns_ to name a few). Add to this, the only way to get any weapon system is to, essentially, provide jobs to a district...
A big contributing factor was the end of the cold War. No USSR meant the need for a light tank was not really there, and GWOT refocused onto COIN which didn't really have any demand for armor. If it weren't for recent events we wouldn't even be seeing it now.
you can't rule out them trying to make unmanned tanks since the M8 proved a lot of the hardware would actually be viable for at least reasonably short range missions
@Rondole Dingle you would be surprised. Remember, you have to include things like setting up factories in certain districts in those.
@Rondole Dingle its amazing you can manage to be late delivering something thats 90% built already.
I kind of like the idea of an electric light tank. There's something darkly humorous about a death machine becoming more environmentally friendly by having a hybrid electric engine.
It would also be interested to see how viable hydrogen could be as a tank fuel
@@sluin Would probably extend the range by another 50%. Electric motors are dramatically more efficient than combustion ones.
@@92HazelMocha power density of fossil fuels really can't be beat though- at best it'd even out, but there's a reason electric cars have much shorter ranges than their smoky counterparts
@@patrickhector That's where hydrogen comes in. It's true batteries will never be anywhere as good at storing energy, but hydrogen fuel cells can get about 80% of the way there. Hybrid drive trains would still edge out full electric except for one very important thing; the fuel for hydrogen fuel cells can be produced in field by ambient atmosphere. You could have a fuel point that has a logisitcal chain less than 1/4 of what's needed now and fuel shortages in the field become basically non-existent. Granted this tech is in its infancy so we're probably talking 10+ years down the road, but imagine getting the range of a hybrid drive train without having to worry about fuel logistics.
@@92HazelMocha You'd be hard-pressed to find substantial hydrogen just floating around, unless you're talking about electrolysis- then you better make sure you're in a very humid area, or better yet have plenty of access to water. Not only that, you'll also need to bring a generator along to power the electrolysis, which means bringing along a bunch of very bulky solar panels/windmills.
To be honest, a light tank that can carry a small fire team actually sounds great for anti partisan / guerilla warfare. That room could also be used for fire support drones (both loitering munitions and bomblet styles), or even just a quad copter for additional scouting.
ture but such ideas only appeared quite recently
I think for anti guerilla warfare you'd want a lot of personal though, wouldnt you? 4 Soldiers would be very vulnerable and struggle to cover anything. A light tank also might be extreme vulnerable to AT rockets, which probably isnt great in anti insurgency missions.
Id be so terrified to be in an armored vehicle with manpads so prevalent
@@tannerdenny5430 manpads are anti air
@@tannerdenny5430 MAN-Portible-Air-Defence against a tank is....something i personally havent seen before ngl
tho tbh you should be the opposite of terrified if said MANPAD is firing proxy and more so if your metaphorical armored vehicle has APS
A more modern version would have had probably the automatic loader behind the gun with blowout panels instead of under it, this would also free up space inside the vehicle. Nice video. I hope it will come to WT at some point.
AMX-13?
@@obsidianjane4413 would be more like a smaller leclerc
Why? The m8 ags already had blow out pannels.
Useing a bussel autoloader would only increase the volume of armour needed to protect the vehicle and thus increase weight, with no other advantage. A more modern version might use both autoloader types, sacrificing weight for increased useable ammo. But there is no reason to replace it completely unless you alo intend on reducing vehicle height, but that would also reduce gun depression putting greater reliance on adjustable suspensions to compensate. But we are basically talking about a completely different tank now.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The M8 doesn't have compartmentalized ready ammo and the hull ammo is only notionally separated.
The real reason why they probably cant is for center of gravity reasons, its all ready a relatively tall, tippy vehicle, placing a bustle autoloader and most of the ammo up high is probably not feasible.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 a bustle autoloader has the advantage of being faster when loading the rounds into the gun compared to the system that is currently used but a revolver style is even faster.
I’ve always loved the sharp and sleek angles of US tanks in the 80’s - things like the HSTV-L and the XM8 had that look of the future and fit the overall aesthetic of the 1980’s. It’s a shame they were never to see production.
Let's be honest. We will never be more futuristic than the 80s
@@米空軍パイロット There are futuristic looking military equipment out there. It's just that the 80s look looked more put there in comparison; thought that seems to be changing with the fugly stealth ships that don't work.
@@bell3287 I meant it more jokingly. The 80s seems like peak time of science fiction and rapid advances in military and computer technology, all colored in neon lights with the sound of synthesizer music.
The same goes for lots of cars in that era. The idea of producing a true 21st century this-or-that was strange but a positive advancement all around.
@@米空軍パイロット yes because german scientist goes everywhere now 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You should look up the ACEC cobra platform, a belgian electric tracked vehicle prototype, fitted with a multitude of armarments or build as an apc, it's ambifious and we have 2 of them in our museum (1 apc and 1 90mm)
Spookston not mentioning the HSTV-L in a modern US tank video? Whaaaatt????!?!?!?!
It would be pretty funny a years down the line to just have all the failed m8 tanks as event vehicles after gaijin starts running out of basic stuff
TEC said they might resort to some paper vehicles once they start running out. I'm hoping for the J7W2 and O-I if they go that route
@@presidentirinavladimirovna7054 the O-I was actually constructed tho, they tested it, then scrapped it and now only a track link remains.
*and the theoretical M8 greyhound with the automatic 37 off the P-39 aswell.
I love the M8 but I thought the 120 was just a low recoil version of the one in the Abrams... I didn't realize it could have been up-gunned beyond even that.
2:45 that hybrid electric demonstrator armored personal carrier looks straight out a future-set military war game
I'd love to see the Thunderbolt/Lightningbolt and 120 AGS in game TBH. Would do nicely for some top-tier light tanks for America.
Impressive, yet another American Experimental Tank, I like your dedication
spookton trying not to talk about american light tank program ( imposible)
I was TLAV driver in the CAF for a bit and I always wondered if rubber tracks could be scaled to larger vehicles like MBTs or heavier IFVs, we loved them and the track maintenance burden was very low compared to our leopard crews
Here’s the question, was anyone ever crazy enough to do the 140mm caliber conversation on Thunderbolt?
Please do a video on the Tigerwolf Tank. It's become a fairly funny meme in some circles on how not to do a tank. I would honestly love a video on just breaking down the tank and what's wrong with it and what might be good about it.
Edit: Oh god I just went and looked it back up again and remembered the ammunition that was stated. The main AT round is meant to be a rocket propelled Tank shell that can go Mach 6.
And that ignores the fact that the gun is ludicriously large already.
@@notvonbayern9202 Yeah, apparently the 140mm is able to fire SAM's? Like what the f is this? Even able to fire nuclear rounds. We have the unicorniest of all unicorn tanks to exist right here
Wasn't that shit designed by a Reformer? Also Fullerine armor. Nough said
@@bl1tzdevil30 Yep, to them the Abrams is awful and ever since the M60 America has barely fielded anything of quality. Ignoring that America fields some of the best equipment in the world.
I remember also hearing that they want to save soldiers lives more, by having them use older and outdated technology.
The only good thing to come out of them is the idea of a flying M113 with wings and all.
@@homefront1999 just looked it up and saw the ammo it fired. Currently heading towards nearest hospital, I had a severe aneurysm.
Makes me sad I missed the even M8, but at least now I know the U.S will probably get even better versions in the TT.
Reminds me of Space: Above and Beyond episode Pearly of all things. The had to stop multiple times for the Tanks/APCs batteries to recharge. While the show is full of 90's cheese and old sci-fi and war movie tropes, it's nice to find the idea of a electric armored fighting vehicle had at least one foot in hard science.
1:37 dope and smooth transition 😬
I actually love the Stryker, no cap. Both the infantry and MGS version, there’s something about it that I like, but I don’t know…
@@umeroff9482 You can like the f-15 without having ever flown an f-15. What kind of logic is this lmao.
@Andrew Wiggins that Stryker heater is clutch in the winter, specially if it's a CV with 4(!!!)
1-1 4-17 has entered the chat. Those things are garbage man. Always breaking and most of the time the range finder is broken
MGS was the only good stryker variant. I'll die on that hill.
@@sgtmuffinbadger6147 We spent more on maintaining a styker over a 2 year period than the cost of buying a new one for every styrker in our battalion. Hate those things.
I think this decade we are going to see some serious electric AFV's from many countries.
Can you imagine how hilarious I’m that tank would look if they somehow managed to fit the 140 mm variant of that gun into it? It already looks incredibly too heavy lol
Ah yes, Electricity. The infinite renewable, emission free resource that comes from the wall.
I am all ways excited to the talking furry upload
I can definitely see that compartment in the back being useful. Could carry supplies, wounded troops, extra ammo, and dismounts as it was intended can also be very useful. Maybe you've got a guy with a Stinger and a guy with a Javelin back there. All of a sudden your light tank just became a MANPAD or an ATGM launcher without ever exposing the actual vehicle.
Wow, you really didn’t mention the hstv-l in this video, you’r making
progress!!!😆
In today's world that crew compartment space could be swapped out for something like a single drone operator and a drone(s) or an extra battery among so many other things.
it's about damn time someone mentions the fact that it was used for testing an ETC cannon, M8 still has untapped potential.
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@@05Matz done, was tempted to label it as promoting terrorism but that would be totally too realistic
no one:
me:noticing the subnautica musik in the background.
Issues or not the M8 has always sounded like a VERY reasonable option for a light-weight air-deployable piece of armor. Its only major draw-back being its lack of armor for the initial drop, but the add-on armor packages of the original design supposedly make it resistant to some of the more common man-portable AT weapons like the RPG. I could see it working well in an initial contact scenario or ambushes, being fairly mobile and small would provide it some advantages compared to typical MBT's, but not in any real meaningful way beyond "small target".
Babe wake up spookston uploaded a new video
1:35 The perfect transition
Extra space in the back to carry a drone and operator for reconnaissance? Or a small team for support roles? Or extra ammunition, either for it or other vehicles and infantry? I don’t see many minuses yet.
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My favorite tank in AW, hands down.
Aw still exists? Loved the concept and was super sad when it took over 10 min to get a game...
@@Jebotito I haven't played ever since they merged servers, so i can't commend in which state it lies now but from what i can tell nobody plays that anymore.
I don't know how you can possibly claim that the US was the most experimental nation when it comes to prototypes. Maybe in NATO, but the Russians take the cake worldwide. They had a twin chassis casemate with the armor profile of a wedge of cheese. They had a heavy tank which was the most extreme version possible of the term "angled armor" and were the first nation to make a functional IFV. The Russian design philosophy has always been to take a concept, maybe two, push it to its absolute limit within the bounds of reality, then use that information to make something more practical
Most experimental (in the 90's after the soviet collapse)*
I like this tonk. It's adorable.
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Same.
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I enjoy the later vehicle content. Also your overall content is very good hope you reach 200k subs. :)
this tank really proves the viability of the hardware needed to have unmanned drone tanks I'm not sure if it's cool or scary though
That is the next evolution. GUCVs will be of the scale of the M8/ light tank because you don't have to protect the meat anymore.
great video spookston keep up the great content!
a hybrid tank with an ETC gun seems like a no brainer to me
Ags with 4 man troop capacity sounds like a potential adission to or replacment for the m3 Bradley in American armoured recon/cavalry.
A light tank w a hybrid engine and a small tank troop compliment doesn’t sound terrible but I’m curious why this was never even picked up, at least in small numbers. I’m not sure how viable it would have been for say like being air dropped into a combat zone, but a light, maneuverable dedicated anti-armor platform for a small, expeditionary task force sounds like a niche role that could be exploited in smaller numbers. It’s a smart design all round tho. Super unique idea imo
Sooo you're telling me we could have a tech tree version of XM8? wicked.
Please do a video on the pros and cons on an all-electric drive tank.
The 120mm cannon cannot be used on the Stryker vehicle for one reason: recoil. The recoil is severe enough to damage the vehicle because of its low weight.
One common pattern I keep seeing with these rejected vehicles, is that seemingly the department of defense just wants them to be able to do anything and everything, and they want them to do it just as well as specialized platforms. So they want a jack of all trades master of all trades, that's cheap, and light, and powerful, and probably somehow still armoured while they're at it.
I love the M8 and FMC/United Defense, shame the lil M8 never got a chance to shine.
I've seen how electric cars "Cook-off" when the battery packs are punctured. As a tanker, I wouldn't exactly be thrilled on having another highly combustible thing aboard. You might be able to contain a fuel fire, but you're not containing a battery fire.
Can you do a review or your opinion on the YMT-05 hildolfr form gundam?
And maybe the Guntank or Loto
Magella Tank would be pretty funny since the weak point is pretty obvious.
Consider trying out a 6.3 Japan lineup. The ST-A1 has some quirks but it gets heat and the Type 75 is actually very capable. Planes are decent too. Underated lineup
Effectiveness of the type 75 is blocked out by 6.7 due to most tanks somehow negating overpressure in my experience or I just got constantly gaijin'd. And for the sta1 just push to the type 61 because it genuinely better in every way.
while initially promising, the electric light tank was rejected when a flaw was discovered that made it turn to stone, when you are gone, it turned to stone
light tank, spookston video. I am clicking
i reckon tanks will soon become hybrid
I'll explain it for those who don't know. In 2003, FMC made an electric (hybrid) variant of the M8 AGS light tank, and it worked quite well. I believe Thailand is using it as well. So keep crying, but if built correctly, even an electric tank can perform well.
i was JUST wondering about electric tanks. it would make a great meme and here we are
I legit read Eletric Light Orchestra.
Will the “everything wrong with: “ series ever be coming back?
Logistic for electricity would be interesting.
It would still use the logistics for diesel. Why use a vulnerable network of power lines when you could use the generator already built right in?
3:51 - lacrimosa starts playing
When you haven't been paying attention of what he is saying and just watching the gameplay
"two electric motors, attached to the drive sprockets were placed on the front of the hull"
is it similar to Porsche's attempt at a Petrol-Electric drivetrain (VK 45.01 P)?
where there is a Petrol generator powering an electric motor that is mechanically linked to the sprocket?
or is it more similar to modern hybrid systems?,
where the IC engine is still mechanically linked and powering the drive sprockets, and an electric motor assists somewhere along the drive train (before or after the gearbox)
its a fully electric battery powered system charged by diesel engine. i dont think, but dont know, that the engine also contributes
@@Blox117 so it is very much a modern hybrid system, with the IC engine acting more as a range extender.
so .... Porshe was on to something with his hybrid engine when designing a tiger. he only needed to make it less fiery i guess
He stole the design from locomotives. It was perfectly sound even then. His problem was the same we face now: piss poor procurement more focused on politics than anything else.
The insulation was what burnt on them, not the motors. There was insulation available then that would not have burnt.
Having the US diesel of the day would have been way better than wound up gasolines. Electrics have a lot that makes them finnicky and zappy. Trains have set rails and better conditions to live in. It's for the best the army did not have to work with a new thing breaking on a mass scale in the field. Engines wound up to the moon for generation drink the fuel. Compare H1 and Porsche Tiger; you notice the issue in range and speeds. They could have used the Porsche Tiger as concept of an ARV since the motors have linear power (just don't burn them out). Motors already run high for generating, so they can also run cranes if they planned ahead with my first statement.
That would be kinda cool in warthunder, if you could turn off engine and run the tank on a slightly longer battery timer
i knew we'd do something like this
Hey spookston I've got a video request. With the theme of this summers event could you do a video covering some leopard variations that could be added to warthunder?
I liked the ERA eating APDS lol love WT
This is sick
I do wonder how effective an all electric or hybrid power pack could be in not only light tanks, but also MBTs as well considering the porsche tiger was able to have an electric transmission and still able to drag 50+ tons (albeit poorly reliability and weight wise) so I wonder how viable it is with proper transmission, motor and cooling technologies of today and I assume it could be effective especially considering most liquid fuels won't last forever and could be especially effective in drone tanks, either as an MBT like design with thick composites and a big gun or a more light chassis which could have interchangeable weapons on the field from cannons, small auto cannons, AT missiles, AA missiles, bombs/charges (like the goliath), or simple infantry hunting remotly controlled sentries with machineguns.
On paper its fantastic, transmissions for electric motors are much simpler, easier to maintain, and generally smaller. However it'll be awhile before we start to see them take over. Iirc the next upgrade for the Bradley includes a hybrid power-pack for these reasons, but that's probably a few years away.
its superior. we could drive the tracks directly instead of needing shitty gears to do it
Didn’t the Stryker use a revolver system to load shells?
Does use*
I'd have an idea for a funny/interesting video.
How about you'd "compose" a tank you'd like based on existing parts.
Lets say this gun, the chassis from that tank, optics this.
Of course its completely useless, but interesting and funny it would be especially with your knowledge of prototypes
Here's an example type 16 with Rhein L55 cannon, slat armour and 20mm gun station like the leo2k.
It would be a pretty cool mobility at vehicle.
I'm gona wait for the "but that's just a striker with a turret" it's better than a striker because it's "defense force fuck it" swag also 4 cylinder mitsubishi rally heritage.
Spookston trying not to talk about American prototype Cold War tanks:
*IMPOSSIBLE*
Man they just couldnt get this tank sold no matter how much they improved it.
Might make a good robotic tank test bed because it looks like a death trap if manned. Simply where are the modern armor and countermeasures? So if we need a semi-autonomous robotic tank this might be a solution with updates added of course. Maybe room for a soldier or two if need be.
A tank like this is perfect for the war the US fought in Iraq and the general war on terror when you need armor after the inital war being won. But using this on the front I don't think is such a great idea. Now for poorer countries this is a great alternative to modern tanks.
as an idea this is probably too advanced for 2003 but, if in use today, i bet that the free space where the power pack was would be used as a drone station, either for recon drones or suicide drones -- similar to how modern concept tanks are looking to incorporate this to the commander. maybe a bit strange as its separated off from the rest of the tank so whoever works in the back is on their own but still, could have been a great way to increase the lethality of a tank like this well ahead of what the rest of the world could do
The future is electric. Or at least hybrid, for the militaries.
Way.... back when, I didn't reenlist because my packet to reclass as an M-8 mechanic (Airborne school!) was nixed when they cancelled the program.
Almost 30 yrs later... they are reinventing the wheel. Again. For by my count, the 3rd or 4th time...
an electric tank would be a cool event vehicle
Spookston trying not to talk about another random light tank program
3:50 So someone created an actual Predator Tank from 40K...
Man ETC guns seem like a very logical step up in firepower. Especially given that a gun exist that capable of being a 120, 140 or an ETC.
With how nations are wanting to upgun to defeat tougher armor you would think a (much) higher muzzle energy ETC 120 would be the way to go over larger, heavier 130mm or 140mm conventional guns and their ammo.
Let alone the fact that ETCs can use inert propellants therby literally eliminating ammo racks as a survivability concern.
The muzzle velocity out of a 120mm just wouldn't be enough, at least not without blowing the chamber due to pressure. Take the new Panther for example, its a 130mm, but has a 30-40 increase in pressure and its penetration isn't seen as overkill. As for the new French 140mm, they specifically wanted to have lower pressures so they could use telescoped ammunition, which allows it to carry as much 140mm as a current tank carries 120mm.
@@92HazelMocha What ETC brings to the table is a plasma ignition system for the propellant. This results in a smoother burn of the material as it goes down the barrel.
Meaning it has lower impulse (Recoil) and higher muzzle energy. I've seen figures showing an ETC 120mm cannon can have 25Mj of muzzle energy higher than even an 140mm conventional gun.
I would like to See the Radkampfwagen 90
I want this and the Stingray
Part of me would like to see an updated Strv 103 with a hybrid powerplant, stabilized high-velocity rapid firing cannon (ala XM274), low-profile remote HMG or light autocannon, modern optics, networking, and some of the AI management that the Israelis are working on. Not practical but I wonder if Sweden really scrapped them all; with Russia being aggressive it might be economical to update them if they're still around.
A vid might be good on the churchill mk4 north africa, since that was a bit diffrent churchill
Another great vehicle for war thunder
Could you talk about some Russian prototype vehicles like the T-80UM2, that’d probably make for a pretty interesting video since not a whole lot of people know about it.
love your vids keep it going
@1:23 Turms eats a sideshot with ERA that has no kinetic protection. Literal clown circus.
handheld
Russia will bias...
1:25 KEEEEEEK
"Pikachu! Use Thunderbolt!"
in the year 2222 were gona have nuclear tanks in warthunder gaijin plz add we are all gona be dead before the update
Spookston try not to mention HSTV-L challenge (impossible) (check the description)
You ever reckon they research shit and shelve it just in case ? Like we have the m1 now and thats good enough. But it it wasn’t in a conflict. There seems to be a dozen potential replacements, depending on this and that
can you do a vid on the Russin bmp line of tanks plz
ELO for tankies.
how do you feel about The Ripsaw unmanned ground combat vehicles?
electric tank.
bringing you freedom, quietly and better for the environment
As opposed to Electric Light Orchestra?
Talk about the ripsaw m5